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Whether you believe the reams of publicity put about regarding this dead bloke, and the memorial ‘charity concert’ or not, I was wondering when we will be seeing a similar push for a ‘charity concert’ as a memorial to Kriss?

If this black bloke was killed just because he was black, Kriss was killed just because he was white!

 

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  1. “The concert is to raise funds for The Stephen Lawrence Charitable Trust, which helps to develop brighter futures for young people from disadvantaged backgrounds.”

    What actually constitutes a “disadvantaged background”? Any offers?

    As children we often ate bread and jam or bread and dripping for our teas.
    We walked to school.
    We walked back again.
    We had no holidays except in the backyard, or sometimes a day trip to the coast.
    We had one pair of school shoes, plimsolls or “bumper boots.”

    I don’t understand a disadvantaged background.
    Is the house falling down?
    No heating?
    No opportunities to read or study?

  2. The big difference being of course that the three animals who subjuected young Kriss Donald to such a horrible racially motivated death were quickly investigated, caught & sentenced.

    The investigation didn’t expose a web of corruption, lies, deceit & alleged attempted black propaganda against a murder witness by those who are tasked with the job of protecting society.

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Yes, both were sickening racial murders but there the comparison ends.

  3. Paul,
    Ultimately no difference in the crime though. Only and shamefully, that Stephen Lawrence’s killers evaded justice for a long time.

    The point is that many people have the perception that in this country the killing of a white person on apparently racist grounds will not attract so much msm attention as the killing of a member of another community.

  4. Paul McMahon –

    ” .. & alleged attempted black propaganda against a murder witness by those who are tasked with the job of protecting society.”

    Since debunked. The investigation was more cocked up than sabotaged.

    If you’re looking for real lies, corruption and deceit, you’ll find it in the refusal of the police, government and state agencies to recognise, over many years, that muslim gangs were targeting young white girls for rape.

    That real, systemic, State corruption caused many more young girls to be raped by muslims than otherwise would have been the case.

    The corruption is so deep that the police still pray today that muslims gangs aren’t preying on young in their patch. The decision to investigate or ignore is a painful one.

  5. McPherson – he of the McPherson Inquiry deserves a smack!

    Also that dreadful use of the term “institutional racism”, which fought a battle with the English language, caused unnecessary problems.

    That said I wish to distance myself from the overtones of “this dead bloke”.

  6. Aileen –

    “Institutional racism” isn’t a phrase which sprange out of nowhere. It’s deployed for political purposes, to distort and bend out of shape the centres of power, to make them serve particular groups against others.

    Stokely Carmichael was a black Marxist revolutionary and a promoter of Black Power. He coined the term “institutional racism”, to bend power centres (government, police and so on) to Black Power ends.

    Whether or not this is good or bad, whether or not he suceeded, these are irrelevent. The point is that wildly revolutionary methods, designed to reinforce the Black Power movement, was so easily adopted and shoved into the consciousness by McPherson.

  7. Pete

    Many phrases with “race” in them could serve that purpose.

    The obvious problem with it is that to most people the term meant something completely different to how they defined it in relation to the Met.

    I remember Mike Nesbitt presenting a programme and saying something like “racism is so bad in the Met that it is deemed institutional”, when actually “institutional racism” as defined re the Met is about the mildest form possible.

    To be pre Mc Pherson, the term meant that it was explicitly deliberately designed in a la South Africa,

    Although you might say that that confusion was deliberate – i.e. to get the Met to accuse itself in terms that others would assume was confession to much worse.

  8. Since debunked. The investigation was more cocked up than sabotaged

    Yeah Pete ‘cocked up’, conveniant that. Could deliberate cock up be classed as sabotage?

    The point is that many people have the perception that in this country the killing of a white person on apparently racist grounds will not attract so much msm attention as the killing of a member of another community

    Then that perception is incorrect Agi. The speed of the conviction rate between the two cases should put paid to that. As I said previously: They were two racially motivated murders but the comparison ends there.

  9. Pete

    The investigation was more cocked up than sabotaged.

    yes it was odd the conclusions that people came to from the McPherson Report. It was flawed but it didn’t show sabotage.

  10. Perceptions is perceptions Paul.
    Sometimes a perception is more important carries more weight than the truth.

    Which is why I asked about “disadvantaged backgrounds”. What does that actually mean?
    As far as I can see the disadvantages are mainly as a result of human choices, not material deprivation.

  11. Which is why I asked about “disadvantaged backgrounds”. What does that actually mean?

    I don’t know, some say ‘disadvantage’ is relative, some say it’s absolute. I can’t answer that question.

    What is the meaning behind the title of this post ?

    I’m sure that there’s some logical explanation Colm and the 88 is not a wink to neo – Nazism has some obscure logical meaning.

  12. Paul- do you think that the murder of Kriss Donald wasn’t under reported compared to how it would have been if the races had been reversed? Certainly a lot of commentators at the time found the lack of coverage extraordinary- the generally very left wing Yasmin Alibhai Brown commented on it at the time, as did senior police officers:

    Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Cheshire and a spokesman on race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men.

    ‘The political correctness and reluctance to discuss these things absolutely does play a factor’, he said. ‘A lot of police officers and other professions feel almost the best thing to do is try and avoid it for fear of being criticised. We probably have all got ourselves into a bit of state about this.

    ‘The difficulty in the police service is that the whole thing is being closed down because we are all afraid of discussing any of it in case we say the wrong thing – and that is not healthy.’

    The murder of Kriss Donald was massively underplayed by the press for a long while considering how horrific it was. When you compare it to another racist murder at the time- that of the black teenager Anthony Walker in Liverpool- the difference in coverage was huge.

  13. Paul,
    Well if a relatively intelligent man like you can’t answer it, perhaps we’re all being conned?

  14. Paul- do you think that the murder of Kriss Donald wasn’t under reported compared to how it would have been if the races had been reversed?

    I don’t know Ross, you’re asking me to form a definitive opinion on an unprovable hypothetical whereas I’m comparing the two cases

  15. I think it is fair to make the case that the murder of Kriss Donald was underreported in comparison to other race based murders. The reasoning for it however is not in some mad anti-white conspiracy by the media, but simply in the fact that the historic experience of racist violence is that it has overwhelmingly been by majority host populations against incoming minority groups and out of that has been formed a whole culture of groups, organisations and an activist ethos to publicise and fight against attacks on minority groups. When a white person is the victim of a racist attack, that structure isn’t there. It is however unfair to just compare the Kriss Donald case with Stephen Lawrence because in all honesty you could unfavourably compare almost any murder , black white male or female; racist or non-race based with the Stephen Lawrence case and they would fail on the publicity level.

    The Lawrence case has become almost certainly the most publicised murder for a generation and isn’t really representative of how race based murders are generally publicised. No other murder in recent times has come close to it and it wasn’t engineered that way. It took on a life of its own that couldn’t have been predicted.

  16. Colm –

    “The reasoning for it however is not in some mad anti-white conspiracy by the media”

    No-one has suggested an “anti-white conspiracy”. The fear of being sacked and losing your pension – which is a genuine tyranny – is far more powerful.

    “but simply in the fact that the historic experience of racist violence is that it has overwhelmingly been by majority host populations against incoming minority groups”

    No way. In both the UK and US, probably France and Germany too, racist violence is far more likely to be done by the alien.

  17. imply in the fact that the historic experience of racist violence is that it has overwhelmingly been by majority host populations against incoming minority groups

    Colm- in the link I gave earlier, it points out that ” Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.” It certainly overwhelmingly in one direction.

  18. Ross

    While I would accept that racist violence is a lot more multi faceted nowadays, I stand by my view that historically it was directed a lot more here in the UK at least by white natives towards non-white immigrants and their offspring.

  19. This post reminds me of the unionist reaction to campaigns for inquiries into state murders. Where’s our we inquiry for a or b or c. But they never actually campaign for anything. They just bring it up when somebody else does something.

    There is nothing to stop anyone organising a concert for any victim. If you feel that strongly about it just do it! But don’t use your inactivity to attack people who are getting on with it

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