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Wait till he finds out that lockdowns don’t work either. Despite large parts of the country seeing falling infection rates and others with hardly any serious cases, Boris Cromwell has put England back under home arrest for a month. I despair. He has to go.

Hospitalisations and cases are nowhere near what they were in the Spring. All we have now is the usual late-Autumn wave of respiratory illnesses. And this lockdown is going to be much, much worse than the first. The weather was great from March to June. Even so, we had an epidemic of mental illnesses and suicides. The long term affect on cancers and other undiagnosed illnesses will be terrible and there’s no avoiding it.

This lockdown, truly a testament to the appalling state of public governance, will be suffered in the dark and the cold. Spring’s lockdown wrecked Britain’s public finances, bankrupted businesses, baked millions of British redundancies into the cake, caused hundreds of thousands of serious illnesses and diseases to go undiagnosed and untreated, yet the virus was not defeated. It was just paused because lockdowns only pause epidemics. When you lift restrictions, in the absence of herd immunity or a vaccine, it will creep back.

We know that the NHS has sufficient bedspace. It now much better therapeutics. There is not a single good reason for national house arrest again but there are hundreds against. Boris Johnson and his dull, narrow-minded advisors need to go.

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23 thoughts on “BORIS: “MASKS DON’T WORK”

  1. Wait till he finds out that lockdowns don’t work either.

    Australia’s Melbourne enjoys first weekend out of lockdown as COVID-19 cases dwindle

    when the premise of your argument is wrong, the whole falls apart .

  2. Sweden never has a first weekend out of lockdown because it never has a lockdown. There is not one city, region or country anywhere on the planet which stopped the virus with a lockdown.

  3. red herring by perfidious petem, (straw man)
    no-one is claiming you can stop the virus, you can’t
    but what you can do is get the R < 1 , which controls the spread
    that's what you're looking for , as Melbourne have done .

  4. All East Asia has pretty well controlled it

    But no one here wants to Talk about that

    Let’s complain all day

  5. No-one in the Far East is under house arrest. Chin-hammock compliance is no greater than is other countries, e.g, Germany, which are back under house arrest.

    I’m happy to talk about it but reading the same old rubbish about face masks is dispiriting. If someone in these here parts with posting rights and an interest in the subject could put something up then we’re good to go.

  6. There is off the charts more mask wearing in the sober nations of Asia

    No whiny protests

    That’s how you control it

  7. Pete doggedly looking in the rear view mirror as he would have us accelerate into a wall.

  8. Pete doggedly looking in the rear view mirror as he would have us accelerate into a wall.

    “I got mine and can move when the economy disappears.”

  9. Pete wrote:

    “I got mine and can move when the economy disappears”

    Unlike the people your plan would kill.

  10. Many fewer than the people who will die because of the dull-witted, narrow-minded, life-suppressing policies with whch you agree, Frank.

    I know you’re not stupid, and I know you know I’m right.

  11. The lockdown helped to control it

    A genodical regime, a monstrously evil regime, as bad as anything seen in Germany or even in the Soviet Union, which literally welded people into their homes after their lies aided the spread of their virus, and you laud those actions?

    Have you no shame?

  12. Despite large parts of the country seeing falling infection rates and others with hardly any serious cases

    No, hospital admissions are rising in all regions, including the south-west.

    Hospitalisations and cases are nowhere near what they were in the Spring.

    No, in some areas they are already at Spring levels, and rising at an accelerating rate. The best estimate is that at least 50,000 are being infected every day in England, up from 30,000 about two weeks ago. That has serious implications for hospital admissions in November.

    The long term affect on cancers and other undiagnosed illnesses will be terrible and there’s no avoiding it.

    Agreed. We have already condemned tens of thousands to early deaths from cancer due to lack of diagnosis and cancelled operations.

    When you lift restrictions, in the absence of herd immunity or a vaccine, it will creep back.

    Agreed. The only hope of a return to anything like normal is an effective vaccine. There are grounds to hope that one will be deployed by the end of this year but it will take at least six months to roll it out.

  13. At 1000 deaths a day which we soon get to at the current rate, we’d have 31,000 deaths in December alone. That’s a conservative estimate. We’d likely blow way past that. And you would apparently remove many of the few existing restrictions as well which would make it even worse. All this is without factoring in the fact that the NHS would buckle. Most of the people you think lockdown would kill would still be dead and more besides. Somehow you’d “shield the vulnerable”, which nobody has explained how we’d do it, and has been aptly compared to trying to create a urine free lane in a swimming pool. And the economy would still be hit.

    So no I don’t “know you’re right” because you harp on about the outcomes from infections a month ago and never address what’s coming.

    I don’t deny that lockdown only postpones covid infections (but to to a safer time, hence avoiding many deaths). Nor do I deny that lockdown has some terrible effects. But some of the effects of lockdown on health are also positive, and need to be counted too. Doctor caused deaths would be avoided for example – there’ll be some people who had a mild heart attack who are alive now because they didn’t go to hospital. Lockdown also reduced air pollution, traffic accidents and some people will be around longer because of it.

    Chris Whitty had a line in the press conference – there are no good solutions available for this. There’s only degrees of bad. I agree with that.

  14. Peter,

    “ We have already condemned tens of thousands to early deaths from cancer due to lack of diagnosis and cancelled operations.”

    Maybe, if you’re comparing to a time when there was no virus and the nhs operates normally. But that move was not on the board.

    There is no universe where all those operations and treatments go ahead as normal. Nothing short of building a time machine to bring a vaccine back from the future, or to visit the past and fund extra capacity for the nhs, functioning test and trace etc.

    Or, you know, have some kind of a lockdown or which is close as we can get to pressing pause to do some of that.

  15. Peter and Frank –

    You throw out numbers without authority or verification because they are nonsense.

    Peter you say that that “hospital admissions are rising in all regions, including the south-west.” No, admissions are not rising in all regions, and in the south-west, a region of some 6 million people, there are currently just 33 admissions.

    Frank –

    At 1000 deaths a day which we soon get to at the current rate ..

    Oh bullshit, complete bullshit. 1000 deaths per day is higher than the Spring peak, and they were inflated numbers.

    So no I don’t “know you’re right”

    Yes you do. You are less insulting and arrogant on this subject now. Your language is less barbed. You’ve taken the edge from it. That concession shows that you have changed your position.

  16. You throw out numbers without authority or verification because they are nonsense.

    I merely repeated the official figures from today’s broadcast by Johnson. Are you calling the PM a liar?

  17. “ 1000 deaths per day is higher than the Spring peak”

    Higher than the spring peak is where we are headed at the current rate.

    “currently just 33 admissions.”

    “Current” is not a rate of change. It’s 33, and rising. And rising exponentially.

    It’s like compound interest. It’s like the hyperinflation you warned of long ago except it’s real and actually happening.

    “ You are less insulting and arrogant ”

    You’re the one who’s come here with arrogance and insults, fool.

    Anyway whether you really don’t get it or you’re just pretending not to get it, we cannot wait for you to catch up. It seems you will die of old age and the rest of us of boredom before that happens.

  18. I’m not praising the Chinese government

    I am saying that the lockdown there helped control the virus

    Wuhan is more open than London is today

    Not exactly debatable

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