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Road safety: UK set to adopt vehicle speed limiters

So roars the BBC’s headline propaganda. An accurate headline would say: “EU imposes vehicle speed limiters”.

No manifesto, no parliamentary debate, no national debate, no white paper, no ministerial interviews. Just another law – yet another law – decided mainly by foreigners and emailed from a foreign land. Well done Remainers, you really are as dumb as mud. So what can we do if we don’t like it? What can we do if we don’t like the principle? Nothing of course.

MEP’s can not create, amend, or reject proposals. They can act as a method of slowing them, requesting changes or rethinks of proposed policies, but if the other (unelected) parts of the EU want to force through a proposal they can just keep pushing it until it gets through in the knowledge that elected MEP’s will not have the power to propose future updates, changes, or abolition of legislation.

The European Commission only has to win once and it can never be repealed without the European Commission wishing it so.

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36 thoughts on “THE BBC: A PRIMER

  1. But if the other (unelected) parts of the EU want to force through a proposal they can just keep pushing it until it gets through in the knowledge that elected MEP’s will not have the power to propose future updates, changes, or abolition of legislation.

    The European Commission only has to win once and it can never be repealed without the European Commission wishing it so.

    The European Commission is of course appointed, much like the House of Lords, by the elected heads of each national government in the European Council, one Commissioner as per each national government. The role of the Commission is to propose and enforce legislation, (approved by the directly elected European Parliament together with the Council), as well as by implement policies and the EU budget.

    It’s hilarious when anti EUers concentrate on ‘Ze Commission’ as the only appointed institution of EU legislature to deliberately misinform the low information gullible and paint the EU as some unelected, undemocratic monolith.

    Disclaimer :

    In case above comment should be construed as being fanatical or defending the EU just let me reiterate it’s a statement of fact in an attempt to correct (willful?) ignorance and misinformation

  2. The linked story makes clear that this is a UK decision. The UK will be out of the EU and not bound by this. As the implementation date is 2022 it could well be an issue at the next general election. A right wing Tory party led by Johnson could well reject it in favour of higher road casualties.

  3. It’s hilarious when anti EUers concentrate on ‘Ze Commission’ as the only appointed institution of EU legislature to deliberately misinform the low information gullible and paint the EU as some unelected, undemocratic monolith.

    “The House of Lords is fully democratic.”

  4. The Commission is unelected in the same manner than the UK Government is unelected, the German Government is unelected etc… Technically they are all appointed.

  5. The House of Commons, in a series of indicative votes, have just rejected everything. Literally everything.

  6. I’d get rid of the HoL in a heartbeat a replace it with a smaller elected chamber. There is no place in a democracy for such things

  7. What you would do isn’t the point Mark.

    That Brexis love to zero in on ‘Ze Commission’ as a supposed non democratic example, disingenuously implying it pervades the EU, while ignoring the hundreds of years old mirror image of it in the Parliament they claim has been ursurped is.

  8. The European Commission, the executive arm of the 28-country EU, said that the features would be required on all vehicles on European roads from 2022.

    Unless this is a misprint, the time proposed for the rollout is ridiculous. I can see requiring it on all new cars sold from 2022 on, but its not realistic to require it on all cars on the road, including those purchased today, which would be on the road for maybe ten years or more.

    The measures announced Wednesday were agreed on in negotiations between European national governments, the commission, and the European parliament. The provision political agreement is subject to formal approval by the European parliament and EU leaders.

    Oh.

    EU Aims to Put Speed Limit Technology on Cars

  9. // I can see requiring it on all new cars sold from 2022 on, but its not realistic to require it on all cars on the road,//

    From what I see, it’s all already available on most SatNav systems. If you haven’t already got it, you can buy this piece of technology for around 80 Dollars and stick it on the dashboard your car.

    Thus, nothing to get excited about. Really.

    The tiredness detector is really smart. I often have colds, generally feel bleary or have my eyes otherwise messed up by allergies etc. The system never detects anything.

    But drive for a few hours after a short night’s sleep and the alarm lights up telling you to stop and take a break.
    I don’t know how it works, but it does.

  10. you can buy this piece of technology for around 80 Dollars

    Wow that’s great.

    This type of technology and other things like warnings when you drift out of your lane or collision avoidance technology are hugely positive things

    Even little things like the sensor that tells you when your tires are under-inflated is all great.

    The car of today is better than the car of ten years ago and the car of ten years from now will be much better than the car of today. And yes, regulation from ” evil government ” has helped make all of this so.

  11. BTW, anyone else watch the circus in the House of Commons last night?

    8 options proposed and not one of them got a majority.

    All Brussels’ fault again, I suppose.

    Mind you, the strongest support was recorded for the option of staying in the Customs Union and the option of a new referendum.

    I like Bercow, although he does go OTT at times.

  12. BTW seat belts have been mandatory equipment in all US vehicles sold since 1968. They’ve been mandatory to wear in most states for a long time.

    The EU only required their use as of 2006, very late.

    When seat belts first became mandatory here, some nuts thought it an infringement on personal liberty, and some even said that they were unsafe.

  13. //The EU only required their use as of 2006, very late.//

    Are you sure about that? Maybe that referred to belts for rear-seat passengers.
    Seat belts were made compulsory in Germany in the 1980s.

    The rate of road deaths seems to be falling everywhere. In Germany it peaked at 10,000 per annum back around 1990 and is now just over 3,000, and would be lower still if a lot of the non-Germans learned to drive properly.
    A lot of this fall is due to better technology and better laws.

    Ireland has a significantly higher rate of road fatalities than the UK, both per population and per number of cars on the roads. The rate in Ireland is twice the rate of some other European countries. Again, more Irish people simply have to learn to drive properly.

    The rate in the US is very high. I don’t know how the amount of open space in a country is a factor here, but I would have imagined the vast area in the US and the low speed limits there would lead to a lower rate of fatalities.
    As it is, the US has 13 deaths per 100K cars p.a., compared to 7.6 for Ireland and only 3.6 for Switzerland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

  14. It is common for people here to drive over 70mph, or over 80mph in the wide open spaces.

    You usually get a informal pass for 10mph over whatever the posted limit is.

  15. Right

    In both the US and Europe ( and the different countries in Europe ) you’d have a date where they were required to be installed in the car, and a later date when passengers were required to use them or face a fine.

    The great Volvo invented the three point seat belt – and they allowed all other carmakers to use the important patented safety advance at no charge.

    https://www.arnoldclark.com/newsroom/265-why-volvo-gave-away-the-patent-for-their-most-important-invention

  16. What Noel said Phantom. The EU Directive in 91 applied to all vehicles of less than 3.5 tonnes. Here’s the Directive:

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/1991/671/oj

    It would roughly coincide with my memory of seat belt wearing becoming compulsory in the wee six IIRC. IMO anything that reduces speed or promotes safety on roads should be welcomed.

    BTW, anyone else watch the circus in the House of Commons last night?

    8 options proposed and not one of them got a majority.

    All Brussels’ fault again, I suppose.

    Yep. Pathetic. Give these people a state?

    Mind you, the strongest support was recorded for the option of staying in the Customs Union and the option of a new referendum.

    Peter seems to be a serious, thinking Brexiteer and as I understand it the former clause is his preferred option.

  17. Oh off topic but kinda not…….

    I gotta do a post on SOVEREIGN CITIZENS…… people who don’t believe the Laws of the road apply to them. They are some of the funniest stuff you’ve ever seen.

  18. I gotta do a post on SOVEREIGN CITIZENS…… people who don’t believe the Laws of the road apply to them.

    Cops?

  19. Patrick

    I gotta do a post on SOVEREIGN CITIZENS……

    I could be wrong, but I’ve got a feeling that your sovereign citizens might be equivalent to our ‘Freemen on the land.’

  20. Noel –

    BTW, anyone else watch the circus in the House of Commons last night?

    8 options proposed and not one of them got a majority.

    All Brussels’ fault again, I suppose.

    Remainers’ fault, again.

    With a vastly bigger budget, the entirety of the political and media establishments, the government propaganda machine, globalists and corporatists, and Obama threatening us, they lost the referendum.

    So they get the order paper, all week to figure out what to do and a corrupt Remain Speaker – and they can’t even figure out how to stay.

    Remainers are total losers.

  21. From wiki:

    The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American and Commonwealth litigants, commentators, tax protesters, and financial-scheme promoters. Self-described “sovereign citizens” see themselves as answerable only to their particular interpretation of the common law and as not subject to any government statutes or proceedings.

    Sounds like Pete before he became a pro-Brexit statist.

  22. It does sound like me, because only the common law is legitimate. Parliament is merely an advisory body.

  23. “What does common law have to say about aviation policy and net neutrality?”

    Common law has found that common law is subservient to statute law. So a proper interpretation of common law is that if a statute addresses aviation policy and net neutrality then so does common law.

  24. Excellent

    So we all agree that the Affordable Care Act is in compliance with Common Law

    Next case

  25. Compulsory seat belts and breathaliser tests for alcohol were opposed by the usual suspects in the 1960s and 1970s. The libertarian ideologues lost and road safety prevailed.

    Compulsory speed restrictions will be opposed by their political heirs in the 2020s and they will lose as well.

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