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…and everyone in the bars shows their respect.  Get this;

 

A new Channel 4 comedy series which depicts London’s Irish population as binge-drinking, English-haters suffering from a permanent hangover has been accused of “racism” by members of the community.

Oh no! The sheer HORROR… do read on….

Due to air in September, London Irish is about “a hard-drinking, hard-living ex-pat community of Northern Irish twenty-somethings who live in London”. The synopsis says: “For these four friends it’s not easy navigating their way through London life, particularly when they’re too drunk to know where they’re going, or remember where they’ve been.”  “They have sh*t jobs, no money, and are surrounded by English people. In fact there’s only one thing worse than living in London with the English. And that’s living in Ireland with the Irish.”

Now THAT seems quite balanced to me but not to all, evidently!

“Members of London’s Irish community have already rounded on the show. Pádraic Graham ‏tweeted: “Sounds like something Alan Partridge dreamed up. Are they going to include us planting bombs & Tarmacing driveways too?”

And BEST of all..

Kate Bones wrote: “I’m shocked the writer is Irish. We need to move on from old cliches & stereotypes. This is backwards. Tell a real story!”

Hah – so an IRISH writer is ..erm..racist against the Irish. O’blimey!

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79 thoughts on “AN IRISHMAN WALKS INTO A BAR…

  1. This is an outrageous slur against the Irish, and… what? Really? Northern Irish you say… Okay, continue…

  2. If it’s well written, funny and good natured then the fact that it may be stereotypical is acceptable. Besides, it’s about a group of individuals not an entire nation. The show Shameless isn’t regarded as a slur on all English folk so why should this comedy however it pans out be regarded as representative of all Irish people ?

  3. Quite right Colm.
    A sign of maturity is being able to laugh at yourself.
    A sign of wisdom is doing it before others do.
    English people can be pompous, smug and arrogant.
    If it’s true, why deny it?

  4. ‘English people can be pompous, smug and arrogant.’

    Anal, boorish, boring, uncultured, war mongering, living in the past

  5. Too true, smcgiff.
    I am sometimes ashamed to be English. But then up pops someone like Jonny Wilkinson, our Queen, Laurence Dallaglio, Quentin Letts, Joanna Lumley, Margaret Thatcher, Iain Duncan Smith, Frank Field, Ken Dodd…..

  6. Hah – so an IRISH writer is ..erm..racist against the Irish. O’blimey!

    Probably one of those self – loathing Irish, like those self – loathing Jews that you speak of when talking about actual Jews & Israelis who disagree with Zionism.

    I’ve heard those self – loathing Irish derogitively referred to as ‘west Brits’ in the past. Just think of Ruth – Dudley Edwards.

  7. I read a book by Ruth Dudley Edwards once about Orangemen. It was so ludicrously biased it read almost like a caricature of itself.

  8. When Father Ted came out it got accused of racism and there was this discussion on Channel 4 between an irate English woman complaining about how it demeaned and stereotyped the Irish to the bemused Irish writers of the show.

  9. Personally I believe that “self hating Jews”, “West Brits” and “Uncle Toms” are all rhetorical strategies to use tribal tub thumping to stifle free thinking and stop people examining their own group critically.

  10. Paul makes a good point though. I wonder what David’s reaction would be to an Israeli comedy written by Liberal Jews that portrayed a Settler community in the West bank as Palestinian loathing religious supremacists ?

  11. I think that if Ted demeaned anything Ross it was the Catholic Church.

    Probably my favourite Ted clip:

  12. Maybe London Irish should be based on the rugby club of the same name- and have all the characters played by South Africans.

  13. Ross,

    There’s a difference to examining your ‘own group’ critically, ( I do it constantly) and obsequiousness.

    Malacahi O’Docherty is a good example of the former and Ruth Dudley – Edwards the latter.

  14. Well, when you mention Ruth Dudley–Edwards, then the picture of an Irish drunk puking into a toilet is all too apt.
    I think this is a good idea; who doesn’t enjoy Irish jokes, whether told by an Englishman or, better, and Irishman.

    As it is, the only Irish person we all know who is living in London and from the North is Aileen, and we should accordingly await her judgement.

  15. “and we should accordingly await her judgement..

    Noel, you make Aileen sound like the first female Pope 😉

  16. Reminds me of the Irish Voice (or Echo I can’t recall) complaining about some show showing Irish people (leprechuans mind you) getting drunk. A letter to the Editor pointed out that half the ads in the paper itself were of bars.

    I don’t mind and even enjoy ethnic humor when it is smart and funny. Usually it is funniest when done by members of the particular group (Allan Sherman, Richard Pryor, etc.).

  17. I lived in London in the mid eighties and there was a fair bit of this amongst the younger Irish community there along with a fair bit of academic study, building site banter and head hunting by employers looking for good young professionals.

    In short, the Irish community in Eighties London consisted of all types. I personally am looking forward to seeing the series although to focus on only one aspect of the London Irish is a bit unfair. A bit like saying that Hugh Grant is representative of the typical Englishman.

  18. Is this the RDE fan club? Who would read a book by ruth only someone with lots of time to waste 😉 thx for highlighting the show I’ll look. Out for it, hope its like give my head some peace. Note bbc ni has given up on local humour so this is welcome, as demographics in belfast have changed so much it’s hard to get local humour could be why it’s so well supported, I couldn’t get tickets for the ‘sweetie bottle’ for love nor money. I do hope there’s a Derry wan in this Chanel4 show!

  19. I don’t mind and even enjoy ethnic humor when it is smart and funny

    Couldn’t agree more. This, done by Manchester – Irish comedian Steve Coogan, is hilairious.

  20. A disproportionate number of the Irish are heavy drinkers. This became a stereotype because there is truth in it.

  21. RDE fanclub ?

    Kateyo, in case you hadn’t noticed there hasn’t been one pro RDE comment on this thread !

  22. Phantom/Agit8ed

    There’s no need to be ashamed. She’s not a Pulitzer prize winning world famous acclaimed journalist. She’s a run of the mill Irish writer who is more famous for her intently Pro-unionist sensibilities than the quality of her writing.

  23. Petr,
    TOTALLY off topic, but I found this documentary and wondered if you as a champion of the masses might have an opinion on it. Like, WHY?? Why would you do that stuff?
    I couldn’t watch the whole thing.

  24. I don’t know who Ruth Dudley Edwards is.
    Should it worry me?

    Worry you? Count yourself lucky Agi!

  25. Er that was in response to Paul’s comment, not David’s.

    Actually in all seriousness I think it’s good within journalism to have writers demonstrating a sympathetic attitude towards ‘opposing’ communities as in the Northern Irish situation and I did actually enjoy reading ‘The faithful Tribe’ I think it was called – but it was completely over the top in it’s favourable v unfavourable attitudes to the 2 communities.

  26. Ruth Dudley Edwards is one of my friends

    I was waiting to see how long it would take you David 😉

  27. I am just glad you did not mention in the post any Irishmen who were lets say ‘dark skinned gentleman’ the lefties would have gone all self-righteous (again) and apoplectic (again) 😉

  28. Yeah Harri. ‘Cos self righteousness and apoplexy is the sole domain of the lefties on atw.

  29. Been a tad busy Agit, because of this ..

    .Bentley may build new luxury off-roader in Bratislava rather than Britain.

    Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2295868/Bentley-build-new-model-Bratislava-Britain.html#ixzz2ONR1Dqi7
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    Mind you I have been reading the posts and comments and it keeps me more than amused reading all the self-righteous indignation from the lefties ..

    Reference this ..

    De Camp town races….Doo, Dah, Dey
    By Mike Cunningham On March 22nd, 2013 at 12:29 am

    What gives the self-righteous indignant lefties the right to be ‘offended’ on another races behalf without their permission is to be honest utterly disgracefull .. these people are not their personal pets to use to gain some extra righteous points, they are human beings.

    The warped and twisted minds of the left.

  30. Paul McMahon, on March 23rd, 2013 at 3:29 PM Said:
    Yeah Harri. ‘Cos self righteousness and apoplexy is the sole domain of the lefties on atw.

    They do appear to have the monopoly on that one.

  31. They do appear to have the monopoly on that one

    Perhaps, but only in rightworld.

  32. Agit ..

    Oh and there is no ‘maybe’ about it, it will be built in Bratislava.

    Forget all the waffle the so called misinformation media MSM might inform anyone.

  33. What gives the self-righteous indignant lefties the right to be ‘offended’ on another races behalf without their permission is to be honest utterly disgracefull .. these people are not their personal pets to use to gain some extra righteous points, they are human beings.
    The warped and twisted minds of the left.

    Human beings? No no. They’re simians according to Allan. Do you disagree with the wise sage from Aberdeen.

    What makes you think anyone got offended on anyone else’s behalf? Personally, I find racism abhorrent regardless of my own colour.

  34. That would be Jordon ?

    You see, that’s the original line, Jordon.. but you are a leftie and absoluttely obsessed with anything African 😉

  35. What makes you think anyone got offended on anyone else’s behalf?

    I read the posts.

    Personally, I find racism abhorrent regardless of my own colour

    Good for you.

  36. Petr

    I noted that someone labelled the English as arrogant to name a few other derogatory terms.. i did not see you rushing to stend in solidarity with the English 😉

  37. You see, that’s the original line, Jordon.. but you are a leftie and absoluttely obsessed with anything African

    Touché 🙂

  38. I noted that someone labelled the English as arrogant to name a few other derogatory terms

    Bit difficult to argue against that as it was an Englishman that said it?

  39. Laugh .. I nearly died reading some of the posts reference the ‘Africans’ you know the ones, the ones in Mikes posts who apparently do not have the intelligence or the whereabouts to actualy speak out for themselves, I thought what would the lefties do if those ‘Dark skinned gentleman’ turn out and just happen to be Black … and English 😉

    Apoplexy would not even come close.

    If the lefties are that desperate to have their onw personal little pets … buy a dog 😉

  40. Bit difficult to argue against that as it was an Englishman that said it?

    Irrelevant who said it, Black men and Black women call themselves ‘Niggers’ all the time .. why they even sing about in rap songs and suck-likes .. but when someone else uses the term .. well apoplexy from the lefties resumes.

    RIP Tupac 😉

  41. Sigh .. Suck-likes ?

    Ho hum * such likes

    Note to self .. slow down, eyes not what they used to be.

  42. It’s irrelevant who said it

    No it’s not. It’s not my personal opinion that the English as a people are arrogant but if one of them wants to be self effacing who am I to argue against it?

  43. No it’s not. It’s not my personal opinion that the English as a people are arrogant but if one of them wants to be self effacing who am I to argue against it?

    Which in itself is more than a tad ironic seeming apparantly us English are a mongrel Nation (according to the BBC) and David Attenborough and Co .. we all originated in … Africa 😉

    Now would be good time to faint, or quit whilst you are still behind 😉

  44. Which in itself is more than a tad ironic seeming apparantly us English are a mongrel Nation

    Nice straw man. What relevance has that got to do with the assumption that the English are arrogant?

    I take it you are a proud British man then?

    I don’t know, I’m not British.

  45. Nice straw man. What relevance has that got to do with the assumption that the English are arrogant?

    I don’t see many Englishman on here getting all worked up and taking offence on someone else’s behalf without their permission .. that’s arrogance of the highest order .. what gives you the right to do that if it’s not arrogance

    Oh the irony.

  46. I don’t see many Englishman on here getting all worked up and taking offence on someone else’s behalf without their permission .. that’s arrogance of the highest order .. what gives you the right to do that if it’s not arrogance

    Harri, you’re all over the place on this one. Firstly, this thread is about the Irish, of which I’m one. You then complain about people not defending the English regarding comments made by one of them, when you were deflated on that one you then accuse me of being arrogant by taking offence on someone else’s behalf.

    That’s patently not true.

  47. Paul,
    Just tuned back in.
    Harri is English..
    He just lives abroad.
    But the main point of this is the Irish.
    And it has to be said that many of my English friends and acquaintances either have some Irish/Welsh/Scots connections or, outside of national sports fixtures, don’t actually think much about it.

  48. Petr,
    I notice you didn’t comment on that documentary link.
    You also didn’t comment on my Sowetan newspaper link.
    Nor on the fact that the early kibbutzniks abandoned marriage and traditional family life, but experience forced them to reconsider and return.

    You seem to disregard stuff when it goes against your socialist philosophy.

  49. I know Agi.

    Pamplona did a strange thing to me. Before coming to live here my general personal experience of English people was quite negative, usually agressive soldiers in Belfast etc. Living in London in the mid eighties could be fairly unfriendly for a west Belfastman but that’s not really surprising as the IRA were occasionally blowing bits out of the place. My happiest memories of the time were spent with my Irish aunt & uncle & my London Irish cousins.

    Here in Pamplona the majority of ‘foreigners’ are English and over the years I have forged some incredible friendships. It sounds like a cliché but some of my best friends here are English, (with two being ex soldiers!!)

    At their best the English are fair, tolerant, polite and friendly in a strange way. At their worst they are what I have spoken about above. I like to generalise them as the former.

  50. Paul,
    I think most reasonable people are willing to accept criticism of their community if it’s done in a friendly reciprocal manner. If it’s criticism with an edge then the natural reaction is to defend.
    I don’t know, but my guess is that many soldiers would appear aggressive in the face of anger and resentment. If they were just plain aggressive they wouldn’t be able to cope with military discipline. Soldiers are taught to work together and obey orders, not blast people to pieces, and that’s why so many soldiers end up suffering from trauma after a period of front line duty.
    I agree with your last sentence, but we have plenty of our own problem people who shame us with their behaviour.
    I have always been a bit of a loner (boarding school taught me a lot!) and I am always wary of large groups of people, because sooner or later a hierarchy forms and a shared code of group values emerges that sometimes force you agree to something you really disagree with… 🙂

  51. Well…in protest of this tv show representing ‘we’ Irish as drunks, I’m going to do 5 shots of whiskey every time it’s mentioned on the show…;-) as well as a couple for every Brit slur…;-P

  52. Pete Moore, on March 23rd, 2013 at 6:41 PM Said:
    Harri –

    Did you say you live in Slovenia?

    Slovakia. My wife and kids are Slovak … stroke English 😉

  53. Reference the Irish, and the Irish being depicted as heavy drinkers, I have never met one who did not like a drink, and a good drink at that … my Mums first boyfriend was a Paddy, his name if I recall was Francis Xavier Llewellyn .. and he was permanantly pissed, even working 13 stories up building the latest council block of flats 😉

    Three expatriates are drinking in a NY City bar.

    “As good as this is,” said the Scotsman, “I still prefer the pubs back home. In Glasgow, there’s a wee place called McTavish’s. The landlord goes out of his way for the locals. When you buy four drinks, he’ll buy the fifth.

    “Well, Angus,” said the Englishman, “at my local pub in London, the Red Lion, the barman will buy you your third drink after you buy the first two.”

    “Ahhh, dat’s nothin’,” said the Irishman, “back home in my favorite pub, the moment you set foot in the place, they’ll buy you a drink, then another, all the drinks you like, actually. Then, when you’ve had enough drinks, they’ll take you upstairs and see dat you gets laid, all on the house!”

    The Englishman and Scotsman were suspicious of the claims.

    The Irishman swore every word was true.

    “Did this actually happen to you?” they asked.

    “No not meself, personally, no,” admitted the Irishman,
    “but it did happen to me sister quite a few times.”

    Reference this ..

    De Camp town races….Doo, Dah, Dey
    By Mike Cunningham On March 22nd, 2013 at 12:29 am

    Change the African dance troupe for White English Morris dancers, we could all take the piss out of them all day long, and the Lefty righteous would not have turned a hair, let alone go into one screaming and wailing ‘racist’ every five minutes .. White and English, no righteous points there to be had see.

    And I still find it very distasteful for one group of people to take offence on the behalf of another group of people without their strict permission beforehand.. just what the leftie righteous drones would do to gain that air of self-righteousness is anyones guess.

  54. We have had a go at the Africans (Allegedly), and the Irish, and the English … now it’s the Americans turn ..

    Read on.

    American English Has Become Way More Emotional Than British English A study comparing mood-related words in U.S. and British books shows that Americans increasingly use emotional words more often.

    Home

  55. That ‘s an interesting article, Harri. I love reading about writing. The article points out that the study only represents the written word but based on experience, I’d say it’s probably true in ‘real’ life. While I was reading it, it crossed my mind that Americans are also much more accepting of ‘therapy’ where the focus is on ‘me, me, me’ and how ‘I’ feel and what ‘my’ perception is. This has leaked into the culture, I believe. All you have to do is read the so-called mommy blogs and parenting blogs to see that children are constantly being encouraged to express how they feel. It’s not entirely a bad thing, in my opinion…it’s been linked to the can-do spirit and entrepreneur drive exhibited by many Americans. And after all, the English are known for their reserve.

  56. I’ve only used it once.
    It works well but makes a lot more mess.
    I am waiting for the warmer weather before I get some more wood, as the last time the cold and damp wrecked my breathing. I will get the proper oil as the machine has a two year warranty, so you can bet your boots if I use the wrong stuff B&Q would pick up on it!
    I’m a great believer in insurances and warranties.
    Jewish joke for you:
    A young girl is on her way home through the woods in Transylvania and suddenly a storm breaks.
    The sky goes dark, rain begins to fall and the wind is howling.
    The girl hurries on.
    Suddenly she sees an old barn and rushes in to escape the terrible weather.
    It is dark inside the barn.
    As she stands shivering and cold she sees a sudden movement.
    “Who’s there?!” she cries.

    A man! A tall man with a pale face, staring dark eyes and long canines,
    A vampire….

    “Get back. Get away from me!” she screams.
    The vampire continues to advance.

    Just in time she remembers the silver Cross around her neck.She knows that vampires are afraid of the Cross.
    With trembling hands she holds it up
    “Behold the Cross. You can’t harm me now!” she cries.

    “My dear”, says the vampire,
    “Aren’t you the unlucky one….”

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