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  1. “Make no distinction between terrorists and the nations that harbor them–and hold both to account.”
  2. “Take the fight to the enemy overseas before they can attack us again here at home.”
  3. “Confront threats before they fully materialize.”
  4. “Advance liberty and hope as an alternative to the enemy’s ideology of repression and fear.”

Plain and simple.

CaliphateThe world is at war.  You may not like it, you may not accept it, that doesn’t stop it from being true.  Every Nation that considers itself part of the “West” are targets that will be attacked.  They will not be attacked at first by Air or Sea, instead they will be attacked internally by people that believe dying in the act of killing others is the greatest honor.

Our governments sit paralyzed as we watch the fire spread.  Not one will act with the appropriate actions as they are highlighted above until blood is flowing in our streets. The last 6 years have been spent, doing the wrong actions militarily, diplomatically, and on every strategic front.

We are witnessing the results of these policies in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, and even the Ukraine.  The threat exemplified in Ukraine is different than the immediate threat from the Islamic Horde it is however a direct result of the inept policies of the past 6 years.

If you do not see the threat, if you blame Governments of the West for the threat due to anything other than inaction YOU are part of the problem.  People in each of our Nations are about to die, and it’s not by the hands of our own governments, the Military Industrial Complex, or the multitude of other theories we hear from lunatics.

We are about to be attacked by a highly motivated enemy that believes they can bring their Messiah to life by shedding our blood.

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94 thoughts on “What should be done

  1. The threat exemplified in Ukraine is different than the immediate threat from the Islamic Horde it is however a direct result of the inept policies of the past 6 years.

    What on earth are you going on about?

  2. Troll

    It is not about to happen. There will be the occasional attack but we will easily cope with it. Our streets are not about to run with rivers of blood.

  3. I think that much of this concern is justified.

    Pay very close attention to your internal enemy that you have imported. And the French and Irish and German so called citizens, etc

    Also the converts to the Religion of Terror who are attracted to it in these years after 2001.

    This is a very legitimate concern

  4. Phantom

    Here in the UK we have had a large Muslim population for decades. I remember back in about 1989 during the fuss over Salman Rushdie’s ‘The Satanic Verses’ and there was apocalyptic reports in the press that enraged Muslims would turn our streets into fireballs. It didn’t happen and bear in mind 9/11 was 13 years ago yet how many Muslim inspired terror attacks have their been on our streets. The IRA were able to carry out more attacks in a month at the height of the troubles than Islamofanatics have managed in over a decade.

    yes it’s a problem that needs to be kept an eye on but its not like a trembling volcano.

  5. I hope that you are correct

    I think that the only reason that you have not had many more major atrocities, esp in places like London and New York has been because the very dedicated work of the FBI, CIA, MI5. NYPD, French intelligence, etc – done by men and women who the know nothings despise.

    Much of their work is unreported, by necessity.

    This is our world.

  6. Ukraine is a completely different matter than the threat of militant Islam.

    And its in a part of the world where western options are very limited.

  7. Phantom – it has been shown by contributors to this site that most of the ‘threats’ were created by the home-based TLAs (three-letter agencies). Would you like the exercise to be repeated?

  8. Phantom

    No doubt there is a lot of truth to that, but I also think there just aren’t the numbers of fanatics willing to engage in terrorism as suggested. In a world where millions get on buses and trains and in an out of public buildings every day it would be the easiest thing for someone to take a bomb into such places yet it rarely happens. Not even the best security services can protect every street in every town and every mode of transport every day . No we shouldn’t be complacent but we don’t have to think that civil war is about to hit us either.

  9. The world isn’t at war, it’s more peaceful than it has ever been in the past.

    We have to be wary of those like Isis and Russia that seek to change it but they aren’t comparable to say Nazi Germany which was probably the second most powerful country in the world at the beginning of WW2.

  10. We have to be wary of those like Isis and Russia …

    What?

    Who has Russia invaded recently? Which terrorists has it funded and armed? (Careful, rvidence would be required.) How many military bases does Russia have beyond its border?

    Strewth, against Russia’s better judgement Washington funded and armed ISIS, and now it’s being lumped in with McCain’s erstwhile Syrian chums!

  11. Phantom is making good sense, and showing that he has more insight into reality than any of you.

  12. THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.

    But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.

  13. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/12/newburgh-four-fbi-entrapment-terror

    Prosecutors painted them as America-hating terrorists bent on slaughter. All four followed the instructions of Hussain, who meticulously organised the scheme: from getting the missile and bombs, to reconnaissance missions, to teaching the tenets of radical Islam.

    The “Newburgh Four” now languish in jail. Hussain does not. For Hussain was a fake. In fact, Hussain worked for the FBI as an informant trawling mosques in hope of picking up radicals.

    Yet far from being active militants, the four men he attracted were impoverished individuals struggling with Newburgh’s grim epidemic of crack, drug crime and poverty. One had mental issues so severe his apartment contained bottles of his own urine. He also believed Florida was a foreign country.

  14. How many military bases does Russia have beyond its border?

    I asked that on another related thread. Needless to say, I have had no response. Perhaps the goons can do a bit better here.

  15. Ross – I don’t watch/read/follow the MSM. Which countries has Russia invaded recently?

  16. Russia doesn’t have that many bases in other countries because unlike the USA few foreign countries eould invite them in. Russia does have some bases in other countries, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova but they aren’t the welcome guests of the host nations but rather a violent imposition.

  17. Ross – I’m sure that Guantanamo is welcomed by Cuba, a product of corporate imperialism which should have been abrogated. As for Russia’s bases in Ukraine, there are none. Crimea was and is once again part of Russia by the consent of Crimeans. No invasion needed; no compulsion, no imposition.

  18. It seems that the inane witterings of panic-stricken Chuck Hagel has got through to some folks..

  19. Bernard – I agree !

    Alan & others:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/cold-war-proporaganda-russias-secret-military-bases-in-the-western-hemisphere/5377690


    A Simple Plan, for simple people.

    1) Define Terrorist first. When you have, and when you consider that the actions of a State to be terrorist in nature, are so sure that, when looking in the mirror, you do not see, looking strait back at you, a terrorist ?

    2) Who is the enemy. And by all accounts, they live amongst us, so we do not have far to go to fight them.

    3) Crystal balls do not work. Sorry to disappoint you.

    4) I confess that this made me chuckle. You do realise the who point of this, “War on terror”, is used just to deprive you of that which you wish ?

    There is, and always will be, conflict and strife in the world. Terrorism is nothing new. It has been with us longer than most can remember in one form or another. Be it political or religious, or even down to some lone-wolf fruitcake (eg pipe / uni-bomber).

    You cannot defeat it, or rid yourself of it. A bit like disease.

    What is important, is a measured and proportional response. ISIL / ISIS / IS / (whatever) when attacked, will simply melt away. Will they be gone ? No !

    The solution, is not to create situations in the first place. Leave these people alone ! Let them live they way in which they wish to live. Do not try to IMPOSE your so called values and way of life upon them. They do not want to be like us, they see us as immoral and unworthy.

    They cannot, will not, and do not wish to assimilate into our way of life (see above).

    The problem is not weak leaders* (sic), the problem is bought politicians. Bought with MENA oil money. And we vote for such detritus.

    * They are NOT leaders. They are PUBLIC SERVANTS. ie They work for YOU !!!

    Never forget that !

  20. Troll

    On this matter both you and Phantom are alarmist, although you are to a much greater extent. Perhaps it is part of a general American tendency to overhype the terror threat, but Mark B is right, terrorism has always existed and will always be a problem but it isn’t a threat to our existence. We can deal with the occasional attacks and that is all they will be. You have constantly predicted APOCALYPSE NOW ever since 9/11 and it aint happened yet.

  21. You can call it inane witterings of panic if that is what you choose. I disagree. In the past 3 months IZZY has achieved more than any other terror group. It has done so through sheer brutality. They are ambitious, they are led by educated men, and have a good supply of educated men in their ranks.

    Men from Britain, France, the US, people with multiple nationalities. They have achieved a lot of territory by constantly advancing. If you don’t think there are cells here and in the UK your deluding yourself.

    Colm is right the animals of the IRA/SF did more attacks in NI and GB in a month than these animals have in 13 years. For 8 of those 13yrs they were being hammered and on the run they really couldn’t concentrate on anything other than their survival.

    Then they stopped being hounded and the Arab Spring took place. They were left free in Syria to organize, train, become battle ready, and then they were supplied with Arms and money.

    Now they are advancing, they have established a caliphate. They have openly declared war on the US. We have had between 2-3 million people cross into our nation illegally from our southern border. Once you are in the US no one really questions you, no one asks for proof of who you are unless you are applying for a job or are arrested.

    We are also a society that goes out of it’s way not to harass Muslims internally. Given the advances of IZZY in the last year, our vulnerability, and the repeated statements that they are going to attack us, it’s inevitable.

    You also have to look at the signals the US government are sending out internally. The Obama administration has declared there is no war on terror, they have claimed that they have defeated and defused any threat.

    However 2 weeks ago internal security went into the red. The FBI and DHS sent out warnings to Local Police to go on high alert. This week an administration that brags that there is no terrorist threat, and that has gone to great lengths to keep quite about internal terror activities came out publicly and said a threat is imminent. Not just Hagel. All week the administration has sent out talking heads former CIA, former FBI etc on to all the news channels saying some kind of warning. They are covering their asses.

    I hope like with so many things this group of gits have read this wrong. Given though the bold moves of IZZY and how little really has been done to push back against them I think they are not only going to strike, but by the panic being displayed by the administration and it is they who are panicking. I think the administration found out about something and are scrambling to prevent it and covering their asses in case they can’t.

  22. Troll

    Do you want to see a ground invasion of IS areas by US troops. Do you think the situation merits a full scale ground force lead invasion and occupation of those areas by American forces ?

  23. your right Colm it hasn’t happened, and I am glad. You say that terrorism has always existed and in the rest of the world it has.

    There is a cultural difference. It has not existed in the US. We are used to criminals, and the violence that comes along with that. It is predictable and localized. You really are in no danger except maybe of theft in being involved in any unless you choose to dabble in drugs or go into the concentrated areas where crime is a problem.

    Even when I lived in Philly I never worried about being a victim of crime and I spent time in areas that where very high crime districts.

    Terrorism has not existed in the US. It is a tactic that our culture does not accept. Where the Brits accepted it from the Irish if the Troubles had happened here it would have been handled differently.

    It will only take a few random acts of terror occurring inside the US to cause a re-mobilization of our forces to go and destroy another region of the globe.

    Terror is probably one of the only things that all Americans will not accept taking place internally. No matter the party someone belongs to, what race they are all that will mean nothing after the first Jihadi self destructs in a mall.

  24. we don’t need ground forces to defeat and disassemble this group. Heavy air strikes and drone strikes will do it.

    We can concentrate enough damage with out ever stepping foot in country.

  25. It is not overhyping to point out a threat and to try to be prepared.

    They’re saying that they are coming to the west and/or that they are already here – what do you propose to do – watch Man U reruns?

  26. Phantom I believe this is one of those instances where even though they are basically the same as us, the attitude on this subject is completely American and they don’t understand it.

  27. But before any of those things are done surely the impending war with Iran over its evil plans to nuke Israel which never happened you have been predicting up until a few months ago needs to be fought?

  28. No I don’t say do nothing. I already gave my view on another thread that ‘Britons’ who join Jihadi groups should be permanently prevented from ever being allowed to live in the UK again – a proposal that Noel thought was dictatorial and impossible – and I am not soft on how terrorist activity or support should be dealt with, but I just don’t see it as the existential emergency some people claim it to be. We need to be consistently and permanently firm but calm and don’t need to go into lockdown defcon 1 mode.

  29. no

    This is an immediate threat. Iran is a long term threat. Iran will not be dealt with by this this administration unless the Israelis are involved and we are forced into something.

    You can scoff Paul, your view on any of this would be the last I would expect to be able to grasp the slightest aspect this.

  30. Colm if the terrorism stays over there nothing will happen. The first car bomb, or suicide bomber internally will have the same effect as 9/11.

    We think nothing of 60 murders in Chicago over the weekend, set a bomb off and kill 20 people you’ll witness the beast coming out.

  31. Whenever I read posts from Mahons, Phantom, Daphne, Patty etc, I see an America of big skies, cycle rides, train jouirneys, bbqs, multi-culturalism, respect and genereal well-being.

    Whenever I read Troll’s posts, I see a frightened, paranoid nation of white people, surrounded on all sides by darker-skinned people with evil intent, and a thin line of police/army seperating the two, with a huge wall built around the entire country to keep out wrongdoers. Oh – and the village idiot in charge of it all.

    Which one is the true image?

  32. Probably one of only 5 pieces of hers that she has written that I enjoyed…. totaly off topic, but funny as hell

    I’m off to shoot some clays.

  33. You can scoff Paul, your view on any of this would be the last I would expect to be able to grasp the slightest aspect this.

    I scoff Troll because I think you are a sensationalist alarmist. You constantly predict war death and destruction and these predictions constantly fail to manifest themselves.

    When I was a child there was an American cartoon series on TV called ‘Wait To Your Father Gets Home’ and one of the characters in it was a neighbour who was always organising neighbourhood watches and patrols for ‘Commies’ (whatever that means). From the first time I encountered you on ATW I’ve always thought of this character however now, as the cold war has finished, you need another bogeyman to feed your paranoia and fear.

  34. I am not allowed to say what character I think represents you. Your grasp of American Society is even less based reality than your concept of right and wrong.

    As for my predictions it is you that is wrong the world is at war. When and which battles take place always depends on the flow of events. If you believe Iran will not be attacked you just keep believing that. Me I will just have patience for the inevitable.

  35. I forgot to answer this earlier. Pete the reason you don’t understand what Ukraine has to do with this is because you have no grasp of politics.

  36. Your grasp of American Society is even less based reality than your concept of right and wrong.

    Troll, I’ve told you before that I have quite a big group of relations in the US with some of them even actually fighting in wars for that country. Not one of them is anything like the American that you portray yourself to be. As a matter of fact I can’t recall one single American I’ve ever met who subscribes to the dark, paranoid, kill ’em all America that you seem to inhabit.

    As for my predictions it is you that is wrong the world is at war

    Except of course it isn’t. I’m typing this on my terrace on a beautiful late Summer’s day and as I look down into the street there are no tanks, no soldiers just people enjoying a late Summer’s day. When I look up into the blue sky there are no military aircraft in it.

    The only place the world is at war is in your head no matter how much you wish it to be real

    Your predictions?, you being the senasationalist alarmist, just like the boy who cried wolf, your mad predictions lie in tatters along with your credibility and your understanding of international geo – politics and word history as objects of ridicule.

  37. just because you have Americans in your family means nothing, I have family in NI do you believe I understand your politics?

    Tanks are not in your street OMG… then your country must not be at war…. Thanks for proving how little you grasp.

  38. I remember people also saying there would never be a Caliphate….

    Here’s news for you – there’s not. There’s a bunch of fundie nutjobs with delusions of granduer trying to carve on out in some dust pit somewhere.

    Just because you have Americans in your family means nothing, I have family in NI do you believe I understand your politics?

    Except what I actually said was:

    Not one of them is anything like the American that you portray yourself to be. As a matter of fact I can’t recall one single American I’ve ever met who subscribes to the dark, paranoid, kill ‘em all America that you seem to inhabit

    .

    Now, that taken into consideration with how the other Murican visitors to ATW view your opinions, pretty much puts you into a miniscule minority IMO.

    Tanks are not in your street OMG… then your country must not be at war…. Thanks for proving how little you grasp

    That voodoo logic sure is one strange dude to grasp.

  39. The Troll, on August 24th, 2014 at 12:16 PM Said:
    Iran is a long term threat

    Iran has been a ‘long-term threat’ since the late ’80’s. How long is ‘long-term’ and when do you expect them finally to master the rather dated technology needed to make a nuclear weapon?

  40. Paul to be honest I’d really rather not discuss very much with you.

    I don’t agree with your philosophy of life. I don’t agree with the things that you support, I don’t find that you have the ability to be civil in a disagreement with any view that is different than your own. You are passive aggressive, I am not. I’m down right bluntly rude, and openly hostile. It would be to easy to stomp on you without a second thought.

    You can continue to support whatever you choose, you are more than welcome to discuss whatever you want, and believe whatever you want. Your opinions are fun to read, they provide great humor.

    As I have already said though your not worth my time. You are more than welcome to express what you believe about anything I write, just don’t expect nothing more than perfunctory acknowledgment of anything you have to say.

  41. Terrorism has not existed in the US. It is a tactic that our culture does not accept. Where the Brits accepted it from the Irish if the Troubles had happened here it would have been handled differently.

    Terror has existed in the US. In 1910 the LA Times Building was bombed, killing 21 people. In 1920 Wall Street was bombed, killing 38. In 1927 38 children and 6 adults were killed in the Bath School bombing. We can go back further if you like, all the way to 1776.

    Britain quite clearly did not “accept” Irish Republican terror.

    If the feds handled a similar situation as they handled, say, Vietnam, they’d have lost that too. I’m sorry, you cannot “accept” terror, but you can rarely defeat it either purely by force.

  42. As you wish Troll just don’t expect me to stop occasionally commenting on your outlandish paranoid diatribes.

  43. Pete the first two bombing were both done by communists, and the third was a crazy person.

    You prove my point when you have to go back 100 years. You could have included Obama’s buddy and backer Bill Ayers, but none of these were attacks by external terrorists and as I said you prove how rare they are.

  44. If you sell guns for a living it’s good business practice to predict Armegeddon.

  45. –In 1920 Wall Street was bombed, killing 38. —

    There is an excellent account of the terrorist bombing nelow.

    Many of the victims were young lower working class people who worked as messengers. Not ” the rich “.

    Holes from that bombing, on the JP Morgan Building, are easily seen by passerby to this day.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing

  46. Troll –

    Terror is terror, regardless of perpetrates it.

    I went back a century to disprove your statement that “Terrorism has not existed in the US.” It always has existed in the US. It existed in 1776, it existed with Custer, it existed in the early 20th-Century, it existed at the Alfred P Murrah building and in Boston too.

  47. everyone is on my debate list. There are just things with a lot of you that aren’t worth debating about.

    The only two who I won’t debate anything with are Allan and Pete. Even if it was the weather.

  48. The idea is to be civil yet you still have people talking about meds and the such, it would be to easy to wipe the floor with any of you.

    Question is Fews Orange posting under another name? If so who?

  49. Petr said Fews just now when I think he meant Matt

    Allan seemed to retract a statement that –harrii– made yesterday ( about Havel’s comments on NATO ) and the thought crossed my mind that they may be the same person?

  50. Allan seemed to retract a statement that –harrii– made yesterday ( about Havel’s comments on NATO ) and the thought crossed my mind that they may be the same person?

    ?

    You really need to get out more 😉

  51. Phantom.

    Have you got any freinds you can visit to give you a break from ATW, if only for a short while.

  52. Allan seemed to retract a statement that –harrii– made yesterday ( about Havel’s comments on NATO )

    ?

    I don’t recall making any comments about NATO?

    You mean James Foley?

  53. Harri, on August 23rd, 2014 at 10:25 PM Said:
    men like then-Czech President Vaclav Havel who, if he had had his way, would not only have dissolved the Warsaw Pact, but NATO along with it.
    Vaclav was a hero in the Czech, he wanted to tell the EU to get stuffed as well .. so he had to go.


    Allan@Aberdeen, on August 23rd, 2014 at 11:32 PM Said:
    If Havel wanted to expand NATO to the very borders of Russia, and Phantom’s link appears to confirm this contrary to mine at 9.17pm, then Havel was wrong. It is absolutely reckless to do so. The questions remain:
    Why does NATO exist at all? What ‘threat’ does NATO exist to counter and bear in mind the first two letters of the acronym?

    Harri makes a complete 100% misrepresentation of Havel’s position on NATO, and harri does not retract–it is Allan who retracts!

    The time reference is off, but this is interesting. Harri may be a sock puppet as controlled by Allan – one reason why there is 100 percent agreement between them – and why ” harri ” speaks of Allan in terms of absolute admiration.

    I believe that I have solved a local conspiracy!

  54. The time reference is off, but this is interesting. Harri may be a sock puppet as controlled by Allan – one reason why there is 100 percent agreement between them – and why ” harri ” speaks of Allan in terms of absolute admiration.

    I believe that I have solved a local conspiracy!

    Phantom, what about family, have you anyone you can visit for a while to take your mind off things 😉

    There is more to life than your keypad and loneliness you know.

  55. Harri

    Nastiness is not the answer

    You forgot what you said 24 hours ago?

    I think that you are Allan.

    Can you please admit it?

  56. Harri

    I don’t think that I ( or anyone ) has gotten nasty and personal with you at any time.

    Why do you choose this road?

  57. Oh for goodness sake, can we discuss something interesting instead of having to read this drivel?

  58. Ross

    The world isn’t at war, it’s more peaceful than it has ever been in the past.

    Really? Name one country that isn’t threatened by Islamic Terror. It is not the same as the last 2 world wars, but it is a world war. It is one that is going to be harder to fight.

    We do one of two things, flatten the majority of the Middle East so badly that the idea of them straying out of it with their insanity is unthinkable, or we fight an Urban sporadic Gorilla War in every country trying to eliminate just those that are active at any given moment.

    No one has the stomach for the first choice so we will each fight the war internally each nation with it’s own methods along with the occasional forays into varying Middle Easter Nations. In the meantime the Chicoms are aggressively militarizing the region of the south china sea, the North Koreans are trying to marry their Nuclear warheads to long range missiles, and the Russians are taking what they want.

    If you see this as the most peaceful time in history maybe you ought to venture further than your living room.

  59. Guys, allegations of sock puppetry do nothing as they are essentially unproveable accusations.

  60. I think that you are Allan.

    Can you please admit it?

    LOL 🙂

    Phantom, you are a funny guy 😉

  61. Paul McMahon, on August 24th, 2014 at 1:05 PM Said:
    When I was a child there was an American cartoon series on TV called ‘Wait To Your Father Gets Home’ and one of the characters in it was a neighbour who was always organising neighbourhood watches and patrols for ‘Commies’ (whatever that means). From the first time I encountered you on ATW I’ve always thought of this character however now, as the cold war has finished, you need another bogeyman to feed your paranoia and fear.

    It was ‘Mad Ralph’ and I mentioned this a few weeks ago. Clearly I’m not alone in noticing Troll’s fear.

  62. Phantom, on August 24th, 2014 at 9:40 PM Said:
    it is Allan who retracts!

    Phantom unwittingly raises an interesting point. As one sees from this very thread, Phantom’s inability to think and one’s views to new information shows him for the clown that he is.

    Above is shown a comment made by me with a link to a Der Spiegel, which reports the views of Vaclav Havel. Phantom provides a link to Vaclav Havel himself in which he says the opposite of what Der Spiegel states – and the report from Der Spiegel is factually incorrect as I acknowledge. Contrast with the exchange below on this thread:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on August 23rd, 2014 at 11:35 PM Said:
    Phantom – it has been shown by contributors to this site that most of the ‘threats’ were created by the home-based TLAs (three-letter agencies). Would you like the exercise to be repeated?

    Phantom, on August 23rd, 2014 at 11:44 PM Said:
    Allan

    You are funny guy

    Allan@Aberdeen, on August 24th, 2014 at 12:01 AM Said:

    THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.

    But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.

    And from Phantom – no response, and no correction.

  63. In the meantime the Chicoms are aggressively militarizing the region of the south china sea, the North Koreans are trying to marry their Nuclear warheads to long range missiles, and the Russians are taking what they want.

    For sure.

  64. As to harri being my nasty, wicked alter ego, I’m sure that DV could close that one out. Here is how it’s done:

    http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

    Like many other news websites, Common Dreams has been plagued by inflammatory anti-Semitic comments following its stories. But on Common Dreams these posts have been so frequent and intense they have driven away donors from a nonprofit dependent on reader generosity.

    A Common Dreams investigation has discovered that more than a thousand of these damaging comments over the past two years were written with a deceptive purpose by a Jewish Harvard graduate in his thirties who was irritated by the website’s discussion of issues involving Israel.

    His intricate campaign, which he has admitted to Common Dreams, included posting comments by a screen name, “JewishProgressive,” whose purpose was to draw attention to and denounce the anti-Semitic comments that he had written under many other screen names.

    The deception was many-layered. At one point he had one of his characters charge that the anti-Semitic comments and the criticism of the anti-Semitic comments must be written by “internet trolls who have been known to impersonate anti-Semites in order to then double-back and accuse others of supporting anti-Semitism”–exactly what he was doing. (Trolls are posters who foment discord.)

    Check out the threads which are shown on the link.

  65. “Phantom’s inability to think and one’s views to new information shows him for the clown that he is.”

    David has already warned you about ad hominems.

  66. Correction:

    Phantom’s inability to think and MODIFY one’s views to new information…

  67. Petr – as we had discussed previously, the term ‘clown’ as used here for Phantom is not intended as an insult. The inability to modify one’s views when presented with conclusive information which counters the views up to that time makes that person a clown. The term is therefore a conclusion and not an insult. An insult is just name-calling whereas my use of a mildly derogatory term is based on the evidence presented.

    You recall the previous occasion when you attempted to challenge me? Were you to acknowledge the fact of your comment being demonstrably incorrect, then my conclusion would have to be withdrawn – but you won’t/can’t so the conclusion stands. Here it is:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on August 22nd, 2014 at 1:04 AM Said:
    And the Sphincter Trophy goes to Petr for being the prize arse-hole:

    Petr Tarasov, on August 22nd, 2014 at 12:17 AM Said:
    “Five people say that I’m wrong – none have watched the footage.”

    How do you know we haven’t watched it? Do you have supporting evidence?

    Yes

    Dave Alton, on August 22nd, 2014 at 12:08 AM Said:
    And I haven’t watched the video.

    The Troll, on August 22nd, 2014 at 12:10 AM Said:
    There are no links that you post that I will ever give the time to look at.

    Allan@Aberdeen, on August 22nd, 2014 at 12:41 AM Said:
    Mahons – did you watch the video?

    Mahons, on August 22nd, 2014 at 12:44 AM Said:
    Of course not you sad spectacle.

    Colm, on August 22nd, 2014 at 12:15 AM Said:
    Allan
    I won’t click on your link and if you have posted the real one (even if you think it isn’t) you are putting David’s site at rick (sic)

    The second last one was from a ‘lawyer’, somebody who is supposed to deal with evidence.

  68. If you see this as the most peaceful time in history maybe you ought to venture further than your living room.

    It is, fewer people die of violence as a proportion of the population than any time in the past. Islamic terrorism is a problem but it isn’t a threat on a comparable scale with what we’ve dealt with before in the Cold War or WW2.

    China and Russia have the potential to be threatening. China’s sabre rattling is far less threatening that it was in the Cold War era where they attacked the Allies in Korea, as well as having wars with Tibet, India, Vietnam and only just avoiding war with the USSR. China has to be watched but they are a lot less dangerous than they were fifty years ago under Mao.

    Russia is a menace to its smaller neighbours but isn’t an existential threat as it was in the Cold War, but instead a declining power whose behaviour has made it an international outcast.

  69. As I said Ross you need to venture out more often.

    China has just completed a 60 bay submarine base:

    In early February, a web user took photo of three new-type strategic nuclear submarines berthing at Yalong Bay South Fleet Base, Sanya. Judging by their appearance, they may be China’s newest type of Type 094 nuclear submarines. However, it remains a mystery how many new-type strategic nuclear submarines China has.

    According to US navy intelligence, China has built Asia’s largest nuclear submarine base at Sanya, HainanProvince. PLA has deployed there its newest nuclear submarines armed with JL-2 SLBMs with range exceeding 8,000km.

    US navy has obtained the information through analysis of data collected by military satellites, the frequent appearance of three PLA nuclear submarines in the area near Sanya and the cruise route of submarines.

    In addition, US military intelligence has affirmed information that there is a secret supporting missile storage facility near Chinese navy’s secret base in Sanya. Previously, British Jane’s Defense Review also published a report that US satellites had proved that China completed the construction of a secret military base in Sanya, Hainan ten years ago.

    Source: huanqiu.com “China secretly building a nuclear submarine base in South China Sea as its nuclear strike base”

    not to mention the artificial Islands they are constructing:

    http://www.janes.com/article/37973/china-building-artificial-island-in-south-china-sea

    or the aggressiveness they have been showing in that whole region.

    3000 Americans died in one day, how many 100s of thousands have died in the ME in the past 10 yrs. How many tens of thousands since the Americans have pulled out?

    I’m not going to get into the Russian Military build up there isn’t enough room on this page to list it all. Yet you think of it as a declining power. It’s economy is better than at any point than it was in the cold war and they are spending like crazy on weapons systems.

    Where is this peace?

  70. Petr, Allan, Harri, and Pete

    Stop the personal remarks PERIOD. End of Story.

    Whether you think something is an insult or not. End it NOW.

    Make the case for your positions like adults.

  71. The Troll, on August 24th, 2014 at 11:51 PM Said:

    Make the case for your positions like adults.

    Troll – as I’ve said before, you are a caricature of yourself 🙂

    The Troll, on August 22nd, 2014 at 12:10 AM Said:
    There are no links that you post that I will ever give the time to look at.

  72. Ross –

    Russia is a menace to its smaller neighbours but isn’t an existential threat as it was in the Cold War, but instead a declining power whose behaviour has made it an international outcast.

    Indeed, who can forget that Russia has in recent years killed hundreds of thousands via murderous wars of aggression?

    Oh hang on-

  73. that’s a problem that you seem to be having trouble grasping Allan in your example of what I said please explain where the insult or personal attack is?

  74. Indeed, who can forget that Russia has in recent years killed hundreds of thousands via murderous wars of aggression?

    You can apparently. Russia’s wars in Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine have already been consigned to the memory hole it seems.

  75. They hate the U.S., they Hate Great Britain, They Hate Israel, while at the same time they Praise Russia, and the give their support to Hamass, and the IRA/SF.

    There is nothing else that needs to be explained or pointed out. It speaks for itself.

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