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“You can check out any time you like, but it’ll take three years to leave, a transition period and four years to get a deal”

The fine print will take time to pour over. Parliament and 27 countries will need to ratify it, but a deal is done. Maybe more, in fact. The Flanders parliament held up the EU/Canada trade deal for six months. They might need to win over the Utrecht dog catcher for this one.

The government is claiming victory. I’ll wait and see. The Tories are barely more trustworthy than the Chinese communists. But I think it’ll be ratified and I think this is it. If the claim that all the red lines held firm and that the key promises were met is true then it could have been worse.

Twenty years ago Brexit was a pipe dream. Now we are out and the transition period is days from expiring. Baron Farage of Agincourt, Lord of Brexit, is not too apoplectic (yet), so it might not be too bad –

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22 thoughts on “A DEAL IS DONE

  1. There is no point in talking about a media mooted deal until there is a published text to read and analyse.

  2. whose gonna bother reading the boring detail ? No tarrifs and No quotas is all that businesses were really interested in.

  3. In a statement, Taoiseach Micheál Martin welcomed the agreement.

    “From what we have heard today, I believe that it represents a good compromise and a balanced outcome,” he said.

    “It is more than four years since the UK decided to leave the EU in the 2016 referendum.

    “The journey since then has been a long and difficult one.

    “I have said many times, and will do so again today: though I respect it, I very much regret the decision.

    “The UK was an important member of the European Union, and Ireland and the UK frequently worked closely together on many EU issues,” he added

    Irish Independent

  4. […] until there is a published text to read and analyse

    Of course, had that been the deal from the beginning and Brexit had first been negotiated and the implications, impact & effects of Brexit been resented to vote on I suspect the referendum result would have been very different.

    On the face of it this is good news. The detail of the agreement should be interesting.

  5. You couldn’t possibly have had a deal negotiated before the vote

    The EU would have held all the cards in any such negotiation. They didn’t want the UK to leave.

    They would have sought to disincentivize Brexit by agreeing to as little as possible

    The Brexiteers didn’t do much thinking in advance, that’s certainly true though

  6. You couldn’t possibly have had a deal negotiated before the vote

    How often have you bought a car without kicking the tyres? Do you think it a good idea to agree to a commitment without seeing the terms & conditions?

  7. Back in 2016 at the time of the Referendum, the govt. should have laid out a detailed framework of what policy it would pursue in the event of a leave vote and then that same govt. led by that same PM (Cameron) should have delivered that. That way the electorate would have know what future relationship would be implemented in advance of making that decision and Cameron would have ahd to act on the consequences of the decision and not just walk away like a coward absolving himself of all responsibility for dealing with the outcome of what he had started.

  8. Reaction from Scotland:

    Nicola Sturgeon said Brexit was happening “against Scotland’s will” referring to Scotland’s EU referendum result where 62% voted to remain part of the European Union. She said no deal could make up for what “Brexit takes away from us”.

    She also said it was time for Scotland to “chart our own future as an independent European nation”. Since the announcement, calls for independence from the SNP have reverberated online

  9. I have purchased two used cars in my life.

    Each time, I entered the negotiation wanting to buy a car; each time, the seller wanted to sell a car. We met in the middle each time, giving each of us what we wanted

    In the hypothetical early negotiation spoken of, let’s just say that it would be as if the Brits wanted to buy a car that the EU didn’t want to sell.

    The EU had to negotiate seriously after the vote. Brexit was happening.

    Why would the EU negotiate seriously before if it would have led to a possible yes vote that they wanted to avoid?

    This thing was sloppy and no one thought it through enough, but the sides got there in a process that couldn’t have worked much differently. Let’s hope that it’s something that can stand up. England will be next to France and Ireland for a long time.

    Now, can let’s see what the UK looks like 25/years from now?

  10. As per usual that wasn’t the question.

    Are you in the habit of entering into a commitment without knowing the terms and conditions of the commitment? If so, give me $50,000 and I will give you some beans that will make any wish you wish come true.

  11. Phantom –

    This is the nonsense we’ve had to live with for four years. Remainers are people who tell a car salesman that they absolutely won’t leave the showroom until they’ve bought a car.

    What we’ve seen, if initial reports are true, is that the EU has buckled like never before because the UK would not budge on certain points. Macron made new demands on fishing a few days ago. The UK held its line. France and the EU had to give way because Germany and the UK pushed on. That kind of thing hasn;t happened before.

    The UK is not Greece.

  12. This was the only negotiation sequence that was ever possible.

    It’s not praising Brexit to say that.

  13. What we’ve seen, if initial reports are true, is that the EU has buckled like never before

    Pete

    I can see that you and others like you will be torn by this deal. On one side is the tribal urge to stick it to Johnny Foreigner and claim a five-nil win. But on the other side will be the siren voice of Farage and the lure of his “Brexit Betrayed!” schtick. It will be interesting to see which side wins out.

  14. This is the nonsense we’ve had to live with for four years.

    Really Pete? Maybe they should have just moved over to another circle? (an example of how the Brexit deal was sold).

    What we’ve seen, if initial reports are true

    The Government blowing its own trumpet on an anti-EU blog? I’ll wait to see the detail before I pass comment.

    It’s not praising Brexit to say that

    It’s nothing to do with praising Brexit. It’s simply a fact that the UK electorate were asked to vote on an issue which they had no idea of what the consequences and repercussions of it would be. It’s simply a statement of fact.

  15. It’s nothing to do with praising Brexit. It’s simply a fact that the UK electorate were asked to vote on an issue which they had no idea of what the consequences and repercussions of it would be.

    Nonsense. The Remain campaign hit us with a barrage of propaganda for months. It all turned out to be lies. They did their very best and we rejected them.

    I know you admire the punk spirit we showed. It’s just a pity you can’t bring yourself to admit it.

  16. Again Pete,

    Maybe they should have just moved over to another circle?

    Your personal contribution to the kind of lies balls Brexit was sold on.

  17. Surely some mistake?

    If this goes ahead it will be absolutely hilarious. Gibraltar, British Overseas Territory, to de facto join Schengen which means that those with UK black/blue passports will have to have them stamped at passport control while Euroweenies can sail through with seaport and airport access in Gibraltar to be controlled by Frontex officers reporting to Spanish authorities:

    https://english.elpais.com/brexit/2020-12-22/gibraltar-to-have-border-checks-for-uk-arrivals-not-for-spain-if-deal-is-clinched.html

    Magnificent, Gibraltar ‘taking back control’

  18. Indeed Noel, buyer’s regret.

    It’ll be interesting to see what the stats are like in 2025.

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