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Memories

By Patrick Van Roy On January 13th, 2021

How much do you want to bet you will see none of this when Biden takes the Oath.

15 Responses to “Memories”

  1. What a contrast with the police at the Capitol last Wednesday. It seems that not all rioters get the same treatment when they riot. Maybe their cause affects it someway?

  2. The correct response is the dispassionate application of the law. Not political persecution, but nor politically motivated leniency, either. We don’t have to choose between unity and justice. Avoiding doing the right thing will only prolong the crisis and give aid and comfort to enemies of the state and of the peace. Our Founding Fathers failed to resolve the historical challenge of slavery, passing a bloody Civil War on to future generations. Despite Abraham Lincoln’s assassination, Reconstruction allowed the South a “defeat with honor,” decades of Jim Crow, and the pernicious Lost Cause mythology that persists today.

  3. The police one week ago were out vastly numbered by the Trump rioters.

    The major question is why this was allowed to be the case, not so much the actions of the cops themselves

  4. // not so much the actions of the cops themselves//

    Yes, they were vastly outnumbered, and in that case probably normal procedure is to deescalate and avoid direct physical confrontation as much as possible. Most did that very well.
    But it also has to be said that many cops probably had too much sympathy for the rioters, and maybe used a “deescalation” tactic to camouflage their support for them.

    This is always the problem in similar cases – remember the RUC in their contrasting treatment of Loyalist and Republican demonstrations in NI.
    It gives rise to endless controversy, and in the end police depts simply introduce and try to enforce a strict code of conduct. You can’t change mindsets over night, but when the rules are strictly enforced over time something like fair and equal treatment emerges.

  5. An impeachment is looking more and more likely, with some Republicans now apparently saying they will vote for it.

  6. Some Capitol police effectively collaborated with the rioters but most tried their best to do their duty:

    “Race doesn’t explain everything about the riot, though. First, the underreaction by authorities has an ideological valence: Police might have simply seen the mob sympathetically because some were politically aligned with its agenda. Many rioters chanted pro-police slogans and brandished Blue Lives Matter paraphernalia, even as they overran police barriers. Some on-duty officers reportedly welcomed rioters in and took selfies with them, while some off-duty officers were part of the mob itself.

    Second, the brazenness of the members of the mob remains distinctive. White protesters who joined BLM demonstrations over the summer may have been outraged by police crackdowns, but they were hardly surprised. Yet even in the act of storming the Capitol, the insurrectionists did not fear any adverse consequences. The now-infamous Elizabeth From Knoxville both was clear about what was happening—“We’re storming the Capitol! It’s a revolution!”—and also seemed genuinely affronted that the police sworn to protect the Capitol and government had the temerity to mace her…”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/trumps-culture-impunity-produced/617638/

  7. An impeachment is looking more and more likely, with some Republicans now apparently saying they will vote for it.

    An impeachment needs a two thirds majority in the Senate. Are there really 16 GOP senators prepared to do it?

  8. How do you even prepare for a riot set in motion by the president?

    Who has that imagination?

    It is understandable that there was not enough preparation.

  9. Mike Pence had an interesting day last Wednesday, but the run-up was just as unprecedented and there’s no doubt that Trump set him up in that speech. There should be a special place in hell for Giuliani:

    “Mr. Trump was enraged that Mr. Pence was refusing to try to overturn the election. In a series of meetings, the president had pressed relentlessly, alternately cajoling and browbeating him. Finally, just before Mr. Pence headed to the Capitol to oversee the electoral vote count last Wednesday, Mr. Trump called the vice president’s residence to push one last time. “You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Mr. Trump told him, according to two people briefed on the conversation, “or you can go down in history as a pussy.”

    The blowup between the nation’s two highest elected officials then played out in dramatic fashion as the president publicly excoriated the vice president at an incendiary rally and sent agitated supporters to the Capitol where they stormed the building — some of them chanting “Hang Mike Pence.” Evacuated to the basement, Mr. Pence huddled for hours while Mr. Trump tweeted out an attack on him rather than call to check on his safety…

    When Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the election results were rejected at every turn by state officials and judges, Mr. Trump was told, incorrectly, that the vice president could stop the final validation of the election of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. in his role as president of the Senate presiding over the Electoral College count… Mr. Pence’s counsel, Greg Jacob, researched the matter and concluded the vice president had no such authority. Prodded by Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, two of his lawyers, Mr. Trump kept pressing. Mr. Pence’s office solicited more constitutional opinions, including from Mr. Yoo, a prominent conservative at the University of California at Berkeley who served in Mr. Bush’s administration.

    In the Oval Office last week, the day before the vote, Mr. Trump pushed Mr. Pence in a string of encounters, including one meeting that lasted at least an hour. John Eastman, a conservative constitutional scholar at Chapman University, was in the office and argued to Mr. Pence that he did have the power to act. The next morning, hours before the vote, Richard Cullen, Mr. Pence’s personal lawyer, called J. Michael Luttig, a former appeals court judge revered by conservatives — and for whom Mr. Eastman had once clerked. Mr. Luttig agreed to quickly write up his opinion that the vice president had no power to change the outcome, then posted it on Twitter. Within minutes, Mr. Pence’s staff incorporated Mr. Luttig’s reasoning, citing him by name, into a letter announcing the vice president’s decision not to try to block electors. Reached on Tuesday, Mr. Luttig said it was “the highest honor of my life” to play a role in preserving the Constitution.

    After the angry call cursing Mr. Pence, Mr. Trump riled up supporters at the rally against his own vice president, saying, “I hope he doesn’t listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he’s listening to.”

    “He set Mike Pence up that day by putting it on his shoulders,” said Ryan Streeter, an adviser to Mr. Pence when he was the governor of Indiana. “That’s a pretty unprecedented thing in American politics. For a president to throw his own vice president under the bus like that and to encourage his supporters to take him on is something just unconscionable in my mind.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/politics/mike-pence-trump.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210113&instance_id=25950&nl=the-morning&regi_id=92386359&segment_id=49160&te=1&user_id=88a853b48475ac441e2bca51f72ddacb

  10. At the end of the day, Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence stood up for the Constitution, despite enormous pressure from the president to do the opposite.

    They, and Mitt Romney, and the Republican officials in Georgia, and others demonstrated the most extraordinary courage under fire. History will be kind to them.

    Our local fake Constitution-mongers have as far as I have seen never commented about the pantywaist dictator’s attempt to force Pence to invalidate the vote of ( certain ) states, something that he has no authority under the Constitution to do.

  11. Phantom

    Can you really see the Senate voting by two thirds to impeach Trump this week?

  12. //How do you even prepare for a riot set in motion by the president?//

    It seems there was some chatter by wannabe “revolutionaries” on right-wing sites in the days leading up to the Congress certification. You can be sure they were monitored by the FBI etc.

    “If this does not change, then I advocate, Revolution and adherence to the rules of war. I say, take the hill or die trying.”

    another wrote

    “It’s already apparent that literally millions of Americans are on the verge of activating their Second Amendment duty to defeat tyranny and save the republic.”

    I found these on a leftie site and have no idea as to their accuracy.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/capitol-rioters-planned-for-weeks-in-plain-sight-the-police-werent-ready

    But everybody knew at least that there was going to be a large crowd of fired-up protesters just a stone’s throw from the venue and at exactly the same time when the final step in Trump’s defeat in the election was being taken.
    The authorities are supposed to plan for the unforeseen, and at such a giddy time in US politics and in such a sensitive spot, there should have been more than a risk that something was going to happen.

  13. Peter

    There is talk of not having the Senate vote until the new Senate comes in.

    Noel

    Yes. All your above comments are correct. Let’s see what the skells said on parler and on the other sites.

  14. A top ABC reporter also wrote:
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    Many of the protesters who went to Capitol Hill last week posted openly about their intentions in the days and weeks leading up to the insurrection.

    “In the run-up to the rally and then the riot at the Capitol, a lot of people were posting what they wanted to do, that they wanted to act out violently,” Margolin said. “They were bringing weapons. In fact, there was a discussion … on social media in advance about the rioters possibly taking members of Congress hostage using the zip ties.”

    One of the key reasons authorities were so unprepared for the violent protest was because the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis had been scaled back since the summer, Margolin said.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/capitol-rioters-implicated-social-media-posts/story?id=75177672

  15. I still take with a pinch of salt the vast majority of those ‘prepare for war’ small dick braggers !