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Why has so much journalism succumbed to propaganda? Why are censorship and distortion standard practice? Why is the BBC so often a mouthpiece of rapacious power? Why do the New York Times and the Washington Post deceive their readers?

Why are young journalists not taught to understand media agendas and to challenge the high claims and low purpose of fake objectivity? And why are they not taught that the essence of so much of what’s called the mainstream media is not information, but power?

These are urgent questions. The world is facing the prospect of major war, perhaps nuclear war – with the United States clearly determined to isolate and provoke Russia and eventually China. This truth is being turned upside down and inside out by journalists, including those who promoted the lies that led to the bloodbath in Iraq in 2003.

The times we live in are so dangerous and so distorted in public perception that propaganda is no longer, as Edward Bernays called it, an “invisible government”. It is the government. It rules directly without fear of contradiction and its principal aim is the conquest of us: our sense of the world, our ability to separate truth from lies.

This is a strong piece by John Pilger on the lies and propaganda which blanket western reporting, particularly in the “liberal” media. (Where he veers off into economic reporting he ges awry, but he’s strong on politics and war.) He’s rightly worried about how the very same journalists and propaganda which enabled the Iraq War is now at work conditioning Western minds into an acceptance of conflict with Russia. The suppression of the truth about Ukraine is what he describes as “one of the most complete news blackouts I can remember”.

Do read it all.

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67 thoughts on “PILGER: THE POWER OF THE PRO-WAR LIBERAL MEDIA

  1. Auberon Waugh coined the term “to Pilger” meaning to make “extravagant and emotive language to make a bogus political point”. Pilger Pilgers a lot. His whitewashing of Russia should be seen in the context of his previous denial of war crimes committed by Slobodon Milosevic, in which he played the same game- denying/minimising the atrocities committed by the side perceived as hostile to the West (even claiming that no mass garaves of Albanians had ever been found) and fulminating over the alleged crimes of the victims.

  2. To offer an article by Pilger is to offer an a performance artist of anti-Western sophistry.

  3. We need more great journalists like Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones.

    That would show the globalists.

  4. Allan- mass graves have been found throughout Kosovo, I’m not aware of any in Pristina itself, although at least one within four miles of the place.

  5. Ross – I had to ask because when one actually looks behind what one is told, one sees contrasting information such as James Rubin of the State Department declaring that 100,000 Albanian men are being held in Pristina Stadium – and then a reporter actually went to teh stadium and found it empty. Yes – a reporter got off his arse and went down and checked the accuracy or otherwise of a bulletin of the State Department, as described in Chapter 2.
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zrBnGfgcLIEC&pg=PA21&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

  6. I asssumed it would be a talking point along those lines- focusing on one extremely specific and minor claim that turned out to be incorrect in order to avoid the central point.

  7. This is a good article on Kosovo with excellent references:

    http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/elich/carving.html

    The plan calls for supporting Montenegro’s secession from Yugoslavia, as well as expanded CIA and DIA contacts with the Yugoslav right-wing opposition, with the overthrow of the left-wing government as its goal. “Clinton is doing this right now,” said a White House source, “and it’s beginning at a local level.”(2) “It’s a cornerstone of our policy in the Balkans,” said U.S. State Department spokesman James Rubin, “to promote democracy….”- a euphemism for capitalism. Along those lines, “We are spending $15 million in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, including $2 million for independent TV.”(3) Most of the funds to the opposition are channeled through such organizations as the National Endowment for Democracy and the National Democratic Institute. Significant financial assistance to the opposition is also provided by the European Union and George Soros’ Open Society Institute.(4)

    Wherever there’s trouble, there’s a ‘philanthropist’ and this one is George Soros, but he clearly saw a business opportunity and the Serbs were in the way:

    The bulk of the KLA’s financing for arms purchases derives from the drug trade. A report in the Swedish press points out that “it is mainly Kosovo Albanian rings that organize heroin smuggling into the Nordic area…. They have pushed other groups out of competition from portions of the European market.” Swedish police report that up to 90 percent of heroin seized in Sweden “can be linked to Kosovo Albanian rings.”(11) Last June, a nation-wide police sweep in Italy netted 100 drug traffickers, including members of a Kosovar Albanian mafia. Profits from the sales of drugs were used to purchase arms in Italy, which were then shipped to Kosovo.(12) A report by the German Federal Criminal Agency states, “Ethnic Albanians are now the most prominent group in the distribution of heroin in Western consumer countries.”(13)

  8. Ross – the book linked shows the entire Kosovo ‘genocide’ to be a fraud but it allowed NATO to attack Serbia. That’s all it needed – a pretext.

  9. Can anyone actually disagree with Pilger’s article?

    He perfectly illustrates how the entirely contrived Iraq invasion has spawned the rise of Isis, and whole middle east conflagration.
    Can anyone seriously doubt that?

    Logically, Pilger goes on to suggest that the same ‘forces’ have now turned their attention to the Ukraine, a highly localised civil war which the West is hellbent on inflaming into a much broader eastern European conflict.

    There’s a deliberate pattern to all this, and the US is the driving force behind it. Anyone who still thinks that Uncle Sam only seeks peace is living in a bygone age.
    It’s all changed now.

  10. Rather amusingly “the Emperors Clothes” is the same genocide denial website this site’s previous champion nutcase Felix Quigley used to cite almost a decade ago, although he was cartoonishly pro Jewish rather than anti. Strange bedfollows.

  11. Ross – did you support NATO’s bombing of Serbia? I did because I was conditioned by the media reporting to believe that Serbs were massacring Albanians. It turns out not to have been the case, but the exercise worked. Using the same template, one can now read of how Putin is a monster hell-bent on invading all othe rcountries and sending over nuclear-armed bombers – that’s what we’re told:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933765/Russian-nuclear-bombers-Britain-scared.html

    Russian nuclear bombers over Britain and why we should all be VERY scared.
    This week, two Russian Bear Tu-95s were intercepted over Bournemouth
    A show of strength by Vladimir Putin, it is a threat that needs addressed.

    There it is – we should be very scared and the threat of Putin needs to be addressed. Now that is what we are told – OK? But a comment posted says:

    keithm, bournemouth, 11 hours ago
    i live in bournemouth and listen to bournemouth air traffic control on my airband radio, no such aircraft were reported to be in bournemouth airspace on the day in question and this was backed up by military radar. more fear, lies and war propaganda.

  12. All the newspapers are at it Allan.
    I read an article in the Independent this afternoon by some air-headed woman who included an insane picture of Putin with almost blood spurting out of his mouth.
    The article was of such monstrous exaggeration it was laughable.
    The readers thought so too, and gave it a poor rating.
    (I can’t find the article now. Probably pulled).

  13. Ross

    I totally agree with your 9.22. To see Putin’s Russia as victim rather than agressor is ludicrous. Excusing its annexation of Crimea equates to excusing Germany for annexing Sudetenland in 1938.

  14. an insane picture of Putin with almost blood spurting out of his mouth.

    Maybe not so insane, as we are seeing from the Litvenenko murder enquiry:

    “The court also heard that Mr Litvinenko believed Vladimir Putin had links to organised crime in his earlier career. Mr Litvinenko came into contact with the now-Russian president in 1998 when Putin was head of the FSB, Russia’s secret service. Mrs Litvinenko told the inquiry: “On his position of deputy mayor of St Petersburg, Sasha [Alexander Litvinenko] believed he [Putin] was involved in some criminal conduct.”

  15. The world is facing the prospect of major war, perhaps nuclear war – with the United States clearly determined to isolate and provoke Russia and eventually China.

    Absolute idiotic bullshit.

    No one in the US/NATO etc is spoiling for war with Russia or China.

    Putin is an aggressor – focus on his aggression against much weaker neighbors if you would.

  16. Ross – rather amusingly, you provide no evidence in support of your opinions.

    I linked to at least some of the evidence for mass graves, and you continued to blithely assert that it wasn’t the case that Serbian forces were massacring Albanians. Along with trying to divert every conversation on to whatever your fresh obsession is (usually what you read on the internet last week), bad faith questioning, using zero credibility sources for back up, lying and desperate evasiveness when you have been caught out- ignoring and refusing to address actual evidence is how you operate.

  17. Ross – there were reports of mass graves just as there were reports of 100,000 Albanian captives in Pristina Stadium. When these were investigated, they were found to be non-existent, somewhat like the Russian nuclear bomber ober Bournemouth.

    Now think – does a Russian bomber carrying a nuclear weapon over Bournemouth and the English south coast not merit a more drastic response than an article in The Daily Mail? To take such an action as flying over England with a nuclear weapon is effectively casus belli – and that is why the report is a lie. Nonetheless, it is succeeding as one sees from the desperate responses above. here is an example:

    A@A mentioned that

    James Rubin of the State Department declared that 100,000 Albanian men are being held in Pristina Stadium – and then a reporter actually went to the stadium and found it empty.

    Ross stated that A@A was

    ….focusing on one extremely specific and minor claim that turned out to be incorrect

    100,000 prisoners in a stadium is not a minor claim though it is easily verifiable by the incredible satellite technology that the US has – which is why the State Department was lying. Carrying a nuclear bomb over England’s south coast cities is not a minor action – that’s why it must be a lie. I can’t decide whether those who tell these lies are worse than those who believe them.

  18. Rather than harking back on what happened in the 1990’s, it would be appreciated if readers commented on Pilger’s excellent essay. Thanks.

  19. I spoke to what Pilger said. He wrote those lines like an RT hack, or like a breathless Putin-worshipping blogger, following the Kremlin line without once considering that it might not be true.

  20. Serbia and Croatia did NOT commit genocide against each other after the collapse of Yugoslavia, the UN’s top criminal court rules
    International Court of Justice said Serbia committed widespread crimes
    But the 17-judge panel has ruled that they did not amount to genocide
    Court also rejected Serb claim that Croatia committed genocide in 1995
    Allegations stem from wars sparked by break-up of Yugoslavia in 1990s

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937733/Serbia-did-NOT-commit-genocide-against-Croatia-collapse-Yugoslavia-s-criminal-court-rules.html#ixzz3QgMSpSEF

  21. Phantom

    Whatever you may think of Putin, do you think it is fair, or even wise, to subject the whole population of Russia to a severe drop in their living standards?

    I know you’ll say something like ‘get rid of Putin and the sanctions will come off’, but what if he’s replaced by someone more hawkish? Someone who refuses to give back Crimea? which is likely.
    I’m sure the people of Russia know all about Putin and his past. Does that make them similar to him? He still remains popular you know, whatever his failings.

    I tell thee Phantom, push Russia to the brink of bankruptcy and China will not stand idly by to watch its refreshed economic partner go down the pan.

  22. …perhaps it’s just envy Harri.
    I wonder how many of those who voted actually live in London?
    Tourists repeatedly rate London at the top of their visit list.

    However, it is far and away too crowded, but still remains the world’s greatest mecca for just about everything.

  23. Bernard, on February 3rd, 2015 at 1:20 PM Said:

    …perhaps it’s just envy Harri.

    I doubt it Bernard ..

    Every year thousands of Londoners leave the city in search of a gentler lifestyle. But with London encircled by dozens of thriving towns offering easy access for commuters, the big question is which area to choose.

    In research carried out exclusively for London Property, online property resource whathouse.co.uk looked into homebuyers’ top priorities, including more space, lower crime, good transport and high-quality schools. Sheila Prophet finds the five best places to live around the M25

    Harpenden

    City escapees seeking a traditional English village atmosphere will find 1,000-year-old Harpenden in Hertfordshire hard to beat.

    With its attractive tree-lined centre, an abundance of green spaces, including the 238 acre common, and a number of thriving sports clubs and well-regarded cricket team.

    The town, which is 28 minutes from King’s Cross Station, is also home to two of England’s best-performing state schools, Sir John Lawes and St George’s, and the popular private primary, Beechwood Park. Harpenden offers a range of substantial £1 million-plus properties, including some adjacent to the two golf courses, and developers like Beechwood Homes are specifically targeting this market, offering new five-beds priced from £1.25 million.

    However, the average house price is about £370,000. Small modern houses can still be found for under £300,000 in Southdown and Batford. “The market here is better than it’s been for five years,” says Tim Pearse of Lane Fox.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/3351270/The-five-best-towns-around-the-M25.html

  24. Bernard

    What alternative Russia policy do you propose?

    Again, I’ve criticized US policy towards Russia, from the Yeltsin era, when US and others treated Russia as a defeated power. And I’ve criticized the expansion of NATO endlessly east, which was indeed against what Russia correctly had been promised by US.

    But we are where we are – and Russia has been predatory against Ukraine, and continues to be a predator against a weak and feckless neighbor.

    Do you propose to nothing while the slow motion war against Ukraine continues? I know that’s what the brain deads here want, but what do you propose?

  25. Phantom – you are endeavoring to reason with people who are uninterested in reason, who are uninterested in facts and whose purpose is to infest the site with conspiracy nonsense.

  26. I am astonished that educated people really think like this.

    They talk about thinking freely outside the box but they are the most blinkered people here. They can’t conceive of thinking outside the box.

  27. Pahntom – at 12.19am above, I posted a link to the Phantom-approved Daily Mail and we were told to be scared because nuclear-armed bombers were intercepted by the RAF over Bournemouth, England. A look at the map shows that in order to get to Bournemouth, these nuclear-armed aircarft had to fly over England. This is an astonishing assault which is effectively an act of war and there should be the gravest consequences for Russia – yet all there is is a report in The Daily Mail.

    Do you believe that Russian, nuclear-armed bombers flew over England? Should Britons be scared and how should we deal with the threat of Mad Vlad?

    Bear in mind – this states that nuclear-armed bombers flew over England:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933765/Russian-nuclear-bombers-Britain-scared.html

    Russian nuclear bombers over Britain and why we should all be VERY scared.
    This week, two Russian Bear Tu-95s were intercepted over Bournemouth
    A show of strength by Vladimir Putin, it is a threat that needs addressed.

  28. Mahons, on February 3rd, 2015 at 1:56 PM Said:

    Phantom – you are endeavoring to reason with people who are uninterested in reason, who are uninterested in facts and whose purpose is to infest the site with conspiracy nonsense.

    Says the man who actually believes beyond any shadow of a doubt, a man in a cave was behind the 9/11 ‘attacks’ .. oh the delicious irony 😉

  29. Ross – there were reports of mass graves just as there were reports of 100,000 Albanian captives in Pristina Stadium. When these were investigated, they were found to be non-existent

    This is a lie. Investigations have uncovered mass graves of Albanians in Kosovo:

    In October 1999 a German team found a mass grave in Orahovac.

    In 2001 Serbian investigators uncovered five mass graves within Serbia, that contained Albanian victims.

    In 2007 the Serbian government uncovered another mass grave in the no mans land between Kosovo and Serbia.

    In 2010 the yet another mass grave in Serbia, just over the border from Kosovo, was uncovered.

    When you and Pilger claim no mass graves were found you are straightforwardly lying. Again.

  30. Says the man who actually believes beyond any shadow of a doubt, a man in a cave was behind the 9/11 ‘attacks’

    What do the housing arrangements of terrorist leaders have to do with the capabilities of their organizations?

    If OBL and KBL lived in luxury condos somewhere, would this have changed anything?

    Exceptionally strange thinking.

  31. Exceptionally strange thinking.

    What do the housing arrangements of terrorist leaders have to do with the capabilities of their organizations?

    If OBL and KBL lived in luxury condos somewhere, would this have changed anything?

    Indeed.

  32. I can understand why some actually believe the ‘official’ story, it is every bit as plausible as some of the best works of Walt Disney, and is perfectly acceptable to those who simply wish to continue in their delusion that governments, militaries, and security services, are comprised of upright, moral, honest, and thoroughly humanitarian people. 😉

  33. Phantom –

    What’s the blockage in your head?

    I am astonished that educated people really think like this.

    You can see that Russia had no issue with Ukraine when Krushchev re-drew the boundaries 60 years ago.

    You can see that Russia had no issue with Ukraine when communism failed and the SU broke up. It had no issue with Ukraine when the West promised that NATO would not expand beyond East Germany. It had no issue with Ukraine even as NATO broke the promise and annexed former Warsaw Pact countries.

    You admit all this, but cannot see the issue arose immediately after NATO tried to annexe Ukraine. You even admit that Ukraine is regarded as a buffer, one which Russia will not accept falling to NATO. You can see all of this. You can see even that NATO overthrew the previous government and almost snaffled all of Ukraine (don’t pretend otherwise; the evidence is explicit and undeniable).

    Yet you cannot connect these obvious dots? Bang your head against a wall. Something’s stuck in there.

  34. If OBL and KBL lived in luxury condos somewhere, would this have changed anything?

    But they did.

    They lived in many sophisticated, multi-layered, underground lairs complete with aircon and ventilation systems, secret entrances, vast storage space and even hydroelectric power.

    Donald Rumsfeld told us so, so it must be true.

  35. That is an impressive dug-out Donald, that must have been some bucket and spade .. ‘spade’ can you still say that in this brave new world? 😉

  36. NATO didn’t try to annex anything, you chowderhead.

    You might want to differ from Putin on at least some of this stuff, so as to pretend that there is some independent thinking going on.

    I criticize many here besides Russia – including the US, NATO, and Ukraine. You march in lockstep with RT Verbiage with zero deviation.

  37. I criticize many here besides Russia – including the US, NATO, and Ukraine. You march in lockstep with RT Verbiage with zero deviation.

    Can we grow up and leave the playground?

    If I march in lockstep with RT then so do such diverse commentators as Henry Kissinger, Peter Hitchens, John Pilger, John Mearsheimer, Stephan Cohen and Vaclav Havel.

  38. Kissinger did not say that NATO was trying to annex Ukraine.

    Yes, do leave the playground and speak soberly.

    Thats a good plan

  39. If I march in lockstep with RT then so do such diverse commentators as Henry Kissinger, Peter Hitchens, John Pilger, John Mearsheimer, Stephan Cohen and Vaclav Havel.

    I very much doubt Vaclav Havel ever said anything remotely resembling that. He was a pretty consistent opponent of tyranny.

  40. I very much doubt Vaclav Havel ever said anything remotely resembling that. He was a pretty consistent opponent of tyranny.

    You are right, he did not get on very well with any of the EU masters.

  41. Ross, on February 3rd, 2015 at 10:08 PM Said:

    Harri- he took the Czech Republic into the EU.

    I don’t think he had much choice.

  42. //I don’t think he had much choice.//

    Well, after almost 80 percent of Czechs voted to join the EU, he probably didn’t.

    //are you and Pete not confusing Vaclav Havel with Vaclav Klaus?//

    Looks like it. Klaus is a strong admirer of Putin; he has also said that the EU is a worse tyranny than the old Soviet Union (or words to that effect).

  43. Havel spoke out strongly for EU membership. He didn’t go with the flow, he led the flow.

    The always clueless are clueless here because why should today be different than any other day.

  44. And here’s how much he loved Putin:

    Czech president Vaclav Havel welcomed a German panel’s decision Saturday to retract a role model prize, the same he received in 2009, from Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

    “Vaclav Havel thinks it was very wise of the panel to reconsider its choice,” Havel’s secretary Sabina Tancevova told AFP.

    “The award should be given to people like Anna Politkovskaya or Sergei Kovalov or Liu Xiaobo — people who devoted their lives to protection of human rights and freedoms and promoting democracy,” she added.

    The German media reported earlier that Havel wanted to return his award in protest at Putin’s nomination.

  45. This is a lie. Investigations have uncovered mass graves of Albanians in Kosovo:

    In October 1999 a German team found a mass grave in Orahovac.

    In 2001 Serbian investigators uncovered five mass graves within Serbia, that contained Albanian victims.

    In 2007 the Serbian government uncovered another mass grave in the no mans land between Kosovo and Serbia.

    In 2010 the yet another mass grave in Serbia, just over the border from Kosovo, was uncovered.

    Ross – “225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59 are missing, presumed dead,” the U.S. ambassador-at-large David Scheffer had claimed, prior to the start of NATO’s ‘humanitarian’ bombing of Serbia and

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/aug/18/balkans3

    When Yugoslav forces withdrew from Kosovo in June last year, Nato spokesmen estimated that the Serbs had killed at least 10,000 civilians. While the bombing was under way William Cohen, the US defence secretary, announced that 100,000 Kosovo Albanian men of military age were missing after being taken from columns of families being deported to Albania and Macedonia. “They may have been murdered,” he said.

    In three months of digging this summer, the tribunal’s international forensic experts found 680 bodies at 150 sites. This was in addition to the 2,108 bodies found at 195 sites last year before exhumations were called off because of winter frosts. “By October we expect to have enough evidence to end the exhumations by foreign teams, and they will not be necessary next year,” Mr Risley added.

    Although the tribunal has received reports of another 350 suspected grave sites, it believes the cost and effort of uncovering them would not be justified. Some suspicious mounds or patches of rough earth in fields where villagers reported a foul stench turned out to contain dead animals or to be empty.

    680 bodies at 150 sites; 2,108 bodies found at 195 sites. Mass graves? Cases of retribution against terrorists, I’d reckon, and the KLA really are terrorists – but whose terrorists?

    I just wonder who is in those graves discovered in Kosovo after 2000.

  46. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/12/warcrimes.kosovo

    Carla Del Ponte, the ex-chief prosecutor for war crimes in former Yugoslavia, has unleashed a storm of recrimination with allegations of a trade in human body parts in Kosovo and Albania after Nato bombed Serbia in 1999.

    Del Ponte claims, based on what she describes as credible reports and witnesses, that Kosovan Albanian guerrillas transported hundreds of Serbian prisoners into northern Albania where they were killed, and their organs “harvested” and trafficked out of Tirana airport.

    The Kosovan government, now headed by the former guerrilla leader Hashim Thaci, dismisses the claims as untrue, while Serbia and Russia are demanding a war crimes investigation into the allegations. Del Ponte, now a Swiss ambassador, has been ordered to keep silent by the Swiss government.

    Phantom – at 12.19am above, I posted a link to the Phantom-approved Daily Mail and we were told to be scared because nuclear-armed bombers were intercepted by the RAF over Bournemouth, England. A look at the map shows that in order to get to Bournemouth, these nuclear-armed aircarft had to fly over England. This is an astonishing assault which is effectively an act of war and there should be the gravest consequences for Russia – yet all there is is a report in The Daily Mail.

    Do you believe that Russian, nuclear-armed bombers flew over England? Should Britons be scared?

  47. The Serbs committed vast war crimes in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo.
    Even Serbs themselves are now slowly beginning to admit as much.

  48. Pete, this comment is rather off topic considering the insanity that has ensued on this thread but here goes….

    I cannot fathom your fondness for Putin. The man’s a thug, a tyrant, a former high level KGB operative and new best friend of mafia style corporate oligarchs and corrupt political lackeys. He imprisons people for speaking their mind or challenging his political policies. He intentionally keeps the vast majority of Russian people living desperate, impoverished lives that are massively restricted by government policies specifically designed to keep them frightened, hungry and compliant.

    He is absolutely everything you despise as a Libertarian.

    I have Russian expat neighbors, a UT Physicist professor and his painter wife, they don’t begin to share your admiring view of Putin and neither do their extended family members still living (trapped) in Russia.

  49. Well, after almost 80 percent of Czechs voted to join the EU, he probably didn’t.

    //are you and Pete not confusing Vaclav Havel with Vaclav Klaus?//

    Well spotted Noel.

    You are correct, my apologies, if only everyone was not as clueless as you.

  50. Noel Cunning, on February 3rd, 2015 at 11:54 PM Said:
    The Serbs committed vast war crimes in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo.

    I just showed at 11.49pm that the Serbs didn’t commit “vast” war crimes – although nobody will deny that the Balkans war was dirty. The greatest casualties were inflicted by NATO’s ‘humanitarian’ bombing which was based on a lie. And then who exactly is in the graves in Kosovo? My comment at 11.51pm gives an indication.

    This is the template being used today to get the masses in agreement with waging war on Russia, or Iran, or any country which may attempt to break away from using the petro-dollar.

  51. I just showed at 11.49pm that the Serbs didn’t commit “vast” war crimes

    No you didn’t, you tried to evade the point that the Serbians committed vast war crimes by finding a quote from someone that overstated the scale of the massacres, and then lied about the actual victims being terrorists.

    The greatest casualties were inflicted by NATO’s ‘humanitarian’ bombing

    Another lie, most reliable estimates for civilian casualties of NATO’s bombing are around 1000 military as estimated by Serbia and 500 civilians as estimated by Human Rights Watch. In comparison around 10000 Albanian civilians were killed along with a couple of hundred civilians.

    I honestly don’t believe I have ever come across someone who lies as brazenly and relentlessly as you, it is pathological.

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