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What sort of Nation are we becoming?

“Britain’s first male mother has already split from his gay partner – less than a year after the birth of their daughter. ‘Stupidly we always said it wouldn’t change our lives. Obviously we had no idea.’ Jason had been with Paul – who was born a girl – for six months when he found out that they were expecting a child. The former charity shop manager said he was ‘shocked’ to learn that artist Paul, who still has female reproductive organs, was pregnant as he had understood that he was taking testosterone pills, which made it virtually impossible to conceive. Their ‘little angel’ was born in March last year but the strain of their unconventional set-up became too much and  25-year-old Jason walked out.

All I can say is that the “little angel” has got many challenges ahead of her. God help her.

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  1. “All I can say is that the “little angel” has got many challenges ahead of her. God help her.”

    I second that, David.

    The poor child would be much better off in a Male/Female, Hethrosexual forsster home.

    BUT,

    As we all know, if the State even suggests that, the Political Correct idelogues will jump in with both hob-nail boots and cry foul.

  2. Welcome to the world of Equality. ‘Mr & Mr Parent’ you can expect to be paying maintainence and child support for 16 years.

    Because ‘the taxpaying mugs’ have had it up to here with your whinging.

  3. “Britain’s first male mother has already split from his gay partner …”

    I don’t know what that means, but it’s not the country in which I grew up. It feels like living just before the fall of Rome.

  4. If Paul, born a woman,still has her reproductive bits intact, as she obviously has, then she is a female mother, not a male one.There is no such thing as a male mother.

  5. It’s a shame for the child to now be part of a broken family, but I find the incredulity of most here to be hilarious. Like a hetero couple with kids never split up. Right.

    It’s a new world guys. Don’t like it, too bad 🙂

  6. There are truly some lost souls out there, who don’t even know what species they are.

    Shame on the humans who go along with all this pretending.

  7. It is a shame for the child, especially if she grows up with normal inclinations and having to take on board the gross abnormality of her parents. Surely none of useful idiots of the ‘gay rights brigade’ on this site is going to argue that these parents are normal?

  8. The poor child would be much better off in a Male/Female, Hethrosexual forsster home.

    Never mind that every piece of research has shown that children in care have considerably worse educational outcomes than other children (so bad, in fact that special provision has to be made for them in school admissions policies), nor that research shows that children brought up in same sex households have the same outcomes as children brought up in conventional homes.

    No. Never mind what the research shows, after all they are just academics. What do they know?

    And well said Sarah.

  9. The child is indeed the victim in all of this.

    It’s hard enough for a child to go through a marriage breakup, I am a child of such a scenario, but to have the added pressure of knowing your “mummy” is a bloke and “daddy” is a woman is unfair.

    Children, with their lick of social constraints and brutal honesty will make her childhood a misery without the necessary protection.

  10. Who cares about the child. It’s the rights of the confused and and deluded ” parents ” that come first.

  11. yes god forbid, we mustn’t loose the experiment….. the fact that these two were allowed to breed is god laughing at the folly of man

  12. Only a very twisted logic would call those two parents

    Geoff – Chris Gaskin has thrown down the gauntlet.

  13. the fact that these two were allowed to breed is god laughing at the folly of man

    the fact that these two were able to breed is simply the two of them using the body parts that god gave them.

  14. Geoff – Chris Gaskin has thrown down the gauntlet.

    Has he? Well I suggest he picks it up again. The child was conceived naturally.

    Only a very twisted logic would not call those two parents.

  15. In any sence of the word parent, I am not convinced that seeing a child only once a month qualifies, unless there is something preventing more contact.

    This is of course not exclusive to unconventional birth backgrounds.

  16. In any sence of the word parent, I am not convinced that seeing a child only once a month qualifies

    Alas parenting doesn’t have a minimum qualification. I would certainly agree that someone who sees their child only once a month isn’t a good parent, but even if he never sees them ever again, he remains a parent.

  17. I seem to have lost the word “meaningful” from the phrase ” in any meaningful sence of the word”.

  18. Aileen – in which case I would probably agree with you. That is crappy parenting .

  19. Aileen

    I don’t think the objections of most of the commenters in this thread is anything to do with the frequency of contact between parent and child.

  20. Colm

    Oh I know but I choose my own objections 🙂

    All other things being equal I think children are better off living with two parents of each gender (one male and the other female as opposed to a two in one). That said, the main objection I have in this set up is the apparent semi desertion of the child by one “parent”.

  21. Geoff

    The word parent denotes a lot more than siring and giving birth to a child. The simple reality is that if a child is adopted or brought up by realities those people are as much, if not more so, the parents of that child.

    I concede that these two aforementioned miscreants are indeed the biological progenitors though by acting against the best interests of the child the whole of her life I stand by my original statement.

    Only a very twisted logic would call those two parents!

  22. Chris – I do agree that being a good parent does involve a heck of a lot more than simply siring, and I further agree that adopted parents or relatives can be just as good a parent. But let’s take the case of an adopted child — even the biological parent has some call, some emotional link, with the child.
    The partner who only sees their child once a month is a pretty crappy parent. The mother (who may now be a man but was obviously not when the child was born) is providing a loving home for the baby. I don’t see why her gender re-assignment should stop that person from being considered a parent — and he may make a great parent, who knows?

  23. Let’s see what happens shall we, rather than pre-judging the issue? They may be completely crap parents, they may be brilliant parents, or more likely, like most parents, they will try to do the best they can.

  24. Let’s note that what bothers certain commenters about these parents is that they have an unconventional sex life.
    A child brought up by adopted parents – no problem. By two aunts or even by two unclees? – why, they can be the best of parents, and real parents they are.

    But when they are gays, and even if one of them gave birth to the child, well then they are not parents at all but deviant perverted miscreants!

  25. Noel

    Two Aunts or two Uncles brining up a child make their relationship very clear to that child. Now, two aunts who also engage in sexual acts or uncles would not be appropriate.

    This is a man presenting himself as mammy and a woman presenting herself as daddy.

    It is abnormal! This sort of environment can only cause a negative effect on the child.

  26. “I find the transphobia sickening.”

    I’ll tell you what I think of it when I know what it menas.

  27. menas ?

    Er, we’ll have no foreign lingo on this English language blog thank you very much 😉

  28. “Two Aunts or two Uncles brining up a child make their relationship very clear to that child. Now, two aunts who also engage in sexual acts or uncles would not be appropriate.”

    Yes. That’s what I was saying, Chris. It’s really the fact that they’re having sex that bothers you lot.

    Fortunately children don’t care nearly as much about such trivia as you do.

  29. Colm – che?

    Petr Tarasov – Thanks for the link. This is the first line:

    “Transphobia (or less commonly cissexism, transprejudice, and trans-misogyny, referring to transphobia directed toward trans women, or trans-misandry, referring to transphobia directed toward trans men) is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards transsexualism and transsexual or transgender people, based on the expression of their internal gender identity.”

    I understand Serbo-Croat better than that. Is it about blokes in knickers or even weirder shit?

  30. Noel,

    Chris is a lost cause. So full of hate. Read his cesspit of a website for the grusome details.

  31. ‘Transphobia’ 🙂 Tremendous stuff!!

    Apparently there are some people who take it seriously.

  32. ‘Racism’ 🙂 Tremendous stuff!!

    Apparently there are some people who take it seriously.

  33. The world has changed.

    But pardon me if I lament the passing of a gentler, and perhaps more civilised world.

    Forgive me if I think there is something noble about convential marriage. Forgive me for thinking that children do matter and that the selfishness of adults over the past twenty five years or more has lead to a generation who have become more selfish and less able to bring up the next generation.

    And when it all goes wrong the wonderful State has to step in and with their loving magical touch put everything right.

    And yes, from this you will have guessed that I am not in favour of homosexual marriage nor do I believe that anyone – heterosexual or homosexual – has a right to have children.

    Our constant tinkering with some old and well established ideals has taken us into some very dark places that would have been better left unexplored. It is just very sad that this child will have to witness these dark places due to the stupidity and selfishness of others.

  34. “Forgive me if I think there is something noble about convential marriage. Forgive me for thinking that children do matter and that the selfishness of adults over the past twenty five years ”

    Virgilius, we’re generous and will forgive you for all these things.

    What we won’t forgive you for, however, is your ignorance of history, and the naive belief that the father in bygone days was more generous and selfless than fathers today. He was anything but that. In fact, marriage was for many periods in the past a vehicle for allowing a man have while having children while doing what he will, at best immersing himself in his work and otherwise enjoying his freedom and society with other men. The average parent, father or mother, today spends much more time with his children than fathers in that “gentler, and perhaps more civilised world” you dream about.

  35. “a generation who have become more selfish and less able to bring up the next generation.”

    I teach people of that age and they are fantastic. Far more generous than some, eh, older people.

  36. Noel

    You are of course correct – there has been bad parenting throughout the ages. Nor do I suggest that it is not possible for two adults of the same gender to bring up a child very successfully.

    There has, however, been a break down (avoidable?) of convential family life for many and as moral standards have declined so the results have become clear for all. I therefore merely suggest that a world with certain defined boundaries, which are understood and respected, might just be a better world than one without.

    Children, as you will know, appreciate defined boundaries. Remove these boundaries and children can and do go astray.

    Petr

    I did not suggest that the younger generation do not have a very great deal to offer – you do not expand on why they are fantastic however. I would suggest, however, that a generation that requires instant gratification and understands their rights better than their responsibilities is possibly bound to be more selfish than one who defers gratification and puts their duties to society above their rights.

    Finally, as I have a deep distrust of the State and it’s interfering ways I would always try to lead my life, and therefore encourage others to do likewise, in such a way as to minimise such interference.

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