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  1. She speaks of mosques being filled in defiance of the lockdown.

    Is that comment really?

    Here, the Muslims AFAIK are honoring the lockdown and are not congregating much at all.

    But the Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn have completely disrespected the rules multiple times, a point that I’ve made here twice before – which was followed no additional comment from anyone. Are the ” friends of Israel ” or whatever unwilling to criticize any Jews for any acts at any time?

    The muslims are observing the rules much better than the Jews around here, lady. Maybe yours are different.

  2. She speaks of mosques being filled in defiance of the lockdown.

    Is that comment really?

    Here, the Muslims AFAIK are honoring the lockdown and are not congregating much at all.

    But the Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn have completely disrespected the rules multiple times, a point that I’ve made here twice before – which was followed no additional comment from anyone. Are the ” friends of Israel ” or whatever unwilling to criticize any Jews for any acts at any time?

    The muslims are observing the rules much better than the Jews around here, lady. Maybe yours are different.

  3. This woman is the leader of a far right extremism party whose main raison d’etre is to act as an anti-Muslim protest group. There is a lot of rightful criticism to be laid at many aspects of Islam and the behaviour of many Muslims but I wouldn’t trust her comments about mosques being full. As far as I have seen in all news reporting here there has been virtually total compliance from all main faith organisations and places of worship with the emergency regulations. We haven’t had the intentional defiance form some faith groups as has been seen in parts of the USA

  4. Two people from Ireland proffering the extremes of British politics. Ironic

  5. Pete

    Waters speaks of British Muslims disrespecting the social distancing rules

    Do you think that she is correct? And if so, why

  6. Mosques were rather slow to close down. I’ve not seen reports of problems once they did so, but then the media wouldn’t report on them if there were problems.

  7. Many of the NHS staff who have died during this outbreak were Muslims. David Vance tweeted this about one of them:

    Areema Nasreen, the Muslim NHS nurse who died, took her annual leave during the raging pandemic rather than serve patients. We don’t know how long her holiday was, or if she was abroad, eg Pakistan, when she caught the virus. We are grateful to all selfless NHS workers.

    And this about another.

    After training in Bangladesh, Dr Mabud abandoned his nation’s desperate medical needs, and used his diplomas as a ticket to migrate to the UK. His 18th March plea to Boris for PPE was sadly far too late. May his tragic death encourage us to reduce third world nations’ brain drain

    It comes as no surprise to see him engaging in pally banter with a leading figure of the far-right, given the increasingly vicious bigotry he displays in public.

  8. masterson – would you say that, on balance, having a large population of muslims in the UK has been beneficial to the UK and its native people?

  9. Mosques were rather slow to close down.

    Yes they were. There is evidence that the rapid spread in Birmingham was connected to mosques. And mosque funerals. And of course the same applies in Pakistan and Iran and Saudi-Arabia and a few other states in thrall to the sky-god called Mohammed. The mosques had to stay open in case the spell of the sky-god got broken. That had to be avoided at all costs, even if it meant tens of thousands of avoidable deaths.

    Watters is a far-right islam-hating racist. No-one should give her the slightest endorsement if they want to avoid being tainted.

  10. Unless these numbers are all wrong, Pakistan is in much better shape then the UK, France, Germany, Italy.

    The linked exhibit Shows far fewer cases and far fewer deaths than those countries, despite the fact that Pakistan has an big population of 197 million, larger than the above four European countries

    It appears to be performing much better than the United States also

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/30/822491838/coronavirus-world-map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-outbreak

  11. so Pakistan only locked down the one province. The data thats now needed is from the areas they didn’t lockdown extending outwards in concentric 10 mile circles from the lockdown zone.

    That’s where the tell tale data of what and why will really come from.

  12. They did a lot of other things

    The other provinces shut down later

    -All-Schools nationally were shut down in mid March

    National independence parade was shut down

    No one is sure why their Result is relatively good and why the US UK and Italian result is so relatively bad

  13. there has to be something. That’s why data is so critical.

    No matter who did or didn’t do what in any of our countries the actions of the chinese was criminal. Natural or manmade is irrelevant their behavior cost 100s of thousands of lives.

  14. The Chinese government will be condemned my history for what they did

    And neither the United States nor Europe ( UK and EU ) will look at them the same way from now on.

    But back to Pakistan for a second. If we assume that it was a good idea to restrict international flights, they made the best decision of all – to ban all international flights. The US never did this. Nonstop Flights from China continued Well after the presidents announcement. And the flights from Europe, the back door entry for the virus as it were, Continued Without restriction for a time; nonstop flights from The UK, one of the hardest hit countries, never stopped at all. British Airways and United fly daily nonstops to JFK/EWR even now.

    I do not think that it’s wrong that these flights are operating. I only mention it because people make a big deal about trump stopping ( some ) non US travelers from China. Poor Pakistan was way more decisive than the US and UK When it came to stopping international travel.

  15. British Airways and United fly daily nonstops from Heathrow to JFK/EWR even now.

    Delta also flies nonstops from Heathrow to JFK, but not every day.

  16. Lebanon has had the strictest lockdown that I’m aware of. Going out for exercise is not permitted. What it must be like cooped up in densely populated Beirut or Tripoli I cannot begin to imagine.

    That said, with 911 cases and just 26 deaths, they are doing something right.

  17. The part I managed to watch has her suggesting that China could be successfully sued or I believe somehow made to reimburse the UK. That seems to be her plan. Is there an rational person who thinks that is feasible?

  18. Anyone who thinks China would accept the ruling of any court National or International that they were legally responsible and required to pay financial recompense to other states is living in cloud cuckoo land. I would think the suggestions for such legal actions are more about creating a global rhetorical movement against China rather than any expectation of concrete financial redress.

  19. The Philippines took China to an international tribunal over China’s seizure of the South China Sea

    China lost

    And China has never respected the verdict

    China is a clumsy, imperialist menace

  20. Never mind – y’all shall soon be getting the ‘vaccine’, whether you want it or not:

    https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2184808/dod-awards-138-million-contract-enabling-prefilled-syringes-for-future-covid-19/source/GovDelivery/

    Statement attributed to Lt. Col. Mike Andrews, Department of Defense spokesman:

    “Today the Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, announce a $138 million contract with ApiJect Systems America for “Project Jumpstart” and “RAPID USA,” which together will dramatically expand U.S. production capability for domestically manufactured, medical-grade injection devices starting by October 2020.

    Spearheaded by the DOD’s Joint Acquisition Task Force (JATF), in coordination with the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, the contract will support “Jumpstart” to create a U.S.-based, high-speed supply chain for prefilled syringes beginning later this year by using well-established Blow-Fill-Seal (BFS) aseptic plastics manufacturing technology, suitable for combatting COVID-19 when a safe and proven vaccine becomes available.

    This looks as though forced-vaccination is intended for a pathogen less dangerous than a bad flu. But it would only be evident if the numbers exceed the target population – so is that the case?

    The contract also enables ApiJect Systems America to accelerate the launch of RAPID USA manufactured in new and permanent U.S.-based BFS facilities with the ultimate production goal of over 500 million prefilled syringes (doses) in 2021. This effort will be executed initially in Connecticut, South Carolina and Illinois, with potential expansion to other U.S.-based locations. RAPID will provide increased lifesaving capability against future national health emergencies that require population-scale vaccine administration on an urgent basis.

    500 million doses for 2021, administered by the US military – that’s compulsion. And I have no doubt that the same shall apply in the UK

  21. I would doubt very much that the US military will be administering the vaccine to the public.

    This is yet another delusional fantasy

  22. Phantom,
    //Unless these numbers are all wrong, Pakistan is in much better shape then the UK, France, Germany, Italy.//

    The numbers from certain countries look decidedly odd in comparison with others. Especially when comparing the number of people infected with the number of deaths.
    Could it be that those countries have a younger average age in their population, or less people with long-term health issues affected by coronavirus? Could they be counting the number of dead using different parameters, or deliberately not including coronavirus deaths in the final figure? It’s most likely, a combination of factors.
    Whatever the reason for the differences, it would be interesting to find out why those differences exist.

  23. Phantom, on May 18th, 2020 at 11:48 AM Said:

    I would doubt very much that the US military will be administering the vaccine to the public.

    This is yet another delusional fantasy

    Phantom – would you inform the DoD that there is no $138 million contract with ApiJect Systems America for “Project Jumpstart” and “RAPID USA,” for 500 million prefilled syringes (doses) by 2021. Obviously, whoever put out that bulletin is suffering delusional fantasy.

    The President went on Fox News this week and said that he’s going to deploy the military to vaccinate the population.

    Yeah, I think we’re gonna have a vaccine by the end of the year, we’re doing very well with a vaccine, and I will tell you something I just, literally left a meeting, we’re mobilizing our military, and other forces, but we’re mobilizing our military. On the basis that we do have a vaccine, you know, it’s a massive job to give this vaccine, our military is now being mobilized, so at the end of the year we’re going to be able to give it to a lot of people, very very rapidly….

    …..whether they agree or not. That’s what a military is for 🙂

  24. Trump babbles a lot of crackhead bullshit

    Unlike you, I hope that a vaccine is developed

    And when it is developed, it will be administered to the public the same way that existing vaccines are — Almost always in a doctors office, or at a pharmacy. Why would it be administered in any other way this time? Quick, make something up!

    The anti-science/anti knowledge/ anti-vaccination movement that you are a part of will be a problem. Because a vaccine will be more effective if more people take it. But it is highly unlikely that these ignorant people will be forced to take the vaccine, unless they’re in the military or something

  25. Vaccines are probably the intellectual development that has saved most lives. People who reflexively oppose them are ridiculous.

  26. As life becomes safer and safer, as lifespans steadily increase, Some among us become ever more terrified.

    Of “ chemicals “, GMO, EMF, vaccines. Everything under the sun.

  27. And when it is developed, it will be administered to the public the same way that existing vaccines are — Almost always in a doctors office, or at a pharmacy. Why would it be administered in any other way this time? Quick, make something up!

    Phantom – as you can see and apparently do not dispute, the US military has ordered 500 million syringes which covers the entire US population, for a program in 2021, and the military is being mobilised accordingly, and that implies compulsion. Now make something up about that 🙂

    People who reflexively oppose them (vaccines) are ridiculous.

    Agreed, which is why the data should be reviewed – and then opinion should be tailored to those results which have been disastrous. The vaccine causes the very disease that it is supposed to protect against, and the fundamental shows that the vaccine cannot work anyway:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28479213

    Abstract

    The concept of “original antigenic sin” was first proposed by Thomas Francis, Jr. in 1960. This phenomenon has the potential to rewrite what we understand about how the immune system responds to infections and its mechanistic implications on how vaccines should be designed. Antigenic sin has been demonstrated to occur in several infectious diseases in both animals and humans, including human influenza infection and dengue fever. The basis of “original antigenic sin” requires immunological memory, and our immune system ability to autocorrect. In the context of viral infections, it is expected that if we are exposed to a native strain of a pathogen, we should be able to mount a secondary immune response on subsequent exposure to the same pathogen. “Original antigenic sin” will not contradict this well-established immunological process, as long as the subsequent infectious antigen is identical to the original one. But “original antigenic sin” implies that when the epitope varies slightly, then the immune system relies on memory of the earlier infection, rather than mount another primary or secondary response to the new epitope which would allow faster and stronger responses. The result is that the immunological response may be inadequate against the new strain, because the immune system does not adapt and instead relies on its memory to mount a response. In the case of vaccines, if we only immunize to a single strain or epitope, and if that strain/epitope changes over time, then the immune system is unable to mount an accurate secondary response. In addition, depending of the first viral exposure the secondary immune response can result in an antibody-dependent enhancement of the disease or at the opposite, it could induce anergy. Both of them triggering loss of pathogen control and inducing aberrant clinical consequences.

    There it is. If an attenuated form of pathogen is injected into a subject, the immune system shall develop response to the attenuated pathogen only – and not to the wild pathogen. This explains why measles outbreaks occur in heavily-immunised populations simply because the immune systems of the vaccinated subjects are primed against the attenuated pathogen introduced by the vaccine, and not against the wild pathogen hence outbreaks in vaccinated populations.

  28. Phantom, on May 18th, 2020 at 2:09 PM Said:

    Poor Allan.

    Phantom – you really are utterly incapable, aren’t you? I provide you with my case and the supporting data, and the fundamental behind it from an impeccable source – and it just means nothing to you, you poor specimen. What exactly is your case – believe everything that the government tells you? Is that it??

  29. I don’t believe in everything that any government, especially the current one, says.

    But I don’t believe in every Turkish controlled demolition EMF Mossad GMO Deep State yarn either.

  30. Harri, on May 18th, 2020 at 2:14 PM Said:

    Poor response.

    It is indeed, but Phantom as always misses the main point of contention which is the compulsion aspect of vaccination and the militarisation of any forthcoming program based on the Covid-hoax. That vaccines cannot work is shown and known, but the shit that accompanies the attenuated pathogen in vaccines is what really does damage to recipients. The rates of autism, auto-immune diseases, collapsing IQ and competency etc are directly related to the numbers of vaccines in child-to-adult program as mandated by big-pharma. And now ‘new’ maladies…..such as Kawasaki disease

    Up to 5 NY Children Dead, 100 Sickened by Rare COVID-Related Illness

  31. The only collapsed IQ is in an Aberdeen basement.

    Vaccines have never been mandatory. I highly doubt that this one will be either.

    Are you in favor of any medical technology, or are you against all of it?

    Are hip replacements and pacemakers a nefarious plot?

  32. Colm – on the matter under discussion which is particularly addressed by the posts of 11.43am, 12.05pm and 2.03pm, do you have anything to contribute?

    Do you disagree with Harri in that Phantom’s response is poor? Do you consider Phantom’s response to be sufficent to refute the case put in the above posts?

  33. The scientific evidence for the success of vaccines is so massive so overwhelming so consistent and a clear global medical triumph for nearly 200 years since Jenner and the cowpox discovery, that it is pointless wasting time responding to Allan’s nonsense that Vaccine’s don’t work.

  34. Allan

    Yes I do think Phantom’s response is sufficient. Your anti-Vaccs nonsense is as worthy as making an argument that the moon is made of Cheddar cheese !

  35. The military have been used for many civilian functions in times of crisis, collecting rubbish, firefighting, building projects etc.

    It’s entirely plausible that the military could be used in logistical distribution of any vaccine and / or military medical personel could be used to administer it. What the implicit suggestion above is that armed soldiers will coerce the civilian population into being vaccinated.

    Another theory takes legs.

  36. Allan

    You are completely discredited by all thinking people here, a figure of fun to all except harri, for God knows what reason, and maybe Pete.

    There is a reason for this, and it’s not that the majority are stupid.

  37. Phantom, on May 18th, 2020 at 2:34 PM Said:

    The only collapsed IQ is in an Aberdeen basement.

    Vaccines have never been mandatory. I highly doubt that this one will be either.

    Are you in favor of any medical technology, or are you against all of it?

    Are hip replacements and pacemakers a nefarious plot?

    Phantom – you revert to blowing smoke whenever you are under fire, and you brought this upon yourself.

    Do you not believe that the US military is procuring 500 million syringes for a Covid-vaccine program to be implemented in 2021?
    I contend that when a vaccine program is implemented by the military, then it is reasonable to infer compulsion, and only an idiot can state

    Vaccines have never been mandatory

    when I’m clearly discussing the immediate future.

    Of the material which I have provided, which do you consider to be fake/false/disinformation/anything and why?

  38. Any talk of the military is just Trump’s drug addicted crackhead ramblings.

    Trust me, the pharma companies have no problem distributing their products.

    And every big box Walgreens / CVS / Rite Aid pharmacy and very many doctors give flu shots now, and could easily do this as well.

    The military role should be to give the vaccinations to troops and some others on military bases.

  39. The sky falling tomorrow seems to be a prominent feature in many far right arguments.

  40. that it is pointless wasting time responding to Allan’s nonsense that Vaccine’s don’t work.

    Brilliant – “I’m not looking”…..”I refuse to look” 🙂

    The vaccine causes the very disease that it is supposed to protect against, and the fundamental shows that the vaccine cannot work anyway:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28479213

    Abstract

    The concept of “original antigenic sin” was first proposed by Thomas Francis, Jr. in 1960. This phenomenon has the potential to rewrite what we understand about how the immune system responds to infections and its mechanistic implications on how vaccines should be designed. Antigenic sin has been demonstrated to occur in several infectious diseases in both animals and humans, including human influenza infection and dengue fever. The basis of “original antigenic sin” requires immunological memory, and our immune system ability to autocorrect. In the context of viral infections, it is expected that if we are exposed to a native strain of a pathogen, we should be able to mount a secondary immune response on subsequent exposure to the same pathogen. “Original antigenic sin” will not contradict this well-established immunological process, as long as the subsequent infectious antigen is identical to the original one. But “original antigenic sin” implies that when the epitope varies slightly, then the immune system relies on memory of the earlier infection, rather than mount another primary or secondary response to the new epitope which would allow faster and stronger responses. The result is that the immunological response may be inadequate against the new strain, because the immune system does not adapt and instead relies on its memory to mount a response. In the case of vaccines, if we only immunize to a single strain or epitope, and if that strain/epitope changes over time, then the immune system is unable to mount an accurate secondary response. In addition, depending of the first viral exposure the secondary immune response can result in an antibody-dependent enhancement of the disease or at the opposite, it could induce anergy. Both of them triggering loss of pathogen control and inducing aberrant clinical consequences.

    There it is. If an attenuated form of pathogen is injected into a subject, the immune system shall develop response to the attenuated pathogen only – and not to the wild pathogen. This explains why measles outbreaks occur in heavily-immunised populations simply because the immune systems of the vaccinated subjects are primed against the attenuated pathogen introduced by the vaccine, and not against the wild pathogen hence outbreaks in vaccinated populations.

  41. Phantom, on May 18th, 2020 at 2:45 PM Said:

    Any talk of the military is just Trump’s drug addicted crackhead ramblings.

    Phantom – do you dispute that the US military is procuring 500 million syringes for a Covid-vaccine program for 2021?

  42. Allan. You’re implicitly suggesting the the US military will be used to coerce the civilian population to take this vaccine?

    Is that correct?

  43. Allan

    If there isn’t a coerced vaccine program implemented in the USA in the next 24 months, will you agree to wear a dunce cap for one full day in the center of Abderdeen, and to have it live streamed on facebook?

  44. The Depth of Defense is partnering with Health and Human Services to procure the syringes. It is a well publicized fact. That doesn’t mean that the military is going to administer the vaccine.

  45. yes its ridiculous to suggest the Military will be coercing everyone to take a vaccine. Everyone – by everyone I mean Allan – knows it will actually be carried out by a sinister army of ‘volunteers’ recruited by Bill Gates – we’ll call then ‘Gatekeepers’ who armed with a gun in one hand and a syringe (containing a microchip) in the other will gently ‘persuade’ the world’s population to surrender to Daddy Bill 🙂

  46. Allan

    Have you ever spent an entire day without being terrified about some imaginary plot?

    This stuff can’t be good for your health.

    You may want to try meditation. You won’t, but you should.

  47. There might be more than 50,000 pharmacists/doctors/nurses who give vaccine shots now.

    But Allan thinks that the plan is to have US Marine Corps infantry troops giving the shots.

    This is a special kind of stupid.

    I think that he’s eligible for a prize of some sort.

  48. A lot of lunatics are calling Covid-19 a “plandemic” and/or “scamdemic”. I’m not sure if Allan is using these terms or if he has specifically singled out “The Jews” in this instance. If not, it might signal a shift of some sort in his MO.

  49. I know people in real life who believe in this plandemic bullshit

    The new devil figure for these guys is Bill Gates, and for many of them it is Dr. Fauci.

    For some reason, Allan hasn’t fully turned on Dr. Fauci yet. I expect him, and other conspiracy guys here to turn on Fauci in the near future.

    If only Gates and Fauci were Jewish….

  50. Have you ever spent an entire day without being terrified about some imaginary plot?

    Probaly not. The more theories there are the easier it is to attempt to confuse and confound by jumping between them. Incidentally, it’s not about being terrified but displaying your superiority over the ‘sheeple’ by seeing what they can’t. A messiah complex for the internet age.

  51. The web is a great source of sharing truth, but it’s just as good at sharing lies.

    And some of the bad guys have really good communication skills.

  52. Part of the problem is that anyone can spout off any theory without any accountability. We see it here daily.

  53. Yes.

    There is a default tendency to think that anything in writing is true, unless proven otherwise.

  54. And some of the bad guys have really good communication skills.

    Someone like Alex Jones is a case in point. Say what you will but the guy is an entertainer and can pull a crowd. I wonder what kind of audience he has now that he’s been banned from every platform under the sun.

  55. Part of the problem is that anyone can spout off any theory without any accountability. We see it here daily.

    In the early days of blogging, you would regularly see mea culpas and people conceding the point when presented with the facts. It’s not entirely dead but you don’t see a whole lot of that know, particularly on the (toxic beyond belief) Twitter.

  56. Alex Jones has such good communication skills he could have been as big as Limbaugh, Hannity or any of the other more presentable frauds, had he been able to rein himself in better, had he not attacked Sandy Hook families, etc which made him beyond the pale for most.

    He is still a big enough deal, and I bet that he still speaks to the president every so often.

    https://www.infowars.com/

  57. Say what you will but the guy is an entertainer and can pull a crowd

    I recently watched a filum based on a true story called Imperium in which Harry Potter Daniel Ratcliffe plays an FBI agent who goes undercover in a Neo Nazi group who are planning an Oklahoma type bombing with ties to an ‘citizen journalist’ neo Nazi underground radio presenter.

    Anyway, the presenter is pulled in for questioning to which he replies, ‘listen, I’m an entertainer, I entertain. I tell these bozos what they want to hear because they’re a ready made audience who’ll believe anything. I’m only interested in money and promotion’

    It made me wonder how many of them there are.

  58. Alex Jones may be like the television evangelists who are primarily motivated by riches, who know how to go out and grab it from the sheep.

    They would all have learned from this guy in the 1980s, Trump too!

  59. And some of the bad guys have really good communication skills.

    Yeah they work at NYTs, WaPo, Politico, MSNBC, CNN,……

    The virus is real, the danger was real, the initial reaction was correct.

    Now it’s all politics.

    You can’t avoid being exposed, if they come up with a vaccine take the damn vaccine…. it won’t have a nano tracking chip in it, but if you’re highrisk it may save your life.

    NOW GET BACK TO WORK.

  60. Yeah they work at NYTs, WaPo, Politico, MSNBC, CNN

    Whereas, the Conservative Treehouse, Fox News, Breitbart, The Federalist etc are all 100% cross my heart Gospel.

    Here we go, denial of reality stonewalling. Those ‘alternative facts’ must be mantained.

  61. No they are just different sources who happened to get the story correct.

    There are no ‘alternative facts’ there are the ones Proven and the ones NOT Proven.

    The “Facts” by NYTs, WaPo, Politico, MSNBC, CNN were never proven.

    The “Facts” by Conservative Treehouse, Fox News, Breitbart, The Federalist etc are being Proven more and more everyday.

    and you can’t accept let alone admit that you were lied to…..

  62. There are no “facts” on the alleged Obama administration corruption until there are convictions Patrick. That’s what you said on the Trump investigations, so you have to apply the same criteria to these new allegations.

  63. The Conservative Treehouse repeated the story about Puerto Rico truckers refusing to work in the aftermath of the hurricane, and the female cop reporting it to a waiting world.

    Was that a true story Pat?

    You and Patty took that yarn pretty seriously at the time.

  64. The “Facts” by NYTs, WaPo, Politico, MSNBC, CNN were never proven

    An inversion of ‘alternative facts’

    *Sigh, yet again:

    On Russian collusion with the Trump administration:

    The news sources that I refer to above reported the facts as they emerged and never lied about anything. Members of the Trump administration met with Russian represntatives and political propaganda sites were screaming they didn’t. That can’t factually be denied and that’s what the sources were reporting.

    NONE of the sources, the NYT, the Wapo or the BBC, claimed that Trump was guilty as you are trying to imply. They simply reported the facts and let others come to a conclusion based on the facts they were reporting – it’s what news sources are supposed to do.

    On Flynn:

    The fact of the matter is that Flynn confessed to lying to a Federal Agency – yes, he really did, and the sources above reported on this. When a heavily politicised decision was taken to drop the Flynn charges the same sources reported these facts too unlike your political propaganda sites who were screaming that he was innocent the whole time, even before the aleged ‘duress’ allegations arose.

    If there are any any factual incorrections above please point to them.

    It’s incredible that even a thread with two people from Ireland espousing far right British politics can be derailed yet again to the same old regurgitated rubbish.

  65. Paul McMahon, on May 18th, 2020 at 2:56 PM Said:

    Allan. You’re implicitly suggesting the the US military will be used to coerce the civilian population to take this vaccine?

    Is that correct?

    Yes, a very strong possibility given the facts provided – because the circumstances of the deadly killer virus which has rendered hundreds of millions asymptomatic may require that everybody be vaccinated to eliminate ‘pockets of re-infection’; nor is there any Constitutional right NOT to be vaccinated – according to Alan Dershowitz…..

    Constitutional Law Scholar Alan Dershowitz discusses the troubling recent attacks on allegedly inalienable rights of U.S. Citizens.

    Bear in mind that this deadly virus is so deadly that entire countries have to be shut down because of utterly dreadful code written by an academic who has a consistent record of failure

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/coding-led-lockdown-totally-unreliable-buggy-mess-say-experts/

    Coding that led to lockdown was ‘totally unreliable’ and a ‘buggy mess’, say experts

    The code, written by Professor Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College London, was impossible to read, scientists claim

    Professor Neil Ferguson’s computer coding was derided as “totally unreliable” by leading figures, who warned it was “something you wouldn’t stake your life on”.

    The model, credited with forcing the Government to make a U-turn and introduce a nationwide lockdown, is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming”, says David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco.

    “In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.”

    Neil Ferguson
    · 2001

    Professor Ferguson worked on research that led to the mass culling of hundreds of thousands of farm animals during the 2001 foot and mouth disease epidemic. His work was later challenged in reviews by other academics.
    · 2002

    Predicted that between 50 and 50,000 people could die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. He also predicted that number could rise to 150,000 if there was a sheep epidemic as well. In the UK, there have been fewer than 200 deaths from the human form of BSE
    · 2005

    Prof Ferguson claimed that up to 200 million people could be killed from bird flu. In an interview with the Guardian, he compared it to the 1918 Spanish flu, adding: “There are six times more people on the planet now so you could scale it up to around 200 million people probably.” Only several hundred people died worldwide.
    · 2009

    The Imperial team predicted that swine flu had a case fatality rate of between 0.3 per cent and 1.5 per cent, with his most likely estimate landing at 0.4 per cent. A Government estimate based on his advice was that a reasonable worst-case scenario was the disease would lead to 65,000 UK deaths. Swine flu killed just 457 people in the UK, with the chief medical officer concluding in 2009 that the actual mortality rate was 0.026 per cent.
    · March 2020

    A paper produced by Prof Ferguson’s team predicted that the coronavirus pandemic could lead to 250,000 deaths in the UK unless stringent lockdown measures were implemented. His research is said to have convinced the Government to change direction.
    · May 5 2020

    Professor Ferguson quits the Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (Sage) after The Telegraph confronts him over his married lover visiting him at his home, thereby breaking the lockdown rules

    Many have claimed that it is almost impossible to reproduce the same results from the same data, using the same code. Scientists from the University of Edinburgh reported such an issue, saying they got different results when they used different machines, and even in some cases, when they used the same machines.

    There it is – the ‘scientific’ basis of the lockdown and the urgent ‘need’ for a vaccine which shall be by coercion (no flying, no passport…) or full-on compulsion by force. Let’s face it – there are enough idiots in the police who would do the necessary as this lockdown shows. But the great bulk of the herd will be happy to be vaccinated……

  66. Yes, a very strong possibility given the facts provided

    No I don’t think it’s a strong possibility at all, as I say above,

    The military have been used for many civilian functions in times of crisis, collecting rubbish, firefighting, building projects etc.

    It’s entirely plausible that the military could be used in logistical distribution of any vaccine and / or military medical personel could be used to administer it

    So, behind the virtual reams of disaparate and time consuming links your evidence boils down to nothing more than a highly subjective paranoid opinion of a ‘strong possibility’

  67. and again you repeated the nonsense that all the lockdowns and restrictions enacted by all the different countries around the world were purely due to the codes and forecast advice made to the UK govt. by one man in one English research institute. Wow ! Britannia rules the waves indeed 🙂

  68. Paul

    I will stick my neck out here.

    I strongly assume, it will be, no vaccination, no permission to travel.

    It’s the “new normal”

  69. Wow ! Britannia rules the waves indeed 🙂

    Wow!

    Fair play Colm.

    Can’t argue with that one.

  70. Phantom, on May 18th, 2020 at 3:05 PM Said:

    Allan

    If there isn’t a coerced vaccine program implemented in the USA in the next 24 months, will you agree to wear a dunce cap for one full day in the center of Abderdeen, and to have it live streamed on facebook?

    Phantom – if there is a coercive vaccine program implemented in the US in the next 24 months, you quit ATW: I’ll do likewise if there isn’t.
    As a minimum, ‘coercive’ to mean threatened loss of rights as compared to those who take the vaccine, as cited at the foot of the post at 8.42pm

    Here’s your Turkish journal 🙂 for you to take with you when you leave…..

    THE FAT CLUB….

    http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/havuz/biy-1406-61.pdf

    Genotoxicity of the GM diet was also demonstrated in germ cells as increased numbers of cells with chromosomal aberrations and in liver cells as increased ratios of DNA fragmentation. In conclusion, the results of the present work indicate that there are health hazards linked to the ingestion of diets containing genetically modified components

  71. Posse Comitatus. The military will not be used in the manner suggested by the Oracle of Aberdeen.
    Next….

  72. Paul McMahon, on May 18th, 2020 at 8:55 PM Said:

    Yes, a very strong possibility given the facts provided

    No I don’t think it’s a strong possibility at all, as I say above,

    Then we disagree

    Obviously you consider the deadly killer virus to be so deadly and such a killer that entire economies must be shut down and vaccines urgently developed and made available by the military on an unprecedented scale etc. What is the basis of your fear?

  73. Yes H, It’s not impossible but I’ll be surprised if there’s a vaccine in two weeks time either.

    Not ‘obviously’ anything Allan. Bar the fact of it being highly infectious I don’t know what it is yet and I’d prefer to err on the side of caution until a clearer picture of it arises.

    The only certainty here is that you ‘soldiers will coerce the military population to vaccinate’ is based on nothing more than a paranoid opinion.

  74. Mahons, on May 18th, 2020 at 9:03 PM Said:

    Posse Comitatus.

    Brilliant!!

    You reckon that the law will be used to stop the mad-vaxxers? They own the law. Pharmaceuticals are the biggest bribers lobbyists of Congress which, as measured by money, is the most corrupt law-making body of all-time

    https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/industries/summary?cycle=2019&id=H4300

    https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/10/big-pharma-continues-to-top-lobbying-spending/

    The pharmaceutical industry is holding on to its title as the top lobbying force in Washington amid pressure from lawmakers at all ends of the ideological spectrum.

    Drugmakers have spent more than $129 million through September, slightly down from nearly $133 million at this time last year, but still far more than any other industry.

    There it is – they OWN the Law

  75. The ” entire economies ” have not been shut down.

    You always exaggerate.

  76. The only certainty here is that you ‘soldiers will coerce the military population to vaccinate’ is based on nothing more than a paranoid opinion.

    Paul – at 11.43am I wrote……

    https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2184808/dod-awards-138-million-contract-enabling-prefilled-syringes-for-future-covid-19/source/GovDelivery/

    Statement attributed to Lt. Col. Mike Andrews, Department of Defense spokesman:

    “Today the Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, announce a $138 million contract with ApiJect Systems America for “Project Jumpstart” and “RAPID USA,” which together will dramatically expand U.S. production capability for domestically manufactured, medical-grade injection devices starting by October 2020.

    Spearheaded by the DOD’s Joint Acquisition Task Force (JATF), in coordination with the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, the contract will support “Jumpstart” to create a U.S.-based, high-speed supply chain for prefilled syringes beginning later this year by using well-established Blow-Fill-Seal (BFS) aseptic plastics manufacturing technology, suitable for combatting COVID-19 when a safe and proven vaccine becomes available.

    This looks as though forced-vaccination is intended for a pathogen less dangerous than a bad flu. But it would only be evident if the numbers exceed the target population – so is that the case?

    The contract also enables ApiJect Systems America to accelerate the launch of RAPID USA manufactured in new and permanent U.S.-based BFS facilities with the ultimate production goal of over 500 million prefilled syringes (doses) in 2021. This effort will be executed initially in Connecticut, South Carolina and Illinois, with potential expansion to other U.S.-based locations. RAPID will provide increased lifesaving capability against future national health emergencies that require population-scale vaccine administration on an urgent basis.

    So far, nobody has disputed that the US military is procuring 500 million syringes for a vaccination program for 2021.

    At 12.05pm, I provided the following…..

    The President went on Fox News this week and said that he’s going to deploy the military to vaccinate the population.

    Yeah, I think we’re gonna have a vaccine by the end of the year, we’re doing very well with a vaccine, and I will tell you something I just, literally left a meeting, we’re mobilizing our military, and other forces, but we’re mobilizing our military. On the basis that we do have a vaccine, you know, it’s a massive job to give this vaccine, our military is now being mobilized, so at the end of the year we’re going to be able to give it to a lot of people, very very rapidly….

    Now that says exactly what it says. I consider there to be a greater than 50/50 chance that the US military shall be used to compel Americans who refuse vaccines to be vaccinated. There is a much greater posibility that non-physical coercion shall be used such as denial of flying, denial of state-schooling to unvaccinated children (that is already in place and sets the precedent), no passports etc. in this ‘new normal’.

    All on the basis of useless code

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/coding-led-lockdown-totally-unreliable-buggy-mess-say-experts/

    Coding that led to lockdown was ‘totally unreliable’ and a ‘buggy mess’, say experts

    The code, written by Professor Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College London, was impossible to read, scientists claim

    Professor Neil Ferguson’s computer coding was derided as “totally unreliable” by leading figures, who warned it was “something you wouldn’t stake your life on”.

    The model, credited with forcing the Government to make a U-turn and introduce a nationwide lockdown, is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming”, says David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco.

    “In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.”

  77. The problem with the 1 plus 1 equals 5 crowd is they never stop to think. If Pharmaceutical lobbyists had that much power why haven’t they flipped the switch before?

  78. I asked you a direct question and you uncharacteristically answered it directly revealing your ‘the military will coerce civilians to vaccinate’ is based on nothing but a paranoid opinion.

    I’m not going down the rabbit hole.There’s no more needs to be said.

  79. Here’s where it’s going…….

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8317547/Everyone-Britain-winter-flu-jab-stop-NHS-getting-overwhelmed.html

    Everyone in the UK may have to get the winter flu jab to prevent the NHS from getting overwhelmed this winter if coronavirus still poses a threat.

    Government ministers have reportedly been advised to vaccinate all members of society by next winter for free, in an effort to free up hospital beds.

    Past Le Point, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, 4 days ago

    Lovely earner for big pharma. Do you really think they want to develope a vaccine that will work on future covid varients? A new one every year, that’s where our will go.

    Then again, Prof. Karel Sikora suggests that the virus will peeter out as they usually do so big-pharma had better get a move-on and deliver that miracle vaccine for Phantom, Paul and colm

  80. based on nothing more than a paranoid opinion.

    writes the guy who is terrified of the flu 🙂

  81. I used to get the winter flu jab at work for free. Didn’t care much for the flu jab but it was 15 minutes out of the office and they threw in a free lollipop as well. Never look a gift horse in the mouth 🙂

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