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You have  to laugh at the SHEER hypocrisy of it all. Get this.


A LARGE religious contingent is expected to protest along the route of the Belfast Gay Pride parade which is taking place in the city centre on Saturday. An evangelical service will be held adjacent to St Anne’s Cathedral in a stand “against sodomy”.


The Rev David McIlveen from Sandown Road Free Presbyterian Church is leading the witness, which they have held every year since the Gay Pride took to the streets of Belfast. Mr McIlveen said there will be a large group of Free Presbyterians taking part as well as a youth choir from America. “We have had a lot of support. I think it’s fair to say we don’t go out of our way to get that support but if we didn’t get it we would still express our point of view,” he said.  “There is a very strong feeling amongst Christian people particularly that sodomy is wrong and contrary to the teaching of the Bible.” And he hit out against people who have branded such beliefs as homophobic by saying “we are just expressing our genuinely held Christian belief”. He said while they don’t seek political support he had “no doubt there will be politicians who feel sympathetically disposed to our point of view”.


I suggest that Rev McIlveen and his associates would do better to PROTEST at those members of his Church who sit in political power with murdering terrorists. When the former Moderatorof the Free Presbyterian Church, Dr Paisley, stood shoulder to shoulder with IRA godfather Martin McGuinness, I can’t recall the Rev McIllveen protesting. Not even a whimper. Hypocrite know yourself.

 

These “in your face” militant gays just LOVE the additional publicity this kind of protest will bring. I can understand the Biblical point and I do believe homosexual acts are sinful BUT I also believe in live and let live. God can judge, not me.

 I reckon that MANY homosexual people will be appalled at the burlesque that is Gay Pride just as many Christians are appalled at the burlesque which the Free Presbyterian Church has become. No Gay Pride, No Free P pride, my friends.  Then again, I’m an outsider these days….

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125 thoughts on “STANDING AGAINST SODOMY….

  1. Are you suggesting those opposed to the march simply bend over? Wrong image I suppose, and perhaps not in their best interest. Those who want to parade should parade, those who want to protest should protest, and those of us who wish to avoid them both and enjoy a few pints should repair to the nearest pub. Greetings by the way from rural Ireland where I have found a laptop among the sheep, turf and bog. I’ve a friend’s wedding to attend this day so pray for less rain.

  2. Both groups feed off each other. The more oppressed the gay militants can portray themselves as the more funding and support they will get. Likewise the more the likes of the Rev. can make out that there is a threat then the bigger his outfit gets.

    Even the SDLP are trying to wring a bit of relevance for themselves out of the situation.

    Mahons

    Your response is absolutely right. Enjoy the wedding.

  3. Unfortunately Iris Robinson is on holiday. I’m sure she would have loved to be there today, with a placard and a quote for the media.

  4. Howdy mahons

    Knew you couldn’t stay completely incommunicado the whole time.

    Strange doings in the baseball world, as I’m sure you have seen

  5. . When the former Moderatorof the Free Presbyterian Church, Dr Paisley, stood shoulder to shoulder with IRA godfather Martin McGuinness, I can’t recall the Rev McIllveen protesting. Not even a whimper. Hypocrite know yourself.

    Why should he? I don’t recall any of the ministers or members of the Free P cult protesting when Paisley was in cahoots with Loyalist terrorists during the60s,70s and 80s, Or indeed when he was setting up his own Paramilitary orginisations.

  6. I AM DISGUSTED AT DAVID VANCE’S POSITION ON SODOMY..ALL DECENT AND MORAL UNIONISTS WILL OPPOSE SODOMY AT EVERY OPPORTUITY..IM GLAD DAVID VANCE HAS NOT JOINED THE TRADITIONAL UNIONIST VOICE…IM ENCOURAGED THEY HAVE PLEDGED THEMSELVES TO STAND FOR TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES..PLEASE DONT JOIN DAVID!!!

  7. Why do the raving lunatics who actively protested against the Homos, actually feel that Gays have a monopoly on Sodomy?

  8. Seamus,

    Perhaps perhaps perverts would be a better description of both gay and hetero practioners of that filthy habit…

  9. Seamus,

    If you need it explained to you just what is filthy about it, then you just aren’t quite as smart as you think you are…

  10. ROMANS 1 v 16-32

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;</>
    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do ?them.

  11. Mrs Robinson ROCKS!

    And here’s to you, Mrs. Robinson
    Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
    God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
    Heaven holds a place for those who pray and despise those who are Gay.
    (Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

    We’d like to know a little bit about you for our files
    We’d like to help you learn to help yourself
    Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes and girls who are really guys
    Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home amongst the home…"O"’s????

  12. Seamus,

    By any description sodomy is an utterly and totally filthy habit, and nobody, with an iota of commonsense would even consider it, – unless they were a pervert.

  13. Ernest, last time I checked, Sodomy just means Anal Sex. That isn’t all that disgusting and filthy.

  14. These people who quote the Bible, do they believe it all or just those bits which reinforce their dislikes against Gays or others ?
    Exodus 21.17 "And he that curseth his mother or father shall surely be put to death" whose going to escape "death "then?

  15. Scouseprouds,

    I don’t think Philip really believes even the part he quoted:

    Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    …as according to that debate is in the same company as murder and we’re all screwed.

    I never knew whispering was so bad either.

  16. Seamus,

    "That isn’t all that disgusting and filthy."

    So you do admit that it is ‘a bit’ digusting and filthy!

    I hope you never end up serving a prison sentence, because you will soon learn just how disgusting and filthy sodomy really is…

    Despite propaganda to the contrary, it was sodomy that intoduced AIDS to the human species via those who are so perverted that they sodomised animals.

  17. "I hope you never end up serving a prison sentence, because you will soon learn just how disgusting and filthy sodomy really is…"

    See the problem with that would be the fact that it is rape rather than how the way that they would rape people. What is filthy about two consenting adults having Anal Sex?

  18. And I taking it then Matt that you then wouldn’t have conventional Sex with a girl because she pisses out of her vagina?

  19. Seamus,

    You don’t know too much about the human body do you?

    Faeces is laden with bacteria and all sorts of stuff that will harm you. Urine, – on the other hand is normally totally sterile, there is even a following that advocates it’s use as a medication.

    Another old saying: ‘Play around the cess-pit, and you end up smelling like shit!’ – and ain’t that the truth!…

    So much for the liberalised version of sex education, perhaps they should have included some ‘elf and safety’ info at the same time…

  20. 2 things about that then Ernest. Firstly, most girls willing to actually have Anal Sex also keep the area clean. Secondly, you still should wear a Condom while doing it. Avoids all those problems Ernest.

  21. If a woman is "pissing out of her vagina" then she most likely has a fistula (hole) connecting her bladder to her vagina.

    The urethra is not in the vagina, it is just above it and I wouldn’t recommend you stick anything in that!

    End of Anatomy lesson.

  22. "If a woman is "pissing out of her vagina" then she most likely has a fistula (hole) connecting her bladder to her vagina.

    The urethra is not in the vagina, it is just above it and I wouldn’t recommend you stick anything in that!"

    "End of Anatomy lesson."

    Thank you MATT

    That explaination gives a whole new meaning to Golden Shower!

  23. I hope you never end up serving a prison sentence, because you will soon learn just how disgusting and filthy sodomy really is…

    I’m sorry this post has brought up such painful memories for you Ernest.

  24. DC,

    Save your sympathy, unlike yourself, I don’t have to experience everything to know what it is all about, especially something as bestial as sodomy.

    However, I can see how it may well appeal to you…

  25. Now this post has deteriorated into a discussion I did not want.

    To revert to topic and to reply to shouting Joe…

    Your lack of intelligence in understanding what I was posting here makes me trust that you too are not involved with the Traditional Unionist Voice! Since you cannot even comprehend my stated support for a Biblical view on homosexuality, I figure you haven’t a clue on my political views.

  26. I’ve never understood the argument that one has had to have experienced a thing to speak of it.

  27. "Urine, – on the other hand is normally totally sterile,"

    Heterosexual sex with a woman usually involves her vagina. This is not the place from where urine is emitted. Its quite astonishing that there is a reference to urine in apparent defence of *normal* (sic) or vaginal penetrative sex.

    It would lead one, reasonably, to believe that anyone referring to urine in ths context is entirely ignorant of basic facts about a woman’s body and indeed, its reasonable to believe that such a person has never had intimate knowledge of a woman’s body.

    Given the unattractiveness of practically everything emanating from the source of the above quote, its hardly surprising he’s a virgin.

  28. "Urine, – on the other hand is normally totally sterile,"

    What’s wrong with that statement? It happens to be true.

    Sorry if I am getting at the wrong person!

  29. It would lead one, reasonably, to believe that anyone referring to urine in ths context is entirely ignorant of basic facts about a woman’s body and indeed, its reasonable to believe that such a person has never had intimate knowledge of a woman’s body.

    That was exactly my thought Jo.

  30. I too doubt that Seamus is anything older than sixteen. His knowledge of anatomy and bodily functions seems to be minimal. He’s probably still at the ‘I’ll show you mine, if you show me yours!’ stage of adolescence…:-)

  31. I was off the opinion that McIlveen didn’t get involved with the political side of the FP’s, and stayed more on the religious side and therefore this demonstration was in keeping with his views.

  32. Alright, so I used the term vagina as a general name for the entire area including the vulva, clit, the actual vagina etc… forgive me for annoying the Anatomy people, I’ll stick to the technical terms in future. Maybe I should brush up on my Latin for that.

    "I too doubt that Seamus is anything older than sixteen."

    Mentally, I’m actually about three, but I am actually twenty years old. And given your somewhat prudish views on sex I would imagine you are about eighty?

  33. Seamus,

    Almost right there! – certainly old enough to be your grandfather, and old enough to realise that you probably think you know it all, and that you think your generation were the first to have discovered sex… that you all seem to have the instincts and morality of farmyard cats, is probably not your fault, but more as a result of your poor education and upbringing.

  34. "but more as a result of your poor education and upbringing."

    My education and upbringing where brilliant. It’s just this generation have learned to enjoy sex rather than be ashamed of it like your generation.

  35. Seamus all animals can have sex, only humans make love. It’s what raises us above the animal level. Thats something you might need to realise in life.

  36. While that is true Gosh, you can make love in many different ways, not just the clothes on, lights off, missionary position, way.

  37. "you all seem to have the instincts and morality of farmyard cats,"

    I rest my case. I wonder does Guinness record the oldest provable living virgin?

  38. Seamus is that your answer to the philosophical question about how man can humanise sexual passion?

    This whole thread has missed the point in my view and wandered off down a ‘beastly’ dead end. While I have no problem with what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes there is a bigger problem with uncontrolled sex in society. Unbridled sexual passion has led to broken homes and a lot of misery.

    I read a book on holiday by a doctor who told the story of a woman in Birmingham a while back who had a violent lover. Her young son tried to stop him attacking her and the lover beat his head against a wall and left him for dead.

    The mother told the young mans eleven year old sister that she had bargained with her brother to stop him making a complaint to the police. The mothers reason, the boy friend was a ‘better f–k than the childs father!’

    Is this the result of the sexual revoloution? Is that all we have gained from it.The dehumanising of sex, ‘rights’ for homosexuals that places them above hertrosexuals with adoption agencies. I hear its got so bad now that childless hertrosexual couples are finding it more difficult to adopt since the same rights have been given to homosexuals.

    But hey the more interesting topic appears to be where a man puts his penis……

  39. "’rights’ for homosexuals that places them above hertrosexuals with adoption agencies. I hear its got so bad now that childless hertrosexual couples are finding it more difficult to adopt since the same rights have been given to homosexuals."

    But the major contributions to the whole debate that I have had is because of people like Ernest describing a form of sex as filthy and disgusting. The Sexual Revolution stopped up thinking of these things as filthy and disgusting.

    With the positive change of anything there are also negatives. Women’s Lib for one thing has caused the creation of an anti-male society, but very few people pine for the good old days of women chained to the kitchen sink.

    "While I have no problem with what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes there is a bigger problem with uncontrolled sex in society. Unbridled sexual passion has led to broken homes and a lot of misery."

    Controlled sex and passionless sex has led to broken homes and a lot of misery. People who need to spice up their sex life instead of doing it with their spouse went else where.

  40. Controlled sex and passionless sex has led to broken homes and a lot of misery. People who need to spice up their sex life instead of doing it with their spouse went else where.

    Ahh…. so thats what it was all about;-)

  41. Gosh!

    " ‘rights’ for homosexuals that places them above hertrosexuals with adoption agencies."

    Rubbish

    " I hear its got so bad now that childless hertrosexual couples are finding it more difficult to adopt since the same rights have been given to homosexuals."

    There is no shortage of children to adopt. It is the other way round.

    If heterosexual couples are finding it difficult to adopt it is because they don’t pass the screening process.

  42. But the major contributions to the whole debate that I have had is because of people like Ernest describing a form of sex as filthy and disgusting.

    Whats wrong with seeing it as filthy and disgusting? There are people out there who aim high in their personal relationships and everyday life. They try, and sometimes fail, to raise themselves up above the animal level in their intimate life. Whether hertro or homo sexual. A committed relationship is about respecting the other persons dignity and wishes not about fulfilling your own sexual appetite. In that aspect society has lost its way. To say People who need to spice up their sex life instead of doing it with their spouse went else where. is to misunderstand the nature of the word ‘spouse’.

    Society has been influenced unduly by silly women like Margaret Mead.

  43. " ‘rights’ for homosexuals that places them above hertrosexuals with adoption agencies."

    Rubbish

    :p Prove it Frank….

  44. If heterosexual couples are finding it difficult to adopt it is because they don’t pass the screening process.

    No it isn’t Frank, thats like saying immigration has no impact on making it more difficult to find a job. Demand is now larger than it was before, and I hear some adoption agencies are using a more positive approach to gay adoption, favouring them over hertrosexual couples.

    (I have no problem with gay adoption if the couple provide a loving home for a child, but I still firmly believe in the traditional two parent family.)

  45. Not how it works. You made the claim, you get to prove it.

    I don’t need to prove it frank, since it stands to reason that demand is now larger and some lesbian couples actually use the sperm of gay friends to become impregnated.

    Condoning something like homosexuality doesn’t mean to say it’s right. It does go against nature and it does have massive impact on society, and most of it isn’t good.

  46. Gosh!

    "Demand is now larger than it was before"

    It’s still smaller than supply.

    In any case you seem to think the point of adoption should be to give childless couples some children – it’s actually to give children parents. Prospective parents have always been turned away if they don’t meet the standard required.

    "some lesbian couples actually use the sperm of gay friends to become impregnated."

    Huh? How is that relevant to adoption?

    "I hear some adoption agencies are using a more positive approach to gay adoption, favouring them over hertrosexual couples."

    If so that would be illegal and wrong and should be stopped. But I hear that some adoption agencies used to do the opposite, and I’d say there’s a lot more of that going on. The result is children who don’t get adopted.

  47. "I can understand the Biblical point and I do believe homosexual acts are sinful BUT I also believe in live and let live. God can judge, not me."

    Hmmm..not that the author of these lines would EVER presume to judge 🙂

    But its interesting that this is the end of the 1 week out of 52 which actually seeks to interest people in what is the world-view of 1 in 10 of the population (yeah, even here in N Ireland)

    This 1 parade (compared to 3000 Orange parades) arouses such utterly predictable and boring pedantry and prejudice. Some of us hope to live long enough to see the prejudice go.

    Viewing, as I did yesterday, the Gay Pride parade from the Belfast Wheel, I saw prejudice for what it was – a tiny, coralled body of silly people, average age 70-75, who wont be here in 5 years.

  48. it’s actually to give children parents.

    Yes it is Frank, but that still leaves the question of what kind of parents are in the childs best interest. Is it in the best interests of a child to have gay/lesbian parents or a mainstream two parent family. While I don’t want to go into adoption on a thread against sodomy, it does raise the issue of the consequences of homosexuality in society.

    Prospective parents have always been turned away if they don’t meet the standard required.

    You miss my point. Again its about supply and demand. I don’t see any evidence of gay couples lining up to take difficult children, so if this is about giving children parents rather than giving parents children why aren’t gay couples taking the older children who find it difficult to get a home. Why are childrens homes still in exsistence now that more couples want to adopt. Because they like their hertrosexual contemporaries want babies so a good deal of this is indeed about giving parents children rather than the other way about – unfortunately.

    "some lesbian couples actually use the sperm of gay friends to become impregnated."

    Huh? How is that relevant to adoption?

    I was speaking more of the consequences of homosexuality in society than adoption par se.

    If so that would be illegal and wrong and should be stopped. But I hear that some adoption agencies used to do the opposite, and I’d say there’s a lot more of that going on. The result is children who don’t get adopted.

    It’s a complex issue further complicated by the legacy of homosexuality in society. Like all bad adult issues its the kids that usually pick up the tab.

  49. Jo, didn’t see yesterdays parade, I was en route home but I’ve been to previous years’ parades and have seen militant gays provoking those trying to protest peacefully. They have the right to protest if they want, and I also saw placards saying ‘jesus is a fag’ and graffitti left after the parade with the same sort of sentiments. This thing is far from one sided.

  50. Gosh!

    "Is it in the best interests of a child to have gay/lesbian parents or a mainstream two parent family."

    Yes.

    "why aren’t gay couples taking the older children who find it difficult to get a home"

    I don’t know that they aren’t, but if they don’t it is probably for the same reason that heterosexual couples don’t. And if they did they would be vilified for it by the usual suspects anyway.

  51. Jo,

    You always have been the most presumptous of fools. At least I waited to get married before raising a family – did you?

    I am the proud father of three and grandfather of six, each and every one conceived and raised with intent and love. As we approach our fiftieth anniversary, I don’t have any regrets about ‘so-called’ experiences missed, but I do have sympathy for you ‘liberalised’ people who will never, if ever, experience the true meaning of love and respect. You may well have achieved a ‘freedom’ – of sorts, but at what price? – it isn’t only children who can lose the innocence without which it is impossible to have true happiness and contentment.

    However, good luck to you, no doubt you will sneer at my comments, but rest assured, when you recall them, you may well see that respect for self and each other, plays a huge part in human relationships.

    Believe me, when I say that what you think is so liberal to perform and discuss the acts you suggest as ‘normal’, have been around for a very long time, – there is nothing new in that department which hasn’t been tried, discussed, and usually found wanting, a long time before you or I were even thought of.

    If those acts were as enriching and as commonplace as you would like to think, then perhaps they would not be seen as quite such a perversion. Like so many younger people I suspect talk and bravado plays a larger part than performance in these matters.

  52. "Is it in the best interests of a child to have gay/lesbian parents or a mainstream two parent family."

    Yes.

    Yes? No Frank the question involves choice not a yes or no answer. No matter what your opinion is, surely it must be the right and best interest of the child that is to be decided. We really do not know the implications if any of the social affects on large numbers of children being raised in homosexual homes. While it may be good for specific children in certain instances will it work for society in the long term. Such things must concern us.

    And if they did they would be vilified for it by the usual suspects anyway.

    Maybe so, but if they are being vilified for adopting in any case why not take a child who is finding it difficult to get a home? Unless their motive is to get a child and be parents rather than give a child a home. Wouldn”t want to accuse them of that now would we?;-/

  53. I got called a sodomite the other day, by a bitter women similiar to Iris Robinson, my crime was to help an elderly arthritic man once a week and do a bit of shopping for him; and stay for a pint or two, or three 🙂

    Where do these curtain twitchers come from??

    Brighton had a great Gay pride festival, and I’m glad so did Belfast. Very colourful and friendly unlike the militaristic loyalist parades.

    Ernest one of your family could turn out Gay.
    Pls don’t judge, or God will send you an awful tribulation.

  54. Ernest

    And a good evening to you. At least your last comment reveals you have more knowledge of a female anatony than your previous comments implied. You and your generation may regard the areas ofthe body which are responsible for both defeaction and procreation as somehow being collectively horrific, but I do not.

    It was not someone from *my generation* but from the sixteenth century (at the latest) who regarded the flesh of women as fit for procreation and the flesh of boys as being fit for fun.

    Talk and bravado may well be a part of what some poeple regard as part of sexual activity, or indeed a substitute thereof, but that is not exclusively the preserve of homosexual people.

    Should you intend your argument to be a slight on all purely material and superficial relationships, that is fair enough comment, but this is not a thread on sexual conduct, it is a thread on Gay Pride. The opposite of which is Gay Shame. There is no reason whatsover for any gay person to feel shame because of how they feel. We are all human beings and entitled to feel love and express that love..

  55. If our maker or creator [whichever] had meant there to be male homosexuality, wouldn’t he have made the ‘equipment’ to fit, as he did with hetrosexuals? Just a thought !!

  56. Brighton had a great Gay pride festival, and I’m glad so did Belfast. Very colourful and friendly unlike the militaristic loyalist parades.

    PERCY…..If you believe that the disgusting antics of the ‘Gay Pride’ loons in Belfast at the weekend, is much better than a decent 12th July parade, then you have a ‘bigger screw’ loose than I previously thought.

  57. Jo Said above, ‘Viewing, as I did yesterday, the Gay Pride parade from the Belfast Wheel, I saw prejudice for what it was – a tiny, coralled body of silly people, average age 70-75, who wont be here in 5 years.’

    I say, ‘I wonder how many of the ‘queers’ marching on Saturday will be hear in 5 years? What with that horrible disease prevalent amongst their kind, called AIDS

  58. William I always have a wry chuckle to myself when guys like you use the word "decent"
    ."Shine on you crazy bigots", could well be a pink floyd cover hit for a loyalist band.
    What dya reckon bill?

  59. Monday, August 4, 2008 at 12:28AM | Seamus

    I cannot comment further than this other than to express my utter repugnance at such a perspective.
    Shame on you.

  60. Jo

    I’m not crazy about that comment but before I condemn him, I have to look at the Jo 10:54 comment that he was responding to.

    Its not just the few protesters you saw that reject the "gay agenda". There are many others, who have something better to do than to join the "get a life" crowd that participate in such parades and protests.

    They’re not all bad, and they’re not all close-minded, and by no means does it mean that they do not have gay friends either!

    I’m not wishing death or misfortune on anyone. I reject the premise of these ludicrously named "pride" parades but I wish the gays I know and those I don’t know all the best – while I absolutely hold to my position on "gay marriage" and the like.

  61. "get a life" crowd that participate in such parades and protests.
    you’ve obviously never been to one phantom, the carnival parade is the nearest we get to the mardi-gras, its one big party during and afterwards .. a celebration of life, diversity, tolerance. Magic so it is.

    Get a life dude …lol

  62. From the glimpses I’ve seen they’re all cliche machines, reinforcing every tired and hurtful stereotype there ever was.

    There are a lot of creative gays, but evidently they stay far away from these events. They’re left to the freaks and the dregs of society to a significant extent.

  63. It was one big party. As such, it was so much more influential on all ages, 9 and up – who will henceforth associate *gay* in its true meaning – having fun, having a good time, enjoying life, dancing, singing, relishing this one life.

    As for the opposition:

    I will adopt a colloquial phrase – *fuck ’em*

  64. The opposite of which is Gay Shame. There is no reason whatsover for any gay person to feel shame because of how they feel. We are all human beings and entitled to feel love and express that love..

    Hear hear, Jo. Well said.

    Percy,

    Fair play for helping that man, and I agree the Pride festivals can be great craic. The Dublin one gets bigger and better each year.

  65. They’re left to the freaks and the dregs of society to a significant extent [everyone’s least favorite ghost]

    Not true dude… There is always a diverse crowd at the Dublin event, everyone from the Joycean scholar David Norris to the Queen on Canal Street!

  66. Jo,

    I have only ever said that I find sodomy a repugnant habit, I have never said that you or anyone else should refrain on my account, or that it should be henceforth banned, it is just my opinion – do as you see fit, just don’t expect me to respect you for doing it…

    My comment, that you found so worthy of comment was in reply to Sheamus who actually suggested the similarity between the ‘normal’ and the perverse, I merely corrected him in terms that were not so explicit as to give anyone offence.

    As for your ’16thC comment, that remark says much about the practice of sodomy, in that it is all about domination, of either boys, or females, both of which are easily subdued and abused, – surely something which you should find hard to defend.

    However, like the poor the perverted are always with us…

  67. Apologies for posting this in another thread.

    Jo did you see this from the big wheel?

    THE annual gay pride parade has attracted further controversy after a participant exposed himself to protesters near Belfast’s Church of Ireland Cathedral. Saturday afternoon shoppers were shocked as the man dropped his trousers to his ankles and fondled himself in a lewd manner in front of anti-gay protesters.

    The Belfast Pride Committee last night said the man’s actions were “unacceptable but understandable” in the furore following DUP anti-gay remarks.

    Many gay people felt this year’s Pride Festival had added significance in the wake of Iris Robinson’s description of homosexuality as an “abomination”.

    The wife of First Minister Peter Robinson attracted considerable criticism for her comments on homosexuality and claims that the government should uphold the rule of God.

    An effigy of Mrs Robinson was attached to the front of one of the float trucks and some MLAs attended the parade to mark their opposition to the chair of the health committee’s comments.

    In a separate incident a man was arrested for disorderly behaviour at Custom House Square.

    A Catholic priest was also reportedly jostled by participants as he walked along Donegall Street.

    Police wrestled two Christian protesters to the ground after they ran into the parade and tried to remove an image of Mrs Robinson from a float.

    A witness said he was “gobsmacked” at what he saw on Donegall Street at about 3.30pm.

    “I couldn’t believe it when I saw this fella drop his pants,” he said.

    “He was pointing at the protesters outside the art college as he was touching himself and everyone around, including women with children, seemed completely shocked.

    Nice eh?
    here

  68. I think those in the Gay Pride parade brought shame on themselves. No surprise there, they love the victim status. Meanwhile more civilised homosexual people stayed away. These militants speak ONLY for themselves, that was the point of my original post and I stand over it.

    As for Seamus’s post, it is no more reprehensible than others I have seen above. Wishing for the death of other people is wrong – unless they are terrorists in which case it is desirable.

  69. Isn’t it amazing…..Jo can state ‘how many of the 70-75 year olds [as she claimed] will be around in 5 years time and it’s no problem. Yet I respond asking how many of the queers will be around and it is a problem.
    That is what is wrong will militant in your face hate mongers amongs the Gay crowd and their supporters.
    Say what you like about Christians but don’t criticise the Gays.
    A query…..I read William’s query above, about if the creators of Mankind had meant there to be Homosexuality then the equipment would have been made to fit…

    LETS HEAR A RESPONSE TO WILLIAM

  70. –the man dropped his trousers to his ankles and fondled himself in a lewd manner in front of anti-gay protesters.–

    That says it all, as does the weak response of the (ludicrously named) "pride" committee.

    Percy, tell me again how wonderful these parades are.

  71. THE annual gay pride parade has attracted further controversy after a participant exposed himself to protesters near Belfast’s Church of Ireland Cathedral. Saturday afternoon shoppers were shocked as the man dropped his trousers to his ankles and fondled himself in a lewd manner in front of anti-gay protesters.

    ROTFLMFAO

    🙂 That has made my day — absolute classic. I can just imagine their faces; all red with indignation like smacked arses! lol

  72. Seamus,

    "if the creators of Mankind had meant there to be Homosexuality then the equipment would have been made to fit."

    The creators of Mankind? Do you have their phone number, let’s ask them.

    And if the equipment doesn’t fit then it can’t be done so what exactly are you all complaining about.

  73. Gosh!.

    "No Frank the question involves choice not a yes or no answer. No matter what your opinion is, surely it must be the right and best interest of the child that is to be decided. "

    Yes and the best of interest of the child is to have parents, which is satisfied by both of the options you offered. Preferably biological parents but given the screening processes adoptive parents are about as good. I don’t know of any evidence that homosexual parents are any worse than heterosexual ones.

  74. Exactly Frank…

    To respond to William’s query you must accept the premise on which it is based; that some supernatural being created us with a magic wand or some such.

    So Seamus but it’s been years since I’ve done magic mushrooms and I’m too old to believe in fairy tales.

  75. –I don’t know of any evidence that homosexual parents are any worse than heterosexual ones.–

    Given your level of bias on this issue, I don’t think that there is any evidence you would accept, even if we had film of every gay adoptive parent molesting every child in their charge

    A child is best served to have both a father and a mother. That is impossible in a gay situation.

  76. Phantom,

    Franck is quite right, there is no evidence gay parents do a worse job. None at all, anywhere. Disagree? Then cite evidence to that effect if you expect to be taken seriously.

  77. Phantom,

    Gay transgendered drug addicted hiv positive Muslim parents surely represent the aspirational zenith? Isn’t there a pride march for this oppressed group?

  78. Franck is quite right, there is no evidence gay parents do a worse job. None at all, anywhere. Disagree? Then cite evidence to that effect if you expect to be taken seriously.

  79. I, unfortunately, don’t have a monopoly on my name. Before I get a reputation for being advocating the death of gay people, my last post was Sunday, August 3, 2008 at 10:06PM, before the raving lunatic who unfortunately shares my name took over.

  80. Yes and the best of interest of the child is to have parents, which is satisfied by both of the options you offered. Preferably biological parents but given the screening processes adoptive parents are about as good. I don’t know of any evidence that homosexual parents are any worse than heterosexual ones.

    Frank I think we half agree. However, the ‘evidence’ that I was refering to was not whether or not homosexual parents were better or worse than hertro parents but that:
    We really do not know the implications if any of the social affects on large numbers of children being raised in homosexual homes. While it may be good for specific children in certain instances will it work for society in the long term. Such things must concern us.

  81. Seamus

    One of you should be registered or one should consider doing a slight variation on the name.

    Was the other Seamus a regular contributor, or someone trying to pretend that those comments came from you?

  82. Send an e-mail to David [ at e-mail the editor to the left ] , who will send you a return e-mail with necessary information to log in.

    Being a registered type gives you the ability to edit comments for 14 minutes after you’ve posted them, which is the best invention since sliced bread.

  83. Phantom –

    Franck is quite right, there is no evidence gay parents do a worse job. None at all, anywhere. Disagree? Then cite evidence to that effect if you expect to be taken seriously.

  84. Phantom,

    "Given your level of bias on this issue,"

    What’s my level of bias? You mean I’m not prejudiced against homosexuals, so I’m biased? lol!

    "I don’t think that there is any evidence you would accept,"

    That’d be a mighty convenient thing to say if you had no evidence. So let’s see this evidence that the ‘biased’ won’t accept. lol!

    "even if we had film of every gay adoptive parent molesting every child in their charge"

    The usual gay = paedophile smear. Almost as if you were a tad biased.

  85. Well, the priests weren’t molesting the altar girls

    And I don’t know of a "Man Girl Love Association" though there is a Man Boy Love Association

    Its not a smear. Pedophilia has always been a part of the gay male scene- since the Greeks.. Watch at the next pride parade ( see photo on link ). Its not exactly news.

  86. Pedophilia has always been a part of the gay male scene.

    No Phantom thats way wrong, infact there is a great amount of evidence to the contrary. Children are completely safe with homosexuals. There are profiles of people most likely to commit sexual crimes against children and homosexuality isn’t in there. I’m sure like any other group there’d be the odd one but paedophilia is not part and parcel of homosexuality.

  87. I said its a part of the scene. Most gays would do no such thing, but a lot of them are very happy to deal with a messed up 13-14 year old or younger.

    And any adult who takes advantage of such a youth is a molester, a pedophile…I do not think that this is such a rarity, at all…and is a factor in the drive in some countries to lower the "age of consent."

  88. Phantom,

    "Well, the priests weren’t molesting the altar girls"

    So who is molesting the girls then. Is that the lesbians and if so how do some of them show up pregnant?

    By the way where’s this evidence that the ‘biased’ won’t accept?

  89. This same sex molestation appears to be a male thing,

    Never heard of the priests touching a girl. It was the wee boys that turned them on. If a man is attracted to boys, that is by definition a gay attraction.

  90. Phantom, Frank is correct in this case, the evil bastards didn’t care whether the people they raped where male or female. Patrick McDonagh for example, a former priest, was convicted of raping four girls between the ages of 6 and 10.

    Though, on the age of consent bit, Phantom is correct. The International Lesbian and Gay Association have stated that consent laws are "oppressive".

  91. OK, but in the US at least the overwhelming number of victims of priests were male ( here I never heard of a single female victim, though there may have been some )

  92. Phantom

    "Never heard of the priests touching a girl. "

    I have.

    "If a man is attracted to boys, that is by definition a gay attraction."

    Not really, since they are often hetero with women and have no attraction to men. Paedophiles are just another category entirely. But this is a side issue anyway.

    Where’s the evidence that the ‘biased’ won’t accept?

  93. Absolutely right Gosh.

    SHAME on you Phantom. You’re speading more vile falsehoods while you still haven’t provided the evidence Frank and I requested. You are losing credibility by the second.

  94. Frank, Drunk

    Its not a side issue. The priestly molesters could easily ( probably much easier ) have had access to adult women, but instead they chose young boys

    And there is the distubing fact of this NAMBLA with no man-girl or woman-girl or woman-boy equivalent. How do you explain that one away? A molesting tradition going all the way to the Greeks?

  95. Phantom

    It is a side issue. There are heterosexual molestors and heterosexuals are still allowed to adopt.

    There is also ‘cinderella syndrome’, where you are more likely to be generally abused or subject to violence if you are adopted than otherwise – hence all the screening.

    What you need to show is that homosexuals are worse adoptive parents than are adoptive heterosexuals, and not just repeatedly assert it. So I’m sure you will shortly get around to supplying some of this evidence that the ‘biased’ won’t accept.

    Or was the vigorous handwaving about molestation all you had?

  96. Frank

    For someone who came up so very weak on the Muslim immigration question, you’re fairly prosecutorial at the moment. You may want to lower your profile, and muse about the poor performance on the other thread. Say 10 Hail Marys, and re-emerge in a few days, a sadder but wiser man.

    Besides its not a side issue

    Drunken

    I’m busy seeking an Order of Protection from the coppers.from you. You’re so scary!

  97. Try as you may to bullshit me into submission the fact remains that you made the contention so you must back it up.

    Franck is quite right, there is no evidence gay parents do a worse job. None at all, anywhere. Disagree? Then cite evidence to that effect if you expect to be taken seriously.

    Still no answer… I think we know why!

  98. Lets see your evidence tough guy

    I’m claiming there’s an absense of evidence. Think I’m wrong, then show me evidence. Simple really, except that you can’t.

  99. DC

    What type of parents did you have? What gender were they? I want to get to the root of your problems. Lets kill two birds with the one stone

  100. Phantom,

    Come on now, let’s have the evidence that dare not speak its name.

  101. Gosh!,

    "We really do not know the implications if any of the social affects on large numbers of children being raised in homosexual homes. While it may be good for specific children in certain instances will it work for society in the long term. Such things must concern us."

    Yes it’s to some extent true that we don’t know the implications if any. They might be bad, they might be good. The only defensible thing to assume in the meantime, scientifically and morally, is that they are neutral – i.e. no better or worse than a comparable hetero couple.

    After all, we’ve enough experience with ill informed bigotry and unthinking hatred of homosexuals and others to know the long term consequences of that.

  102. Franck is quite right, there is no evidence gay parents do a worse job. None at all, anywhere. Disagree? Then cite evidence to that effect if you expect to be taken seriously.

    Still no response Phantom. I’d have some bit of respect for you if you had the good grace to concede defeat but you do not even have that.

    One more go: ANY EVIDENCE? lol!!

  103. Just changed the spelling of my name, so as not to be confused with the other Seamus….

    For the ‘gulpin’ who called me a raving lunatic…that I am not….all the raving lunatics were baring their arses in Belfast on Saturday…what a lot of jokers…..obviously their parents threw out the baby and kept the afterbirth.

  104. Drunken Bum

    Since you raised your girlie-man fists at the benificient Phantom, I burst out in laughter at the very thought of you. Its hard to take you seriously. It’ll pass some day. Now get the hell out of here.

  105. I see the Queer Defenders [could be QDA – Queer Defenders Association, a match for the UDA and Al Quada] haven’t responded to my last posting. Ah, well I’ll wait…they’re probably stilling putting on their make-up !!

  106. Frank O’Dwyer said:

    I don’t think Philip really believes even the part he quoted:

    Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    …as according to that debate is in the same company as murder and we’re all screwed.

    I never knew whispering was so bad either.

    The word "whisperer" in the text means a secret slanderer or detractor. The word "debate" means strife – contention, wrangling, metaphorically it means , love of strife.

    Therefore these are sins. The Bible says that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6: 23)

    One sin is enough to make us a sinner, and sin will bring about eternal death, unless we repent and ask the Lord to save us.

    Scouseprouds said:
    These people who quote the Bible, do they believe it all or just those bits which reinforce their dislikes against Gays or others ?
    Exodus 21.17 "And he that curseth his mother or father shall surely be put to death" whose going to escape "death "then?

    You hit the nail on the head ! We are all sinners ! And we shall not escape eternal death unless we come to Jesus Christ in repentance.

    Now is the day of Grace. God is giving man the opportunity to repent.

    2nd Corinthians 6 v 2: "behold NOW is the day of salvation."

    Hebrews 9: 27: "It is appointed unto men once to die, but AFTER THIS the judgement."

    John 3: 16: "For God so loved the world, that HE gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

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