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When one reads of State abortion policies, and the dramatic consequences thereof, most of us swing our minds towards Communist China, and its’ well-known and -publicised laws such as the One Child Policy. We know that these killings are state-sponsored; whether we all agree of my own terminology namely ‘killing’ is perhaps beside the point. My own views on abortion do not matter in this particular instance because we are talking about the policies of a Government.  Because it is the most populous nation on the planet, whatever the Peoples’ Republic decides, or rules, or legislates has huge and dramatic consequences not only for its’ own population, but also for other Nation States who have comparable population statistics such as India, now some 1,148,000,000, or Indonesia with some 240,000,000. 

The premise that a Government governs with the consent of the governed has little effect on a totalitarian State such as Communist China, where the deliberations of a few ruthless officials, members of the People’s Committee, affect over one and one-third billion people, and it is this last number which determined the One Child Policy. When Chairman Mao still held sway over this nation, the numbers were growing, and the first restrictive laws were imposed on family life; and of course, because the Chinese people even then resented what is surely the most natural function of all humanity being restricted or interfered with, the restrictions were largely ignored. Huge numbers of abortions were carried out, some estimates range as high as 250,000,000 births were either terminated early or during the birthing process, and still the numbers of true Chinese population climb inexorably, because no-one can legislate for human process.

My point and query, dear Reader is this; in the light of the statistics alone listed above, do you believe that similar policies, based of course on the most honourable of intentions, should even be considered for countries such as our own, or would it be a betrayal of everything we have thought precious for nearly a millenium? Should we even be listening to the likes of Jonathon Porrit, or should he and his confreres be consigned to a very dark cage in the fastness of some mediaeval castle?

 

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11 thoughts on “paving? good question!

  1. If there are people out there crazy enough to center their "family-planning" around this, perhaps it’s a good thing these individuals don’t reproduce !?

    Contrary to many visitors on this blog, I do care about the environment and try to do "my little bit", be more careful, less wasteful etc etc.

    However, there is a serious problem (with the human race) when considerations such as this become a parameter in making the decision to have a child/a family.

    Perhaps all the geniuses out there who deem that "having more than two children is irresponsible" should follow through on their own logic, and stop exploiting the planer themselves. Become fertilizer !!!

  2. I quite liked the bit from the mother of six who said that they do their bit for the planet by never flying long-haul.
    Coming from a large family (I have four brothers) that is certainly true.

    Should we listen to Mr Porrit? Yes.
    Is he right? I don’t know.
    Do we have to agree with everything he says? No.

  3. Coming from a large family (I have four brothers)

    You think thats large? Obviously you’re not Irish.

  4. The whole conception of population control is offensive to the mind and is based on an extreme brand of environmentalism:

    “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
    – Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

    “A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our
    economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
    – Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies

    “The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”
    – Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

    “Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
    – Professor Maurice King

    “We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land.”
    – David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

    “Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to
    discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
    – Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

    “The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
    – Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

    “Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
    – Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

    “Our insatiable drive to rummage deep beneath the surface of the earth is a willful expansion
    of our dysfunctional civilization into Nature.”
    – Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

    “The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
    – Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview

    “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
    -Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

    “Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake,
    use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
    – Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit

    “All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and
    behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
    – Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

    “Mankind is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish and unethical animal on the earth.”
    – Michael Fox, vice-president of The Humane Society

    “Humans on the Earth behave in some ways like a pathogenic micro-organism, or like the cells of a tumor.”
    – Sir James Lovelock, Healing Gaia

    “The Earth has cancer and the cancer is Man.”
    – Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

    "A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells, the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions."
    – Prof. Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb.

    "A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible."
    – United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment.

    “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
    – Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor.

    “… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
    – Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

    "One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it."
    – Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier

    “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
    – Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund

    “I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
    – John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

    “The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.”
    – Christopher Manes, Earth First!

    "Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."
    – David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

    “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
    – Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

    “We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
    – Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports

    “Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.”
    – Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

    “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
    – Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

    "We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."
    – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

    "No matter if the science of global warming is all phony, climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
    -Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

    "The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level."
    – Al Gore, accepting the Nobel Peace Prize

    "The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."
    – emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

    "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis."
    – David Rockefeller, Club of Rome executive manager

    "Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the world’s scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send out entire planet’s climate system into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced – a catastrophe of our own making."
    – Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth

    "By the end of this century, climate change will reduce the human population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic."
    – Sir James Lovelock, Revenge of Gaia

    "Climate Change will result in a catastrophic, global seal level rise of seven meters. That’s bye-bye most of Bangladesh, Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis."
    – Greenpeace International

    "In Nature organic growth proceeds according to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is missing from the process of growth and development of the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years from today it will probably be too late."
    – Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

    "The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable, indeed a sacred principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation."
    – UN Commission on Global Governance report

    "Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time."
    – Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

    "In my view, after fifty years of service in the United National system, I perceive the utmost urgency and absolute necessity for proper Earth government. There is no shadow of a doubt that the present political and economic systems are no longer appropriate and will lead to the end of life evolution on this planet. We must therefore absolutely and urgently look for new ways."
    – Dr. Robert Muller, UN Assistant Secretary General

    "Nations are in effect ceding portions of their sovereignty to the international community and beginning to create a new system of international environmental governance as a means of solving otherwise unmanageable crises."
    – Lester Brown, WorldWatch Institute

    "A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income."
    – Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

    "Adopting a central organizing principle means embarking on an all-out effort to use every policy and program, every law and institution, to halt the destruction of the environment."
    – Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

    "Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced – a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."
    – UN Agenda 21

    "The earth is literally our mother, not only because we depend on her for nurture and shelter but even more because the human species has been shaped by her in the womb of evolution. Our salvation depends upon our ability to create a religion of nature."
    – Rene Dubos, board member Planetary Citizens

  5. Jaz says,

    Should we listen to Mr Porrit? Yes.
    Is he right? I don’t know…..

    That’s a bit of a cop-out!

    The logical next step of a proposed two parent family (it’s below replacement level anyway) is to self-select the sex that they want; and it will happen too.
    Research has shown in the past that the determination of the sex (or even the fertility of the parents) of a child is not as random as first thought, but greatly influenced by the social & environmental conditions prevailing. (eg. more boys after a war).
    The Chinese have learn this to their cost where males now outnumber females, and this is causing unrest in thousands of towns where work is scare.

  6. Actually I am Irish – or rather my father was – a Cork man.

    Sorry for copping out – I have no idea if Mr Porrit is right or not. Extreme environmentalism is as nutty as extreme any -ism.

    CO -I found a website that appears to have the same list of quotes as you have posted here. (http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread13678.html). It is all about some huge conspiracy involving people spraying the population from aircraft – or something like that.
    I particularly enjoyed the FAQ about some brown substance being emitted from. "Samples of this substance have been alledgedly analyzed by Margareta-Erminia Cassani and found to be teaming with biological organisms."
    Brown substance, dropped from planes, teaming with biological organisms … I have a rough idea what that might be …

  7. Jaz,

    I reckon I’ve possibly visited the same site.

    I really liked the bit about how all the aircraft contrails were actually tests to poison the entire area underneath the flight path.

  8. It made me laugh that site. I couldn’t work out if it was some huge joke, or if the people who set it up believed it.

  9. This is a pretty clumsy attempt to link Porrit’s statement of his opinion to China’s policy and forced abortions.

    If anything it is more likely that having no regard to sustainable population growth would ultimately result in policies (or results) much like China’s.

    And of course for those who support the state’s right to mandate childbirth, it’s a short step from there to the state mandating abortion.

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