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At long last, the UK’s idiotic presence in Afghanistan is coming to an end. Combat operations ended this weekend, the Union Flag has been lowered at Camp Bastion and control given to Afghan forces. All UK military personel will be out of the country in weeks.

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That’s the curtain drawn on 13 years of folly, which began with then Defence Secretary John Reid  hoping that the British mission would go off “without a shot being fired.”

Since then 453 British personel have been killed, thousands have been maimed, wounded and damaged mentally and emotionally, and a vast amount of treasure squandered. The death toll will rise much higher with all the suicides to come.

The politicians will pretend there have been gains and it will all be lies. Nothing has been achieved in Afghanistan, not one tangible benefit can be recognised. Five minutes after all coalition forces are gone the Afghan army will crumble like the expensively trained and equipped Iraqi army has crumbled, and Afghanistan will be right back where it was.

I sincerely wish the very worst on all the criminals and fantasists who caused it.

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23 thoughts on “A CALAMITOUS, CRIMINAL WASTE

  1. …..and Afghanistan will be right back where it was.

    Not quite. The British Army is being replaced by other corproate enforcers to protect the drugs trade.

  2. 100% correct Pete.

    While I have no great love for the British Army it’s always sad to see young lives being so cynically wasted on things which are so obviously futile.

  3. Not as big a disaster as Iraq, but not far behind it. We will live with the consequences for decades.

  4. Unlike Iraq, there were always sound and honest arguments for an invasion of Afghanistan.

  5. Correct

    Very many here, including Obama, supported the Afghanistan action , while never supporting the Iraq invasion.

  6. Unlike Iraq, there were always sound and honest arguments for an invasion of Afghanistan

    Yes – there was a cave from where a vicious criminal mastermind created and controlled attacks on the US – and with no electronic infrastructure either! And when the US wanted the taliban to hand over this evil-doer, the taliban asked for evidence – and none was forthcoming:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

    President George Bush rejected as “non-negotiable” an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.
    Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban “turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over.” He added, “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty”. In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir – the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime – told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: “we would be ready to hand him over to a third country”.

    The key word is ‘evidence’ and not ‘proof’. Even today, the FBI admits that there is no evidence of OBL’s involvement in 9/11, and therefore no reason to attack Afghanistan in 2001 – apart from the taliban’s destruction of the opium crop.

  7. Over the period, the death toll for UK forces works out between one and two a week, and by any historical measure that’s astonishingly low.
    We lost nearly half that number in 3 weeks in the Falklands conflict!

    Just trying to get some perspective, and lighten the mood a bit.

  8. Barnard

    Many lives were saved thanks to the brilliant medical care and fast attention they received. It is the numbers of injured, that we must look too. Not just the physically but, the mentally.

    It will be some time when the true story comes out. But it is not just the politicians that are to blame, the Generals need shooting. Sending people into harms way without the proper kit etc. Too busy procuring expensive equipment to fight a third world war, rather than the one they are in. The list of shame goes on.

  9. There were legitimate reasons for going into afghanistan, and the UK and it’s allies tried for the most part to turn the country over to a decent government. Sadly there was none to be had.

  10. Phantom – what were the ‘legitimate’ reasons for invading Afghanistan? If there were so many and so convincing, you would have no difficulty in providing a short summary.

    Btw – Richard Gage or Russell Brand: who would present the most powerful case for controlled demolition on 9/11? In other words, who would NOT get on the BBC?

  11. As bad as Iraq and Saddam were, the country was still a functioning state and its tyrant leader was at least rational according to his own world view. Distasteful as it might have been to deal with such a bastard, he was still someone you could talk to and reach some arrangement with.

    Afghanistan on the other hand was a totally different situation. It wasn’t a functioning state; its “government” was a coterie of religious lunatics who were not interested in administering their territory, but only in imposing a medieval fairy-tale on everyone, killing women in football fields in front of cheering crowds and blowing up thousand-year-old statutes and destroying relics of human history.

    They also left their country open to the really bad guys, who used the venue to plan and practise attacks on innocent people in half a dozen countries.
    Whatever new regime or system was to be installed there, it had to be better than Taliban rule.

    The invasion was justified by 9-11 alone, but there were other reasons too. Whether or not that invasion was a success doesn’t alter the fact that there was always a need to end the Taliban madness.

  12. ….Taliban madness

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

    President George Bush rejected as “non-negotiable” an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.
    Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban “turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over.” He added, “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty”. In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir – the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime – told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: “we would be ready to hand him over to a third country”.

    To me, asking for evidence of criminality of an accused man prior to handing him over to external authorities is quite sound, whereas “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty” is the ranting of the front-man for a criminal empire. Let’s emphasise:

    “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty”

    And to date, the FBI states that there is no evidence linking OBL to 9/11.

  13. The Taliban spoke in bad faith.

    You and Pete think that the Taliban are just another government which had just another legal system.

    Well, no.

  14. It’s not so much what the Taliban said that’s of greatest concern, it’s these words and who said them:

    “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty”

  15. There are degrees of madness. Just because Bush was mentally undeveloped doesn’t mean the Taleban weren’t stark raving mad.

    9-11 was also a war-like act by one state-supported group against another state, and at that level the normal proof required by peacetime law doesn’t apply.
    The Yanks didn’t need legal proof that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbour before declaring war.

    To continue my comparision: Saddam had also been almost completely defanged by 2003 and was no longer a threat to any other country.
    The Taleban, however, were just getting into gear, and had the potential to create mayhem at home and abroad that only religious fanaticism gives. The Taleban probably would in time have turned into an institutionalised ISIS.

  16. The President of the United States, the ‘land of the free’ said:

    “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty”

    That was not said by the Taliban though it is exactly the sort of justice that the taliban imposed. Therefore US = taliban.

    And to date, the FBI states that there is no evidence linking OBL to 9/11.

  17. What’s the point of discussing an issue 13 years gone?

    Seriously.

    Why bother trading tit for tat on this extremely stale issue?

  18. You’d better never go to Northern Ireland, Daphne – there they still trade tit for tat on issues over 300 years old 🙂

  19. What’s the point of discussing an issue 13 years gone?

    Seriously

    Tell that to the jews – seriously

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