169 2 mins 1 yr

Tomorrow is Election Day in the Georgia Senate runoff. It’s a big deal.

In years past, Republicans just had to show up in order to collect their victory. Suddenly, that’s not true anymore. The Dems are seriously organized. The organizers have registered plenty of new voters. Their voters will show up. Many have already, as early voters.

Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump are unintentionally doing all they can to help the Democrats. McConnell has blocked the larger stimulus checks that lots of Georgians need. Trump has cast doubt on the election process itself, saying that an honorable ( Republican ) official, Mr. Raffensberger, knows about mass fraud and is doing nothing about it. It’s a lie, but lots of rubes believe it.

If you were a working class Republican voter who could use an aid check, and who has been convinced by the likes of Trump and Lin Wood that the election process, one overseen by Republicans, is fraudulent, why would you bother to vote? Lin Wood has publicly asked Republicans not to vote!

I don’t like any of the four candidates, for different reasons. It’s a pity all four can’t lose.

If I lived there, I’d vote, but I’d hold my nose when doing so.

This race is no sure thing. But if the Democrats win tomorrow, there will be two reasons. One is that the Dems worked their ass off to seize it. The second is that the leader of the Republican Party has committed political malpractice on a grand scale, by casting doubt on a process that his people needed to enthusiastically participate in.

May the least bad candidates win.

Click to rate this post!
[Total: 0 Average: 0]

169 thoughts on “A Confederacy of Dunces

  1. bloomin heck you’re a fussy one Phantom
    They’re great candidates Ossoff and Warnock
    what don’t you like ?

    with a commander in chief that is so profoundly immoral this election is a no-brainer
    The GOP candidates are terrible, mired is scandal , mostly financial.
    They have no interest in the people of Georgia, just simply yes men and women to perpetuate an immoral GOP senate .

    hope Ossoff never has a kid and calls it Terry , or Tanya ? 😉

  2. Warnock has actually defended the racist Reverend Wright. That’s like praising David Duke. He admired another black preacher who called the white evangelical church “ Satan “. He has condemned “ whiteness “ – who’s that aimed at?

    He’s an Israel hater, too, to wrap up the package.

    Ossoff also, every time he talks makes a racial appeal to blacks. If he has appealed to the white working class in Georgia, I haven’t heard it.

    The two Republicans are miserable, predictable.. But I think that the Dems could have done better than nominating two Al Sharpton impersonators.

    Georgia loses, no matter what the result

  3. Phantom, when you’re interacting with various people from different parts of the US who you know or suspect are probably Republican voters, how many do you think believe the Pres. election was “stolen”?

  4. The Georgia voters can give their verdict on Trump’s ongoing attempted coup. Only it’s not just Trump, it’s at least a quarter of GOP senators and a majority of GOP House Members. A successful democracy needs two parties who are each prepared to accept electoral defeat. That no longer seems to apply in America:

    “Mr. Trump and his staff have floated the idea of delaying Mr. Biden’s inauguration, even though it is set in stone by the Constitution, and the president met with a former adviser who has publicly urged him to declare martial law to “rerun” the election in states he lost. Mr. Trump’s erratic behavior has so alarmed military commanders who fear he might try to use troops to stay in the White House that every living former defense secretary — including two he appointed himself — issued a warning against the armed forces becoming involved.

    Undaunted, the president has encouraged Vice President Mike Pence and congressional allies to do anything they can to block the final formal declaration of Mr. Biden’s victory when Congress meets on Wednesday, seeking to turn what has historically been a ceremonial moment into a last-ditch showdown over the election. The idea has disturbed even many senior Republicans and it is guaranteed to fall short, much to the president’s frustration…

    Mr. Trump’s fidelity to the concept of American democracy has long been debated. From the earliest days of his campaign for the White House, critics suggested that he harbored autocratic tendencies that raised questions about whether he would eventually subvert democracy or seek to stay in power even if he lost, questions that grew loud enough that he felt compelled to respond. “There is nobody less of a fascist than Donald Trump,” he insisted in 2016.

    But Mr. Trump did little to disabuse those fears in subsequent years. He expressed admiration for strongmen like Mr. Putin, Mr. Orban, President Xi Jinping of China and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, evincing envy of their ability to act decisively without the checks of a democratic government. He asserted at various points that the Constitution “allows me to do whatever I want” with the special counsel investigating him and that his “authority is total” to order states to follow his wishes…

    When Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt published their best-selling book, “How Democracies Die,” in 2018, warning that even the United States could slide into autocracy, they faced blowback from some who thought they were overstating the case. “We were criticized by some as alarmist,” Mr. Ziblatt, a government professor at Harvard University, said on Monday. “It turns out we weren’t alarmist enough.”

  5. I don’t always get into politics with people

    I know a number of educated, curious Republicans, with whom I’ve had political discussions and exactly none of them believe in this nonsense. All of them think that Trump is an incompetent, an idiot, is a danger, but they (mostly) support him because they hate the Democrats even more

    I know four – good guys but not educated, not readers – Republicans – one in New Jersey, one in Staten Island NYC, two in Florida, who believe this 100%.

    I spoke with one of them about Mr. trumps Saturday phone call demanding that Georgia officials change the votes in his favor. He saw nothing wrong with the phone call. I pressed him on it. He became irritated, and said that they all do things like that.

    This is what Trump has done to America

  6. //He became irritated, and said that they all do things like that.//

    Remember how so many like him used to accuse Obama of acting like a dictator.

  7. Peter

    Trump has long had authoritarian, anti-democratic tendencies. We’ve discussed this on these pages for years.

    Trump has done significant damage to America’s image in the World, it’s soft power, it’s moral authority.

    Putin and Xi and Iran’s Supreme Leader can quote the American President who has repeatedly said that American democracy is no good at all, that it’s a rigged system.

    The shenanigans Of the last two months mean that that damage continues well after Inauguration Day.

    That is what he has done to America

    Noel

    Yes.

    Like someone here ( hi Patrick )

  8. Phantom

    But it’s not just Trump, it’s his party, and it goes back decades:

    “It’s a story of escalation, from the relentless obstruction of the Gingrich era to the effort to impeach Bill Clinton to the attempt to nullify the presidency of Barack Obama and on to the struggle, however doomed, to keep Joe Biden from ever sitting in the White House as president. It also goes beyond national politics. In 2016, after a Democrat, Roy Cooper, defeated the Republican incumbent Pat McCrory for the governorship of North Carolina, the state’s Republican legislature promptly stripped the office of power and authority. Wisconsin Republicans did the same in 2018 after Tony Evers unseated Scott Walker in his bid for a third term. And Michigan Republicans took similar steps against another Democrat, Gretchen Whitmer, after her successful race for the governor’s mansion…

    It’s worth emphasizing the bad faith and dishonesty on display here. At least 140 House Republicans say that they will vote against counting certain electoral votes on Wednesday. Among them are newly seated lawmakers in Georgia and Pennsylvania, two states whose votes are in contention. But the logic of their objection applies to them as well as Biden. If his state victories are potentially illegitimate, then so are theirs. Or take the charge, from Ted Cruz and 10 other Senate Republicans, that multiple key swing states changed (or even violated) their election laws in contravention of the Constitution. If it’s true for those cases, then it’s also true of Texas, where Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, unilaterally expanded voting, however meagerly. And yet there’s no drive to cancel those results…”

  9. I think that Peters criticism of the Republicans over time is valid.

    The bomb thrower Gingrich was at the root of much of this too, as was Reagan who said too truth be told. He spread the idea that government was a problem.

  10. I must agree with Phantom here. It is clearly time for Trump to go as his sore losership has become a boil on the body politic of the country. He seems to want to bring down the entire Republican Party with him. The R’s need to cut him loose, and fast.

  11. Peter,

    I sit in bewilderment at the action of some r’s in Congress over the seating of Biden as President. Do they really expect to keep Trump as president via their obstruction? It’s madness, IMO.

  12. I know this isn’t a representative sample, but all of the Americans I’ve met and know personally, are not Trump supporters. In fact many of them cannot stand him. But it’s interesting to hear an American perspective on why so many people voted in into power in the first place.

  13. Charles, your characteristic honesty really is a breath of conservative republican fresh air.

    Please stick around.

  14. Welcome back Charles.

    It’s impossible to know the motivation of the GOP Congress members who are supporting Trump’s attempted coup. No doubt some of them are true believers in their messiah. But some of them like Cruz and Hawley are clearly opportunists on the make and the rest are probably shit-scared that the Don will end their political careers if they fail to back him.

  15. I think Trump will fade from direct politics after he leaves office. I don’t believe at all that he will be a contender in 2024. The political circus will move on and Trump can go back to being a loud media personality.

  16. I echo the other sentiments here welcoming more comments from Charles. He and Daphne are the best of Texas, and much needed here !

  17. I don’t always agree with them, but yes, Charles and Daphne have been strong contributors who I wish would comment more.

    And the loss of mahons has also made this a lesser place. I would like to see him back if possible. His comments would have been worth listening to in recent days.

  18. I think Trump will fade from direct politics after he leaves office.

    I wouldn’t be at all confident about that.

    Trump owns the GOP at the moment and he will want to profit from that, politiclly and financially. But even if he retires it’s clear that the brats have ambitions. Ivanka looks like running in Florida where she and hubby have just moved to, and the junior Don may well run for the nomination in 2024. Dynansties seem to be a feature of political life in the republic.

  19. Trump needs to dominate the stage. He can never retreat to his farm, as Washington did. He’s not like that.

    Donald Jr. is an empty suit with minimal personality, he’s going nowhere. Like Eric, if DJT was not the father, he’d be sitting behind a desk in a drone job.

    Ivanka is smarter than Donald or Eric, a lot smarter, but I have a hard time seeing her wanting to be in politics, with a waste of time job like governor of Florida.

    By all of them spending their time in politics, they’re neglecting the family real estate business.

  20. Trump will definitely keep in the limelight somehow. He doesn’t do ‘wallflower’. He will probably set up a TV operation centred of course around him and he will broadcast to his faithful about how as the ‘Greatest former President’ he would be doing things better than Biden is. I think Ivanka would love to develop into a role as a global ‘influencer’ and powerful netwoker hosting important events something like that. As to the brothers and her husband, I can’t see anything of use they could do.

  21. But even if he retires it’s clear that the brats have ambitions.

    And were USers to elect these epitomes of self entitlement to the top job with their only qualifications for it being their background of nepotism and corruption at the behest of their lying, embezzling, serial womanising, incompetent narcissist father after all that ‘drain the swamp guff’ they’d absolutely fucking deserve all that comes with it.

  22. In a real democracy, being the child or sibling or spouse of a politician shouldn’t give you a leg up to a cushy politician job for yourself.

    But just look at the history of the Bushes, the Kennedys, the many others in the US and elsewhere, look at the dead weight of next generations and siblings and wives who have been shoved into senior jobs by reason of heredity and clan.

    Very many people long for a king and royal family, despite all. If they didn’t you’d never have had the likes of GW Bush, Ted Kennedy, or even Hillary Clinton considered for senior positions, even for a second.

    There was even talk for a while of Chelsea Clinton becoming a senator or whatever for a while based on her qualifications of being able to brush her teeth successfully

  23. Yes, nepotism and clientism have existed since time immemorial.

    I don’t see what it has to do with my commenting that were USers to vote these vacuous cretins into the top job as a result of it they would deserve all they got.

  24. I watched some of last night’s Trump rally in Georgia.

    Almost noone was wearing masks.

    Trumpism remains a Death Cult to the bitter end.

  25. Phantom

    Predictions. Will the GOP win the seats. On another point I keep hearing that either the Republican Senators will win or the Democrats. Can it not be one of each. How does it work ?

  26. I have no idea who will win. It will be a very close call. The result may not be known for days, not due to any chicanery, but because of a huge turnout and a really tight margin.

    These are two separate elections for two individual senate seats.

    These races would normally take place in different years, but you have two this year because Senator Isakson retired early due to health reasons and there had to be a special election to fill his seat. I think thats the one that Loefler and Warnock are contesting.

    The Dems could win both, the Republicans could win both, or Dems could win one, the Republicans the other, etc.

  27. It’s not a death cult and the virus is not the plague it’s a bad flu get over it….

    Colm one or the other or both can win or lose it’s 2 races.

    I’ll be shocked if the republicans win and even if they do it will make no difference in a Biden Presidency.

    If Biden’s President and the Republicans control the Senate they will still give him everything he wants.

  28. Phantom all picking and bullshit aside, what do you think of the proposed 10 day audit?

  29. I don’t support a 10 day audit

    I think that the proposal has been made in extreme bad faith by a president who does not like the decision of the voters

    Especially in cases like Georgia and Arizona where honorable ( Republican ) officials have overseen a free and fair election only to be vilified by an unhinged authoritarian who never wants to release the reins of personal power.

  30. The proposal wasn’t put together by him. It is also designed to display publicly if the vote is valid or it is not.

    Settling that question is a must. The doubt must be dismissed in a civil manner in either direction. It can not be allowed to fester.

    If there is no fraud, or just the minor bullshit that you get in every election then the loons on the right are defanged. They don’t have that seed of doubt to manipulate others.

    The ten day audit are stiches to the wound.

  31. That ship sank before it left the harbor.

    The increasingly deranged, threatening, and wildly illegal conduct of the president makes such a thing impossible. You can’t just ignore the larger context of this.

    It will not happen.

  32. Nonsense.

    If Trump is no longer President he has no power period. Any other suggesting he’ll lead a revolt or bull along that line is the voice of propagandic lunacy. It’s not who people are Phantom and you know it.

    But to leave a festering doubt in the legitimacy of the voting system is an infection that must be cauterized.

    The audit won’t change the result, but it will seal the wound and prevent infection. That is the most important issue here.

  33. If there is no fraud, or just the minor bullshit that you get in every election

    But that’s what all the numerous court claims and recounts and audits in various states concluded , hence the ratification in all States and the Electoral College.

    Having this 10 day audit is a bit like holding another Mueller investigation because some people don’t accept the outcome of the first one.

  34. Colm not one court heard the Presidents case, nothing was settled. You people across the pond do not understand this. I’ve tried to explain it, but it must be a cultural issue.

    The Lower courts refusal and then the SC refusal added gas to the fire, it eliminated or settled nothing just the opposite.

    This is an infection that must be stopped before it spreads. The Public win or lose have to have it settled and it is not. Leaving it unsettled will have very dangerous long term effects.

  35. The Lower courts refusal and then the SC refusal added gas to the fire, it eliminated or settled nothing just the opposite.

    Yes, the judicicial system in the US is complicit at every level in the steal.

  36. No Raffensberger is a deep state RINO Commie paid off by Hugo Chavez’s corpse on February 31, 2021.

    Lin Wood and Sidney Powell said so, it must be true.

  37. Phantom, on January 5th, 2021 at 4:41 PM Said: Edit Comment
    You go ahead and fix the problem that you created out of nothing.

    You certainly won’t try no matter how many deaths it leads to, Trump will be gone that’s what you’ve been reduced to….. shame on you

    both sides have to settle or this is no healing, both sides need to feel it is settled. Without it you fuel the insanity, you create despair, you cause death.

    There comes a time Phantom when you have to look at the big picture as it really is. Divided, fractured, a million different points of view and the peace between them all must be maintained. That takes give from all sides.

    You are unable to view it from that wide of a lens or just haven’t tried to, more likely.

    Step out of the NOW, and look to probabilities and outcomes.

  38. Patrick

    The courts listened to the claims in every case, they didn’t refused the plaintiffs, they just concluded there was nothing worth hearing. As the old TV advert used to say “Where’s the Beef” ?

  39. Always, the threat of violence.

    Why don’t you tell your demented president to talk sense into his sheep?

  40. “Colm not one court heard the Presidents case, nothing was settled.”

    They didn’t hear his case because he hadn’t got one.

    Let’s face it absolutely nothing would “settle it” because anyone who needs more than the “case” being laughed out of court is beyond reason. Even if all the Supreme Court justices personally visited you at home and slapped you in the face with a wet mackerel every time you got it wrong about the consitution, you would still say it wasn’t settled. And anyway who has that many mackerel.

  41. Pat, It is settled by law – Biden won and will be verified again tomorrow
    but its funny you talk about feelings , remember the meme
    ‘Fuck your feelings’ in 2016 worn by Trump supporters
    perhaps you’ve forgotten – well here’s a pic
    Still wanna talk about those hurt feelings ?
    The snide threats of violence and causal suggestion it’ll be libs fault if your “hurt feelings” are not massaged . Do you see how ridiculous you’re being , looking at the photo?
    Look again , what do you see ?

  42. Phantom there is no threat of violence from the President or his followers, but to deny the threat of a lunatic that can run with this, to deny that leaving a festering open wound won’t lead to problems is beyond denial.

    Violence is real in this country. Thousands are murdered every day. You want to paint idiotic pictures of trump at the head of an armed rebellion of mind numb trumpistas…. you’re living in a fantasy.

    However some loon in a bunker in Wyoming, Virginia, Oklahoma, Montana, etc this is the kind of thing they use to justify their lunacy. Ignoring it or just saying “Too Bad you side brought this on” will be of wonderful comfort to the families of those in whatever federal target one of these inbreds blowup.

  43. The president has set an ominous tone for the country with all his talk of ” angry people ” and ” stolen election ”

    There was no stolen election and he is inciting the angry people.

    His talk is increasingly deranged.

    He’s not even talking much at all about the Coronavirus now, he has never spoken much about the Russian hack except to obsolve Russia.

    Everything is about him. Even last night, he said that if the two Republicans win he won’t get proper credit for what he did for them.

    He also said that ” if Biden wins ” that there would be an unrestricted supply of fentanyl and other dangerous drugs allowed to come in from Mexico.

    Never has there been such a laughable figure in the US. Or world, except for the late statesman Idi Amin Dada.

  44. The courts listened to the claims in every case, they didn’t refused the plaintiffs, they just concluded there was nothing worth hearing. As the old TV advert used to say “Where’s the Beef” ?

    The courts heard nothing, they took preliminaries and all said pass.

    You all are under the delusion that doing so is in some way a reflection on the validity of a case. It is not. It is a testimony to the Independence of the Judiciary.

    A Pass is a Pass, period it carries no other weight. That is how our system is designed.

  45. Because they could

    And the reason that they could?

    You all are under the delusion that doing so is in some way a reflection on the validity of a case. It is not. It is a testimony to the Independence of the Judiciary

    Third party corraboration of this claim past your own chicanery, please.

  46. actually Biden is doing a kind of national day of reconciliation , on the day before the inauguration , people are invited to gather and remember the fallen, the lost hundreds of thousands who have died during this pandemic, that would be an appropriate place for republicans to deal with their hurt feelings of losing the election, and think of others who are not even lucky enough to be alive !

  47. There was no stolen election and he is inciting the angry people.

    That is an opinion that you aren’t even willing to prove, let alone able to prove. Millions of people justified or not have the opinion the election was stolen and they have been denied the ability to present their case.

    Both sides opinions are valid, because they are opinions. What you are saying is “fuck you, my opinion is right yours is shit sit down and shut up we don’t have to prove anything to you or hear your complaints.

    Now any group saying that to any other group is going to create a wee bit of animosity. Now 99% of any side will just grumble and take it, however 1% of bothsides are violently unstable.

    I would like to prevent either sides 1% from causing destruction…. you either don’t care or just refuse to see it.

    Except of course you do see Trump calling for violence….. lmao

  48. When the Supreme court shot down the Trump case they reviewed the documents provided by the legal teams. If Trump’s team had anything substantial they should have included it in the documents the filed.

  49. And the reason that they could?

    Because a Judge has the power to do as they please. It is the most powerful INDEPENDENT Office a Person can hold besides President.

  50. Both sides opinions are valid

    Both sides aren’t valid.

    One side got elected, this has been accepted by most political and every judicial organ in the country. The other didn’t get elected and made fabricated claims they couldn’t prove.

    The suggestion of some kind of equivalence is balls.

  51. Because a Judge has the power to do as they please.

    And how do yoy know they ‘did as they pleased?’

    As I said, Third party corraboration of this claim past your own chicanery, please.

  52. State elections are normally decided more by the candidates’ positions on local, state, issues, are they not? How much is the “steal” election row really an issue in today’s Ga election?
    At any rate it looks like the Dems could have secured it if they’d stuck to more traditional Dem politics.

    As the future of Trump and Trumpism, I reckon it will go the way of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, which was supposed to be the start of a new revolution in US politics.

    Actually, in his brainlessness, ego, brashness and appeal to dummies, Trump is very much a male Palin.

  53. FewsOrange, on January 5th, 2021 at 5:55 PM Said: Edit Comment
    When the Supreme court shot down the Trump case they reviewed the documents provided by the legal teams. If Trump’s team had anything substantial they should have included it in the documents the filed.

    They did they refused to hear it…… FO how many casses get submitted to the Supreme Court, now How many do they hear?

    Answer over 500 and only about 70…..

    The Judges are not bound to decide to hear anything and the Supreme Court hears cases it CHOOSES to rule on because they want to settle the issue.

    NO OTHER REASON

    and this is NOT a case they want to be responsible for settling period.

  54. NO OTHER REASON

    You keep saying that but I’ve never seen any evidence to support that allegation.

    I think you’re incorrect and I think you’ve invented that to excuse your suggestion that politics should usurp law.

  55. At any rate it looks like the Dems could have secured it if they’d stuck to more traditional Dem politics.

    Agree. These Dems are bomb throwers, with an explicitly racial appeal, and not everyone wants to vote for that kind of thing.

    Former Dem Senator Carol Mosely Braun was critical of the Democratic national party for not giving stronger support to Doug Jones in Alabama. She thinks that he might have had a chance – he was in the Senate already, and was and is a moderate. He lost big to a football coach tackling dummy Trumper, so I’m not sure that she’s correct here, but no matter who wins and loses, there will be second guessing.

  56. Even if all the Supreme Court justices personally visited you at home and slapped you in the face with a wet mackerel every time you got it wrong about the consitution, you would still say it wasn’t settled. And anyway who has that many mackerel.

    Certainly not the UK, not after the EU stole them all, post-Brexit.

  57. All the court cases tossed out were because the courts asked the plaintiffs to present the evidence they had to justify a full hearing and the judges ruled either that the case hadn’t been made or that there wasn’t enough evidence to warrant a full trial. The courts did not say “we don’t want to touch this”. They touched it and realised it was candy floss.

  58. Giuliani himself said that he was not bringing a fraud case!

    So how could the court rule on fraud that the president’s lawyer didn’t allege in the first place.

  59. The courts did not say “we don’t want to touch this”. They touched it and realised it was candy floss.

    I very much suspect that to be the case Colm. I’m waiting for Pat to convince me otherwise with something weightier than his baseless unsupported allegations.

    Certainly not the UK, not after the EU stole them all, post-Brexit.

    The EU Christmas spoiling bastards:

    https://twitter.com/NickKen99156276/status/1343902374088355842/photo/1

  60. Next thing Trump will probably do is to try and work out if he can deselect the 3 Judges he has placed on the Supreme Court and replace them with Ivanka, Jared and Eric 🙂

  61. Now suddenly Pat is interested in bi-partisan and reconciliation politics, it seems convenient timing

  62. If there is no fraud, or just the minor bullshit that you get in every election then the loons on the right are defanged. They don’t have that seed of doubt to manipulate others.

    Patrick

    First, this “10 day audit” is unconstitutional. All constitutional steps have been taken so far and the final ones will be tomorrow. An “audit” at this stage would set a precedent for future elections and mean that even the result of the Electoral College was just provisional. It would actually increase the case for abolishing the college.

    But second, if this “audit” took place and confirmed that Biden was fairly elected, do you really think that Trump and his millions of demented conspiracy believers would accept it? They would simply dismiss it as they have dismissed everything else that confirms he lost the election.

  63. And if the Trump coup were to succeed tomorrow it would greatly damage the GOP’s chances in the future:

    “Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas shares the presidential ambitions of Cruz and Josh Hawley and others who want to disrupt the electoral vote count. But where they see opportunity, he sees blowback. Here he is in a statement released by his office:

    “If Congress purported to overturn the results of the Electoral College, it would not only exceed that power, but also establish unwise precedents. First, Congress would take away the power to choose the president from the people, which would essentially end presidential elections and place that power in the hands of whichever party controls Congress. Second, Congress would imperil the Electoral College, which gives small states like Arkansas a voice in presidential elections. Democrats could achieve their longstanding goal of eliminating the Electoral College in effect by refusing to count electoral votes in the future for a Republican president-elect.”

    So do seven of his Republican colleagues in the House, who similarly argue that this stunt will undermine the Republican Party’s ability to win presidential elections:

    “From a purely partisan perspective, Republican presidential candidates have won the national popular vote only once in the last 32 years. They have therefore depended on the Electoral College for nearly all presidential victories in the last generation. If we perpetuate the notion that Congress may disregard certified electoral votes — based solely on its own assessment that one or more states mishandled the presidential election — we will be delegitimizing the very system that led Donald Trump to victory in 2016, and that could provide the only path to victory in 2024.”

  64. My claims aren’t baseless… they carry more weight and make more sense than your simply because 1 you’ve decided how the courts should rule based on your “feelings” and 2 you have absolutely no clue how the American Judicial system works.

    Feelings and ignorance is all you offer as proof that you are right while demanding I provide some link to the the behind the doors inner motivations of the court and then you have the nerve to say I’m promoting or believing in a conspiracy.

    No I’m basing my view on the history of the court and the volatility of them ruling.

    Through out history the court refuses to hear perfectly sound cases over they simple fact that they don’t want to touch it with a ten foot pole. It is actually very common, and this is a case they don’t want to touch.

  65. I do want to add as a side note, I hope the crazy preacher wins tomorrow, Loeffler or whatever her name is, is an inside trader and profiteer….. I’ll take crazy over a thief.

  66. If Pence can decide who wins the election, that’s like saying AlGore could have won over GWBush in 2000 just on the VP say so –
    colm its not just candy floss its bum fluff
    ( same thing — (ed) 😉

  67. Our opinions are based purely on the fact that no legitimate evidence of voter fraud has ever been provided

  68. But if the Democrats win tomorrow, there will be two reasons. One is that the Dems worked their ass off to seize it. The second is that the leader of the Republican Party has committed political malpractice on a grand scale, by casting doubt on a process that his people needed to enthusiastically participate in.

    Three reasons.

    The third is that the media has yet again refused to do its job. Warnock (Dem) hosted and praised Fidel Castro, blocked a police investigation into child abuse, threw yrine over a young child at a camp he ran and once publicly declared that “America needs to repent for supporting Trump and its ‘worship of whiteness’”.

    I vet they don’t tell you that on CNN.

  69. I do want to add as a side note, I hope the crazy preacher wins tomorrow, Loeffler or whatever her name is, is an inside trader and profiteer….. I’ll take crazy over a thief.

    i see small signs of redemption 😉

  70. petem
    lol – after trump there is no low mate, dirt doesn’t matter anymore in politics
    grab em by the pussy, cheat charities, extort ukraine, try to steal an election by begging for votes . This is the moral filth, the degradation and its all caused by your man
    you own this shit !!!

  71. My claims aren’t baseless… they carry more weight and make more sense than your simply because 1 you’ve decided how the courts should rule based on your “feelings” and 2 you have absolutely no clue how the American Judicial system works

    No but the SCOTUS does:

    The Court usually is not under any obligation to hear these cases, and it usually only does so if the case could have national significance, might harmonize conflicting decisions in the federal Circuit courts, and/or could have precedential value . In fact, the Court accepts 100-150 of the more than 7,000 cases that it is asked to review each year. Typically, the Court hears cases that have been decided in either an appropriate U.S. Court of Appeals or the highest Court in a given state (if the state court decided a Constitutional issue).

    https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/supreme-1

    I can think of little more that would have ‘national significance, might harmonize conflicting decisions in the federal Circuit courts, and/or could have precedential value than a disputed election.

    That’s my heavily persuasive reason that the SCOTUS didn’t reject the cases out of hand, what’s yours, over baseless invented rubbish?

    You’ve got mail.

  72. Colm, Paul, Phantom, and Dave,

    Thank you for your kind words! I’ll try to visit more now that my mom-in-law’s visit is over.
    The vote in Georgia seems to be going the Dem’s way. We’ll see what the morning brings.

  73. Trump spent the last two months attacking republican officials in Georgia and the election result itself
    Any loss is down to him looking good for the clean sweep
    The radical socialist idea of just returning to normal is on the way means fix stuff trump broke

  74. The Dems have definitely won one Georgia seat and probably both. Trump has already launched a Twitter shitstorm alleging fraud. He will amplify this today at the rally in DC. The rally will be attended by the Proud Boys and other far-right groups and Trump will of course warmly welcome them all.

    The bottom line for him and a lot of his party is that they can only be beaten when the Dems get away with cheating. This is another way of saying that democracy is fine as long as our guys always win, just like Putin.

  75. Trump ,Sidney Powell, and Lin Wood were the architects of defeat in Georgia. Congratulations to them for their accomplishment

    I think that America’s friends in the world, who are many, will welcome today’s news in Georgia

    The financial markets are looking up today.

    The terrible Trump chapter rapidly draws to a close

  76. I think that America’s friends in the world, who are many, will welcome today’s news in Georgia

    Sitting here in Europe it seems like the US has finally recovered from its breakdown.

  77. Mitch McConnell apparently will lose all his ability to block legislation or to block Judicial appointments

    His power is gone

    Things will be able to get done

    Now, let’s see what the Democrats can do with power

  78. yes indeed, bright days ahead
    keep an eye out for a flurry of butthurt posts today though from pvr
    thinly disguised threats of mayhem unless their hurt feelings are assuaged
    there is finality, the election is over, votes are counted , the law supports this :
    as for feelings: shit happens, and better luck next time 😉

  79. keep an eye out for a flurry of butthurt posts today though from pvr

    Troll said he was off to the protests.

  80. FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS. In fact Both Republican Candidates won MASSIVELY by hundreds of thousands of votes. At least 765,454 of the Democrat votes were faked ballots using the names of dead Georgians from an old 1967 electoral register . I have the proof but strangely enough the courts refuse to hear my evidence 🙂

  81. Colm, actually, I was just thinking the same thing. After all, only yesterday the candidates were level, now suddenly BOTH Dem candidates are somehow in the lead….

    And don’t get me started on how HUGE the turnout at the Rep candidates’ rallies has been.

  82. The protests, the counter protests, will be shameful.

    The antics in the Capitol by some politicians who don’t respect democracy, who reject the will of the voters, will fool no one, will forever stain the legacy of anyone who takes part in it.

    We will be talking about what just happened for a long time.

    VP Pence Is under huge pressure to do something historically stupid. I don’t think that he wants to go down in history as a traitorous plotter , so I don’t think that he will do it. If he follows the constitution, he will become an unperson to the fanatics.

    Trumpers have verbally confronted Sen Romney at an airport and on a plane. They’re cut from the same moral cloth as antifa- no rules, no respect, everything is total war

  83. Massive turnout by blacks and suburban whites not the same by some conservative rural white counties

    Trump was the best organizer for Warnock and Ossoff, even more than Abrams

  84. //Trump was the best organizer for Warnock and Ossoff,//

    Yes, and the Rep candidates hadn’t the sense to distance themselves from the raving lunatic, now they pay the price for their stupidity and lack of balls. They could have told him at least to stay in DC over the past few days.

    But still the results seem to be very close. In general it sure looks like the Dems and the Reps were both playing campaign manager for the candidates from the other side.

  85. VP Pence Is under huge pressure to do something historically stupid.

    Trump claims that Pence can simply reject the votes from any state he chooses to. Just imagine a US constitution where the sitting VP can legally choose to give his boss a second term. Even Putin can’t get re-elected that way.

  86. Guys like Ted Cruz don’t respect The constitution or democracy and will not mind doing something morally wrong

    Pence I think does respect democracy more than some others, so let’s see what he’s made of

  87. Eric Trump has threatened to end the political career of any Republican who doesn’t attempt to block Biden being declared president.

    It’s looking more and more like Trump being literally dragged out of the White House, screaming and wailing.

    Madness.

  88. Donald Trump’s major accomplishment may be his destruction of the national Republican Party and of conservatism as a national force.

    Burning down the White House, as the British did in 1812.

  89. Burning down the White House, as the British did in 1812.

    At least the Brits had the sense to get out of the building before striking the match. Trump is still sitting in there, complaining that it’s too warm.

  90. What an astonishingly arrogant prat that Eric (wannabe baby Don Corleone)Trump is. A nobody unelected to any office yet attempting to threaten the careers of any elected Republicans who honour the will of the American electorate and refuse to shill for his dad’s fake crusade.

  91. What an astonishingly arrogant prat that Eric (wannabe baby Don Corleone)Trump is.

    Eric is a clueless thicko. The scary one is the Junior Don.

  92. Eric is known to be pretty stupid.

    The smart child is Ivanka. Baby Don doesn’t impress me.

  93. It wasn’t love but fear that bound so many Republican politicians to
    @realDonaldTrump
    . So it’s not surprising that, having enabled him for four years, they’re turning on him now.

  94. The Junior Don can lie and rabble-rouse just as well as his old man. He’s had loads of practice as the warm-up speaker at the massed maskless ralies and the crowds love him and he revels in it. He’s seriously right wing, a big NRA fan and has over 6 million followers on Twitter to read and approve of the constant stream of lies and bile that he spews. And assuming he doesn’t run again himself, Trump will want to keep it in the family if he can. So the Junior Don ticks a lot of boxes for 2024.

    Cruz and Hawley are trying to head him off with their coup shenanigans today. This anti-constitutional farce is all about them squaring the Trumpist base for their own runs in 2024.

  95. If Biden can unite , if he has the energy for it, if he can contain the Squad/AOC element in his own party, Trumperism ( never to be confused with conservatism because there is nothing conservative or constitutional about any of it ) can slowly diminish.

  96. A nobody unelected to any office yet attempting to threaten the careers of any elected Republicans who honour the will of the American electorate and refuse to shill for his dad’s fake crusade.

    A comment which concisely demonstrates the respect for democratic norms and the will of the people the current administration holds.

  97. And the funny thing is that Donald Trump wasn’t much of a Republican until recent times.

    He gave money to Clinton and other Dems. He has few fixed principles.

    Now, after botching the presidency, botching his own re-election, botching the strategy in Georgia, now he wants to start purging ” his party “

  98. Echo the above comments
    Was listening to a radio show last night from America . The take away is that generally speaking when democrats lose , it’s kumbayah and accept result . The guy said when GOP lose they go after each other with meat cleavers .!!!
    When the dust settles it’ll be see that DJT is the sole reason that the two senate seats were lost .
    That means the party has to split between the trumpets and those like Romney who said for the traditional conservative position .
    The fight between these wings should mean Dems are in power for a generation .
    Can get alot done facing the challenges of the 21st century in a generation .

  99. The fight between these wings should mean Dems are in power for a generation .

    But if the GOP stays together the Dems could easily lose both the House and Senate in the 2022 mid-terms so they need to make the most of the next two years.

  100. The Dems to their eternal shame turned their backs on Jimmy Carter and George McGovern for a time after they lost their presidential elections

  101. I don’t think the GOP will split. I think once out of office Trump will quickly lose his hold and the loud, mouthy ‘rough diamond’ appeal he had that saw him propelled to the front of the GOP race and then the White House back in 2016 will now be seen as stale and no longer exciting. The GOP will move on and put Trump and his family behind them. After all, he was never really ‘one of them’.

  102. If the new leaders are Ted Cruz types, put 2024 in the books for the Dems right now.

    There needs to be not just a new person but a new perspective.

  103. Not sure Colm , trump was a winner for them and alot of people won’t want to let go of that .
    He is discredited entirely and will be more so over time but for die hards they have their icon and cult leader . It’s important that he’s neutered and I think he will be with all the court cases coming .
    He may even flee .
    But the truth is the GOP cannot rebuild with him in the background . Takes a silver bullet to destroy a vampire so to speak .
    A wounded Trump is more a threat now , but after the 20th and his Twitter ban . He’ll likely go the way if the Dodo aka DV to Parler and alt media noone listens to on any consequence, certainly not people in govt

  104. Anybody been listening to Trump’s ‘eloquent’ speech at the rally today. At one point he said something about ‘ Biden votes bullshit’ and the reporter had to apologise to viewers on the live feed. It sure stirs the patriotic American soul 🙂

  105. When they scanned the crowd I thought I saw Patrick, but then I realised most of them looked like Patrick 🙂

  106. Trump was a winner for them and alot of people won’t want to let go of that

    I’m going with the principle that eaten bread is quickly forgotten, Kurt and while there will be a hardcore of cultists I think the majority of GOP members realise the damage that Trump has done to their party, to the US, to law & to the truth. I mean, do you think that an unelected wastrel like Eric Trump threatening to finish the political careers of elected representatives unless they tow his line will be forgotten?

    I suspect that Trump will be relegated to after-dinner speaking shakedowns for cultists and I’ll be surprised if he or anyone connected to him are let near a major political position again.

    Merrick garland the selection for attorney general

    That is genius

    I’m unfamiliar with this Phantom. Could you flesh it out?

  107. Merrick Garland was selected by President Obama for a Supreme Court by President Obama in maybe 2015-2016

    It was subject to Senate confirmation

    With the strong support of Trump and other Republicans, Mitch McConnell never considered the nomination. They never had meetings, never did anything.

    It was a complete repudiation of their constitutional duties.

  108. Unelected grifter Donny Jr at the ‘Save America Rally’

    This isn’t their Republican Party anymore. This is Donald Trump’s Republican Party.

    I’d be interested in how the Texas Republicans on ATW view this.

  109. It belongs to Fifth Avenue and Mar A Lago outsiders!

    The real working class!!

    Matt Drudge, who was Republican for years, is openly mocking Trump on Drudge Report now.

    In the report on Georgia, he says ” Thanks Donald “

  110. Kurt and while there will be a hardcore of cultists I think the majority of GOP members realise the damage that Trump has done to their party, to the US, to law & to the truth.

    paul lets give this a back and forth here’s mine

    Paul and while there will be a minority of conservatives who aren’t cultists I think the majority of GOP members don’t realise the damage that Trump has done to their party, to the US, to law & to the truth.

    what we gonna do to persuade each other ?

  111. What we gonna do to persuade each other ?

    I don’t think we can do anything as both opinions are speculation about the future. I suppose we’ll just have to see what plays out.

    In other news:

    Pro Trump Proud Boys attack DC cops:

  112. yeah ok paul
    I’d be interested to know what the guys here think of our opinions though
    diametrically opposed
    who thinks the truth is closer to what paul said and who thinks I’m closer
    for fun, not for a big row i hasten to add 🙂
    as we wait for pat’s safe return to tell us all about it , on a cold day in DC

  113. Armed Trump heavies moving into Atlanta

    If the guru told them to fight, they would.

  114. Violent Trump supporters taunt DC cops ‘traitors’:

  115. just showing patriotic love for their country paul , against commie filth what’s wrong with that ? ( channeling petem here ) 😉

  116. //Here they are attacking a lone guy in a pack in Ohio://

    I meant the armed guys in military fatigues.
    Incredible that that’s allowed in the centre of US cities.

    Paul, does the police response in your links remind you of anything?

  117. All these goings on today will only show America and the world how correct the decision was to vote out Trump.

    Despite the flaws of the Dems, which are very many.

    Trump’s standing in history gets even lower by the hour.

  118. Paul, does the police response in your links remind you of anything?

    The thought had crossed my mind, Noel.

  119. From what I am hearing and seeing on new s channels they seem to be attempting to enter several Capitol buildings with almost no police presence.

  120. I meant the armed guys in military fatigues.
    Incredible that that’s allowed in the centre of US cities

    It always struck me that guys in military combat fatigues carrying military style weapons in urban environments in the US were always overcompensating for something. It very much reminds me of a more deadly mindset of those pretendy soldiers in quasi militaristic bands on the 12th of July.

    I don’t know if it’s they missed the boat for military service, they’re safe, fantasist soldiers in non combat situations or what.

  121. @alaynatreene
    White House reporter for
    @axios

    Staff in the Senate Press gallery staff just informed reporters sitting at their desks that if protestors storm the Capitol building they will usher us all into the Senate chamber and lock the door

    They’re in:

    Protesters swarmed the Capitol building and forced a lockdown, halting debate in House and Senate

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355

  122. Wasn’t it just a few months ago that the Trunk told us he was the only thing that stood between us and lawless mobs?

  123. Indeed, Kurt:

    Matt Sterling
    @MSterling27
    Production Journalist
    @UTVNews
    .
    @ITVNews

    Absolutely extraordinary scenes in #WashingtonDC as protesters have stormed the entrance of the Capitol Building, and are now clashing with police in the corridors outside the chambers of the House and Senate. Lawmakers have locked themselves in offices

  124. Trump promised recently that something ” wild ” would happen.

    None of this is spontaneous.

    He approves of all of it.

  125. Absolutely extraordinary, unprecedented scenes in Washington. This is a literal attack on the democratic system.

    If I were Trump I’d be very worried. If he can be connected to this it could well mean jail time.

  126. Stand back and stand by, he said to the mob a short time ago.

    Now you know what they were standing by for.

    There should be jail time. He clearly instigated every bit of this.

  127. Nick Bryant
    @NickBryantNY
    BBC New York correspondent, via Washington, South Asia and Sydney.

    Were this a different country on a different continent, we would be talking of a failed state

  128. Im also hearing some reports of similar scenes in govt buildings in other parts of the country. Anyone else hearing that ?

  129. trump will be relishing this at home secure in the WH as will virtually of his supporters
    they’ve had their day, they made history , god forbid if they were black, they’d be all shot dead by now – but never mind .. this is Trumps legacy and make no mistake he is proud of this, very proud, he’ll quote it in the future
    “Look what we did , we stayed strong , we are taking back control, USA has had enough stopthesteal MAGA Patriots Proud Boys ”

    haha Trump still has a sense of humour though – he just tweeted
    “Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue.”
    Did they forgot ?

  130. extraordinary paul , i just was watching that live feed earlier as the GOP and DEms took in turns to make a 5 min speech > VP Pence was in the char, not looking happy
    Trump in his speech directly incited this attack on Capital Hill , feed them everything they needed to go and storm the buildings

  131. Apparently Pence had to be taken to a place of safety. No surprise:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346900434540240897

    This must surely be treasonous.

  132. It’s all over the news here. It’s being called a coup against democracy and being compared to the Franco uprising.

  133. Incredible, and terrible to see the police fall back before that mob of dummies.

    Did anyone notice Patrick leading the charge?

    Apparently, the DC police had asked the Defence Secretary to send in the National Guard, but were refused.

  134. A ” large number of Capitol police officers ” have been injured according to the local Fox TV station.

    Thanks, Trumpers! MAGA!

    I guess that this was the rebellion against the tyranny that you kept yakking about

  135. Not so long ago, Troll said that peaceful protestors outside the White House should have been shot rather than tear-gassed, and claimed it was because AG Barr had a bottle thrown at him, rather than because Trump wanted a path cleared for a piss-poor publicity shot (although he could provide absolutely zero evidence of this).
    I wonder what he thinks should happen to these people? Is he one of these people!? (probably not, given his poor health!)

  136. I’m expecting the usual Constitution guff

    I’d be so ashamed to have any part of this movement, even if I wasn’t one of the rioters

  137. The instigator trying to cover his ass:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346912780700577792

    Some of these photos are incredible, guns drawn in the Senate. The manic euphoria of Trump supporters:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2020-55558355

  138. Yes, he let it run for a long time and now he pretends to be opposed to it.

    The events of today are his legacy

  139. phantom this was the scene at the capital building when BLM were protesting the live execution of a black man .. see the problem ?

  140. Here’s the debate in the Congress chamber at the moment the ructions came too close (time -1.52.00)

Comments are closed.