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No print media has been more supportive of Donald Trump over time than the NY Post. They’ve been close allies since the 1970s, before Trump entered politics, before Trump Tower was built, before he opened his first casino in Atlantic City.

Trump has probably been the subject of hundreds of front page Post headlines, Page Six exclusives, half of them planted, nearly all of them positive.

This morning, on the front page, the NY Post gave Trump the Dutch Uncle talk that his fake friends and fake followers didn’t have the character to tell him. They told him that he lost, and that he should man up and concede, and quit playing this game.

It took them a month and a half to say it, but they said it.

The longer it takes Trump to concede, the more it hurts the country, the Republican Party, and any hope for national conservative causes.

Rupert Murdoch is a friend of Trump, but he also knows how to count. Something that the dead-enders don’t know how to do.

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173 thoughts on “NY Post to Trump : Stop Making a Fool of Yourself

  1. Rupert Murdoch is a friend of Trump

    I’d say that that should be amended to a former friend. It doesn’t matter who or what tries to advise him, the POTUS lives in an alternative reality.

  2. Murdoch is more of a true friend than Hannity, Limbaugh Alex Jones Levin and the rest of the frauds who are egging him on in this degrading spectacle.

    A real friend tells you when you are doing wrong.

  3. Trump won’t see it that way.

    He is indeed unhinged, more and more out of touch with reality.

    The NY Post speaks of his trying to ” save ” his ” legacy “, trying to give him a face saving way out. As if he had any legacy to save, other than lies, corruption, gross incompetence, unnecessary deaths.

  4. lmao… I knew this would make a post.

    concede concede….. it ain’t over till it’s done and it may be lost, but whine all they want no one is conceding.

  5. It’s over but you keep continuing to deny reality, it’s entertaining.

    Your guy’s consigned to a history that won’t be kind to him and quite possibly jail.

  6. can’t teach stoopid, they prefer stoopid
    esp laced with malice mainlined like Strychnine for a hopeless junkie

  7. Losing hurts, but Nixon, Gore and Hillary had the spine to accept their loss, no matter how much it hurt.

    They never wanted to put the country through an unnecessary ordeal.

    Trump isn’t man enough to accept defeat, and he doesn’t care how much this charade harms the country, how much it harms the image of the country abroad.

  8. Great post phantom and comments
    You’re calling this well and striking the right note
    Steady unwavering on point and on message .
    You’re burying him , and it’s good to behold

  9. Have you noticed that Pat used to tell us we were all mere days away before we got to watch the whole Obama administration do the perp walk

    Now we are mere days away from proof of massive voter fraud and turnip winning the election

  10. Hitler didn’t concede either. He was ordering non existent divisions to attack the Soviets right up to when he ate a bullet from his luger. It’s a toss up as to whom was the more deluded.

  11. President Donald Trump has yet to concede the election to Joe Biden, but it looks like his Washington, D.C., hotel is no longer holding its breath ― er, rooms.

    The Trump International Hotel had blocked rooms from being booked during Jan. 16-20, presumably in anticipation of his inauguration, according to 1100Pennsylvania.com, a newsletter by investigative journalist Zach Everson that details goings-on at the hotel.

    But according to Everson, those rooms were unblocked this past weekend and are now available for between $886 and $2,225 a night

    Huffington Post

  12. As time creeps towards January hope rises that Trump will hold out like the spoiled child we know he is… if this tantrum lasts until the 10th of January I’m going to start getting really excited. If it gets to the 19th of January I’m going to be 7 years old again on Christmas Eve. Will it really happen… will we see this bum, this petulant child that represents how badly wrong the American political system can get… will he be pulled out of the Oval office by security like the fat kid being dragged kicking and screaming from McDonald’s because their parents wouldn’t buy them a happy meal.
    Please, let there be a sane god!

  13. //If it gets to the 19th of January I’m going to be 7 years old again on Christmas Eve. Will it really happen… will we see this bum, this petulant child that represents how badly wrong the American political system can get… will he be pulled out of the Oval office by security like the fat kid being dragged kicking and screaming from McDonald’s because their parents wouldn’t buy them a happy meal.
    Please, let there be a sane god!//

    Comment of the month, that!

  14. Much as that is a fantastic image, alas I don’t think it will be like that. At the last minute Trump will enact his alternative reality. He will emerge from the White House proclaiming that he is the elected President, he won his second term massively but he has decided he no longer wants the job and is ‘allowing’ Biden to take office. He will leave as the undisputed victor and any other narrative is ‘fake news’. Trump doesn’t lose 🤨

  15. What a magnificently superb image to record for posterity. It would make the US look so dignified, sophisticated and decorous internationally, too.

    I don’t think even the Great Leader would be so stupid.

  16. None of this ever had to be.

    Trump now is ensnared in a trap of his own making.

    He could have conceded gracefully, as almost all other losing candidates have done, but he was too proud, too thick to do it. Now, he thinks that he can’t change course. And if he did, he’d face criticism from the poor dumb jerks who actually believed all this ” stolen election ” stuff over the past weeks.

    The next weeks will be painful for many, but most of all for the president who never tried to do a good job, who never put in the work, who couldn’t even leave the job in the right way.

  17. Funny thing for me as well as all the above is these guys really think they have found the holy grail of Newsmax and Alt right media . An empire awaits , lucrative deals . All thrown off Twitter and onto parler .
    Can you see trump putting in the hours it takes even to be a shock jock or hannity type .
    Much as I despise these people , they have to put the long hours in .
    Looks like Trump will leave as a total joke then .
    He will hate that ofc 🤣

  18. Trump has done structural damage to all conservative causes.

    Which is bad for the country, not only for conservatism.

  19. Like a bunch of giddy schoolgirls…… oh I can’t wait for the 20th oh boy a second Christmas.

    You are very likely to get your wish….. be careful what you wish for.

  20. You are very likely to get your wish….. be careful what you wish for

    What wish is that Pat and why should we be careful?

  21. ” Very likely ” ?

    You mean that Trump’s coup against the voters and the states is not guaranteed to succeed?

    That’s tyranny!

  22. Yes because following the rules of the Constitution is so radical.

    The wish for a Biden Presidency. Lets see what to be careful of…. War in the ME, Oil controlled for all of Europe and GB by the Russians, over one third of American small businesses disappearing forever, another round of Obama era record Bankruptcies, and the unchecked rise of China. just to name a few things.

  23. The wish for a Biden Presidency

    The wish of the EC and the US electorate? That wish?

    If it’s all the same to you Pat, in light of your previous multiple predictions I’m gonna wait until your prophecies come to fruition before I comment on them.

  24. The mask shirkers and Covid truthers, who are well represented here, along with President Clorox are ultimately responsible for all the major problems faced by US business today.

    Take a bow, shirkers.

  25. Paul the vote was stolen. Now Biden will likely be President, and he will get from me the respect of the office which he will deserve, but he cheated. The fact of him getting away with the cheating doesn’t change the truth that he cheated.

    His Presidency will be a disaster, just as Obama’s was if not worse.

  26. Obama’s presidency was fairly successful.

    He was re-elected, unlike some presidents that I could name.

    He remains widely popular, in the US and abroad, also, unlike some others who I could name.

  27. Paul the vote was stolen

    It wasn’t. That’s an absolute untruth pushed by the Cult Leader because he doesn’t like the taste of sour grapes.

    He cheated. The fact of him getting away with the cheating doesn’t change the truth that he cheated.

    He didn’t, a baseless fallacious fantasy. Your guy lost fair and square, deal with it.

  28. LMAO

    The standard reply when you feel you should say something but have nothing to say.

    LYAO all you want, your guy still lost.

  29. The election was stolen.

    All the vote counters were in on the conspiracy. So were Republican and Democratic governors and other senior state officials in Georgia, Arizona and Pennsylvania. So were all the judges, including the judges on the US Supreme Court.

    Only Allan, Patrick, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Alex Jones and the president know the REAL FACTS that THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW.

    MAGA!!

  30. No Paul it’s the standard reply to not get into a stupid fight.

    Phantom is insane, he lost his mind 4 years ago. We’ll see if it’s temporary or not, but you…. you’re just wrong.

    The effort to prove all of you wrong breaks down into a fight with the majority of the site against me. Unlike popular perception I don’t enjoy it.

    I like you, I like Seamus, and Seimi (who I guess is gone), I even tolerate Dave. I accept that you all disagree with me. Some of you can’t accept that I disagree with them, and it gets ugly.

    I wont have it.

    That leaves me a choice. Do I just laugh when I know that if I stress my views it will get ugly, or do I just let it get ugly? I at this point choose to just laugh.

    It may disturb some here that I run the site, but I do, and I don’t want to suspend or ban anyone, and I don’t want the fighting.

    This site will be here for sometime to come. It will ALWAYS be a platform for my views on American Politics and World politics. Along with others to be assured.

    We are expanding our footprint, and upgrading our platforms.

    I personally am an uncivilized bastard who does not play well with others. It is usually better if I just laugh. I will fuck with you and Phantom because you can both take it, and I believe you both understand my insanity better than the others, but my comments if you haven’t noticed have gotten fewer and fewer and will remain that way.

    (unless of course I get bored)

  31. Truly one of the most inspiring adverts I’ve seen all year

    The more I hear about stacey abrams the more I like
    the woman is phenomenal .. just outstanding what she’s done and doing in Georgia

    One that I’m sure PVR agrees with cos he says he’s not a racist mofo
    Prove it !

  32. The fact of the matter is that I and the others here are correct and the cultists are incorrect. That’s it when it’s stripped down to the bare bones and there is no plausible argument against it so a LMAO gives you the appearance of saving face without having to show that you have no arguments to support your claims.

    There is no fight here, (certainly not with me), and yes I have noticed that your comments have got fewer, as have my own and most other what’s left of the regulars here. ATW is dying on its feet, which is unfortunate.

  33. What if I call Stacy Abrams a Lunatic….. which she is, I’m a racist?

    Why? a black woman can’t be stupid and crazy? Does being black give her immunity? Only a racist like yourself Kurt would even notice the persons color.

  34. Patrick

    Let’s be politically racially and gender balanced by saying Stacey Abrams is as nutty as Donald Trump. Fair enough ? 😉

  35. why is she a lunatic, she’s got people energized to vote., legally
    is responsible for a massive legitimate grass roots movement, that any party anywhere in the world would be proud of . You simply have no answer to her success have you ?

  36. Say what you please about her, fine by me. But she’s neither stupid nor is she crazy.

    She is a formidable opponent, focused like a laser, when the Republicans are all over the place in Georgia at this point.

  37. No you’re wrong. They stuffed the mail in ballots, they rigged the algorithm on the machines, and they violated the Constitution in 5 States including my own.

    This is all fact.

    Unlike you I’ve done this process personally, I was a Judge of Elections for the State of Pa, I was Vote certifier, I was a vote counter, I was a block captain and a committeeman. All within Philadelphia and the greater region. Rigging the vote is very easy, it’s done all the time, just never on this scale.

    So when you say there was no fraud I can say you’re wrong with confidence, because unlike you I know the system from the inside.

  38. Pat amurica would be so fortunate to have a Biden presidency as successful as Obama’s was

    Of course they are starting from the same place, namely a cess pit dug by republicans

  39. She’s totally nutz Phantom….. you could make the argument that she’s not really stupid, just corrupt.

  40. Wait till they shut your oil exports through the US off EP then tell me how wonderful they are.

  41. 9/11 and the financial crisis happened under GW Bush

    The inept US response to Covid 19 and the financial and unemployment issues that resulted from that poor response happened under Trump

    So who’s at fault? Anyone except Bush and Trump! According to some of us here.

    Always someone else’s fault, never take responsibility for anything.

    The buck stops anywhere else.

    Biden won’t mess with Canadian oil exports. He knows who America’s friends are.

  42. Little Dick Durbin an Schmuck Schumer have already released a plan to overturn all trumps deregulation. That means an end to all pipeline work in the US.

  43. The USA doesn’t need Federal Courts or even a Supreme Court. All it needs is the one true legal arbiter, the Court of PVR. FACT !

  44. Uh and you do know that the heavy oil we mine is needed by the refineries in the US and if they can’t get it from us then they will get it from Venezuela

    You know those godless heathen communists

  45. 9/11 was Bush’s fault….. and the economic collapse caused by Frank & Dodd that Obama couldn’t fix that’s all Bush’s fault…… LMAO

  46. Paul.

    The mistake you and others are making is asking for evidence mate. Just accept the baseless, untrue claim without it because none will be provided.

  47. No you’re wrong. They stuffed the mail in ballots, they rigged the algorithm on the machines, and they violated the Constitution in 5 States including my own.

    This is all fact

    It’s not all fact, it’s balls.

    I’ve worked in polling stations before on many elections, so what? Unless you worked on this election and have first hand verifiable evidence of corruption on a scale enough to effect the election your previous experience is irrelevant.

    So when you say there was no fraud

    Except no one is claiming that. There is a quantity of fraud in every election, from all sides. The Cultists are trying to exaggerate this to claim the election was rigged.

    Your guy lost fair & square.

  48. Of course the poll workers, the election officials, the secretaries of state, the governors, the judges knew none of this.

    Or they were paid off by Iran, Hugo Chavez, and George Soros.

  49. They’re the same millions who don’t believe in masks, who think that Covid 19 is nothing, who think that we never landed on the moon.

    Very many of these people have belief systems very close to those of Allan and Alex Jones – they worship the droppings of the dictator, will parrot anything that he and compliant media ( Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Gateway Pundit ) tells them.

  50. Until the courts verify that fraud occurred, then it didn’t. That’s the rule of law. All is else is the rule of speculation rumour and lies.

  51. Millions of others see what they see

    Because allegedly millions of others choose to believe lies it still doesn’t make them correct. Quantitfying a minority belief doesn’t equate to reality.

  52. there was a time when some folks here stood by the Rule of LAW
    they kept using capitals, now the courts have spoken, that is the LAW
    does that mean they’ve been talking bollocks for years
    as the courts didn’t deliver the result they wanted ?

  53. As has been demonstrably proven many times, the number of people who believe something doesn’t make it any more true. What makes it true is reliable EVIDENCE. Evidence, which isn’t being provided, despite being repeatedly asked for.

  54. And as said a number of times

    Mr. Giuliani and the other attorneys were quite careful never to make the charges of electoral fraud in a courtroom.

    The AM Radio and Cable Opinion screamers made the charge of fraud to their gullible audience day and night, but not once did Trump’s people allege it before a judge in a court of law. They were in courtrooms in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and elsewhere, had every chance to say it, but they never did so.

    Wonder why?

  55. Good point, Phantom.

    //Until the courts verify that fraud occurred, then it didn’t. That’s the rule of law. All is else is the rule of speculation rumour and lies.//

    No, that principle applies only when someone accuses Trump of breaking the law.

  56. Fun fact
    Today The Trump Hotel in Washington DC has conceded the election. They’ve unblocked all the rooms they had reserved for Inauguration Week, and have made them available to anyone, at a 25% discount.
    They’ve given up on a trump inauguration . Pat gonna be so disappointed. Never mind 2024 eh
    Can you stand for potus if you’re in jail though .?

  57. They don’t tell their supporters the truth, which is why their supporters here don’t know anything.

    Follow the money.

  58. Vice President Pence is about to be in an awkward position: Next week he’ll be presiding over the final confirmation that Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election.

    Pence is supposed to serve as the presiding officer when Congress meets Jan. 6 to confirm the electoral college’s results. That’s got some allies of President Trump hoping they can find a way around the law to get Pence to actually award the election to him.

    Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) has filed a lawsuit in federal court trying to throw out an 1880s election law that governs Pence’s role in the process. He is not shy about why: He wants Pence to have total control over counting the votes from states and then award the election to Trump.

    This is the strategy of the Trump camp. They actually think that this is a smart thing to do.

  59. Yeah they only vote for trump because he gives a hard time to those they hate
    Malice and jealousy it’s as base as that . 22 days and it’s over ..
    they’ll pick on each other then . Be ugly to watch , but they deserve what’s coming

  60. No, that principle applies only when someone accuses Trump of breaking the law.

    True Noel. Those who live by the oft repeated mantra that ‘Donald is innocent’ due to the Mueller investigation resulted in no charges against him should also apply the same standards to the complete lack of any electoral fraud charges being substantiated against the Biden camp.

  61. New: Georgia Sec of State Brad Raffensperger says audit of voter signatures of absentee ballot envelopes in Cobb County, Georgia found “no fraudulent absentee ballots,” and Elections Dept had a “99.9% accuracy rate in performing correct signature verification procedures.”

    Will this finally stop the lying .?

  62. but whine all they want no one is conceding.

    Patrick, no-one on Biden’s team is whining, it’s your man who’s doing all of it:

    Whine: at least ten million votes stolen
    Whine: crooked election officials
    Whine: RINO traitors in Georgia
    Whine: SCOTUS traitors fail to do their duty by giving me another term
    Whine: RINO traitors acknowledge Biden after Electoral College confirmation
    Whine: Traitor Murdoch Fox News calls Arizona correctly on election night
    Whine: Traitor Murdoch NYP tells me to quit whining and accept defeat

  63. Like Nietzsche’s Socrates, Trump was “the buffoon who got himself taken seriously”. Unlike a Socratic buffoon, however, Trump never overcame himself. Bereft of the wider critique that once confounded political elites, his personality cult is no longer compelling even as a vessel for ressentiment. Its chief acolytes today are the legacy media operations whose fortunes his nonstop controversies helped revive, opportunistic scribblers hoping to cash in on one more #Maga or #Resistance potboiler, and those who prefer that the media focus on anything except the substantive issues raised in 2016. They will happily ride the Trump gravy train as far as it goes, but it’s already running out of steam.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/29/donald-trump-influence-presidency-office

  64. The LMAO non answer seems to be becoming the standard Pat response to the election was stolen rebuttals.

    No attempt to try to disprove the demolition of Trump’s baseless balls, when LMAO is all you’ve got it’s a pretty weak position.

  65. Former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is going all in on the QAnon conspiracy theory, promoting an online store to sell QAnon hats and T-shirts, the proceeds of which will benefit his partnership with a prominent QAnon booster.

    Flynn’s drawn-out legal battle with Special Counsel Robert Mueller turned him into a hero for QAnon believers. Many QAnon supporters, who rely on mysterious online clues to construct a worldview where the Democratic Party and other institutions are controlled by a cabal of pedophile-cannibals, claim that Flynn is “Q”, the anonymous figure behind the conspiracy theory. They also took a previously obscure Flynn quote about the American military’s “digital soldiers” as their banner, adopting the phrase to refer to QAnon believers themselves.

    Daily Beast

    Flynn is QAnon

    Is Trump?

    Anyone at ATW part of this, but not ready to come clean quite yet?

  66. I like you, I like Seamus, and Seimi (who I guess is gone), I even tolerate Dave.

    No, I’m not gone. I will just comment a lot less than before and I will not write any more posts, not as long as you remain the only avenue to getting them posted.

    All these decisions I have made of my own free will, and all are based on your underhanded dishonesty and subsequent lies in a poor attempt to cover yourself. Never again will you be able to write here that you are an honest man. You are neither.

    On Topic: Anyone who still seriously believes that Trump was cheated out of this election must be seriously mentally unhinged. Anyone else, who keeps peddling Trump’s bullshit about electoral fraud, when they know how untrue it is, is willingly telling untruths and lies on behalf of Trump, and should be called out on it at every opportunity.

    Also, anyone who says they will respect the office, if and when Biden is inaugurated, but continues to cry and whine about fraud until that time, has zero respect for that office or their own laws.

    I feel sorry for people like our own Charles, who voted for the policies of Trump, rather than who he was, or even worse – who he wasn’t. Charles, and many more like him, have seen their party and its policies, lose in an election of personalities. And yes, I do realise that the party itself did well in the election, but this post – and far too many others – has to do with the Presidential election. But, rather than have their disappointments aired here properly, Charles, and millions like him, are being represented on these pages and further afield, by ‘Electoral Truthers’, whose ‘facts’ are no more rooted in reality than Obama’s birth certificate myth or the Easter Bunny.

  67. I think, but I stand to be corrected, this is one of those topics where it is difficult to have a proper debate because there really isn’t another side with any merit to its case. The election was held and Biden won. There is no real argument against that. Patrick however feels for the sake of dissent he has to air the ‘stolen’ view although he knows there is no substance to it. It’s a sort of “ Oh well it’s an absolute crap role but somebody has to do it” half hearted exercise Patrick is engaged in, hence his LMAO one line responses.

  68. Presenting a claim which you know to be untrue is a pretty dishonest position, Colm. I’m of the mind that all but the most deluded cultists know that these claims arebasrless balls. Rudy certainly knows it but is smart enough not to state it under legal oath and get some patsy to drawl ‘I signed something’ at a Congressional hearing.

    But yes, you are essentially correct, the accusations are devoid of substance and outside hyperbolic rhetoric and ridiculous fire housing can’t be supported.

  69. Dominion Systems are actively sueing and threatening to sue all parties that have trashed their secure systems, such that NewsMax released a statement recently saying , ” yeah we don’t endorse anything to do with those fraud allegations” – pretty quick fire, cover my ass stuff
    Hannity and Carlson are going to be sued personally unless they can get Murdoch to cover their backsides .. Interesting huh , there are real world consequences to telling lies .

    In other news :

    You know what’s funny, when a building is vandalized during a BLM protest, Republicans would be on every news channel screaming over one another, but some random white guy blows up an entire city block and you can’t hear a pin drop.

    Odd that , what ya make of it colm / paul ?

  70. // “ Oh well it’s an absolute crap role but somebody has to do it” //

    But David and Pete and several million (we are told 70) other loons are also doing it.

    It isn’t that. In a way they genuinely believe it because they are told to believe it, and in another way – tho the two aren’t contradictory – they claim it because one claims things and puts forward situations that seem to support a certain programme, does one not?
    Whether the proposition matches the real situation – i.e. the truth – is totally irrelevant for these guys. They have long since abandoned any need to consult the truth.

  71. Paul

    There is no fight here, (certainly not with me), and yes I have noticed that your comments have got fewer, as have my own and most other what’s left of the regulars here. ATW is dying on its feet, which is unfortunate.

    Yes, I’m disappointed to say I agree with you. We’ve lost so many great commentators over the last few years, that ATW is now a shadow of its former self. There are only a handful of people left you can actually have a proper reasoned and logical debate with. It’s sad.

    Seimi

    Anyone who still seriously believes that Trump was cheated out of this election must be seriously mentally unhinged. Anyone else, who keeps peddling Trump’s bullshit about electoral fraud, when they know how untrue it is, is willingly telling untruths and lies on behalf of Trump, and should be called out on it at every opportunity.

    Hope you had a good Christmas mate.
    Again, I totally agree. If I’d found any reasonable evidence that Trump had been deliberately cheated out of the election, I would be genuinely horrified and publicising it as much as I could.
    But despite repeated attempts, I’ve found zero evidence for this claim. And those making the claim seem to be unable to provide any evidence either. At this stage Trump and his cohorts just look like a dishonest bunch of sore looser cry babies. What a disgusting way to end your final days in office. The man has no honestly or dignity.

  72. Hannity and Carlson would almost certainly be insured under the corporate libel/slander policy. Take that to the bank.

    This won’t be the first time that a Murdoch operation will be guilty of extremely severe media misconduct. ( See ” News of the World ” scandal in UK )

    There are many lost souls who look for a charismatic leader to follow, down any road that he chooses to send them.

    Reverend Moon, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Donald Trump. More similar than you think.

    And, Patrick/Pete the cult member doesn’t know that he’s in a cult. So don’t even bother.

  73. No, I’m not gone. I will just comment a lot less than before and I will not write any more posts, not as long as you remain the only avenue to getting them posted.

    All these decisions I have made of my own free will, and all are based on your underhanded dishonesty and subsequent lies in a poor attempt to cover yourself. Never again will you be able to write here that you are an honest man. You are neither.

    In the spirit of Peace, Love, and Unity…..

    Go F yourself you terror supporting twit……

    Is that honest enough for you….

  74. The Fraud is real, the fraud is evident, the fraud is undeniable…. you people have proven over and over again PT Barnum’s adage on a regular basis for 20 yrs.

    It doesn’t matter, our leaders and people in power lack the political will to even face the problem, let alone deal with it.

    Biden will be President, as Nixon said all that matters is who takes the Oath, it doesn’t matter how they got there. You will never hear me say that Biden is not Legitimate, but unlike you when someone pisses down my back I don’t buy it’s raining.

  75. The Fraud is real, the fraud is evident, the fraud is undeniable

    except you can’t stand that up can you , 50 courts cases lost , you got nothing except lame LMAOO’s

    Noel is right, Truth don’t matter to you guys
    kind of a site-killer that attitude and reality , what’s the point of ATW ?

  76. The Fraud is real, the fraud is evident, the fraud is undeniable

    None of those claims are true. They are nothing more than exaggerated, unsubstantiated, firehosing balls.

    Biden will be President

    Of course he will, both the EC voted for him and he won the popular vote.

    You will never hear me say that Biden is not Legitimate

    I very seriously, highly doubt that. You may not say it in those words but you have already baselessly stated a few times that the election was stolen, which of course means that Biden’s election victory was illegitimate.

  77. the wider point needs exploring too

    the rules of ATW , the point of the site

    1) a member puts something up either in a post thread or comment

    2) the other members agree or disagree, and expand on it , take it to another place( or talk about Trunk )

    3) claims are challenged

    4) evidence is quoted from sources , and challenged

    that’s the rough idea

    so if you say something like this :

    The Fraud is real, the fraud is evident, the fraud is undeniable

    the expectation is the person has enough personal integrity to stand it up
    ( esp when that person makes a continual issue of their personal integrity )

    sounds to me like you wanna post lies PVR , but don’t wanna be called a liar !

    that position is so weak ,and totally lacking in honesty and integrity

  78. That position is so weak ,and totally lacking in honesty and integrity

    Kurt, the old Latin legal maxim:

    Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur

    What is presented without evidence is dismissed without evidence. They’re talking balls.

  79. Paul the Election was stolen, but he got away with it. That concerns me more than Biden being President.

    You never heard me say Obama wasn’t legitimate, or sign onto any birther bull. I’ve never been one of these “He’s NOT my President” people. No that is more the domain of the left.

    The Biden/Harris Presidency will be it’s own disaster. There is no need to fabricate anything.

    The election system in the US is not secure from people in the US. It never has been, this election just made it obvious to everyone not just those who know how it works. I know every inch of the system in Pa and can tell you exactly how they’ve been riggin elections in Philly and the State capital my whole life. I couldn’t tell you how they do it in NY, Oh, NJ, Ca, etc etc because each state is different. The system has to be Federalized, the Constitution allows it and it must be forced down the throats of the Politicians because it’s their scam, and it must end.

    Presidents come and go, the systems are eternal and they are broke.

  80. Troll has shown he has no interest in debating these issues. Not that he actually has the ability to debate these issues. He is the least informed person on these pages. All his views are from far-right, increasingly white supremacist and anti-semitic blogs, and if you bat away what they say he has absolutely no come back – so he normally either engages in silly games (like “wrong”, “lmao”, or “you are important to convince why”). If he has an answer (or if he has been given an answer by his white supremacist blogs) he’d give an answer. When he doesn’t give an answer and instead plays those sorts of games it is 100% evidence that Troll has no facts, no knowledge and nothing to bring to the table.

    His response to Seimi above is also clear that he is a lying sack of shit. He says that people can’t “slander”. Yet there he goes and defames Seimi in his post. At this point he isn’t Patrick. He isn’t even The Troll. He’s just a sad, pathetic troll.

  81. Paul the Election was stolen

    No it wasn’t. As I said in a previous post, I have worked in polling stations as a party delegated representative on many elections, so what?

    Unless you were working on this election and have specific, tangible proof of voter fraud in quantities that could sway the election your previous experience is absolutely irrelevant.

    The Trump camp is lying and you are propagating the lie, which I don’t think you believe yourself, which is based on empty invention and exaggeration.

    You have already stated that the election was stolen. That means Biden’s election as POTUS was illegitimate.

  82. Paul

    What is presented without evidence is dismissed without evidence. They’re talking balls.

    Exactly. Repeatedly claiming that something is true, (but never providing evidence), does not somehow make it true. Neither does repeatedly claiming that people are stupid or ignorant for not believing what you believe. that just makes you look like a petulant child, who can’t handle an adult conversation.

  83. Paul as I said Pa is not Oh, or NY and certainly isn’t some bumfuck town in spain or ireland. You have zero clue as to what you are talking about.

    Now you believe what you want, I know what I know, knowledge on some topics is regional and in this case there are 57 voting regions each with their own set of rules, regulations and HOLES.

    This is not the first Presidential election that was stolen, Kennedy stole the election from Nixon. Elections on the state and county level are stolen and controlled every election and it’s time to end it.

    It is also a task that may be near impossible because it steels the power from the party bosses.

  84. If you had any evidence you’d present it. You clearly don’t. This is yet more dishonesty from you Troll.

  85. You have zero clue as to what you are talking about.

    I have more than a clue what I’m talking about, this is what I’m talking about:

    Unless you were working on this election and have specific, tangible proof of voter fraud in quantities that could sway the election your previous experience is absolutely irrelevant.

    Unless you have verifiable proof of voter fraud in quantities that could sway the election your previous experience means fuck all and is as relevant to the situation as my own.

  86. Elections on the state and county level are stolen and controlled every election

    But only by the Dems, right?

  87. It’s never been proved that JFK and Mayor Daley stole Illinois.

    And Pat Buchanan said that the Republicans themselves stole a state ( Kentucky? )

  88. the only elkection fraud I hear about is the gerry-mandering of suburbs, the denial of voting ( voter suppression ) – lets be clear all these “contected votes have been hand counted over and over and over again. The last one being in Georgia last night
    turns out a wife had forged her husband signature , so 2 votes were dubious

    Pat you have to stop lying , as you’re right , being the site manager as it were
    Its looks really bad when you come on here and lie your ass off
    Just stop it, take responsibility, rather than go off in a tizz because we are talking the truth to you, which you can’t handle .. Its a simple choice and you should make the right choice or take your sorry ass off this site and you are polluting it !!

    i’m sure colm will be on in a sec to park his nose in your ass-crack
    but I’d urge you colm to finally take a stand man

  89. Unless you have verifiable proof of voter fraud in quantities that could sway the election your previous experience means fuck all and is as relevant to the situation as my own.

    There’s a ton of evidence, the fact that there is no political will by those that represent us to deal with it doesn’t remove it.

    The system is rigged it’s nothing new, the only difference is this time it was blatant enough that something might actually be able to get accomplished to fix it.

  90. There’s a ton of evidence, but only bloggers know about it which is why Giuliani never mentioned it in court

  91. All his views are from far-right, increasingly white supremacist and anti-semitic blogs, and if you bat away what they say he has absolutely no come back

    Here’s my come back…… FU you other terror supporting twit.

    I’m not in the mood for this gentleman I’m telling you right now.

  92. Phantom, on December 30th, 2020 at 5:42 PM Said: Edit Comment
    There’s a ton of evidence, but only bloggers know about it which is why Giuliani never mentioned it in court

    If you bothered to read something other than the rags you read you’d know that in each and every case the courts refused to hear evidence. No witnesses or evidence was allowed by the Presidents teams to be Presented before the court, but facts have long not been your strong suit.

  93. As Far as I know the only person charged with voter fraud in Pennsylvania in 2020 is a republican who registered his dead mother to vote for turnip

    So now we know how republicans know how and where voter fraud occurred, they did it

  94. There’s a ton of evidence, the fact that there is no political will by those that represent us to deal with it doesn’t remove it.

    Well, that and that it’s been laughed out of court, PVR from Aberdeen.

    The system is rigged it’s nothing new

    So it was rigged in 2016?

  95. “I’m not in the mood for this gentleman I’m telling you right now.”

    Well then go fuck yourself.

    You started this nonsense. You libeled Seimi in the post above. You just libeled me in the post there. So clearly the no “slander” rule no longer exists (not that pointing out that your views come from white supremacists and anti-semites would be libelous).

  96. There’s a ton of evidence

    Patrick, if that’s correct why were all the court cases lost?

    Was it just not presented or were the judges biased?

  97. I stand by what I said in my earlier comment. Patrick knows more people voted for Biden than Trump and he knows Biden won the electoral college . There may well have been and probably was some small degrees of fraudulent electoral behaviour engaged in by individuals and groups on both sides but this election was as legitimate as any other and just as Trump won in 2016 Biden has won this time and is as entitled to be President as the 2016 winner was.

  98. There’s a ton of evidence

    50 courts cases were defeated, does that mean anything to you mr LAW man ?
    fed up with being expected to follow along with dumbed down bullshit, anyone else ?

  99. Patrick, if that’s correct why were all the court cases lost?

    Was it just not presented or were the judges biased?

    Peter question for you. How many cases has the Presidents team brought to the court?

  100. Peter question for you. How many cases has the Presidents team brought to the court?

    Why not just answer Peter’s question?

    Colm no more votes were recorded for Biden than Trump, but they weren’t real.

    From the ridiculous to the (groundless) bizzarre.

  101. If he had any evidence he would present it. He doesn’t have any. All he has are yet more lies.

  102. Patrick

    You can say whatever you like. If you claim it is true it must be. Just as I can say that Trump faked 20 million of the votes he got and used his power as President to do so. Does it matter that I have no shred of proof. Of course not. If I say this true it must be. That is the level you are arguing for. Your claims that Biden won through fraud are just silly nonsense and what’s more you know it Patrick.

  103. There is the rub Colm there is a ton of evidence to back up what I say and it will all be shown over the next couple of years.

    The deed is done, I just want to see it prevented from happening again.

  104. If there was a ton of evidence to back it up then it could be shown now. It wouldn’t need to be shown over the next couple of years. It would be shown now. But there is no evidence. It is all a lie.

  105. There is a ton of evidence to back up what I say and it will all be shown over the next couple of years.

    There’s not & it won’t.

  106. everything come up with has been debunked , destroyed by the courts
    people who believe in the rule of law would honor the courts rulings
    its the bedrock of a democracy not just in USA , but free countries the world over
    sad to have to keep explaining this to the hard of hearing
    just can’t teach stoopid , I keep coming back to that ..

  107. Last time the Dems were united they seized control of 1/6th of the economy and cost millions their healthcare.

  108. I was surprised at the JMC poll. Most polls have had it relatively tight, and JMC polls have tended to oversample Republicans in the past. I’d still say it is just one poll so it will be interesting to see if it is followed by others of a similar nature.

    That being said the polling in Georgia for the run-offs has been awful. Very few high quality polls have been conducted – most polling companies seem relatively content to sit this one out. If they get it right no one cares – if they get it wrong everyone bitches at them.

  109. No they made healthcare available to millions which is why ACA is more popular than ever and why your masters will not be able to destroy it

    Even Mitch McConnell is well aware of this

  110. Phantom

    There’s a ton of evidence, but only bloggers know about it which is why Giuliani never mentioned it in court

    There’s a ton of evidence, but he still can’t provide a single piece, other than his gut feelings and so-called superior ‘knowledge’. Which is anything but.

  111. Millions of Americans who had good healthcare were forced into plans that made it impossible to go to the Doctors due to the deductible, and until you drop your company healthcare and go on Obamacare you don’t know what you’re talking about, but don’t worry if they live up to their party platform you’re about to lose that corporate insurance and then we’ll hear how you like the new system you’ll be forced into just as millions of other Americans were forced.

  112. Yes he has secret knowledge on all subjects it would appear

    Allan has made similar claims to having knowledge that no one else has!

  113. Seamus,

    If he had any evidence he would present it. He doesn’t have any. All he has are yet more lies.

    Exactly.

  114. Allan has made similar claims to having knowledge that no one else has!

    The old Allan is dead. Long live the new Allan. 😁

  115. It’s all just firehosing to keep the issue prominent. There is absolutely no substance to it whatsoever.

  116. A majority of Americans have a favorable opinion of Obamacare, from very recent polls, and as shown in a number of national polls that came before it.

    79% of Americans want to continue to have it illegal to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. That national protection for those many with pre-existing conditions only came to be with the ACA. Before ACA, all health insurers discriminated against those with conditions, unless the state stopped the practice. They had entire underwriting departments whose job it was to do that.

    If the Republicans had repealed Obamacare, Trump would have lost by an even larger margin. The issue scared the death out of Mitch McConnell, who knew how popular the bill had become in Kentucky, where many were able to get dignified health care for the first time ever.

    It’s not that Patrick doesn’t know enough. We all don’t know enough. It’s that he doesn’t know -anything- about the USA or about many issues facing it – health care, guns, opioids, etc, and he’s in no hurry to learn either.

  117. Phantom you’re one of the top ten percent in the country, god bless you. You worked hard and you earned it.

    Obamacare destroyed the healthcare system for the American family that earns between 30-60 thousand a year which is the majority. The lowest deductible was 7000 dollars. That’s how much a family has to pay out of pocket before Obamacare will pay.

    The avg American in that income has less than that in the bank and a 300 dollar visit to the drs office is not in the monthly budget which is why emergency roomvisits have increased and not decreased as promised.

  118. You are not correct, but you’ve never read what was shown to you before, so why bother now.

    The lowest deductible permitted by ACA isn’t $7000, not even close.

  119. Opinion polls like voter polls are like assholes everyone has them and they all stink, but the facts are the facts more people lost their corporate and individual healthcare than Obamacare helped.

    You don’t believe because it’s alien to you. No offense, but you don’t have a family and a limited income where a visit to the doctors office takes away your food or fuel money for the month which is what the result of obamacare is.

  120. The lowest deductible permitted by ACA isn’t $7000, not even close.

    it is in that income range, if you were on welfare or below 30 it was not, but the majority are above that and not at a level high enough that it hasn’t destroyed them if a kid got sick.

  121. The American public disagrees with you.

    Which is why the ACA still exists.

    It and its protections need to be improved, not completely demolished like your masters wanted to do.

  122. no the ACA still exist because the Traitor John McCains last act of life was to give the middle finger to the American People after running for 7 years on repealing it.

    He acted his true self waiting to be the final vote just so he could say fu to Trump as his last act before he died betraying every promise he made and every American…. your hero

  123. And you note that Arizona, where they remain fiercely proud of McCain, voted down your boy.

    The stupid idiot Trump villified McCain, even in death, and he got his payback from the Arizona voter

  124. Phantom.
    I see you know actual facts about John McCain, rather than just making s**t up about him. That’s refreshing.

  125. Trump won Arizona….. Trump won all 50 States

    and John McCain betrayed the American people with his last public act

  126. I read his book, and know a few folks in Arizona.

    McCain was no perfect man, but he served his country well, with considerable courage.

    Including ( this if for you, not for the closed-minds )

    As you know, he was a POW for years, and was terribly mistreated by the North Vietnamese guards.

    When Bill Clinton wished to restore diplomatic relations with Vietnam in 1995, it was a sensitive matter. The memory of a bitter war was still with us.

    McCain had a moral stature that would have allowed him to stop the initiative right there.

    Instead, McCain said that it was time to move forward. He strongly endorsed restored ties to Vietnam.

    And in the years since, the US and Vietnam have become economic, diplomatic and even military allies ( a check on Chinese adventurism ) to a degree that no one may have predicted 25 years ago.

    McCain gets major credit for that- President Clinton would be the first to agree.

  127. In the spirit of Peace, Love, and Unity…..

    Go F yourself you terror supporting twit……

    Is that honest enough for you….

    considering it’s untrue, and therefore dishonest, then yeah, it’s about the level I would expect.

    Trump won Arizona….. Trump won all 50 States

    Oh no – is this the point where Troll plays his, ‘I was only kidding about the stolen election stuff, but you maroons are just to (sic) stupid to realise’ card?

  128. McCain was a failure as a Combat Pilot, his negligence on ship killed people, he was a true Hero as a Prisoner, as a Politician he was an Enemy of the American Public with a career long vendetta against the 1st Amendment, as a person he was a scumbag that profited off his office and should have never been reelected after the first time he was caught in the Keating 5, his last years in congress he funneled funds and arms to al-queda in Syria and his last act was to betray the American public by running on repealing the ACA and as a final act making sure his vote stuck the american public with it out of spite against Trump

    a real POS.

  129. his negligence on ship killed people,

    Still waiting for that evidence.

    John McCain is a lovely guy, because he actually donated hundreds of millions to charity.

  130. “his last act was to betray the American public by running on repealing the ACA and as a final act making sure his vote stuck the american public with it out of spite against Trump”

    Actually he ran on repeal and replace. What was on offer was just repeal. So he rejected it, which is consistant with what he ran on.

  131. The replace could not be solidified until the ACA was repealed there were 4 republican plans and 3 democrat ones that were already written. They couldn’t by congressional rule be put forth until the ACA was gone. The whole there was no replacement was spin. There were both Democrat and Republican replacements already drawn up. There still are.

  132. Do you have links to those Democratic or Republican replacements?

    And what congressional rule prevents a repeal and replace bill?

  133. Baloney.

    Seven plans means no plan. Even your own cruel excuse for a party in your own words had four different convoluted mishmoshes which would add up to nothing

    You said a million times that the government had no place in health care

    Your response would be the same as Pete’s – fling those who can’t pay into the gutter. By replacing the imperfect plan with no plan.

  134. It doesn’t have a place in healthcare, and 7 plans is the mishmash that every Bill starts out as and you know it. Then they whittle them down to two one from the house one from the senate, then they go to reconciliation and those two become one…… that’s how it has always worked Phantom and you know it.

  135. The only responsible way would be to negotiate the replacement plan first – not to wing it.

    Nothing else is worthy of consideration.

    Like I said here ten years ago – the man with a plan beats the man with no plan every time. You guys still don’t have one. Planning requires a lot of detail work. It’s not easy. You guys were never willing to do any of the work. There were no thought leaders on any of this on the GOP side.

  136. put the cart before the horse……

    that would be nice, but the rule for Healthcare Bills is you have to pass them before you can know what’s in them….. Ask Nancy

  137. but but there was no fraud…….

    Members of Georgia’s Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Elections and members of the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing to study Georgia’s Election Laws, and the numerous voting irregularities in the 2020 presidential election.

    The hearing comes after a Senate subcommittee held a hearing last week at the capitol to discuss perceived voting irregularities in November’s presidential election. On Tuesday Jovan Pulitzer revealed the differences between votes printed for Democrat precincts versus Republican precincts.
    The Republican precincts had a barcode up in the right-hand corner. The votes from two different areas are printed differently.
    This caused GOP votes to get kicked out by the Dominion machines.

    All Ballots are supposed to be the same. There is never supposed to be multiple types of Ballots in a Presidential Election.

  138. The Republican precincts had a barcode up in the right-hand corner. The votes from two different areas are printed differently.
    This caused GOP votes to get kicked out by the Dominion machine

    Who said that? Can you link to the blocked quote above, please?

  139. But of course you have no idea of who wrote this, or who verified any of it.

    Which is why there is no link.

    Slick.

  140. Phantom,

    If you ever see this book, it’s worth your while

    I’ve just downloaded the audiobook on your recommendation mate.
    I’ll be back on the carpentry next week, so I listen to it while I’m working.

  141. I can post several, but my links go to sources you don’t trust. They weren’t funded by Hillary and provided by English spies…….

    “I don’t care about the machine. I don’t even care about the code that was written in the machine. What I care about is that physical artifact [ballot] and that physical artifact has material differences district to district that should not be there.”

    you can go look at the pictures of the ballots, but will you….

    Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee Unanimously Passes Motion to Audit Fulton County’s Absentee Ballots Using Method Outlined by Jovan Pulitzer

    Georgia Senate Subcommittee Passes Motion Allowing Stanford Researcher To Audit Every Absentee Ballot In Fulton County

    https://clarion.causeaction.com/2020/12/30/georgia-senate-judiciary-subcommittee-unanimously-passes-motion-to-audit-fulton-countys-absentee-ballots-using-method-outlined-by-jovan-pulitzer/

  142. I can post several, but my links go to sources you don’t trust.

    And yet you go ahead and do it anyway?

    I’ll ask again,

    Who said that? Can you link to the blocked quote above, please?

  143. gateway pundit didn’t hold the hearing…… the State did……

    If the NYT had any integrity they’d cover it…… it’s a story.

    Look at the Pictures, read the story. Just because WaPo and the Times refuse to cover it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. That’s a big part of the problem so much of what has takeb place isn’t reported in the main papers.

    When I say I read everything it’s not to brag it’s to get multiple sources of information. I read the NYTs, WaPo, Politico, but I also read Gateway, the Federalist, NRO etc you really do have to read both sides.

  144. That quote is from the Gateway story that I gave you the link to….. from that link already provided…….

    It’s from Jovan Pulitzer Pulitzer explained how he could quickly audit their results using his technique of identifying fraudulent paper ballots and said he will do it for free.

    Mr. Pulitzer said he has “no regard for the smoke and mirrors of how the machines work.” – IT’S ALL ABOUT THE PAPER BALLOTS.

    “I don’t care about the machine. I don’t even care about the code that was written in the machine. What I care about is that physical artifact [ballot] and that physical artifact has material differences district to district that should not be there.”

    Pulitzer said it would take him two hours to look at 500,000 ballots.

    The Georgia State Senate Judiciary Subcomittee unanimously passed a motion to audit Fulton County’s absentee ballots with the process Pulitzer outlined during today’s hearing.

    those are the FACTS of the HEARING not the “Opinion” of Jim Hoft or any of his writers at Gateway…. here again is the Link please read it it will literally take you 30 seconds.

    Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee Unanimously Passes Motion to Audit Fulton County’s Absentee Ballots Using Method Outlined by Jovan Pulitzer

  145. Every time they count the ballots they find no fraud . Just a handful of errors
    Everyone knows this except stupid here
    We’re just not as dumb as you pvr
    That’s the morality tale here
    Rest my case mluds

  146. Who is Jovan Pulitzer and what field or qualification of expertise does he have to allege such a claim?

  147. if you read the link you’d know.

    Paul do your own work. You don’t know who this guy is, INFORMATION PROVIDED… You deleted the thread….RIGHT HERE… You didn’t give us the source IT’S THERE TWICE….

    Pay attention and stop allowing the others to get you worked up.

  148. If you read the link you’d know

    I did and it said he was an ‘inventor’

    So, again, who is Jovan Pulitzer and what field or qualification of expertise does he have to allege such a claim?

  149. paul
    here he is with liar , crook and conman nutjob gulliani — that’s what we’re dealing with .
    Not a pulitzer prize in there though amongst them 😉

  150. He’s expert enough that the he got a unanimous vote to do the audit…. So whether you think he’s qualified or not the Judicial Committee of that State both Democrat and Republican all voted that they have confidence in his credentials.

  151. He’s expert enough that the he got a unanimous vote to do the audit

    That wasn’t the question.

    The Judicial Committee of that State both Democrat and Republican all voted that they have confidence in his credentials

    Yes, there are 3 Dems in the 10 member Senate Judiciary Committee. So again, who is Jovan Pulitzer and what field or qualification of expertise does he have to allege such a claim?

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