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April 12, 1606

By Patrick Van Roy On April 12th, 2021

By royal decree of England’s King James I, the English St. George’s Cross, and Scotland’s St. Andrew’s Cross, are brought together in one design to symbolize the new unity of their two nations.

16 Responses to “April 12, 1606”

  1. Anyone correct the above?

  2. is it wrong?

  3. The 12th of April 1606 AD

    When the Scottish King James VI succeeded to the throne of England in 1603 on the death of Elizabeth I , the two countries remained legally and administratively separate – they just happened to share a monarch. James, however, wished to bring the countries closer, and to make a visible symbol of his rule over both. To this end he commissioned the royal heralds to design a flag incorporating the main elements of those of both nations.

    The Union Jack was gifted to the world by royal decree on April 12 1604, intended for use on ships both civil and naval originally, though after a time its use was in theory restricted to the King’s fleet.

    The new flag had the red cross of St George in the centre, its bars running vertically and horizontally; the white X of the saltire running from each corner, and a narrow band of white either side of the red bars, the rest of the space being the dark blue of the Scots flag.

    In a gesture of defiance the Scots for some time made their version with the white X to the fore, the cross of St George relegated to the background. The poor Welsh had no such option open to them, their country being part of England in law, thus leaving them without symbolic representation. Likewise Ireland, which since the time of Henry VIII had been in English law a fiefdom of the English crown.

  4. This may be a statement that “ Union Jack “ is not the right term for this flag.

    Inside baseball.

  5. Strictly speaking the term ‘Union Jack’ only applies to the flag when it is hoisted officially on a ship. It is otherwise known as the Union Flag. However, everyone colloquially calls it the Union Jack wherever it is displayed so the pedants can be rightfully ignored 😉

  6. Yes, words change.

    This one is like when some say ” the US isn’t a democracy “

  7. I presumed Noel was referring to the flag pictured which of course was from the time of 1801 on wards when the British included their symbol for St. Patrick into the flag.

    Image of what this post should include

    http://projectbritain.com/geography/unionjack3a.html

    Because, and I am but a humble Irishman (of the Republic kind) – I also thought that ‘union jack’ was exclusive to when it is flown from a ship, but since then I heard this corrected. It can be used correctly as a term to describe a the flag on land also. I’ll see if I can find a link.

  8. It’s amazing how some beliefs are maintained…

    “In 1908, a government minister stated, in response to a parliamentary question, that “the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack#:~:text=The%20terms%20Union%20Jack%20and,is%20a%20matter%20of%20debate.

    TL/DR – The flag can be called the Union Jack regardless of whether it’s on a warship or not.

  9. SmcG, correct. The flag pictured above wasn’t created until two hundred years later, when the red saltire (the red diagonal bars) was added after the (forced) Union of Ireland and GB in 1801.

    The term “Union Jack” was originally only for ships. A “jack” is the name for a flag or pendant flown from the jackstaff at the ship’s bow (in contrast to the ensign, which is flown from the stern). Even the Irish navy uses the term “jack” (a gold harp on a green field in the Irish case).

  10. WHAT DO I WIN?

    😀

  11. Wow, what eagle eyes.

    You both win a pint at the Cittie of Yorke if London ever properly reopens

  12. Not really, Phantom. The red saltire is the Irish part of the flag, and its inclusion here, centuries before Ireland was part of the UK, was a quite obvious error.
    There was talk of dropping St Patrick’s saltire from the flag after Ireland left the UK, but Unionists insisted on retaining it, even though the flag of NI is different.

    //WHAT DO I WIN?//

    A weekend in Bangor, Co. Down, with a lady of your choice.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/video-x-rated-footage-of-woman-stripping-outside-a-comber-bar-branded-disgusting-34226994.html

    I wonder were these women out rioting over lack of masks at the Bobby Storey funeral ?

  13. Did not know this

  14. ^^^ Which part?

    Thread carefully as Guinness drinking privileges may be irrevocably revoked.

  15. “A weekend in Bangor, Co. Down, with a lady of your choice.”

    I shudder to think what Colm, Phantom and Patrick qualify for after being wrong.

  16. It’s such a beauty. The heart never fails to soar at its sight.