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Here is Charles Krauthammer commenting on the Naïvety of Rand Paul after he channeled his father the other day  blaming the US and the Republicans in particular for ISIS.

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HUGH HEWITT, HOST: And so Charles Krauthammer, who’s right in this spectrum of explanations for ISIS?

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: You know, sometimes, Ron Paul’s ignorance really astonishes me.

HEWITT: You mean Rand Paul?

KRAUTHAMMER: Excuse me, yes. That’s a Freudian slip right there.

Yeah, Rand Paul’s, actually, both of them, but Ron’s innocent on this one. He says, you know, these guys, Lindsey Graham wanted to bomb Assad, which somehow contributes to the growth of ISIS. Is he aware of the fact that until this week, or it was last week when ISIS took over Palmyra, ISIS had not once taken a city or a town from the Assad government. Every place it has taken over was swallowing up territory from anti-Assad insurgents, some religious, some jihadist, some secular, some sort of pro-Western, you would say. That’s where their growth has been.

He doesn’t even understand that ISIS and the Assad government, until last week when ISIS grew so strong that it could be bold and invade, essentially, Assad territory, Assad and ISIS has had this cozy, tacit, non-aggression agreement, where they essentially split the country in two, and Assad relied on ISIS to swallow up all the anti-Assad opposition. So that’s number one. This is just, if he thinks that we’d be helping ISIS by attacking Assad, we didn’t do it. But that’s not why ISIS rose. It took over in the areas of Syria where there was no government presence.

Number two, the idea that these weapons that we had given, well, that mostly occurred in Mosul. That was the outer region, that’s after ISIS had taken over Syria. That’s after ISIS had already swept into parts of Iraq. And yes, it got a lot of weapons at the end. And I think our policy is misguided to arm the Iraqi Security Forces, which are unreliable, as our own Secretary of Defense has said. They don’t have the will to fight. But that’s not our mistake. The big mistake is saying that it’s not, we should not be refraining from sending weapons.

We should be sending them to the right people, to the Kurds who want to fight and who are pro-American, and to the Sunni Anbar tribes, the few remaining right now, because it’s so late in the game, who are pro-American and desperate for weaponry to fight off ISIS. One of the leaders of the tribe said last week after Ramadi that they have to go out and to purchase their own bullets. What are we doing? Pouring money into a government in Iraq that has an army that doesn’t want to fight, and a government that is heavily influenced by Iran.

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  1. What on earth is Krouthammer talking about? It doesn’t make sense.
    The timeline is not that complicated:
    The USA invaded Iraq in 2003 — withdrew in 2011 leaving an unholy mess and a massive insurgency problem that spread across the whole region — kickstarting the Arab Spring in 2010, and spreading to Syria in 2011; soon to be followed by ISIS.

    So therefore Rand Paul is essentially correct. ISIS is the love-child of the GOP.
    Krouthammer just wants to re-write history.

  2. The Arab Spring started in Tunisia, a country which, like Syria, wasn’t invaded by anyone.

    I’ll trash Bush all day long, but you’re as wrong as the Republican Rewriting History brigade is.

    Bush and Obama repeatedly called for ” democracy ” in the dry soil of the Arab world, but the Arabs were not responding to any western call- many of them wanted to end injustice in their nations. Bush and Obama share blame for much in Iraq, but they didn’t cause Syria, or Egypt, or Yemen, and it is not correct to say that they did.

  3. but it’s easier for those who don’t see the Islamists as the problem, they would rather blames us.

    It doesn’t matter that we were attacked, what matters is we responded. That’s something they can’t and won’t do.

  4. I’m not saying that, only, either.

    Iraq was not any proper response to an attack SH had nothing to do with.

    The US has made errors in the region well before 9/11 also. Aiding the Islamic opposition to the a Russian backed regime in Afghanistan was in hindsight a major error, that caused great damage to Afghans and everyone else. And Carter and Reagan both own that one.

  5. The US is responsible for untold deaths in Iraq. But the slaughter carried out by all sides in Syria, Libya, Egypt, and by Hamas, belongs to the authors alone.

    BTW, interesting to see the recent bomb attacks in Saudi Arabia.

  6. Iraq was not any proper response to an attack SH had nothing to do with.

    Was Iraq a State that supported Terror?

    The war is on Terror and those states that support it. It is not on just those involved in 9/11 and never was.

    So ok your stand is then Bin Laden is dead war over. Gee Ok Mr Democrat. OBL is dead we are all safe nothing to see here lets go home. That’s why you support Obama’s pull out and try to blame it on Bush. You share his flawed view.

    OBL was just one enemy general in an army that spans multiple countries. We have stepped off the battle field and allowed the enemy to concentrate and organize it’s forces.

    but those guys had nothing to do with 9/11 so we should just leave them be, they mean us no harm.

    yeah yeah that’s the ticket….

  7. Was Iraq a State that supported Terror?

    Was it?

    That wasn’t the reason give for the invasion and occupation that cost thousands of your fellow counntrymen’s lives.

  8. The US supported terror when Reagan gave money and guns to the Contras and when Carter and Reagan sent huge aid to the Islamics when they fought Russians in Afghanistan

    By Troll’s logic, the US should have attacked itself for being a state sponsor of terrorism

  9. yes it was Paul.

    You can spin it along the democrat line but the reason for the invasion of Iraq was it was a state that supported terror.

    Was it?

    You’re so confused and brainwashed in your false points of view that you’re trying to put forth doubt that Iraq supported terror…. lol

  10. Itroll is a dead Ender and Master Rewriter on this

    He will always say that Iraq was the best idea ever.

  11. The ‘Demcratic spin’ and my ‘false points’ again:

    It is not too late for the Iraqi military to act with honor and protect your country by permitting the peaceful entry of coalition forces to eliminate weapons of mass destruction

    Unfortunately for your dishonesty it’s there in black & white

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/18/usa.iraq

  12. The US supported terror when Reagan gave money and guns to the Contras and when Carter and Reagan sent huge aid to the Islamics when they fought Russians in Afghanistan

    Shhhh Phantom. He doesn’t like those inconveniences.

  13. Yes these events were ” so long ago” so let’s never talk about them, or what they led to.

  14. The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.

    He could be talking about Saudi Arabia, and they appear to doing just fine as the head of the ‘Axis of evil’

  15. //He could be talking about Saudi Arabia//

    I was just going to say that. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were the states that most supported that particular bout of terror, and the US didn’t raise a finger against them.

  16. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been at the core of the problem for a very long time.

  17. John Kerry has just broken his leg by falling off a bike in France.

    Careful crossing the Brooklyn Bridge, Phantom.

  18. As all cyclists and motorcyclists will tell you, you’re gonna go down sometime.

    Hope he heals fast, if he rides a bike he’s not all bad!

  19. //As all cyclists and motorcyclists will tell you, you’re gonna go down sometime.//

    Or, as the veteran English politician Enoch Powell famously said, all political careers end in tragedy.

  20. yes that’s the second child he has lost. I would be devastated, my heart and prayers go out to him.

  21. Phantom, on May 31st, 2015 at 3:22 PM Said: Edit Comment

    Itroll is a dead Ender and Master Rewriter on this

    He will always say that Iraq was the best idea ever.

    It was not the best Idea it was necessary. Besides the fact that they were and now are once again supporters of terror. Iraq is strategic. It sits right up against Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran. Along with a deep water port.

    The next stage in the War on Terror at the end of the Bush Presidency was Iran. The mission was in motion the planes were in position. The only reason the operation was stopped was because the Democrats leaked a False intelligence report to the NYTs.

    Then as the Military Personnel call it we had the Obama Bugout.

    Now look at what 6 years of the Obama doctrine has achieved. With in 3 years we are going to have to go back and trade american blood for land we already bled for. What Obama did was make every soldiers death for nothing.

    You want to call me a dead ender a rewriter, gee how fancy…. I just call you a fool. The Islamists are at war with us they are not coming they are already here. Obama has given the Islamists huge swaths of the Middle East and is trying to give Iran the bomb.

    But that’s Ok Bush lied kids died… Halliburton…. it’s Bush’s plan…..

    Your a Moran, because you look at the result of 6 1/2 years of Obama and blame Bush.

  22. Moran’s was a good bar south of the WTC. I had a few cocktails there.

    Saddam was a secularist, not any kind of Islamist.

  23. oh excuse me the auto correct didn’t place the right word in place.

    What I love is both you maroooons “oh oh look he spelled a word wrong he used a name instead….”

    Oh such great well thought out and argued retort. I am blown away with your finesse.

    Saddam was a secularist, not any kind of Islamist

    Really ? He wasn’t building hundreds of Mosques? He wasn’t supporting the Sunni Imams ? He made announcements and held positions that didn’t support Islam ?

    I won’t even get into the long list of Terror groups he was funding including giving millions of dollars to the pallies whose family members self destructed to kill jews.

    Please Phantom show us where and when Saddam came out against Islam.

    He may not have been a foam at the mouther, but to say he was not an Islamist denies the facts…. something you do quite often.

  24. Troll — You oaf. Saddam was a practising Muslim, ergo he would hardly “come out against Islam” as you so ridiculously phrase it. He was not any kind of Islamist, however. He actually detested Islamists and often tortured and killed them.

    You need to learn what some of these terms mean.

  25. Obama… is trying to give Iran the bomb.

    Why do you think he’s doing that?

  26. Sending money to the families of suicide murderers was despicable, but that didn’t impact the US and that wasn’t the reason given for the war.

    No serious commentator has called him an Islamist.

    Paying for mosques doesn’t make you an Islamist.

    He did many terrible things, but he was not any threat, terrorist or otherwise, to the United States.

  27. On both issues ( ISIS and NSA ) Rand Paul is on the same page as the lunatic broadcaster Alex Jones.

    Alex Jones is a friend and confident to both Rand and Ron Paul. When he interviews them on the radio, they finish one another’s sentances’

  28. For goodness sake.

    He may not have been a foam at the mouther, but to say he was not an Islamist denies the facts

    All these years later, and the GOP drones still haven’t realised that the Baathist regime and islamists were enemies.

  29. This is what the French tried to warn America about.

    The fact that while SH was horrible, that there were forces much worse than he was that could step into the vacuum.

    The vacuum that we ( US and UK ) created.

  30. All these years later, and the GOP drones still haven’t realised that the Baathist regime and islamists were enemies.

    Yes, it is quite remarkable.

  31. I am sure that you know people in real life like that.

    Who never admit that they were wrong on anything.

    People and organizations have to be able to admit error. Otherwise there is zero chance of learning from experience.

  32. It was not the best Idea it was necessary

    It was sold on a lie that cost thousands of your countrymen’S lives.

    I won’t even get into the long list of Terror groups he was funding including giving millions of dollars to the pallies whose family members self destructed to kill jews

    You did read Phantom’s comments re Carter & Reagan funding the Taliban Muahideen’s jihad & about Reagan funding terrorism in central America didn’t you?

  33. I am sure that you know people in real life like that.

    Who never admit that they were wrong on anything.

    Yup. And it’s a very silly way to be.

  34. That’s not all Phantom. Look what Troll’s heroes’ guys were doing at the behest of Saudi Arabia, the biggest funders of sunni Islamic terrorism in the world. I wonder why SA has never been invaded?

  35. Phantom, on June 1st, 2015 at 5:02 PM Said: Edit Comment

    Sending money to the families of suicide murderers was despicable, but that didn’t impact the US and that wasn’t the reason given for the war.

    No serious commentator has called him an Islamist.

    Paying for mosques doesn’t make you an Islamist.

    He did many terrible things, but he was not any threat, terrorist or otherwise, to the United States.

    Here lets look at this nonsense shall we, sentiment’s not just echoed by phantom BUT BY PETE, PAUL etc the whole wack pac weighing in with idiocy.

    The reason for the war is simple if your to dense to understand it let me explain it. 9/11/2001 period end of explanation.
    “We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.” “It is an enduring American principle that this duty obligates the government to anticipate and counter threats, using all elements of national power, before the threats can do grave damage. The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction — and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy’s attack. There are few greater threats than a terrorist attack with WMD. To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act preemptively in exercising our inherent right of self-defense.”

    First and foremost it is all of you that are the ones that are spinning. It was then and is now a War on Terror, whether that terror is done by a camel jockey or a leprechaun.

    Saddam was a Sunni he supported Islamic terror by giving the money to pallies families. If paying martyr money to the family of suicide bombers isn’t enough to make someone an islamist in your eyes well oh well then your just stupid. If a person provides support for terror they are a terrorist. You go ahead and plead your defense for this man and these type of people. I’ll cheer his death and sick the dogs on everyone like him.

  36. He justifies the errors of GW Bush by quoting GW Bush.

    Well, that’s an interesting strategery.

  37. They weren’t errors.

    But you calling anything Bush did anything but an error…. you suffer from Bush deraignment Obama worship syndrome.

    Your views on the whole subject is a sad joke.

  38. Would you like me to give you the full transcript of George Bush’s war ultimatum speech from the Cross Hall in the White House where he states: It is not too late for the Iraqi military to act with honor and protect your country by permitting the peaceful entry of coalition forces to eliminate weapons of mass destruction again?

    He LIED and it cost thousands of the young lives of those people you supposedly love and honour.

    Saddam was a Sunni he supported Islamic terror by giving the money to pallies families

    Are you just going to ignore the multi millions of dollars given by various American administrations to the Taliban Mujahideen in Afghanistan and the Contra terrorists in central America just because it doesn’t fit with your ‘war on terror’ bullshit?

  39. Are you just going to ignore the multi millions of dollars given by various American administrations to the Taliban Mujahideen in Afghanistan and the Contra terrorists in central America just because it doesn’t fit with your ‘war on terror’ bullshit?

    YES….

  40. YES….

    Sound, your unashamed barefaced hypocriscy discredits you even more.

  41. The reason for the war is simple if your to dense to understand it let me explain it. 9/11/2001 period end of explanation.

    Rubbish, as usual.

    The plans for the invasion pre-dated 9/11. It had been the official policy of Washington to change the Iraqi regime since 1998. Even before then the political establishment had been pretty united in that aim. 9/11 was simply the excuse to put long planned regime change into action.

    Listen to yourself. You say that we’re too dense if we don’t get that 9/11 was the reason for the invasion of Iraq.

    Don’t you have a single brain cell asking why that can be, when not one single person or element of 9/11 had anything to do with 9/11.

    If FDR had acted likwise, he’d have invaded Peru in response to Pearl Harbour.

  42. Don’t you have a single brain cell asking why that can be, when not one single person or element of 9/11 had anything to do with Iraq.

  43. Troll — Paul and Peter are right. Show a bit of curiosity instead of just mindlessly shouting for your ‘team’.

  44. The Troll, on June 2nd, 2015 at 5:29 PM Said:
    Where’s Allan….
    this is right up his ally

    Allans wife passed away.

  45. Harri — Really? I am desperately sorry to hear that. Awful news. May she rest in peace.

  46. Petr

    Allan@Aberdeen, on May 30th, 2015 at 11:19 PM Said:
    Noel Cunning, on May 30th, 2015 at 11:11 AM Said:
    I was beginning to think Allan’s prolonged absence was the result of that same Zionist conspiracy.
    Not a conspiracy but the death of my better-half. I used to believe that the consequences of state-controlled medicine wouldn’t affect me, but they most certainly have.

  47. Harri

    I am sure whatever political differences Petr, or anyone else here has with Allan, none of us will be anything but personally sympathetic to his tragic loss.

  48. Colm, on June 2nd, 2015 at 11:45 PM Said:

    Harri

    I am sure whatever political differences Petr, or anyone else here has with Allan, none of us will be anything but personally sympathetic to his tragic loss.

    Absolutely Colm, and to be perfectly honest, Petr was nothing but polite and respectful when I informed about Allans sad loss.

    The reply was for Trolls benefit in reply to his post.

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