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Listening to the BBC Today Programme, I counted ten news references, comments, short obits, clips from recordings; all about or made by this singer called Lou Reed. Never having heard of this bloke, as I moved past what is laughingly called his ‘music’ rather a long time ago, I was stunned to hear of the major influence on all modern ‘pop’ artists from this ‘legend’ We heard a few recorded words from the ‘Great One’, and we were presumably invited to worship at the memory of this ‘giant’ of the popular music era.

Strange, is it not, that not one reference was made to his ‘ultra-exuberant life-style’ fuelled by the most bizzarre mixtures of banned substances, which culminated in his liver transplant operation, as that organ had finally succumbed to decades of substance abuse. The truly amazing thing about this fool is that his body managed to exist as long as it did.

But there again, that is what our very own Public Broadcasting Service has become, an apologist for every excess known to man, and a few others besides.

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46 thoughts on “An alternative view

  1. his music held a niche, and actually produced some decent songs. As a person with most musicians he was a drug addict.

    I have no problem enjoying someones art even if they themselves are an asshole. What bothers me is when people give these people weight when they talk politics or anything outside of their art.

    If your a musician give us music, if your an actor give us films, other than that I don’t want to hear from them for the very reasons that you state.

    That does not mean we can’t enjoy the work that made them known.

  2. If your a musician give us music, if your an actor give us films

    If you’re a gun sales assistant, give us guns. Other than that I don’t want to hear from you.

  3. what you want is of no consequence. nor does my not wanting to hear the political views of some “star”.

    Besides if I did all gun posts, you’d go crazy.

  4. hah That’s true actually, Troll. But you understand my point: it’s hypocritical to demand other be only one thing – i.e. a musician – while being multiple things yourself. Lou Reed was as entitled to comment on politics as any of us.

  5. I didn’t ” get ” his music at all, any more than I got the music of Zappa or Astral Weeks or the art of Warhol, stuff that some think you’re supposed to like if you’re going to swim with the trendies.

    I’m sorry that he ruined his life and health with drug and alcohol abuse.

    Drugs, and alcohol abuse, kills.

  6. He made a small number of good songs. He lived his life how he wanted to and now he is no more. All the rest is pretentious or sanctimonious hype.

  7. stuff that some think you’re supposed to like if you’re going to swim with the trendies.

    Anyone who thinks any is supposed to like anything is a clown. While he’s never been one of my favourites, I’ve liked some of his stuff (the weirder stuff actually) a lot. Zappa I’m not hugely familiar with, Astral Weeks is a thing of great beauty.

  8. Half the world thinks that if you don’t like certain music, certain foods, certain beers, certain books or films, that it’s not that you have different taste, but that you’re a clod.

    Its always been like that.

  9. Astral Weeks is very much a product of the Irish literary tradition. It’s not like I Want to Hold Your Hand – which is also magnificent in its own way. It is an album that grew on me over many years; I first bought it when I was about 12 years old and didn’t know what to make of it.

  10. You’re right Phantom, but it’s BS.

    I love Bob Dylan, yet I know many people who are very serious about music who are entirely unmoved by Dylan. Music is very subjective.

  11. I don’t generally listen to Dylan, but I recognize the early Dylan as a serious genius and truth teller.

    He’s another who IMO has sinned against his talent by the use of drugs.

  12. sinned

    Yes, I think you said he’d kick his ass up and down 42nd Street, or something, if you ever met him!

    My attitude is, it’s his life.

  13. It is, and it was his sin.

    That line supposedly came from Lenny Bruce’s manager. He told Tony Bennett, years back, that Bruce had ” sinned against his talent “.

    Bennett was very moved by that comment. He subsequently stopped his own use of dangerous drugs, and, is still strong and vibrant and happy and performing, well into his eighties.

  14. Absolutely agree, Mike Cunningham.
    One or two of his songs I recognise, but couldn’t possibly put his name to either of them.

    I notice that even the world famous concert pianist Stephen Hough feels compelled to write a ‘eulogy’ about him.
    Phufft.

  15. As far as the opinions of rock stars on politics go, I’ll vote with Alice Cooper:

    “If you’re listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you’re a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we’re morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal.”

    Not that rock stars shouldn’t have opinions, but their substance-oriented activities would surely reduce their capacities for thinking – apart from Alice Cooper.

  16. The truth is Mike never forgave Lou Reed for lending his voice to the anti-apartheid Sun City song.

    Many artists have self destructive tendencies, and it isn’t limited to rock & roll or even modern times. Classical composers, painters, writers and others. So long as we aren’t celebrating them for being self-destructive then I think we can acknowledge the work itself.

  17. A tip of the hat to Alice Cooper!

    I think that quote may have been by Montague Norman, former head of the Bank of England.

  18. Lou Reed wrote very many great songs, and was a great performer and musician.

    //if your an actor give us films, other than that I don’t want to hear from them for the very reasons that you state//

    Are you not the same man that put up some John Wayne link with his social/political views only a few days ago; you know, one of the things that none of us was supposed to understand?

  19. London road trip before the end of year a possibility, lads

    Where is Agie these days? I hope he is well and happy.

  20. Is there something you guys know that I don’t?

    I sincerely hope he is well. He has taken breaks before.

  21. He’s not a spring chicken, an he has spoken of being in not the best health.

    I don’t think that anyone knows anything good or bad beyond that.

    Hopefully he will be back doing combat with us soon.

  22. Agit, I do believe got into a bit of tit-for tat with one of the ladies on ATW, I think he got rather upset because he had apparently caused some offence .. and off he went into the sunset.

    I hope he is keeping well.

    Agit, just in case you are keeping tabs, you are sorely missed my freind

  23. Yes I hope to see him back here telling me how shallow I am and how I’ve never properly explained by philosophy on life to him!

  24. //Agit, I do believe got into a bit of tit-for tat with one of the ladies on ATW, I think he got rather upset because he had apparently caused some offence //

    Who was that? Pinky?

  25. I do believe it might have been Noel, Agit did appear by his last posts that he was very upset about the ensuing tit-for-tat, and the last post I read, He was going to have a word with David, and then that was that.

    I was following the argument, and to be honest I could not make head nor tail of any of it, no offence was given by Agit but plenty was taken.

    Shame, I had a lot of time and respect for the man.

  26. Agit had a propensity for writing something off the wall about various folks and then digging himself further into the hole he made. Those instances became more frequent until he seems to have ridden off into the sunset. Via Con Dios.

  27. He also had moments of positive contribution, but I think got too caught up in the personal give and take.

  28. //I do believe it might have been Noel//

    I was only joking about someone like Pinky “taking offence” at what someone like Agit8ed could have said.

  29. Noel Cunningham, on October 28th, 2013 at 7:47 PM Said:
    //I do believe it might have been Noel//

    I was only joking about someone like Pinky “taking offence” at what someone like Agit8ed could have said.

    I dont think it was Agit who said anything actually, it just might have been the communion wine … and lots of it 😉

  30. “Never having heard of this bloke . . . ”

    I think he would have been quite happy to have heard that. ;o)

    Whatever

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