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I listened to a short broadcast on the Today Programme  at around 07.17 which examined the history behind the commencement of the trial of Ratko Mladic, the planner and instigator of the Srebenica massacre. One piece of the short history of the siege of Sarajevo, as spoken by the BBC’s Alan Little, spoke volumes about our understanding of that war, in that hardly any of the atrocities carried out with precision by mainly the Serbs, but also the Croats, Bosniaks, Montenegrins and the Muslim portion of all three areas; were known about because everyone concentrated on Sarajevo. The ethnic cleansings, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of Muslims, Croats, latterly Serbs after the Croats became better-armed, are only now coming under scrutiny, albeit in a half-hearted way. The deadly statistics are better understood when taken in context, as in the statement by Nigel Rodley, expert from the United Kingdom when he recalled that only eight former Interior Ministry officials had been prosecuted for 49 crimes associated with the Batajnica massacre, whereas 889 bodies had been found in that area.

I write of these matters because we, as in our political membership of the European Union, have already welcomed in Croatia, despite the new member having to wipe the blood of the massacres off their boots, and are now preparing to welcome Serbia, despite their protection of Ratko Mladic for over fifteen years and Karadic for some 13 years.

Are we just going to shrug, and let bygones be bygones. The former black-clad killers sit in their homes, secure in the knowledge that their Serbian protectors are high in the Government, and after all, the dead are still dead, and the Croats, and the Muslims gave as good as they got, in their humble opinion.

So the welcome mat gets laid out, and the blood has already been washed away, and only the families remember!

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12 thoughts on “.and the dust is brushed under the carpet.

  1. “Modern nations and ethnic groups called by the ethnonym Slavs are considerably diverse both in appearance and culturally, and relations between them – even within the individual ethnic groups themselves – are varied, ranging from a sense of connection to feelings of mutual hostility.”
    “Present-day Slavic people are classified into East Slavic (including Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians), West Slavic (including Poles, Czechs and Slovaks),[25] and South Slavic (including Bulgarians, Macedonians, Slovenes, Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs and Montenegrins”

    I unashamedly lifted this from Wikipedia. Partly to annoy Noel, and partly because it states the problem more succinctly than I could.

    The great problem being there is such an ethnic mix in that region -even greater than Northern Ireland – and they have been fighting each other for generations.
    WW1 was ignited in Sarajevo with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and I rather think the whole “anarchist with a bomb” thing, originated from that area too.

    Whatever we try to do, it is not going to solve the problem. We are looking at the problem from the perspective of a stable, semi democratic nation with moral values built on Christianity, surrounded by water: and they aren’t.

    We no longer have the military or economic stamina to force our notions of justice and equality on them or any other nation.
    Of course there are ample illustrations of the folly of trying to impose Western democratic values on nations torn apart by religious, cultural and historical differences.

    One of the unfortunate consequences of our altruistic interference is that instead of the problems remaining in that area, they are being exported across Europe in the form of people trafficking, drugs, prostitution and crime of all kinds.
    We didn’t have these problems before we got involved in interfering in other peoples’ disputes; but now we do, and it is only going to get worse.

    And who are saome of the main players in the problems our police are now struggling to cope with? Albanians, Romanians and people from the area formerly known as Yugoslavia…

    The West has unintentionally opened itself up to peaceful invasion in a way that my parents would never have dreamed possible, and I don’t think it will be that long before no one much gives a fig for our qualms about justice being seen to be meted out to former war criminals. We will be too busy trying to cope with the gradual overthrow of our own nation by “foreign imports”.

  2. “The atrocities carried out with precision by mainly the Serbs, but also the Croats, Bosniaks, Montenegrins and the Muslim portion of all three areas”

    That’s absolutely true. The Serbs seem to be the biggest perpetrators of “ethnic cleansing” but all the other ethnic groupings were guilty to varying degree. Read “Seasons in Hell, Understanding Bosnia’s War” by Ed Vullimay although sometimes it can be horrific reading.

    You use this to have a go at the EU Mike. Could it be that these atrocities occured precisely because they weren’t members of something like the EU? Tito’s Yugoslav state kept the lid on the tensions in the Balkans why can’t something like the EU do the same?

    And, there has been more than one EU member state involved in attempted genocide/ ethnic cleansing/ mass killing.

  3. McMahons,
    Being part of the EU wouldn’t solve the problem. You only have to look at the rise and fall of the Roman Empire to realise that Rome didn’t “civilise” or eradicate the problems; but like rubbing an infected sore, they simply spread the infection around. It was the importation and influence of foreign beliefs and practices that did for the Roman Empire. It will see off the USA, and Europe too. The only nations that will stand will be those that maintain a homogenous society.

    Incidentally Pauly,
    how are things going for you?

  4. The Roman Empire was civilised Agi?

    It was the importation and influence of foreign beliefs and practices that did for the Roman Empire.

    Foreign beliefs and practices such as Christianity?

    You are comparing apples and oranges Agi. An Empire from a millenia ago cannot be compared to a world where global information and communication is literally at your fingertips. If Tito’s benign dictatorship could stem ethnic hatred in the Balkans who’s to say the EU can’t?

    Things are well my friend I hope all’s good at your side also.

  5. “The Roman Empire was civilised Agi?”

    Well, seeing as the Roman Empire was the dominant power of the ancient world for hundreds of years, they regarded themselves as civilised -and there was no one capable of arguing with them..!

    So yes, including Christianity, but there were many other imported influences from their foreign conquests which began to undermine Rome.

    As a thinking evangelical Christian, I would maintain that human societies are always structured around a hierachy of power. It has always been that way, and technological advances won’t change that.
    The West has succumbed to the premise that freedom of expression is more important than any other. They have ignored the reality that humans are tribal, and need a structure with firm boundaries and consequences to get the best* out of them.
    *best in the sense of performance, not morality.
    So they have not only opened the gates to the Trojan horse,they have helped wheel it in.
    Don’t forget, I have extended an invitation to visit, (we could cope with you and your missus, but not your fifteen daughters).
    David has the details of how to contact me.
    YOU blinked first! 🙂

  6. What better example of a multicultural experiment ending in disaster. If after a hundred years of trying, they still couldn’t find a working, stable and equitable from of society, and sheer frustration finally resulted in violence.

    Given the excessively large number of immigrants from countries with little or no cultural, religious, welfare or justice systems in common with our indigenous population, are we not heading for a somewhat similar situation in years to come? Because I very much doubt that whatever laws were passed or actions taken, very few of our ‘welfare refugees’, would go back home willingingly.

    While our indigenes are probably too tolerant to go as far as the Slavs in making ‘the point’, I fancy that many of our immigrants are equally capable of similar extreme violence.

    What’s done is done, unfortunately, the past thirty, and in particular the last fifteen years, are irreversible.

  7. ‘Zactly so Ernest.
    What remains to be seen is whether the current 80% of indigenous Brits will rise up from their DeadEnders/Abomination Street/ Britain’s Got Problems! stupor, and throw out all those immigrants who are unwilling to commit to our traditional culture and values…
    If they don’t then we have had it.

  8. Europe was never more civilised than when multicultural.

    //hardly any of the atrocities carried out with precision by mainly the Serbs, …were known about because everyone concentrated on Sarajevo//

    You what? – At the time they were all over the newspapers, on TV every night, they were the subject of incessent debate all over Europe, in fact I can hardly remember an sustained period that was discussed so intensely at the time.

    Far from us now beginning to realise what happened, as you claim, Mike, I would say it is only now we are beginning to forget.

    The whole region had a period of nationalist madness at the time (but, hey, they were not the only place to suffer from temporary mass insanity; something similiar was diagnosed in the US in early 2003), but they have recovered. True, nationalalism is still very strong there, but hardly worse than in other parts of Eastern Europe. Now, like everywhere else, the young people are running after fun and consumerism and tempers are nowhere as hot as they were 2 decades ago.

  9. Noel,

    The acceptance or rejection of multiculturalism is directly related to the degree and speed at which it occurs.

    If it occurs too fast, – as in our own case in the UK, – it creates problems of integration, with the formation of ghettoes and an adoption of a similar lifestyle and culture, from whence they came. There is no need, pressure or attempt to integrate.

    Similar problems occur when overly large numbers are admitted, creating problems with infrastructure, i.e. housing, and a feeling in the areas where they settle of being overwhelmed.

    We are suffereing from both of these problems in the UK, – we were already overcrowded as it was, we did not need to be reduced to the status of ‘yet another refugee camp’, where most people are living ‘cheek by jowl’ with folk of a totally different culture and way of life, which, far from being a good thing, is detrimental to all concerned.

    You mentioned that Europe has alwas been multicultural, – and so it has, as has the UK, but only to a manageable, and acceptable degree. This wilful and politically inspired flooding will only end in disaster, and when it does, it will be dismissed as ‘yet another unexpected consequence’.

    Was ever a country governed by such a bunch of fools, as we are, here in the UK?

  10. I can’t argue with that, Ernest.

    The question is of course why this policy was pursued by all poliical parties, and indeed by all parties in all coutries of W Europe to more or less the same degree.

    It makes one think there was some kind of inevitability about it: not some conspiracy as it often claimed here but, perhaps, some kind of recognition that things couldn’t continue – the economy, above all – as before with the core population. Perhaps a sober calculation of the costs of pensions and costs of the welfare state in relation to population and falling birth rates. I don’t know.

  11. “Perhaps a sober calculation of the costs of pensions and costs of the welfare state in relation to population and falling birth rates. I don’t know.”

    Now that has to be a first!
    A Tangled Web makes an honest man out of a gentleman blogger by leading him to admit..
    “I don’t know”!!
    Wow! Noel, are you ill??

  12. Noel,

    ” Perhaps a sober calculation of the costs of pensions and costs of the welfare state in relation to population and falling birth rates.’

    Then does it really make any sense to increase the population in such an arbitary fashion and thereby increase the overall future pension liabilities? As we see everyday, people are not prepared to accept a decrease in their pensions.

    Government spending of borrowed money does not a future secure! – they are merely making the matter worse by anticipating that there will, maybe, any future growth – that isn’t already accounted for by liability or debt repayment.

    The core of the problem lies with the politicians obsession with what they call ‘growth’, and it is and has been for many years a pseudonym for devaluation and/or inflation. Their interest does not lay with any maintanence of the status quo, or of sustainability, if such was the case, they would then not be able to continue to increase their annual expenditure on their pet projects.

    If they really do feel that the answer is to increase the population in any way possible, then we can only conclude that they do not have the current population’s long term best interests and well being at heart, or, and the more likely, they are just plain stupid, and are just looking for a quick fix…

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