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obama1-compressedAs the World still reels from the attack in France the United States sends out it’s Message of Support.

The Obama Administration announced Sunday Night that it was Releasing 5 Gitmo Detainees over to the UAE, and Reiterated that it is Still planning on taking in a minimum of 10,000 Syrian Refugees into the Country.

Today France did a major set of Air Strikes against ISIS Targets in Syria. Tomorrow the French are holding a Special Session of it’s Government. It will be interesting to see if France invokes Article 5 of the NATO Treaty. Article 5 states an Attack on one NATO Nation is an Attack on ALL NATO Nations.  I do not believe Obama will live up to our part of that agreement. His Spokesman said tonight after restating the commitment to a minimum of 10,000 refugees when asked directly about Article 5 that the Obama Administration WILL NOT put Troops on the Table that he met with Putin to discuss a UN Solution and a continuation of the Syrian talks in Geneva.

Obama is not alone in these plans. Hillary Clinton stated last night in the Debate that “this is NOT our Fight”.

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110 thoughts on “Sending a Message

  1. It is our fight.

    But there had better be mighty heavy lifting from other nations including Iraq Turkey and other Arabs. Why have armies if you will not use them.

    It seems like the only Iraqis that fight with courage are the Kurds.

    One Kurd with a stick is worth a hundred Shia Iraqis with machine guns.

    If the a Iraq and Turk governments had been responsible this would never have deteriorated to this point.

  2. The Obama Administration announced Sunday Night that it was Releasing 5 Gitmo Detainees over to the UAE, and Reiterated that it is Still planning on taking in a minimum of 10,000 Syrian Refugees into the Country

    ‘They’ are not planning anything, someone else is doing all the ‘planning’.

    By the way, the exact same thing is happening in the UK, but I am pretty sure that once again, it’s just one huge coincidence.

  3. I very much doubt that France will invoke Article 5, because turning the action against Islamic State into a formal NATO operation would antagonise the Russians and at the moment the priority will be engaging a military strategy in concert with Putin.

  4. //I very much doubt that France will invoke Article 5,//

    I agree. More people were killed in the Madrid attacks of 2004, and Spain didn’t invoke it either. In fact, Spain reacted by withdrawing its army from Iraq.

    A broad anti-IS coalition is the way to go.

  5. In 2001, the Afghan govt gave AQ a base and refused to turn OBL over after 9/11

    Now, neither Iraq nor Syria want ISIS on their territory.

    The situations are different.

  6. Agreed, Phantom.

    State responsibility under international law can’t be attributed to Syria when the govt of Syria is fighting AGAINST these guys. The Afghan situation was very different.

    At the same time, and somewhat cynically, the western powers could (and possibly should) use this tragedy to re-assert their strength in Syria at the expense of the Russians.

  7. We need to send these shits a message:

    Radical panellists at ‘Quiz a Muslim’ event demanded establishment of an Islamic State in Britain as jihadists went on bloody rampage through Paris
    Event held on Friday reportedly told of duty to establish an Islamic state
    Quiz A Muslim event took place in Bedford as 132 were murdered in Paris
    Speakers included Taji Mustafah, of radical Islamic organisation Hizb-ut Tahrir, and Moazzem Begg, a former Guantanamo Bay inmate
    Suggested Muslims should be able to determine law according to Shariah

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319941/Radical-panellists-event-demand-establishment-Islamic-State.html#ixzz3regdLbLi

  8. A huge number of nonsense goes around after atrocities like those in Paris. The media and social media are full of them. I thought it might be helpful to list the worst.
    1. ‘This attack has nothing to do with Islam’: obviously not true. See here.

    2.‘Islam means peace’: Very obviously not true. Incidentally the word actually means ‘submission’. Again see here.

    3. ‘This attack was an attack on Islam’: No. It was an attack on the people of Paris who were going to watch a football match or a concert or eating in a restaurant.

    4.‘MuslimsAreNotTerrorists’: Today’s leading hashtag on Twitter. Again, clearly wrong. While nobody thinks all Muslims are terrorists all the terrorists detonating at the moment are Muslims.

    5.‘The vast majority of Muslims condemn actions like this’ / ‘How insulting to expect Muslims to condemn such atrocities’: A poll carried out after the last terrorist attacks in Paris in January found that 27pc of British Muslims felt “some sympathy for the motives behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks” with a further 10pc saying they weren’t sure or wouldn’t say. Sure 68pc agreed that acts of violence against those who publish images of Mohammed can “never be justified”, and that’s a majority. But that 27pc is a problem, no?

    6.‘Don’t you realise that this plays into Isis’s hands’: ‘This’ being any analysis of the facts which goes beyond the level of futile emoting and fatuous hashtag-ery. If you identify the ideological component you are ‘playing into the hands of Isis’. If you identify what drives Isis and where their ideology comes from you are ‘feeding the Isis narrative.’ The only solution would appear to be to lie about what is happening. Fortunately most politicians and commentators remain happy to do this.

    7.‘This only benefits Marine Le Pen’: The BBC correspondent Hugh Schofield has just done this one, writing that this ‘is the other terrorist aim. No-one would be happier than them if the National Front’s Marine Le Pen were to sweep to power.’ Personally I would suggest that Isis’s own statements and everything else we know about them suggests they take little interest in French domestic politics. The French people will elect Marine Le Pen if they think no other leader will sort out the issues which need to be addressed. That isn’t playing into any Isis plan – it’s just one tragic result of the comprehensive failure of the European mainstream.

    8.‘All religions are the problem’: This is the atheist social media coward’s way out. It means that after Isis start executing people in a Paris theatre the British government should close down Anglican state schools. The problem is not with ‘all’ religions. Sure, all religions have had their problems, but responding to the actions of Islamists by saying the religion of the Quakers and Jainists should be scrutinised is just a weasel-y way to avoid the real issue.

    9.‘Refugees welcome’: Woe betide anyone who connects the problems of Islamic terrorism with the unprecedented inflow into our continent of refugees and economic migrants from the Muslim world. This is obviously deeply racist, and the only answer to an atrocity like yesterday should be to open our arms even wider to the Muslim world and bring even more people in. Reports from Paris currently suggest that at least one of the perpetrators of last night’s atrocity was a Syrian refugee. Still, news like this that the first plane-load of Syrian refugees will be landing into Glasgow later this week must be only welcomed as the only good news on a dark day. Concern about whether we have any capability whatsoever to work out who is who, or whether we should let all these people in would of course just be fiercely and unforgivably racist

    http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/nine-conclusions-not-to-draw-from-the-paris-attacks

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  9. The 5 individuals released where held for 13 years and never charged with a crime. It seems rather elementary to suggest their confinement was counterproductive to the cause against terrorism.
    Clintons comment was an absurdity. Expect more, not less, to follow.

  10. As for the acceptance of refugees, it appears purely political and fails to address the actual crisis.

  11. The appropriate strategy is for all nations to devote all resources to crushing ISIS and to negotiate a macro deal that includes Assad and that respects the Kurds and which includes significant reconstruction aid and for all the ” refugees ” ( * ) to go home sooner rather than later.

    At this point, the West should strive to use a strong and just hand, not a soft hand. The protection of Europe and the West should be the first consideration, with other matters coming after that.

    (*) very many of them are not from Syria or Iraq, thank you very much.

  12. A new thinking on refugees is also needed. The idea that mass impotation is a solution is absurd. The creation of safety zones in existing home nations makes far more sense.

  13. In a way, it’s a good thing that ISIS seems to be focussing its latest terrorist endeavours on Europe rather than, say, the US. If the US reacted, it would again be, for a lot of the Muslim world, an Islam vs Big Satan thing. Any military response would be led by the US with a few loose allies giving half-hearted support, and it would be much easier for militants across the ME to rally support.

    A European response (and if there isn’t a “European” response, make room for me among the gang calling the EU worthless) will be much more broadly based. It will use experience of the region and people that the US doesn’t necessarily have (France used to run Syria and Lebanon). It will be easier for Russia, and maybe even Iran, to contribute to a venture that isn’t obviously part of global power politics, as many would assume a US response to be.

    More cynically, I remember, many years ago, someone ruefully looking at European disunity and saying that what Europe needs is to be attacked, or “a good war” or something. I presume it’s too much to expect that even a series of such attacks will bring Europe together, the way the German states were united by the 1870 war. But at least Europe may begin to have a serious look at itself in the face of such attacks, define its identity and purpose, realise what it is and what it is not. Maybe even rediscover a bit of that “western culture” or “civilisation” that right-wingers here go on so much about.

  14. mahons

    There must be huge fifth column efforts organizing these massive flows of people.

    This didn’t just happen.

    This is an attempt not to resettle ” refugees ” but to move entire vast populations.

  15. I’m interested in seeing what the French are actually going to do.

    If we and they just bomb them then in less than a year things will be just as bad as they are today. All the good suggestions above leave one thing out… how do you enforce the peace. The Arab Nations aren’t going to do it. If they were willing to commit their armies they would have done so before now so all we can do is bomb them after they metastasize over and over, or we commit troops to a long term commitment like Germany and Japan.

  16. I am amazed that there has not been ” Paris ” type operations in the US before now.

    There will be no US / European occupation of two Arab countries. It is impossible.

    But a muscular US/European/Russian ( yes I said Russian ) plan can work. We can force the Arabs to be men for the first time in their lives and to control their people.

    I could care less if there is democracy or happy days or a ” spring ” in the Arab world. I want them to stop causing problems for civilization.

    There is the possiblity of a Grand Bargain, and we should move towards it.

  17. it’s not impossible two basses and a naval bas was set for Iraq. Obama walked away from the status of forces agreement…. but like a good brainwashed drone you blame Bush for that despite the fact that it’s not true.

    I’m not going to re-argue that point for the 100th time. You hold Bush responsible for Obama’s actions just like a good little democrat and there is no getting you to look at the truth your brainwashing on that topic is complete.

    Bottom line is if we don’t station a significant military force in the ME this insanity will continue.

  18. Cutting to the only solution I see in this war that Radical Islam wages against the West:

    Short-term: Win the war. Beat them.

    Long-term: “colonize” the ME – as in import Western values and institution.

    Screw multiculturalism.

  19. Screw multiculturalism.

    Precisely, the rather large elephant in the room. But at what point does the West admit as a collective that the grand social engineering experiment of multiculturalism has gone all Frankenstein and failed miserably.

    I hold the Left personally responsible for all this shit.

  20. The US cannot occupy Arab lands, for a hundred different reasons.

    Even GW Bush recognized that when he signed the Status of Forces agreement that Obama implemented.

    We cannot civilize the Arabs, nor can we make them prosperous. but we can minimize contact with them.

  21. Obama just lost it on a reporter asking him questions saying that Anyone who wants to Pop Off about some crap plan is just that his advisors are the best no one else knows what they are talking about.

    He has spent the last half hour explaining how his strategy is working and the ONLY ONE that can work…..

  22. remember he has them contained…

    In the last two weeks a blown up Russian plane, a suicide bomber that killed a Iranian hezbooha unit in Lebanon, a Nunnery blown up in Iraq, and 132 killed in Paris.

    gee I’m glad their contained, I’d hate to see if they weren’t….

  23. //The US cannot occupy Arab lands, for a hundred different reasons.

    We cannot civilize the Arabs, nor can we make them prosperous//

    Maybe Europeans could at least make better progress in that field than the US has hitherto.

    I often wonder why more people don’t read, and learn from, the novel The Quiet American. It may be rejected as being anti-American, and perhaps Graham Greene was, but it outlines the dangers in the naive American policy of the “Third Force” followed around the world since WW2, and that failed in Vietnam, the Philippines, Thailand, Iran, Egypt and a dozen other places. Pat solutions made up in western labs didn’t work after the war and they certainly didn’t work in 2003.

    There is something to be said for the old, relatively benevolent, type of colonialism, which recognised local traditions and prejudices, that was tried by the British and French after around the 1920s.

    For what it’s worth, my recipe is a new Kurdish state in N. Iraq and NE Syria, which will need to be forced on the Turks. A Shia state in southern Iraq and a belt of Sunni madness in between. The Kurds and Shia will have an even better reason to defend their territory and contain the Sunni madmen.
    The rest of Syria should be governed by a coalition forced on Assad and the current opposition – neither of whom will be able to win their civil war anyway. This new state and the Kurdish state should be allowed free trade with the west.

    There’s no reason why the present, artifically drawn borders of these states should be continued.

  24. I agree with Noel.

    Reward the ( brave ) Kurds, squeeze the Sunni Arabs, who are at the root of 100% of all the recent problems.

  25. Phantom, on November 16th, 2015 at 11:37 AM Said:

    In 2001, the Afghan govt gave AQ a base and refused to turn OBL over after 9/11

    False, and Phantom knows it to be so. The taliban agreed to arrest OBL and turn him over on presentation of some evidence of his guilt. Bush said “we know he’s guilty, no evidence is needed” and the FBI still has no evidence against OBL.

    And then:

    We can force the Arabs to be men for the first time in their lives and to control their people.

    Removing Saddam Hussein (wanted to use Euros instead of petro-dollar) and Gadaffi (wanted to use a gold-backed dinar instead of petro-dollars) worked out well, didn’t it? They controlled their people.

    Now to me, it appears very coincidental that the French aircraft carrier just happened to be approaching station off Syria when these events provided reason to bomb whatever it is in Syria that the pretext was needed to bomb.

  26. the French aircraft carrier just happened to be approaching station off Syria

    Oops – the French carrier Charles de Gaulle is about to leave Toulon en route to the eastern Mediterranean according to the BBC. The BBC also reports that apparently, the attacks in Paris were organised in Syria:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34830233

    French PM Manuel Valls said the attacks had been organised from Syria.

    It must have been that passport which was found on one of the reported perpetrators

  27. There was no need to wait for the attacks in Paris, any offensive against IS has been justified since we started reading daily stories like this.

  28. Surely President Assad’s military would have dealt with ISIS if there hadn’t been the effort to overthrow him as in Libya and Iraq?

  29. –the FBI still has no evidence against OBL.–

    Poor Allan believes that OBL was a saint and that the Taliban were correct to give him aid and comfort.

    Perhaps the US should give reparations to OBL’s family?

    ” Al Queda Lives Matter ” says Allan

  30. Perhaps the US should give reparations to OBL’s family?

    They did, did they not whisk them away double quick time to safety?

  31. Bin Laden Family ‘Evacuated’ From US
    10:11, UK, Wednesday 03 September 2003

    Members of Osama bin Laden’s family were allowed to fly out of the US shortly after the September 11 terror attacks, a senior official has said.

    Even though American airspace had been shut down, the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.

    http://news.sky.com/story/209876/bin-laden-family-evacuated-from-us

    Some 140 high ranking Saudi officials were also on the plane.

    The revelations come from former White House counter-terrorism chief Richard Clarke.

    He said the Bush administration sanctioned the repatriation of the family in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.

  32. I remember that well.

    The entire subject of Saudi complicity in 9/11 should be pried open, regardless of consequences.

  33. Phantom, on November 16th, 2015 at 5:14 PM Said:

    –the FBI still has no evidence against OBL.–

    Poor Allan believes that OBL was a saint and that the Taliban were correct to give him aid and comfort.

    Phnatoms abandons the debate: This means that I was correct in what I wrote at 4.44pm, and I am correct.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

    President George Bush rejected as “non-negotiable” an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.
    Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban “turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over.” He added, “There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty”. In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir – the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime – told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: “we would be ready to hand him over to a third country”.

    The taliban’s position was entirely reasonable – a request for evidence of Bin Laden’s guilt, an dnone was forthcoming. Indeed, there’s still none, unless Phantom has unearthed OBL’s passport at the Pentagon? But the taliban also destroyed the opium crop, a valuable source of funding for the ‘agencies’.

    Plus:

    There’s no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty

    That is totalitarian, it really is.

  34. Sorry Allan, if your buddy kills 3000 of my people, you don’t get to set any rules.

    BTW, weren’t you saying some time back that OBL was still alive?

    Well where is he? He has been quiet lately.

  35. I agree with Noel – I think we Americans do many things well – but colonizing is not one of them. As an ex-colony, the US does not have “colonization” in her wheel house…despite what our campus progressives might say.

    I don’t think the French,Dutch or Spanish were very good at colonizing either. Too cruel and corrupt.

    The Brits, however, were very, very good at colonizing – for the most part, they left their colonies in good shape with strong institutions and law and order. For the most part.

    So, once we win the war against the immediate radical factions, I think the British should man-up and fix the Middle East. If only.

  36. Allan,

    Did the French attacks really happen or were they “false flags” to deceive the “sheeple” etc etc..?

    Phantom,

    I hear what you’re saying but let’s be careful re-drawing the boundaries of the Middle East to suit current prejudices. It didn’t work the last time (thank you Britain and France). The Kurds weren’t always the “good guys” and the Sunni Arabs the “bad guys”.

  37. Who remembers Abu Graib? The US soldiers made Iraqi prisoners form a human pyramid – NAKED – and then they took photographs…and they laughed! The horror!!! The inhumanity!!!

    Do you see the MSM commenting with the same vehemence about the cruelty and inhumanity that ISIS – and the Iranian mullahs, and the Saudi’s etc. etc. practice on their own people?? The beheadings, beatings, throwing people off of rooftops etc.

    The guy who was caged and then drowned by ISIS – do you hear the MSM even aware of this?

    Screw multiculturalism and the corrupt horse it rode in on.

  38. Phantom, on November 16th, 2015 at 6:14 PM Said:

    Sorry Allan, if your buddy kills 3000 of my people, you don’t get to set any rules.

    BTW, weren’t you saying some time back that OBL was still alive?

    Phantom – there was no evidence against Bin Laden and there’s still no evidence against Bin Laden. If you believe that he’s alive, just say so and provide your evidence.

    Mourne – you’re willingly deceived by whatever you’re told. For you, it’s best to stay in your mind’s wee comfort zone. Now get back to football or TV or whatever….

  39. Irish political writer Gearoid O’Colmain explains all on RT. This is reaching Russians through their MSM:

  40. Alex Jones yesterday was almost saying that Paris was a false flag.

    Give him a week and he will say it outright, and will be followed by every Aberdeen blogger around.

  41. I still find it rather strange that most if not all the Lefties appear to have vanished from the face of the earth since this latest Islamic outrage?

    And for society, that can only be a good thing.

  42. Phantom, on November 16th, 2015 at 6:48 PM Said:
    Alex Jones yesterday was almost saying that Paris was a false flag

    I don’t know how you can listen to him, his voice alone wants to make me throttle him 😉

  43. Maybe all the misguided Lefties have gone into involuntary mass hand wringing mode.. and just can’t snap out of it?

  44. Harri

    Alex Jones lies – a lot – but he makes legitimate points at times, and is comic relief at other times.

    I think that every political geek should listen to him once in a while – if only so that you know the source of 90% of the conspiracy yarns and doomsday fears.

    Back in 1999, he was busy scaring people about Y2K and telling them that war with Russia was imminent. He no longer says that Y2K is a threat, but he still says that the Globalists want war with Russia.

  45. Has anyone noticed that Hollande put Paris at odds with Washington and London?

    The priority for Western agencies has been toppling Assad and helping those nubulous, intangible “moderates”. I know it’s bonkers but that’s been the case. Remember how Putin has been citicised for targetting IS also.

    So over the weekend French aircraft pounded the IS HQ in and around Raqqa. Today Hollande called Friday’s attacks an “Act of War”, said that France “is at War” (both statements leave open the possibility of invoking Article 5) and directly blamed IS for the attacks. He also said that “France will destroy IS”.

    This si directly at odds with London and Washington and puts Hollande on the same side as Putin.

  46. Harri – where have all the misguided Lefties gone?

    It appears that they are snakes. They are under a rock somewhere waiting for the train to go by.
    They will be back.

  47. or perhaps the misguided Lefties are sitting alone somewhere – honestly reevaluating all that they hold dear -recognizing with intellectual honesty that they were wrong about the world….

  48. Patty, on November 16th, 2015 at 7:10 PM Said:
    or perhaps the misguided Lefties are sitting alone somewhere – honestly reevaluating all that they hold dear -recognizing with intellectual honesty that they were wrong about the world….

    Or, the ultimate irony has occurred, and they have become ‘victims’ themselves and been enriched?

    But sadly.. No, more than likely reality has finally hit home, but they will soon shake that little nuisance off and the dhimmitude will continue.

  49. The US UK ( and poor feckless Turkey ) have focused too much on Assad.

    Assad is .0000001% of the problem.

    He’s a bad guy, but everyone is a bad guy in the Middle East. Cut a deal with him today, which will lead to the greatest good for the country.

  50. It may be very cosy and comfortable to just lazily blame ‘the left’ for the Paris attacks and the terror threat in general, but its false and such silly generalising does nothing to help resolve the problem.

  51. True, Colm. Many on the Right in the US – starting with President Bush – have been unable to name the enemy as well.

  52. Colm, on November 16th, 2015 at 7:36 PM Said:
    It may be very cosy and comfortable to just lazily blame ‘the left

    Eh! I don’t remember seeing anyone from the ‘right’ screaming & wailing for ‘diversity’ ‘enrichment’ and a forced upon multi-cultured society.

    It was the Left which took great delight earning righteous points and shoving all this multi-cultism down peoples throats. The Left have broken society beyond repair.

  53. It was the Left who shouted anyone down who questioned (and still do) immigration, Islam and multi-cultism as ‘racists’, bigots and xenophobes.. they were wrong then and they are wrong now.

  54. Harri

    It was the Right (in France in particular) who insisted on viewing the lands of Empires as the ‘children’ of the mother country and who allowed the people of former empire colonies to freely travel to France/UK/Belgium etc. In the specific case of France, the Nationalist Gaullist Right viewed Algeria as an indivisible part of the French nation and it is largely for that reason that France has such a huge North African resident population. The left have many faults but the right aren’t blameless either.

  55. The Left see themselves as some warped gang of ‘progressives’, in reality, all they have managed to actually achieve is turn civilization and civilized societies back centuries.

  56. Phantom, on November 16th, 2015 at 6:48 PM Said:

    Alex Jones yesterday was almost saying that Paris was a false flag.

    Alex Jones ISN’T claiming the Paris attacks are a false flag? Is he feeling unwell?

  57. In that the MSM is 95% Left wing progressive and in that the MSM is the medium through which the Multiculturalist are able to bully the Left and the Right Politicians – I blame the Left.

    Sure, the Right will cave and shows very poor judgement (POTUS Bush, for example) but the Left wing Progressive – i.e.. the Cultural Marxist – is driving our problem with Multiculturalism

    The blame goes at the feet of the Cultural Marxist

  58. But Patty, France has resolutely and famously enshrined a policy that was the very opposite of multi-culturalism. It refused to recognise separate identities by race/religion/national origin and insisted that the entire population was simply French. Multiculturalism has not been part of the French political experience left or right , yet we still see the fractious cultural/racial differences in France that have contributed to the terrorist attacks that country has suffered.

  59. Colm –

    France still allowed Islam to run rampant. It still allowed wahhabism and wahhabist imams to set up shop. The French state might have said they are all French but many thousands of muslims disagree.

    Today Hollande and other ministers have said that subervise mosques will be closed down and imams expelled. They should never have been allowed to settle in the first place.

  60. Harri, on November 16th, 2015 at 7:18 PM Said:

    Or, the ultimate irony has occurred, and they have become ‘victims’ themselves and been enriched?

    I haven’t seen Paul around. I hope that he hasn’t been enriched by some of the people that he wants in our countries.

  61. –Alex Jones ISN’T claiming the Paris attacks are a false flag? Is he feeling unwell?–

    He can be almost sane, for hours at a time.

  62. Patty

    Fox News is very successful, as is Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mark Levin.

    So if they’re all so wildly successful in the electronic media, aren’t they part of the mainstream media?

    They’re hardly outsiders.

    If you say that the NYT and tv networks are ” limousine liberal ” I will agree with you.

  63. Phantom

    ‘He can be almost sane, for hours at a time.’

    Really, WOW There’s a side to him I never knew existed.

    I’m sure ATWs own national treasure Alan, won’t let us down on some interesting theories about recent events in Paris.

  64. Talk about a tale of two cable news networks. With its 53rd consecutive quarter total audience win, Fox News Channel saw a 10% primetime rise among adults 25-54 in first-quarter 2015 over last year. In fact, with 321,000 on average among the 25-54s in primetime, Fox News thrashed rivals CNN (187,000) and MSNBC (132,000) with more news demo viewers than the other two combined, according to Nielsen.

    March 2015

    Most people never watch cable TV news.

    But of those that do, Fox has more viewers as limousine liberal CNN and DNC Mouthpiece MSNBC combined. Yet they present themselves as the scrappy outsider, rather than the big force in cable news/opinion that they are

  65. Dave Alton, on November 16th, 2015 at 9:22 PM Said:

    I’m sure ATWs own national treasure Alan, won’t let us down on some interesting theories about recent events in Paris.

    Well Dave, your ‘vapourisation’ theory really gave me some fun 🙂

  66. Fox News is very successful, as is Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mark Levin.

    So if they’re all so wildly successful in the electronic media, aren’t they part of the mainstream media?

    They’re hardly outsiders.

    it’s called the Alternative Media.

  67. For what it’s worth, my recipe is a new Kurdish state in N. Iraq and NE Syria, which will need to be forced on the Turks. A Shia state in southern Iraq and a belt of Sunni madness in between. The Kurds and Shia will have an even better reason to defend their territory and contain the Sunni madmen.
    The rest of Syria should be governed by a coalition forced on Assad and the current opposition – neither of whom will be able to win their civil war anyway. This new state and the Kurdish state should be allowed free trade with the west.

    There’s no reason why the present, artifically drawn borders of these states should be continued.
    Phantom, on November 16th, 2015 at 3:44 PM Said: Edit Comment

    I agree with Noel.

    Really…. Who is going to do the forcing and the enforcing?

    I know send the Irish.

  68. The Kurds will protect their own state without much help.

    Remember a Kurd with a stick is a bigger threat than an Arab with a machine gun.

  69. “The call by Patty for a return of the British Empire is simply not sustainable and pure fantasy”

    Wishful thinking, actually. I would be happy if we (the West) just decided to fight back and actually beat the enemy.

    But that is a bit of a stretch, as well. Thanks to Obama, we don’t touch ISIS. We fund Iranian nuclear ambitions. and we are going to soon flood our own streets with terrorist Trojan Horse refugees.

    But good on you, Mahons, for pointing out the obvious! Always alert! Keep up the good work!

  70. it’s only a matter of time until there is an attack like Paris here in the US Patty.

    When it happens it’ll be better for all of us if it happens within the next year.

    Now I’m not saying I want it to happen, but Bill Clintons handling of terror caused 9/11 Obama’s handling has set us up for another attack. When it happens I just want it to happen on his watch.

  71. so the kurds will fight Turkey on one side and the Sunni on the other side. Who is going to supply the Kurds with what they need to defend their new state?

    The French?

  72. . “When it happens I just want it to happen on his watch.”

    No, you don’t. Trust me, you don’t.

    Your comment/attitude reminds me a little of the run-up to the re-election of President Obama and some Republicans were saying that they thought if he were elected it would be a good thing because it would show everyone just how bad Progressive policies actually are.

    Guess what – we might have a nuclear Iran thanks to that kind of attitude.

    No good ever comes from wishing bad things just to show the other guy.

  73. no Patty I honestly believe an attack is inevitable an if it happens after he’s gone the dems will crucify the next president because it will be a republican.

    Don’t blame me for a Nuclear Iran and don’t say I’m wishing for anything.

    I’m just stating the inevitable.

    I agree with most of your positions but there are times I understand why Phantom and Mahons treat you as they do….

  74. You prefer Obama’s lame leadership in the event of an attack rather than a Republican so the Republican brand can’t be soiled by Democrat propaganda?

    You put the Republican brand/reputation in front of survival?

    I think you need to rethink your position rather than hide behind your rhetoric in your last sentence to your comment.

  75. no I want the person responsible for degrading ours and the worlds security to be held responsible for the damage he has done.

    I long ago stopped being a republican Patty, there hasn’t been an R by my name since 2008. and even when there was I never acted or spouted my beliefs for the party. I’m a constitutionalist I have no party to belong to even though Phantom classifies me as the War Party, because I’m willing to state the extremes that need to be taken to keep us safe.

    Your comments are cheap shots, from someone that I thought better of. As I said I agree with most of the points you make. Saying I want an attack to take place now to protect the party is not up to your usual level of commenting.

    First I take umbrage to your remark that I WANT an attack, let alone your added insult that I want it to happen now to protect a party that long ago lost it’s way.

    Obama and his policies have made the entire world very unsecure and our own country even more unsecure than the rest of the world. There are active investigations into terror cells in every state of the Union. His Foreign Policy has directly caused the catastrophe in Iraq and Syria. He has invited our enemies to attack us abroad and at home.

    I say the next president is going to be a republican for one reason. Hillary can’t win, plane and simple. I’d be shocked if my candidate Cruz manages to pull it off. However even if Hillary wins she doesn’t deserve to have the bloodbath that is coming our way to happen on her watch either.

    Obama has encouraged the Islamists, his military policy has allowed them to flourish. We are going to be hit it’s inevitable. I would prefer it happens sooner rather than later. I would prefer that it happens under the watch of the man that caused it.

    You don’t comment here as often as I would like you to. It would be nice to have someone else right of center on the site. Your tendency to be snotty though is part of who you are. It’s a detractor, not as bad as some of mine but it is there none the less.

  76. Troll: I learned my “tendency to be snotty” here on this very site.

    I don’t know if you will grasp this (there I go again- being snotty! 🙂 ) but ATW is a free-for-all flat-out fight most of the time. After the first thousands “morons” and being told that I get my opinions from the radio, well…..unlike some (you), I learn.

    Example: please learn to spell!

    The irony of your writing “plane and simple” when “plain” is such a simple word….!!!! 🙂 🙂

    and, btw, stop taking yourself so damn seriously all the time…..

  77. btw, I wasn’t sent here to be your foil and your back-up, Troll.

    But I’ll do you a favor – I won’t read or comment on your threads anymore.

    There – out of your hair.

    If you decide to drop napalm all over me, my comments or the site, it’s on you.

  78. Patty, how’s the painting going?

    Did you see how a delightful Modigliani nude fetched around USD 170 million a few days ago?
    You should try doing a few. Oils always sell well, and nudes in oil (I’m not talking about massage) even better.

  79. Truth be told, Noel, I love Modigliani. However, it might be easier for me to copy “The Unmade Bed” installation than Modigliani…. maybe I’ll create: “My Laundry Basket” installation……or “The Kitchen Sink” Possibilities are endless!! :))

    At the present moment, I am studying charcoal figures and heads. I’m struggling for correct proportions and to make the illusion of 3D with line, edge and value. Basically, I went back to basics. I’m going the wrong way to sell anything, I’m afraid.

    Did you know that there is an online revolution in education at the moment. It is remarkable what you can learn and find on the computer. I’m able to find last century Russian charcoal drawings and techniques, the exact outdoor palette of Jouaquin Sorolla, and so many other things. It’s really remarkable.

  80. Patty to coin a phrase that’s your shit, not mine.

    If you choose to bail on my threads don’t let the door hit you in the ass. I write my posts for ME no one else. Any that choose to comment or not to is their choice. As for being my foil or back-up…. lol not needed or wanted. You flatter yourself. It is nice to have at least one other person on the right side of the isle, but not necessary. As I said that’s your shit sweety not mine…. gee did I spell that wrong.

    Now as for dropping napalm on you Why would I? You’ve not given any reason, but I do beg to differ on one point you’re snotty because you are, not because of us or this site. That’s the nice thing about the internet people can’t hide their quirks. If they speak their views who they are comes out warts and all. If you don’t believe it to be true you delude yourself.

    Me and my quirks are what they are… it’s that plane and simple….

    Stay or go but the choice to do so is yours I have no hair for you to be in…..

  81. I think a lot of non-painters, like me, assume it’s much easier to paint a modern picture like Modgl. stype, with large fields of single colour, than it is to paint an impressionist type picture, with loads of detail, light and colour.

    But that’s probably wrong.

    That sounds really great with the online drawing courses. Maybe I’ll check out the Net for learning gardening.

  82. but not necessary. As I said that’s your shit sweety not mine

    Is being a sexist which amounts to gender discrimination as bad as a bigot? 😉

  83. ” I have no hair for you to be in…..”

    Troll, what does this even mean?

    You are all theater. Yes, I’m calling you out – I think you’re a phony.

    Have fun yanking chains if that’s what rocks your boat.

  84. Harri – that is so beautiful. Thank you.

    Noel, What are you growing? Do you actually dig in the dirt?? And what about snow? (lived in the desert most of my life so I can’t imagine what snow does to gardens.) We might never see/hear from you again if you start accessing the resources and the forums for gardening on the web.

  85. Phony…. now that’s a good one.

    You said There – out of your hair. since my head is shaved I found it amusing. Now there I took the time to explain it to you.

    As long as the crowd is what it is yanking chains is the best thing to do, there are so few worth discussing anything with and you all have such thin skins it’s a target rich environment.

    Popeye said it best, “I am what I am”. Unlike you I don’t bruise. and you are right I love the fight. The shame is how easily so many of you are taken off your game by a petty insult or a rude remark. Ah some beckon their kingdom for a horse. What I wouldn’t give for someone who could stay on their point and not be sent crying because they can’t take an insult so boo hoo if I ruffled the ladies feathers.

    Take some advice Patty put a little iron in your spine, learn not to flinch.

  86. Patty, snow is a distant memory here because of Global Warming.
    Mid Novemmber and it’s still pleasantly mild. Last week I was on a boat party and was in my shirt and pants all night.

    I was digging a trench in the garden two months ago (no, I didn’t kill her) and got myself one major case of sciatica, which is, quite literally, a big pain in the ass (and back and leg). I had it all the time through summer hols with the boys, from Scotland to Greece. I wouldn’t even wish it on IS. Later, it responded to treatment, but has now returned.

    But my (actually Israeli) neighbour has put me in contact with one of her doctor friends, who she believes will get rid of it completely, so, come spring, I plan to do some gardening for the first time in my life: for getting down and dirty, for my peace of mind, and for getting back to the roots.

    Why, if the weather continues like this, I reckon I’ll be able to grow cactus and those crazy giant flowers you see in CAL.

  87. What I wouldn’t give for someone who could stay on their point and not be sent crying because they can’t take an insult so boo hoo if I ruffled the ladies feathers.

    Troll, you have not got the balls to take on Allan, you know full well he would take you to the cleaners.

    I would go as far as to say, you are scared shitless of engaging with him.

    Best to just cop-out I guess and wail ‘racist, nazi, bigot’ every five minutes, the lazy way out.. as I said “The last refuge of a scoundrel”

  88. Harri Allan is a kook.

    There is nothing there to debate except why he isn’t in a home. You find him engaging because your only one step behind.

  89. The Troll, on November 17th, 2015 at 6:51 PM Said:
    Harri Allan is a kook.

    It’s because you are spinelsss and out of your depth.

  90. yes the kiddie pool scares me….

    Harri if like Allan you believe there is a jew behind every problem, please go seek help.

  91. Troll is a Republican, and these are the kooks which are contesting the candidacy for US presidential elections:

    http://www.unz.com/article/someone-wants-war-with-russia/

    It is useful to consider in their own words what the GOP candidates said last Tuesday night.

    Carly Fiorina led the baying pack with “One of the reasons I’ve said I wouldn’t be talking to Vladimir Putin right now is because we are speaking to him from a position of weakness brought on by this administration, so, I wouldn’t talk to him for a while, but, I would do this. I would start rebuilding the Sixth Fleet right under his nose, rebuilding the military — the missile defense program in Poland right under his nose. I would conduct very aggressive military exercises in the Baltic States so that he understood we would protect our NATO allies…and I might also put in a few more thousand troops into Germany, not to start a war, but to make sure that Putin understand that the United States of America will stand with our allies…

    Ben Carson added his two cents, “And what we have to recognize is that Putin is trying to really spread his influence throughout the Middle East. This is going to be his base. And we have to oppose him there in an effective way…

    And Senator Marco Rubio added his own insights, saying that “I believe the world is a stronger and a better place, when the United States is the strongest military power in the world… I’ve never met Vladimir Putin, but I know enough about him to know he is a gangster. He is basically an organized crime figure that runs a country

    Governor John Kasich demonstrated why it would have been best if he had stayed in Ohio, saying “In the Ukraine, arm the people there so they can fight for themselves. In the eastern part of Europe, make sure that Finland and the Baltics know that if the Russians move, we move. In Syria, yes, a no-fly zone in the north on the Turkish border, a no-fly zone on the south on the Jordanian border. Anybody flies in the first time, maybe they can fly out. They fly in there a second time, they will not fly out… in the countries of the Gulf States of Bahrain, the Cleveland Clinic is opening an operation. Clearly we see the same with them. And in Israel, we have no better ally in the world, and no more criticizing them in public, we should support them.”

    Each of these rabid zio-kooks, and any others which I’ve missed, is funded by a jew:

    Who are the Republican candidates’ Jewish donors?

    Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla.

    Age: 43

    Campaign status: Declared candidate

    His Jews: A principal backer is Norman Braman, a car dealership magnate who moved to Florida in 1994 after selling his stake in the NFL’s Philadelphia Eagles. A past president of the Greater Miami Jewish Federation, Braman has been close with Rubio since his meteoric rise through the Florida Legislature. Braman accompanied Rubio to Israel in 2010, just after his election to the U.S. Senate. Rubio’s ties to the broader Jewish community also extend back to his career in the Florida state legislature, and communal professionals credit him with being accessible.

    Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas

    Age: 44

    Campaign status: Declared candidate

    His Jews: Last year, Cruz tapped Nicolas Muzin, a soft-spoken Orthodox Jew from South Carolina, as an adviser. Muzin is credited with helping catapult Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C., the first black senator elected from the South since the 19th century, to a national career. Muzin has introduced Cruz to Orthodox Jewish funders, including telecommunications and energy magnate Howard Jonas, and staged events for him in fancy kosher eateries like Abigael’s on Broadway.

    Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.

    Age: 52

    Campaign status: Declared candidate

    His Jews: Paul has cultivated Richard Roberts, an Orthodox Jew and major New Jersey philanthropist. In 2013, Roberts helped fund a tour of Israel for Paul and evangelical Christians. A year ago he led Paul on a tour of Lakewood, New Jersey’s sprawling Orthodox yeshiva, Beth Medrash Govoha, which Roberts supports. Roberts has suggested, however, that he favors Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who has yet to formally declare his candidacy.

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

    Age: 47

    Campaign status: Likely candidate

    His Jews: Walker has yet to declare, but if and when he does, the New Jerseyan Roberts would appear to be in his camp. Walker has also been backed in his gubernatorial runs by Sheldon Adelson, the casino magnate and Republican Jewish kingmaker. A Hanukkah greeting last year to a Jewish constituent was infamously signed “Molotov” — he meant “Mazel tov.”

    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush

    Age: 62

    Campaign status: Likely candidate

    His Jews: Bush has been able to tap into a broad network of fundraisers who were loyal to the presidencies of his brother George W. and his father, George H.W. Among the former are Mel Sembler, a shopping mall magnate in Florida who backed Bush during his gubernatorial runs. In New York, equity billionaire Henry Kravis hosted a lucrative evening for Bush in February.

    Bush also has Jewish George W. Bush Cabinet members on his foreign policy team, including Michael Chertoff, the former Homeland Security secretary, and Michael Mukasey, the ex-attorney general who has been notable in his post-Bush career for his strident criticism of what he depicts as the spread of radical Islam

    http://forward.com/news/national/308582/who-the-jewish-billionaires-are-backing-in-2016/

    A quick look at the list of top political donors for 2014 reveals a striking fact: At least a third of the most generous 50 mega-givers were Jewish. In fact, contributions from Jewish billionaires and multi-millionaires dominated the top 10 spots on the list

  92. Troll – I didn’t SAY that jews own the Republicans (they own the Dems too – for balance): I SHOWED it, so I can’t be a bigot because the facts are as they are. Are you saying that jews don’t control the US political puppet-show?

  93. yes Allan we know the Jews control everything life must be hell for you. All the world corrupted by them there evil jews…..

    You know Allan I’ve said it here for years all Christians are jews also and the Pope just confirmed it… oh my god now you’ll have to find out who the Christians have influenced and controlled for the last 2000 yrs it’s all just been a plan to hide the jewish influence.

    So what are you a Muslim or a pagan… I know your a follower of Kali

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