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I listened with resignation to two Morons Politicians as they danced on the heads of two pins while trying to tell us, the voters, what they would do for families in respect of married families allowances, tax credits, policies, Whatever! This discussion, or twin diatribe, was broadcast this morning on the BBC Today .

I honestly couldn’t decide which of the two, Labour’s Ed Balls, famous for ‘flipping his home three times to gain maximum leverage for theft from the taxpayer, or Tory David Willetts, equally infamous for claiming a total of £143,000 for ‘second home’ upkeep, as well as £100 for changing light bulbs; was the more pathetic.

Here we are, literally broke as a nation, with massive borrowing which must be repaid if we are to continue as a functioning unit; with a broken Government which is intent on spending and borrowing cash we don’t have, and they are arguing over who cares more for single parents, or widows, or people who haven’t got married!

These are the standard bearers of the two main Political parties which are asking us to either continue with Labour, or no-change with the Tories.

Based on the performance of Balls and Willetts, I’d rather go with the BNP. At least with Griffin’s mob, they have placed some policies worth arguing over, both on their website and in their publications. Nasty though their race policies may be, at least on other areas they sound as though they have an alternative, not just an Oxford Union debate where the opponents try and sneer each other out of the room.

So if not the BNP, where do we place our voting crosses? Wounded Labour, poseur Tory, pathetic Lib-Dem, or perhaps an Independent?

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36 thoughts on ““A plague o’ both your houses”

  1. Nasty though their race policies may be, at least on other areas they sound as though they have an alternative
    At the risk of raising Godwin’s law quite so early in the debate, isn’t that a bit like saying "Those National Socialists – ok their policy on Jews is a bit nasty, but heh, I love their ideas for the Sudetenland".

    I completely agree that their is a very real crisis in the body politic in this country and the expenses scandal was an awful indictment of the mentality of so many in the House. But the odious BNP is not – and never will be – the answer.
    And really, the cretinous BNP are not sound on other areas. Their ragtag of policies – and that is to give them more intellectual credit than they deserve – are laughable. I am all in favour of people reading their site – the more light that is shone on the vile BNP, the more they are shown up for what they truly are. Put the contemptible anti-Semite Griffin on QT every week I say. Give him enough rope and he, and the rest of his cronies, will do the job for you.
    If you think the other political parties are involved in an Oxford Union debate, intellectually the knuckle-dragging BNP haven’t even made it to a petty squabble on an infant playground.
    They are a thoroughly nasty, racist, homophobic, hate-filled rabble lead by a convicted criminal and holocaust denier. They are the latest manifestation of a particularly odious thread that has run throughout politics for ever – we can’t solve your problems, but we can give you someone else to blame for them. It isn’t your fault it is … theirs – that lot over there. Look how different they are – they are not like us with their skullcaps and temples burqas and mosques.
    They are the intellectual descendants of Germany’s National Socialists – only not as intellectual.

  2. I voted BNP in the Euros and my candidate got in.

    I have no complaints in what he has done so far and certainly he appears to have done more than most British Euro MPs in putting forward the intersts of this country.

    As for the race issue, seems to me that an awful lot of people who comment (or write?) on this blog, whilst definately not racist, certainly agree with the BNP stance on Islam.

    Don’t forget that profiling, despite the best attempts at obfuscation, is most definitely a form of discrimination based on one’s ethnic appearance.

  3. As a member of the BNP, I frequently attend meetings and the absence of the stereotypical ‘knuckle-dragger’ is immediately noteworthy. The ‘reluctance’ of a critic ike Jaz to bring up the spectre of nazism shows that the BNP’s opponents have no real arguments. Let’s take a closer look at Jaz’s review.

    Nick Griffin is attacked for being Nick Griffin and he has baggage which will prevent him from reaching the point of being an electoral asset. However, the totaitarian marxist baggage carried by the members of the present government is all the greater because they are in power and implementing their dire policies on the indigenous people. Jack Straw actually did state that the English are not worth saving as a race, and Labour is holding the doors open to let in as many people from the 3rd-world as possible. Quite as to how the most accomplished group (the British) within the most accomplished race (white Europeans) can be improved by millions of Africans and muslims from evidently failed countries has not been explained, although leftist perversity is certainly involved.
    The BNP’s economic policies are and must be the opposite of those pursued by Labour because of where we are now – utterly bankrupt with no industrial base to get us out of the mire. As always, whenever tariffs on imports and restrictions of immigration are mentioned, ‘protectionism’ is brought out as the bogey-man, but where are we now? We must impose protective measures in order to re-start industry in this country and the British market must preferably support British products and Britsh jobs and workers.
    The BNP ‘denies’ man-made global warming and rejects its tax and surveillance burden on people who are already hard-pressed enough.
    On visiting the BNP’s website, one will read of sensible policies which will put British people first in Britain, and why not? I have no problems whatsoever with China putting its own people first. After all, that is what a nation state is for.
    Jaz’s incoherent rant is the measure of the opposition to the BNP.

  4. Allan,

    " I frequently attend meetings and the absence of the stereotypical ‘knuckle-dragger’ immediately noteworthy"

    You contradict yourself.

  5. For me, the overwhelming need to vote Labour out approaches the level of a national emergency, and it vastly overshadows the potential merits of whichever party I may choose to vote in right now. Therefore, knowing that British politics remains by and large a two-horse race, and not wishing to grant Labour any possible means of retaining power via some sort of coalition deal, I shall vote Conservative, and hope (against hope?) that "Call me Dave’s" lot turn out to be at least a bit more conservative than they dare mention right now.

  6. Jaz uses all the old and tired arguments against the BNP. I voted for them in the Euro elections and I shall vote for them again in the General Election. I know what I like and I know what I don’t like and I know what is bringing this country to ruins. The BNP are the only Party who are prepared to speak the truth on the issues that are responsible for our downfall as a nation.

    Jaz, you are so ‘hate-filled’ you can’t see the wood for the trees. And talking about convicted criminals, have you never heard of Jeffrey Archer? Plus of course practically the whole of Parliament – not convicted perhaps but certainly guilty.

    I am not a member of the party (yet), but I admire those who are willing to stand up and be counted and I hope to see them do well in the coming months. Oh yes, and I’ve still not seen those ‘knuckle-draggers’ – a worn out description used by those who can think of nothing other than bad to say about them.

  7. Jaz –

    Sure, but most of the Cabinet and half of the Parliamentary Labour Party are communists or ex-communists. This puts them on no higher moral plane than any national socialist.

    Where were you when the self-described Stalinist Jack Straw stated that the English are not worth saving?

    Tell you what, how’s about muslims and homos aren’t worth saving? You’d run around like your hair’s on fire, but true communist scum sticking it to the ancient and indigenous people of this country, while serving in a treasonous regime which serves foreign political masters, well that’s just fine isn’t it? You’ve always got jack shit to say about that kind of thing eh?

  8. Mike Cunningham –

    It does not matter who you vote for as long as it’s a patriotic vote in favour of the indigenous people of these islands.

  9. Just watched the film "Shoah" on TV tonight and then checked out ATW to find Pete Moore telling us the British Labour Party is as bad as the Nazis.

  10. Right, Pete tells people to vote in favour of the indigenous people of Britain, of which he isn’t a member of.

  11. Transferred nationalism is strongest, Seamus. Orwell wrote about it. Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, De Valera, Andrew, Pete Moore……

  12. Stereotypical ‘knuckle-dragger’
    Here are a couple just to start you off. Terence Gavan – BNP member Jailed for 11 years for firearms charges. Richard Barnbrook – lied about murders taking place in Barking & Dagenham in order to whip up fear of "knife crime" in the borough.
    Colin Smith, BNP South East London organiser – convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assault.
    Kevin Scott, the BNP’s North East regional organiser, assault.
    Joe Owens, Griffin’s ex-bodyguard, was sent down for sending razor blades to Jewish people
    Griffin himself with a criminal record.
    Not too hard to find many, many more.

    Jack Straw actually did state that the English are not worth saving as a race
    So is often repeated on the more – how shall we put it – vigorous rightwing blogs – yet I have yet to see an authoritative source. If you can show me where he said that I will be perfectly willing to believe it.

    We must impose protective measures in order to re-start industry in this country and the British market must preferably support British products and Britsh jobs and workers.
    So a British computer industry, a British Microsoft? A British Google? Or perhaps, I don’t know take your pick – a British watch-making industry? Or perhaps a British Boeing?
    So let’s say the BNP get in and implement this policy. Up go trade barriers. So prices of imported raw materials go up – so prices in shops go up – or companies go bust – one or the other. So inflation goes up. And since we are no longer exporting anything – oh and we have nationalised foreign firms in the UK – then foreign investment in the UK collapses. It is laughably pathetic.

    shows that the BNP’s opponents have no real arguments
    You are joking. Spoiled for choice more like – just take a policy and a 6th former could tear it to pieces. Let’s take defence – they want to "produce all our weaponry in Britain." The skills do not exist in this country. Sure we can develop them – but it will take 30 years, will cost a fortune (Why do you think we collaborate on major weapons deals?) and what do we do in the meantime – back to Spitfires and longbows?

    Or here are some taken totally at random
    Replace 100,000 NHS bureaucrats with doctors, nurses and dentists – so never mind about actually running the service, lets use highly trained and expensive staff to run the office;
    Invest sufficient money in the NHS to provide a decent service to the British people – blank cheque anyone?;
    The reintroduction of grammar schools with entrance exams at 11 and 13 – so reducing social mobility;
    The socialist building block housing concrete monstrosities … will be torn down and replaced with decent housing which encourages the stable family unit. – can I add a bit more onto that blank cheque?
    Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. And why would they want to trade with us and our prohibitively expensive goods?

    … and so on and so on and so on. It would be funny were it not for the sickening undercurrent of hatred. They are a rag tag of ill-thought out, uncosted populist claptrap full of throw away lines like "fight against political correctness" designed to appeal to their cretinous followers, who really don’t give a f*** about all this and all they care is getting rid of darkies.

    The essence of the BNP’s infantile policies is to put up the drawbridge and retreat from the world. A bit like North Korea – and that is a great place.

    What is most telling is that you don’t even bother to try to refute the main argument against the BNP – that they are a bunch of anti-Semites and racists.

  13. Pete Moore – you sound rather testy this evening.
    Where were you when the self-described Stalinist Jack Straw stated that the English are not worth saving?

    If he ever actually said it (and is he really a self-described Stalinist? Would like to see that reference), then maybe it was while I was serving in the British Army actually defending them – with a gun and that sort of thing – and being shot at. What about you? Apart from talking about it, what have you actually done?

    Tell you what, how’s about muslims and homos aren’t worth saving? You’d run around like your hair’s on fire,
    Would that I still had some to burn…

    As I already said, I do think the English are a race worth defending. That was why I had a commission in the British Army – to defend the muslims and homos – and everyone else as well – including the racist BNP, oh and you. But you don’t have to thank me – it’s part of the service.

    Mike Cunningham –
    It does not matter who you vote for as long as it’s going to make this country a better place for all of its citizens – not just a section of them.

  14. Noel Cunningham –

    The Labour Party today is an alliance of Stalinists and Trots. Yes, they are on the same moral plane as national socialists. What, no Labour holocaust you say? Well, there’s no BNP holocaust yet that stops no Leftist trash describing the BNP as Nazis.

    Seamus –

    My father is an Anglo Saxon protestant.

  15. >>there’s no BNP holocaust yet that stops no Leftist trash describing the BNP as Nazis. <<

    What then does that make a Rightist describing the Labour Party as Nazis?

  16. That’s a fair enough point, Noel. A more appropriate term for Labour might be the "Nazi Masochist Party", if such an historic comparison existed. (As if Hitler, instead of hating the Jews, had hated his own people instead, and had wanted to see his country overrun by aliens. That’s Labour – the Nazis but in reverse gear).

  17. Seamus –

    My mother is Irish. I’m rightly proud of my Irish ancestry. Today’s Irish quislings can know that while they prefer to be ruled by the Frogs and the Huns, at least their ancestors are remarkable. However the fact is my father is an Anglo Saxon protestant, I was born and raised in England and I am both English and British.

    Noel Cunningham –

    Who likened the Labour Party to the Nazi Party. I described it (correctly) as an alliance of Stalinists and Trots. The modern history of the party clearly bears this out.

  18. >>Who likened the Labour Party to the Nazi Party.<<

    You did. You said – twice – that Labour is on the same moral level as the Nazis.

    You too, Tom?

    Hard to imagine how after 50 odd years of wall to wall coverage of that era of murderous violence some otherwise intelligent people can still play it down for political effect.

    But where’s that puzzle, Tom?

  19. Leftist trash describing the BNP as Nazis.
    As a proud card-carrying member of the "Leftist trash" the reason for comparing the BNP to the Nazis is they are the political descendants. Their race-based policy is the modern equivalent. I am not suggesting they wish to slaughter Muslims – at least I don’t think they do – but their policies on repatriation and just simply on dividing the population on racial grounds is a direct echo of the policies of the National Socialist party.
    The Labour party, on the other hand, do not seek to segregate or repatriate. They do not have policies that divide according to race – indeed they have brought in a raft of legislation (almost certainly too much legislation) seeking to reduce discrimination – not exacerbate it.
    If you are going to argue they are the political descendants of Stalin’s Soviet Union – and seek to establish some moral equivalency between the BNP and the Labour Party then I would be interested to hear such an argument.
    As for your suggestion that the Labour Party is an alliance of Stalinists and Trots I don’t know. There are plenty of people who were Communists – but that doesn’t make you either a Stalinist or a Trot – and a huge number who would be very pleased to describe themselves as socialists.

  20. I refer to Hitler’s policies and ideology, his intent, rather than the murderous realisation thereof.

    Puzzle: Read the comments in an upwards order (latest first), starting from 19:14, as if gazing on the thread for the first time (which is the way I first read the thread). Frank’s comment is the puzzle. Several possible conclusions, none of which make immediate sense without requiring some further explanation.

  21. Pete,

    "Where were you when the self-described Stalinist Jack Straw stated that the English are not worth saving?"

    More to the point, where was he when he said it?

    A quick search reveals plenty of this allegation (can anyone guess by whom? sometimes the English become ‘the British’), but no source.

  22. "My mother is Irish. I’m rightly proud of my Irish ancestry. Today’s Irish quislings can know that while they prefer to be ruled by the Frogs and the Huns, at least their ancestors are remarkable. However the fact is my father is an Anglo Saxon protestant, I was born and raised in England and I am both English and British."

    Your comment about quislings could also apply to those who won’t be ruled by Hugenots and Planters, but that would be rude of me.

    I, personally, believe that you are both English and British. However, you have immigrant blood in you. You are not fully indegionous. If you have to be an indegionous Britain to be allowed in the BNP’s Britain then a little half cast like yourself might be thrown out as well.

  23. Likening Labour to nazis isn’t far out when the history of their intellectual driving force, the Fabian Society, is considered. Read this and then read what follows. If you’re a leftist apologist for Labour’s political clique, try to engage.

    Fabians Forget the History of their Evil Cause

    The politicians of the ’30’s and 40’s excluding Churchill attempted to distance themselves from the appeasement which allowed the rise of Hitler. They all said "we couldn’t have known" etc but that is a lie. Hiter’s book in which he laid out his intentions is not actually the unreadable dirge that it’s made out to be. In that book, Mein Kampf, Hitler lucidly explains his intentions towards the world, what he will do and how he will do it. There was no excuse because the manifesto was written. It’s simply that Hitler wasn’t taken seriously because the political classes in Britain AND pre-nazi Germany thought that Hitler was like them and could become part of the Establishment. But Mein Kampf, like the koran, was clear in its ideology.
    Today’s Labour politicians have Trotsky, Marx and Stalin running through their veins. When Alistair Darling, Jack Straw, John Reid, Gordon Brown, David Blunkett et al were doing their marxist thing at University or in the unions, it was already known that millions had been murdered in the name of the ideology which they adhered to. They already knew of the Holocausts in the Ukraine, the Katyn massacre, the rape of eastern Germany, the gulags. Yet they became marxists.
    And now and of our time, Jack Straw has said that the English are not worth saving as a race. None of his colleagues has repudiated that statement.

  24. To elaborate on "the puzzle":
    Either Frank is a very fast typist, so fast that he found it quicker to manually retype the quote from Allan rather than copy/paste. Which is fine, except that (a) I’m not used to seeing syntax errors in Frank’s posts, and (b) furthermore, when one’s whole point is to call the quotee a ‘knuckle-dragger’, then if you’re going to speed-type the quote, then you’d better make sure it’s word-perfect, or else it’s you that will look like the knuckle-dragger! This is probably the easiest explanation, a simple manual slip-up, but it’s out of character for Frank.
    Or else…Frank did copy/paste. But try as I might, no matter what I do with the mouse, I cannot get it to highlight the quote but omit the word "is" from the original text. I would have to edit the word out, after pasting.
    OK, let’s try this: Allan posts his comment, and it is (at first) as Frank copied it. Frank sees the post, moments after its publication, and copies the quote, but then, before pasting it, goes away and has his supper, or whatever. Minutes later, Allan spots his error, and within the 15-minute editing window, corrects the sentence. Later, Frank returns and hits ‘paste’. That could work.
    Or, Frank copies/pastes, quickly re-reads the sentence and mistakenly thinks that Allan’s word "is", is itself a grammatical error, and, not wishing to rub it in by repeating it, so to speak, kindly deletes the word, thinking that this improves the syntax.

    It’s totally irrelevant to the thread, but I spotted it, and it’s a puzzle!

  25. Tom,

    Let me solve that for you…actually it was two copy/pastes as I’d missed the second bit the first go around. My excuse is that I was on a packed commuter train at the time – balancing a laptop on my bag on my knee, plus being interrupted during the process by people trying to get off at their stop 🙂

    I did wonder about the syntax actually but just figured the typo had been there in Allan’s original.

  26. Many thanks, Frank, now I can sleep soundly tonight. And a valuable lesson to me: Just when I think I am considering all possibilities, I am shown at a stroke how much more I still need to develop my thinking.
    At least, in mitigation, I suppose I was right to say that further explanation was required, on the face of it.

  27. Tom, I’d seen it but the post wasn’t worth a comment as it didn’t engage on the matter under discussion, so I didn’t comment on it.

    On the issue of the BNP ‘knuckle-dragger’, these people must have voted for some party in previous elections. There are many people in this country who vote Labour "because my dad voted Labour and his dad before him" etc, as a sheep goes to a dip just as its parents before it etc. But the ‘knuckle-dragger’ isn’t going to the dip any longer because he/she has actually thought about which party he/she should vote for and why. Thinking is not what ‘knuckle-draggers’ are supposed to do yet obviously, this is what the BNP’s voters have done. Not only that, but there is an element of risk to the BNP-supporter’s livelihood especially if he/she works in the public sector so going public as a BNP-supporter has an element of courage.
    There are knuckle-draggers in this country but they aren’t the BNP’s supporters. The knuckle-draggers are the millions of people who will vote Labour and Conservative because ‘it’s what my dad(dy) did and his dad(dy) before him’ etc etc.

  28. Allan,

    "On the issue of the BNP ‘knuckle-dragger’, these people must have voted for some party in previous elections. "

    No Allan, that is not true. It is not compulsory to vote for any party.

    "Thinking is not what ‘knuckle-draggers’ are supposed to do yet obviously, this is what the BNP’s voters have done."

    Not if you are typical.

    You sound more like the stereotypical knuckle-dragging racist BNP supporter to me.

  29. Noel

    First of all I’d appreciate the likes of yourself not aiming petty insults at me, especially on a thread I haven’t even contributed to heretofore. A nationalist ideology existed in your own country, which spawned incarnation after incarnation of IRA terrorists, the last of which was responsible for nearly 2,000 deaths. Thus, I suggest it’s somewhat rich for an Irishman to lampoon or criticise the nationalist tendencies of others.

    Secondly, my ancestors originated in Scotland and Northern Ireland. As both are part and parcel of the UK, I contend that there is nothing ‘transferable’ about my nationality or my patriotism.

  30. And Frank, your inabiity to engage in the arguments – and you haven’t discussed a single point of policy – marks you out as no better than a sheep as in Animal Farm: four legs good, two legs baaaad etc racist, fascist, knuckle-dragger etc.

    For example, when I wrote "must have voted for some party in previous elections", I was not opening a discussion on whether voting is compulsory but it was merely a supposition on my part. Whether a BNP supporter voted in a previous election is not the issue but the fact of actually voting BNP as opposed to previous or even no previous allegiance means that the BNP voter has taken time to think about who he/she is voting for, and why. I also said that there is an element of risk to the BNP voter/supporter which, as you know, is a matter of fact hence there being a corresponding element of courage when declaring one’s support for the BNP. Again, you don’t discuss this important point so I’ll assume your concurence. After all, if you found anything with which you disagree, you woud have written it.
    Pity about last night’s little faux pas. Did you accidentally drag your knuckle across the keyboard?

  31. going public as a BNP-supporter has an element of courage
    Courage? No – courage is fighting in Afghanistan. Courage is being a fire fighter or a policeman. Joining a racist rabble is not an act of courage.

  32. Courage is indeed fighting in Afghanistan or being a fireman – maybe not so much a police officer these days as health’n’safety doesn’t allow them to risk themselves. By chance(?), none of these are allowed to be members of the BNP so the very fact of any policeman or fireman, soldier etc becoming a supporter of the BNP does involve the risk of losing one’s livelihood. (Special note for special Jaz – ‘element’ of courage is in no way comparable to courage as displayed by our soldiers)

    Straw said that "the English aren’t worth saving as a race" to a meeting of a left-wing pressure group (the Fabian Society – see my post of Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 10:39PM on the evil of this scum). The statement was not recorded as there are no public minutes from such meetings hence Straw’s treasonous candour, but he has not denied nor disputed the veracity of the attributed quotation. Interestingly, he wasn’t sacked nor disciplined by Blair.

  33. Allan,

    "For example, when I wrote "must have voted for some party in previous elections", I was not opening a discussion on whether voting is compulsory but it was merely a supposition on my part"

    An incorrect one.

    So at best you demonstrate that if BNP supporters do indeed "think", as you claim, they’re not very good at it.

    "After all, if you found anything with which you disagree, you woud have written it."

    Another incorrect supposition on your part. Life is too short to write a rebuttal to every piece of crap you post.

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