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Today marks the 70th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima and the liberal media are all over it, feeling the “pain” of the Japanese. There is no doubt that this was a momentous event in human history and indeed in the history of warfare. There is no doubt that the scale and nature of the loss of life was absolutely horrendous BUT we must remember that it was brought upon the Japanese by their own decisions and on this day I salute the crew of Enola Gay. They saved untold numbers of ALLIED lives that day and I wish the media would also show that side of it.

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  1. Japan was induced into the war so as to allow the jew-controlled US to get into hostilities with Germany. For months prior to the nuclear attacks, the Japanese had been attempting to surrender but US-military Inc. wanted to test its new toy, against a target which had deliberately NOT been fire-bombed: they needed to gauge the ‘efficiency’ of the A-bomb against traditional fire-bombing. So four Japanese cities were left untouched.

    The crew of Enola Gay were as duped as every other allied serviceman, and the dupes continue to be willingly duped decades after the atrocities of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  2. Allan

    Why would a country which wanted to surrender ‘for months’ not just order its soldiers to stop fighting, lay down their weapons and put their hands in the air?

    This post, and Mikes on the same subject, are cold in the extreme.
    70 years after a bomb was dropped which ended up killing between 99,000 and 166,000 people, and left thousands more injured and sick, David, rather than remember those lost lives, instead decides to praise the American air crew who killed them, and Mike engages in a list of ‘but Whatabouts?’

    ‘Whatabout’ just remembering so many lives lost in the blink of an eye, in an ugly, global conflict in which many more innocent lives were lost than military ones?

  3. Seimi – surrender normally involves terms. For the first time in modern history, a demand for unconditional surrender was imposed on Japan and a country cannnot surrender until and unless the terms and consequences are negotiated – at least, that’s how it was until the Money Power was challenged.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

  4. The bombing of Hiroshima was a very real and dramatic incident that did more than win the war in the Far East, it was a major turnin point in the history of mankind as we know it.

    Until then we had had centuries, if not millenia of war after war, all fought in the same fashion, virtually man-to-man, where the enemy were confronted ‘face-to-face’and it was very much a cae of ‘kill or be killed’. The price of declaring war was well known.

    Hiroshima came as an intellectual – (I’m not sure if that is the right word) – shock, with the realisation that the biggest, in wealth or numbers, was no longer guaranteed to be the winner.

    Everyone, public and military alike, across the globe were stunned that so much damage could be done so comparartively easily. It was a truly cataclysmic event that made world governments think twice about using nuclear as a means of warfare.

    It was also moment when the more intellectual leaders realised that it made us all more vulnerable to any tyrant regime that could lay their hands on such weapons.

    Could these latest ‘agreements’ between the US and Iran be one of those moments when we should all be afraid, very afraid of what the future may hold?

    That we ae doing deals with people who have very different ideals and principles from ourselves, would, I would have thought made the ‘leader of the west’ a bit more circumspect in ‘doing a deal’.

  5. Allan

    I appoint you the king of the USA, and, via the time machine, make it as of December 1 1941.

    How would you react to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor and the subsequent German declaration of war against the US?

    I await the flood of nonsense.

  6. Japan got what it deserved:

    1) It invaded China, a neutral country, killing and executing an estimated 10 million “less than human” people.
    2) Invaded dozens of Pacific islands, enslaving & killing the inhabitants.
    3) Thousands of UK/US PoWs worked and starved to death building railways & bridges.

    Japan was lucky it didn’t get a lot worse.

  7. The atomic bombings were a moral horror, but they absolutely saved lives – Japanese lives included.

    An invasion of the home Japanese islands would have involved millions of deaths. The Japanese spoke of fighting to the last man, and the conduct of their military on Iwo Jima and Okinawa – and the soldiers who stayed hidden for decades after the war – did nothing to change opinion on that.

  8. Phantom – as you saw by opening the link of 12.07pm, the Japanese were solely concerned about the position of the Emperor and, had there been timely guarantees, would have surrendered in June 1945 – but a weapon had to be tested on cities set aside for that purpose so surrender could not be permitted. Your post of 2.29pm would then have been shown for the rubbish that it is and you wouldn’t have posted it anyway.

  9. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 2:29 PM Said:
    The atomic bombings were a moral horror

    So was Napalm in Vietnam.

    Not to mention drones, the rich mans IED’s

  10. Napalm ( or Agent Orange ) was a moral horror, especially as the Vietnamese never wanted to fight the US in the first place.

    Drones are vastly more targeted and moral than those indiscriminate weapons. And yes, I am well aware that they are not perfect.

  11. Harri, on August 6th, 2015 at 4:06 PM Said:
    Funny how Americans think that everyone else is too bat shit crazy and dangerous to allow having nuclear bombs and yet are the only ones who have actually used one in anger.

  12. Drones are vastly more targeted and moral than those indiscriminate weapons. And yes, I am well aware that they are not perfect.

    Yet, we still here ‘IED’s are a cowards way of fighting’

    And drones?

  13. Harri, on August 6th, 2015 at 4:12 PM Said:
    I thought the idea in war, was to target the military, not civilians?

  14. Harri

    I appoint you as head of the US war in the Pacific in the 1940s

    What is your military strategy for defeating the empire of Japan?

  15. It is noted that the Chinese, Vietnamese, Philippines, Burmese, Koreans, Russians, and British did not have any particular problem with how the US prosecuted the war against the Japanese.

    But now we have revisionist bloggers who have superior military knowledge.

  16. Could these latest ‘agreements’ between the US and Iran be one of those moments when we should all be afraid, very afraid of what the future may hold?

    No, probably not, particularly as countries with’very different ideals and principles from ourselves’ like China, Pakistan and India, not to mention the most recklessly belligerent state in the Levant, all have nuclear weapons.

    So was Napalm in Vietnam

    And firebombing Dresden.

  17. And firebombing Dresden.

    When the politicians get the smell of blood, there is no stopping them.

  18. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 4:19 PM Said:
    Harri
    I appoint you as head of the US war in the Pacific in the 1940s

    Very generous.

    What is your military strategy for defeating the empire of Japan?

    I would have let the Japanese actually surrender.

    Next.

  19. I would have let the Japanese actually surrender.

    I would have avoided the war in the first place.

  20. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 4:19 PM Said:
    Harri
    I appoint you as head of the US war in the Vietnam in the 1960s

    Do you think you could have done a better job and actually won 😉

    The same question for Iraq in 1990

    And Afghanistan

    😉

  21. Yes, the peaceful Japanese of that era were the victims.

    Don’t try that line of malarkey should you ever visit China or Korea please.

  22. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 5:38 PM Said:
    Yes, the peaceful Japanese of that era were the victims.

    You asked the question, anyway, don’t question me, you made me the general 😉

  23. Phantom

    As a newly appointed General, it has been noted your ‘escape & evasion’ techniques are of military grade quality.

  24. BTW

    When I was in China, I found them to be most pleasant and welcoming.

    Free Tibet 😉

  25. I think that if you guys were the generals we’d all be speaking German and Japanese now.

  26. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 5:49 PM Said:
    I think that if you guys were the generals we’d all be speaking German

    You might not have noticed, but ze Germans run Europe.

    I would personally if I had the choice, rather learn Japanese or improve my German, than melt other human beings, including children.

    Phantom, your ‘escape & evasion’ is weapons grade stuff.

  27. Phnatom – how does the US manage to get its military Inc. into so many conflicts so far from the land borders and seawaters of the US? Just have a look at the list in the 20th century alone. Btw, ‘wiki’ of all places notes that in September 1941:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#1900.E2.80.931909

    1941 – Germany: Sometime in the spring, the President ordered the Navy to patrol ship lanes to Europe. By July, U.S. warships were convoying and by September were attacking German submarines

    September 1941 – US warships were attacking German submarines: just itching to get involved. Remind me, when was the attack on Pearl Harbor?

  28. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 5:49 PM Said:
    I think that if you guys were the generals we’d all be speaking German

    By ‘You guys’ I assume you mean, anyone who in not an American?

  29. Seimi –

    “Why would a country which wanted to surrender ‘for months’ not just order its soldiers to stop fighting, lay down their weapons and put their hands in the air?”

    We now know, through declassified papers (can’t find the link at present), that the Japs had been seeking ways of surrendering from May 1945 on. They wanted save face, which boiled down to the Emperor staying on. They were rebuffed at every point. Only total, abject, unconditional surrender would do.

    The grim irony is that when the Japs did surrender, Hirohito was allowed to stay on. The one condition the Japs wanted, and which was refused for months, was conceded after the bombs were dropped.

    No-one can now maintain that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were purely military operations. Even the Sunday Times, four days ago in a Leader column, acknowledged the “strategic and political” considerations behind the bombings.

    I.e. to make a point to Moscow.

    There were also domestic and scientific considerations. An awful lot of treasure and intellectual capacity went into the Manhatten Project. Some people wanted to see what would really happen so Hiroshima – an intact city because it was of zero military significance – was flattened.

    Yes, the Jap surrender undoubtedly saved very many Allied lives, but there was no need for an invasion of Japan anyway. They’d been looking to surrender for months.

  30. By ‘You guys’ I assume you mean, anyone who in not an American?

    I only refer to the Ron Paul saps.

    Carry on.

  31. Some people wanted to see what would really happen so Hiroshima – an intact city because it was of zero military significance – was flattened.

    Indeed – a certain kind of people.

    Phantom – have you read the link at 12.07pm yet?

  32. Phantom – as a hat tip to the 9/11 project, how many people worked on the Manhattan project and how many knew what they were working on? To make it easy for you, we’ll go with your beloved ‘wiki’:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

    Operators at their calutron control panels at Y-12. Gladys Owens, the woman seated in the foreground, did not know what she had been involved with until seeing this photo in a public tour of the facility fifty years later

    Just like a ‘lift refurbishment program’.

  33. Allan

    I noticed that it was from some Holocaust denial group, so I metaphorically threw your article in the trash.

  34. “….from some Holocaust denial group…” the capital H is noted. The reality is that the article shows quite categorically that the Japanese had been attempting to surrender for months. This fact is something which your little world cannot handle, so best not to look at it.

    Phantom – How about the ‘wiki’ link at 5.58pm and the related questions – any progress?

  35. Phantom – the Japanese had been attempting to surrender for months prior to the nuclear atrocities and that is a fact. Your infantile diversions (they really are – just look at your comments) cannot hide the fact.

  36. Pete / Allan / Harri

    Has the US government or military done one thing right at any time in history?

  37. harri

    You are not the judge of such things, nor is your master, the denier in chief.

  38. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 7:00 PM Said:
    Pete / Allan / Harri

    Has the US government or military done one thing right at any time in history?

    Phantom – have you seen the link at 5.58pm? It’s perfectly safe for you, being ‘wiki’, so you can open it and look.

    Once you’ve read it, you’ll see why the answer to your question for the 20th century and current is resoundingly NO!

  39. Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 7:24 PM Said:
    You guys are like a midget tag team in professional wrestling.
    Ah well.

    No escape & evasion there then 😉

  40. Indeed, we have gone from America dropping an ‘H’ bomb on Hiroshima, to bringing up professional wrestling and midgets 😉

    As far as escape & evasion go, you gotta admit, it’s gotta be up there at the top somewhere.

  41. Phantom –

    It’s better to respect the blog by saying nothing instead of this silliness.

    Now this could be quite an interesting discussion. Would you like to give it a go?

  42. Pete

    You are getting the Troll disease by speaking for all the others.

    But I will note that you have not answered the simplest of queries

    Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 7:00 PM Said:
    Pete / Allan / Harri
    Has the US government or military done one thing right at any time in history?

  43. Phantom –

    It’s a silly, evasive diversion unrelated to the topic. If you like to discuss the history of Washington and the military then put up a post.

    Now be serious or go for a walk.

  44. Has the US government or military done one thing right at any time in history?

    I would personally have to say NO to that one.

    Here is an image of Hiroshima, it very much resembles Iraq and Afghanistan, or even Vietnam after the American military had finished with them.

    http://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/HiroshimaBombings_01-780×591.jpg

    Iraq.

    http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/07/31/world/IRAQ/IRAQ-master675.jpg

    Afghanistan.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049108-0E5CF30E00000578-204_964x618.jpg

    Vietnam.

    http://old.506infantry.org/images/vietnam/vanhoutchn.jpg

  45. I responded with absolute clarity, early on.

    Phantom, on August 6th, 2015 at 2:29 PM Said:

    The atomic bombings were a moral horror, but they absolutely saved lives – Japanese lives included.

    An invasion of the home Japanese islands would have involved millions of deaths. The Japanese spoke of fighting to the last man, and the conduct of their military on Iwo Jima and Okinawa – and the soldiers who stayed hidden for decades after the war – did nothing to change opinion on that.

    But before that, the local king of the anti semites brought libels against the Jews into this, and you were oh so fine with that, as is poor harri. You’ll never criticize Allan for such comments in the future, any more than you have called him to account for such comments in the past.

    Your views are childish and simplistic as regards a nation that you openly despise. . All three of you see the US government and military as evil incarnate. But you here get all stroppy when the question is asked directly. So much for the straight talk.

  46. But you here get all stroppy when the question is asked directly. So much for the straight talk.

    ????

  47. Too many commenter’s dancing on the head of a pin here.

    Of all the belligerents in WW2, Japan stood alone in its unique, bestial, mass treatment of innocent civilians and prisoners of war, whose accounts at the hands of the Nips STILL make the world recoil in horror today.
    It totally flouted the Geneva Convention, and whether it tried to surrender prior to the two A-bombs seems irrelevant. The US decided it had to pay the ultimate price for it’s horrendous conduct over the war years.

    Justice was done in my view.

  48. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the ultimate experiment in Americas air power.

    Mans inhumanity to man taken to a whole new level of savagery.

  49. That is why both Koreans and Chinese still have a great dislike of the Japanese.

    To them, the atrocities of the thirties and forties happened yesterday. They do not think that the Japanese are sorry, and they will never forget

  50. The US decided it had to pay the ultimate price for it’s horrendous conduct over the war years.

    Yet, did not quite see it that way with the Nazi scientists.

    They employed them instead.

  51. To them, the atrocities of the thirties and forties happened yesterday. They do not think that the Japanese are sorry, and they will never forget

    I should think the Iraqis and the Afghanis feel the same way about Americans.

  52. We learn lessons, our ‘leaders’ though… do not.

    Iraq has to be the biggest military screw up, since Napoleon thought he could beat the British 😉

  53. As I always post on Hiroshima, yes, one bomb was justified, but a second bomb within three days was not. Why was Japan not given seven days to surrender instead of three? It looks very like the US wanted to drop the second bomb anyway.

  54. Phantom –

    But before that, the local king of the anti semites brought libels against the Jews into this, and you were oh so fine with that, as is poor harri.

    I’m not as delicate about stiff opinions as some others. I’ve even had beers with socialists and commies. People think what they think.

    Bernard –

    Of all the belligerents in WW2, Japan stood alone in its unique, bestial, mass treatment of innocent civilians and prisoners of war …

    Maybe, but Japan was still trying to surrender, the Emperor stayed on his perch, and some of the Jap high command got away with it while millions of Jap civilians were incinerated in various raids.

    In the end it all depended on how useful you were to the West after the war, not what you did. If you were just a thug you were executed or went to prison. If you were a murderous slaver and rocket genius you ended up directing NASA.

  55. In the end it all depended on how useful you were to the West after the war, not what you did. If you were just a thug you were executed or went to prison. If you were a murderous slaver and rocket genius you ended up directing NASA.

    I tried to explain to that Bernard, but in one ear and straight out the other.

  56. Phantom’s evasions are contrary to the purpose of this site IMO which is to elevate the level of debate and oblige participants to make their case and back their case with supporting evidence. This thread has infantile comments throughout, emanating from one source.

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki today are thriving cities so they survived the A-bomb. Chicago and Detroit are facing ruin, destroyed by the N-bomb. Nowhere survives the N-bomb and jews are bombing everywhere in the white world with the N-bomb and the M-bomb. Luckily for Japan, these weapons of destruction have been kept out, so far.

    On the BBC earlier, I noticed that the phrase “I am become death, destroyer of worlds” was quoted solemnly. In reality, the judeo-destroyer (Oppenheimer) who said that was jumping around arms raised like a boxing champion on hearing that Hiroshima had been destroyed, and voiced regret that Germany had surrendered too soon. This is the source of such morals, and one really cannot make this up:

    http://www.oytoys.com/Passover-Bag-of-Plagues-p/rl-bag.htm

    A fun and educational way to involve children in the Passover experience.
    Includes:
     1 red disc for BLOOD
     1 frog for FROGS
     1 small black bug for LICE
     1 lion finger puppet for WILD ANIMALS
     1 cow mask for CATTLE PLAGUE
     1 sticky hand with white dots for BOILS
     1 plastic ice cube with red crystals for HAIL
     1 large green locust for LOCUSTS
     1 pair of sunglasses for DARKNESS
     1 – 12 pc. puzzle for DEATH OF FIRSTBORN
    Ages 3 and up

    Add 4 destroyed cities for DEATH OF THE GOYIM

  57. Japan was induced into the war so as to allow the jew-controlled US to get into hostilities with Germany.

    Do your co workers and neighbors know that you talk like that? Wash your mouth out with soap you hate filled animal.

    The Japanese savagely attacked China and Korea well before Pearl Harbor. Who forced them to do that?

  58. Phantom – did you open the link at 5.58pm? It’s perfectly safe as it’s ‘wiki’. Once you’ve had a look at it and seen the extent of the jew-controlled military Inc. then you’ll be able to tell me why the US navy was attacking German subs IN SEPETEMBER 1941.

    The Cordell Hull ‘ultimatum’ to Japan in November 1941:

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=EXbQoSUOP4AC&pg=PA142&lpg=PA142&dq=cordell+hull+ultimatum+japan&source=bl&ots=h4CKhiGtve&sig=3Mc6yvtcvnlorcdkq3kruyEOskQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R1uDVIu8Fcn_Us3DgugP&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=cordell%20hull%20ultimatum%20japan&f=false

    Roosevelt on “how to manoeuver the Japanese into firing the first shot without too much damage to ourselves”….

  59. Why was Japan not given seven days to surrender instead of three? It looks very like the US wanted to drop the second bomb anyway.

    Any answers?

  60. I don’t know why Pete, Allan, & Harri keep switching to Germany and Werner von Brawn etc, when the topic is Japan.

    The allies, after hostilities ended, greatly benefited from German technology, and has also tried to atone for its wartime aggression. And still does.

    Japan is still in denial, and as far as I know has never offered war reparations to anyone, least of all China.

  61. Any answers?

    I would answer it, but the question isn’t directed at me so I’ll leave the site’s diversionist / evader to avoid an answer – Phantom, your evasion, please.

    Phantom – here is a book which I have in front of me at this very moment. You will be as unaware of this book as all the hundreds of millions who are as willingly ignorant as you:

    You purchased this item on 14 Jul 2015.
    View this order

    Conceived by Charles Beard as a sequel to his provocative study of American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932-1940, President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War outraged a nation, permanently damaging Beard’s status as America’s most influential historian. Beard’s main argument is that both Democratic and Republican leaders, but Roosevelt above all, worked quietly in 1940 and 1941 to insinuate the United States into the Second World War. Basing his work on available congressional records and administrative reports, Beard concludes that FDR’s image as a neutral, peace-loving leader was a smokescreen, behind which he planned for war against Germany and Japan even well before the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    All the evidence sufficent to be described as proof of my statement at the start of this thread is there, from original sources. We can agree to disagree, but I’m right and you’re wrong.

  62. Bernard – Roosevelt was anxious to enter the war against Germany but Hitler forbade any attacks on US shipping even under great provocation as shown at 5.58pm so, on hearing of the pact between Germany and Japan, the Roosevelt clique decided to use Japan as the portal into the European war: that’s why Germany is inseparable from the war against Japan.

  63. the Roosevelt clique decided to use Japan as the portal into the European war

    You should take over ” The Daily Show ” now that Stewart has retired. Allan is one the best comedians around, certainly better than fellow Scotty Billy Connolly.

  64. FDR had tilted strongly to Britain. I’ve said that many times here. This isn’t a revelation.

    Nazi Germany was a predator nation, an existential menace to its neighbors and to civilization. Churchill saw this early on, FDR saw it somewhat later.

    The Japanese Army murdered many millions of Chinese civilians, many in the most gruesome ways. Not so much comment on this here.

  65. Phantom – FDR’s clique was hellbent on getting to war with Germany and used Japan as the means to do so. This meant goading the Japanese (oil embargo, Cordell Hull ultimatum etc.) into attacking Pearl Harbour and making sure that the Japanese fleet was undetected by the commanders at Pearl Harbor. These are facts which are easily confirmed by those who don’t like being lied to. Obviously, you have no problem with it.

    As for Churchill, he was in the pay of the jewish Money Power – the group known as The Focus bought Churchill, and he was very corrupt. So, as we see, the US attacked German submarines in September 1941 – and that is an act of war.

  66. So when you come down to it, the Germans and the Japanese were the real victims right?

    Do you think that the Chinese, Koreans and Americans should pay reparations to the Japanese? And that Israel, Poland Russia and the US should pay reparations to Germany?

  67. Phantom – did you open the link at 5.58pm? It’s perfectly safe as it’s ‘wiki’.

    Is that the same Wiki you were berating the other day as biased and partisan?

  68. The only sources you can trust are dodgy Holocaust denial sites

    They’re very objective

  69. Is that the same Wiki you were berating the other day as biased and partisan?

    Yes – but it’s a site safe for Phantom.

    Phantom – did you look at the links of 11.00pm and 11.22pm? Those are refernces linking to source materials which leave no doubt as to the desire of your jew-controlled government (as ever) to get into war. Btw, as put to you previously, why does the military-Inc. get into so many wars – see safe-wiki at 5.58pm with list of all wars involving the military-Inc.

  70. Harri – ‘wiki’ will soon be compulsory and exclusive, the only approved site on the internet – and it is very well patrolled:

    In fairness, on matters which are relatively non-contentious like many fields of science and general knowledge, ‘wiki’ is rather useful. In areas such as physics, history, economics and modern affairs, it is so bad as to be a joke.

  71. Phantom, on August 18th, 2015 at 2:36 PM Said:

    Attitudes have certainly changed since that era.

    Here, an actual child’s toy

    At least they didn’t sell Japanese civilians with burnt-off skin to go with it.

  72. Brilliant, Phantom – great spotting!

    There’s something touching about that naivity, sort of like those atomic air-raid drills from the 50’s and 60’s.

    Yes, it’s true that attitudes and perspectives change, and it’s foolhardy to assume the way we see history will be how future generations see it.

    When I was a kid, the role of Britain in WW2 was much more central than it’s considered now. The Holocaust also was a kind of, if I may use the phrase, side-show, and didn’t have the central place it now holds.
    People got away with making jokes about blacks and Jews etc. There were far more jokes about different races and far fewer about sex.

  73. Noel

    Surely sex has always been a prominent source of jokes and humour, albeit in a different way than the more explicit nature of sexual humour today. From Bawdy Chaucerian writings to restoration romps, early 20th century saucy postcards, and ‘Carry on’ films humour has been littered with varying degrees of ‘double entendres’. Sex (ladelled with hypocrisy) has always been a human fixation. It wasn’t invented in the swinging sixties. 🙂

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