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The noisy, very bright bus-shelter digital adverts plaster the same message over and over again: ’We salute the NHS / lorry drivin’ / potato pickin’ / ambulance drivin’ / loo-roll deliverin’ / etc., etc, etc. “heroes”.

But this sceptic sits back ,and asks himself, ‘Just what makes a hero out of a person who is just doing the exact same task / job / position that he, or she (As we all are forced to add in these discriminatory days) was doing last month, or indeed last year. Is a man a hero because he continues to do a job which hasn’t been closed down by Government edict? I would rightly state my admiration for the professionals who treat, at great personal risk to themselves, the unfortunates who  lie, gasping for breath, within the I.C.U. beds and wards, stricken by the CHINESE VIRUS;  but heroes? Nope, they knew the risks implicit when they commenced studying for a medical or nursing degree, because those very risks are written down in medical textbooks. If the requisite Protection Equipment is not available, or not up to standard, they have a choice whether to go forwards or not. The very fact that some allegedly choose to go forwards makes them foolhardy, and certainly not heroic

When a British soldier set out on a death-strewn patrol through a grungy back street in Belfast, or on a ‘guidance’ mode in Afghanistan, or a similar model in Mali, he along with the rest of the patrol; are in acceptance of ‘Military orders’. These aren’t something which you can dismiss with a ‘Can’t be bothered today; Mate’! If you do not obey military orders you can either submit yourself to immediate justice before your Officer Commanding; or accept to be subject before a court martial, in the worst possible case, and sentenced to long terms of imprisonment. These men, and by and large they are ‘Men’, are not heroes, they knew that their task would involve danger sometimes

But, in civilian life, heroic actions, where a man or woman places themselves in peril, are, in  strict reality, very, very rare. Those who are termed ‘heroes’ are, in reality; nothing approaching the true definition of a hero. Usually, almost always, heroic acts are confined to either the battlefield, or to the defeat of terrorist acts.

Within the same theme, how do readers feel about the ‘Thursday Happy Clappers’? My sentiments? I listened, inattentively, to the calls broadcast for a National Clap, and I did disregard them, because, being of a logical frame of mind, I simply asked myself the question: Why?

What good would a few million clowns all clapping and hollering at the same time do, apart from ‘making themselves feel good?

As the day wore on, I read ever more calls for all to ‘Salute’ our wondrous NHS: and still asked that very same question: Why?

Needless to state, I do not take part in this now weekly mindless outpouring of ‘Love’ for what is, in effect, the workers inside the largest State employer in, certainly, the whole of Europe. And, I might add, the most inefficient, backward, dictatorial  and secretive outfit into the bargain. Secretive?, you may ask. Just add up all the NDA (Non-disclosure Arrangements) sums of Taxpayers cash forced upon the multitude of whistleblowers under peril of losing their jobs, reputations and very livelihoods, to discover just how the NHS protects their shabby reputation.

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44 thoughts on “There really aren’t  that many heroes around

  1. These “Hero” commercials are in every commercial break on TV….. it has gotten very annoying.

  2. Patrick

    Yes

    F*** corporate América trying to get the halo affect from those commercials, To cash in on something authentic

    Yesterday was a glorious day in the great North East. I went for a 14 mile bike ride that included a loop of the magnificent Prospect Park in Brooklyn. The park looks similar to central park; it amd other parks were designed by the same guy.

    https://www.nycgovparks.org/about/history/olmsted-parks

    I was speeding down the big hill at Prospect Park West at 7 PM and I heard loud applause all around me. It was supplies for the hospital workers, still a thing in New York. I managed to do a couple of claps from my speeding bike, Hearing that applause they made me continue to feel that everything is gonna be all right.

  3. But yes Colm, Mike Is incredibly better, and I don’t know why

    You should strive to smell the roses. Life isn’t so bad.

    This guy smashes the roses with a stick, furious at the fact that there are thorns, thundering at the bad design of them l

  4. This is Mike’s long winded way of applauding himself for his “heroism” in not applauding others for their actual heroism.

  5. Mike is obviously now just a guest poster here. David is clearly entitled to invite him as he wishes, but what a miserable depressing guest. Jeez I think I’d rather read another of Patrick’s “Flynn was framed” posts 🙂

  6. Phantom,
    //This guy smashes the roses with a stick, furious at the fact that there are thorns, thundering at the bad design of them.//

    And then accuses other people moaning, when they criticize him for smashing the roses.

  7. He would’ve designed the roses better

    The gardener was incompetent , planted the rosebush wrong, trimmed it wrong

    What a stupid idiot the gardener was

  8. No Phantom…. Nurses and Doctors are doing their jobs…. risk of catching something is part of that job. You don’t get kudos for doing it, you get a very good pay package for it after years and years of education to do the Job.

    I want to see a commercial listing the real “Heroes” the Trashman, The Postman, The poor person behind the plexiglass at the market.

    Those are the heroes. Minimum wage workers stuck wearing a mask so people can get milk and smokes.

  9. I know some people on ATW struggle with dictionary definitions of words, and seem to attribute their own meaning to these words, contrary to the dictionary definition.
    so here’s the dictionary definition of the word hero:

    hero
    noun

    A person who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.
    “a war hero”

  10. But, in civilian life, heroic actions, where a man or woman places themselves in peril, are, in strict reality, very, very rare. Those who are termed ‘heroes’ are, in reality; nothing approaching the true definition of a hero. Usually, almost always, heroic acts are confined to either the battlefield, or to the defeat of terrorist acts

    Subjective rubbish.

    Nurses and doctors are expected to be physicians and nurses to the ill. They aren’t expected to expose themselves to the effects of potentially terminal illness.

    More bitter bile.

  11. So by Mike Cunningham’s logic – and Patrick’s – we are no longer to celebrate the heroism of the firefighters and police on 9/11 who risked their lives to save others, and have had their subsequent lives ruined by PTSD and silicosis.

    We are to ignore the sacrifice of the 22-year-old GI who returned to the US a double amputee after being caught up in an IED.

    The cop who had to retire after catching a lump of lead in the leg during a drugs bust.

    Because they were simply ‘doing their job’. They knew the risks when they signed up.

    My wife is at this very moment in a hospital with COVID patients, swathed from head to toe in plastic. She’s not recording videos of her colleagues dancing. She is treating patients. She is on her feet all day and I won’t see her till tomorrow morning, when she will return home exhausted, with the marks of her goggles still imprinted on her face, and sleep till teatime.

    She certainly does not regard herself as a hero. She doesn’t expect praise or applause.It is what she decided to do with her life. But nobody expected the sort of crisis we are currently experiencing, or knew how physically or emotionally draining it would be. And by god it gives her a boost that people care enough to go out in the street and clap for what she and her colleagues are doing.

    Bear in mind also that the people who *really* deserve that applause are the nurses and porters and orderlies who earn peanuts and spend long, long hours exposed to a potentially deadly virus, cleaning up bodily fluids and wiping down surfaces. They could be earning more working in a service station or a corner shop, and at considerably less risk.

    And the thing is, if Mike needed treatment none of these people would give a stuff what he thought of them, whether he thought they were heroes or not. They’d treat him just the same as they would any other patient.

    This is another horrible, bitter post. Sometimes, yes, a token of goodwill is just that – a token. But the goodwill behind it is what matters. And it seems increasingly clear that Mike entirely lacks the generosity of spirit to understand that.

  12. one of the lowest creatures on the web are the spelling and grammer police….. because it’s a blatent schill for havin no defendable points…….

  13. . . . how do readers feel about the ‘Thursday Happy Clappers’?

    Pity ! Wel at first. Then I think they are just fools. Then I think they are dangerous fools. You know the ones ? The ones that will happily denounce you come your State trial. Then I think they are being selfish and weak. Selfish because they want to be seen virtue signaling, and weak because they cannot see that they are being played for the dangerous fools they are.

    The saddest thing though, will anyone from the State Sector be clapping for those that have made the sacrifice of losing their jobs, business, homes and even family. Some may be forced to take even their own life. Will their sacrifice be remembered ? Doubt it !

    So let them all clap. Me, I will just keep calm and carry on. It what we should have done right fro the start.

  14. They aren’t expected to expose themselves to the effects of potentially terminal illness.

    That is the VERY NATURE of the profession……. most ridiculous thing you’ve ever written….

  15. Corporate America tugging at heartstrings to sell beer in the days after 9/11

    The response of the people is authentic, the response of corporate America is not

  16. So by Mike Cunningham’s logic – and Patrick’s – we are no longer to celebrate the heroism of the firefighters and police on 9/11 who risked their lives to save others, and have had their subsequent lives ruined by PTSD and silicosis.

    tell me read that……. how drunk do you have to be to think any person who has frequented this site for longer than five minutes could ever say with a straight face the I… ME… don’t hold COPS and FireFighters as Heroes……

    which is it masterson…. Drunk, Stoned, or Stupid ?

  17. The nurses and doctors deserve the same esteem for their exceptional bravery that we afford soldiers fire and police For their courage under fire

    Especially here in the United States, where they have very often not had the proper protective equipment

  18. That is the VERY NATURE of the profession

    Please list the potentially terminal illnesses that doctors and nurses are expected to expose themselves to the effects of.

  19. They do, but it’s their freakin JOB….. the clerk in the store who has gone to work for minnimum wage to get you your groceries deserve the accolaides that are being heaped onto the nurses.

    Nurses, Cops, FireFighters, EMT, these jobs are heroes because they deal with death amd suffering everyday. This Pandemic to YOU is their everyday life and it is nice to see it appreciated….. but it’s the F**KING JOB!

  20. It is not the job of any nurse or doctor to walk into an infected area without the proper equipment. The country has let them down in a big way.

    If someone walks into that unprotected space in order to help the sick for weeks on end, I’m going to applaud them.

  21. Bear in mind also that the people who *really* deserve that applause are the nurses and porters and orderlies who earn peanuts and spend long, long hours exposed to a potentially deadly virus, cleaning up bodily fluids and wiping down surfaces. They could be earning more working in a service station or a corner shop, and at considerably less risk

    Superb point Masterson.

  22. Aids, the Flu, Malaria, Sars, Meers, Measles, Hemorrhagic Fever, and a billion germs, and viruses everyday that just walk into hospitals all over the world.

    The danger in the field of Medicine is not the ones working the labs. They are safe, probably the safest on the Planet.

    Nurses and Drs are exposed to the deadliest most contagious environment on earth A Hospital.

  23. how drunk do you have to be to think any person who has frequented this site for longer than five minutes could ever say with a straight face the I… ME… don’t hold COPS and FireFighters as Heroes……

    That’s exactly my point, Patrick. They ARE heroes. But you also argued that

    Nurses and Doctors are doing their jobs…. risk of catching something is part of that job. You don’t get kudos for doing it, you get a very good pay package for it after years and years of education to do the Job.

    Firefighters and cops also signed up to a profession they knew to be risky, where people get shot at or burned alive. I think ALL these people are heroes. But you seem to be arguing that cops and firefighters are, but doctors and nurses aren’t. That makes no sense. Can’t you see that?

  24. Phantom other than now with this Pandemic…..

    Did you ever walk into an emergency room and see the personnel in “Sterile Suits” not scrubs.

    Where do you think Pandemics fester and then bloom from ? Hospitals.

    Do you know the reason that after surgery hospital stays have become almost nonexistent?

    Liability. If a patient stays in a hospital for more than 3 days they over 50% chance of contracting mers or staff. Hospitals are toxic worksites always have been and always will.

  25. Masterson I support the police, but you will not find a post on here where I call them heroes for doing their job. Nor fire fighters, nor nurses…..

    I will ridicule people because when the bodies start falling their instinct is to run away from the flames bullets and blood…. where my family runs into those things.

    They don’t want, nor need to be called heroes. It is their job and what they are supposed to do…. so are Drs and Nurses.

  26. Nurses and doctors have worked heroically, at times without proper equipment. Many have come out of retirement, or graduated early. Many who might have been in an at risk group themselves. I’ve two neighbors who contracted the disease during their work. A few begrudgingly armchair quaterbacks who resent the public’school admiration for them is the least of their worries.

  27. Aids, the Flu, Malaria, Sars, Meers, Measles, Hemorrhagic Fever, and a billion germs, and viruses everyday that just walk into hospitals all over the world

    What you list above are either common illnesses or speciality units.

    Doctors and nurses are expected to be physicians and nurses to the ill. They aren’t expected to expose themselves to the effects of potentially terminal illness and, as the point Phantom makes above, particularly not without adequate equipment.

  28. Patrick van Roy @ 3.55 pm:

    how drunk do you have to be to think any person who has frequented this site for longer than five minutes could ever say with a straight face the I… ME… don’t hold COPS and FireFighters as Heroes……

    Patrick van Roy @ 4.23 pm:

    Masterson I support the police, but you will not find a post on here where I call them heroes for doing their job. Nor fire fighters, nor nurses…..

    Make your bloody mind up, Patrick.

  29. A year from now all this will just be a memmory, but the bullshit, the fear, the chance that when they go to work that day they may die….. will be exactly the same for each and every Dr, Nurse, FireFighter, and Cop.

    Tell me next summer when you pass one or are in line with one… how many of you will take the time to just say thank you to them then?

  30. Hey bright boy if you don’t know the difference between holding someone as a hero and praising someone for being a hero it ads to the my question…. Drunk, Stoned, or just Stupid….

  31. I… ME… don’t hold COPS and FireFighters as Heroes……

    Masterson I support the police, but you will not find a post on here where I call them heroes for doing their job. Nor fire fighters

    Ouch!

  32. For each and every Dr, Nurse, FireFighter, and Cop.

    Tell me next summer when you pass one or are in line with one… how many of you will take the time to just say thank you to them then?

    I certainly will never thank any cop here. They are ignorant, power abusing brutal bastards.

  33. So let me get this right, Patrick is saying Nurses Doctors cops and firefighters do heroic jobs and are heroes every day but nobody should ever praise them as heroes.

    Well, yes I suppose that makes sense in some alternative universe 🙂

  34. …. the one where Trump is adored by the world and Obama is in the stocks… 🙂

  35. I certainly will never thank any cop here. They are ignorant, power abusing brutal bastards

    I was earlier having an over the garden conversation with my neighbours mother, she lived in Spain for a number of years, she said the exact same thing about the Guardia Civil; they resemble a para-military force more so than a police force.

  36. The Guardia Civil are a force of bad and badly led cops, with a bad history like the old B Specials or much of the RUC

    I wouldn’t compare them with the majority of police

  37. When the coronavirus wave hit many nurses and doctors in hospitals were assigned from their usual specialties to work on covid-19 patients which is much more dangerous than their usual specialties. Nurse and doctors in an oncology department, for example, would be exposed to very little risk of illness and death but when assigned to working on covid-19 patients the risk of illness and death greatly increases. Also working on covid-19 patients puts nurse and doctors under much greater psychological stress; in NY we have had a few commit suicide.

    So, for many nurses and doctors working on covid-19 patients it not their usual job and they should be applauded for doing extraordinary service under difficult and dangerous conditions.

    I agree that clerks at grocery and chemist shops, the guys who remove garbage/rubbish, transportation workers, police and fire service and others who are subject to working in this pandemic deserve praise and are sometimes forgotten.

  38. oh by the way Phantom ….. the ride does sound like it was enjoyable…..

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