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So, what do you think? Might YOU be a "racist ape"?

Carol Gould never thought of herself as such until the fateful day she went into a coffee-chain shop in central London. You see, London has been a-changing and Carol quickly found out the hard way what this can mean. Read this article to get a flavour of fun-filled multi-culti Britain.

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56 thoughts on “ARE YOU A RACIST APE?

  1. OOOH how I sympathise. Same thing happened to me during the holidays in Blackpool. At pleasure beach of all places..! I was only looking directions. The first worker I asked had ‘no Ebglish’, and she called over her manager or what ever, who was Chineese and who seemed to understand what I was saying but couldn’t communicate the directions. I asked straight out for someone who spoke English, and when the young man appeared, he did say sorry madam,its your accent. Are you from Scotland?

    Obviously the problem on the Edgeware road, could have been accent, she was in the Green Man pub after all, maybe they thought she was a Scottish Jew and wasn’t going to leave a tip..!

  2. If it was a ‘well known coffee chain’ then I actually dont believe the story is even true. The area i noted for ‘its distinct Arab and Kurdish flavour’ and many late-night bars and shisha cafes, it is known to Londoners by nicknames such as "Little Cairo," "Little Beirut, "Little Kurdistan" and similar and has been for years. I used to live there. The more you read it and her woes the more you realise she is spinning an urban myth. Ive walked around with Jewish friends in that area, had dinner, drank coffee and never have the kind of woes she suffers. The more she goes on the more apparent it is. More anti London anti UK crap.

  3. Alison –

    That’s right, call a woman you’ve never met a liar rather than admit that your creed has been an utter disaster for this country. The sisterhood doesn’t allow for rebels, eh?

    At the merest suspicion of a sexist comment from me, you’re aiming the daggers. Those who oppose militant feminism are mysoginists. Yet in London, the capital of what was the most civilised nation on earth, women are treated as garbage – because of the multiculturalist left.

    And how dare you claim that this woman’s comments are ‘anti London anti UK crap’. She clearly loves our history and culture. She adores that British men used to be chivalrous and polite to women here. What a cheek you have!

    Your creed has destroyed the civilised relations which once existed here between men and women. It has imported primitive savages from cultures which are barely worthy of the name. And you now declare those who oppose you as anti-UK! Chutzpah.

  4. What creed are you talking about Pete? I’m not being funny, I’m just not following your answer. Are you trying to suggest that Alison is a feminist and therefore the casue of ethnic man being rude to women?

  5. "London, the capital of what was the most civilised nation on earth"

    back in the (good) old days, the fog was so dense you couldn’t see your hand in front of your face, or hear the screams of women being murdered by Jack the Ripper (the bloody immigrant!)

  6. If every thing Carol Gould writes is true she must be the unluckiest person alive because this kind of thing appears to afflict he every single week. Every column seems to involve her being attacked without provocation for being either Jewish or American by people whose demeanor, etiquette or general appearance she disparages in print (although we’re supposed to believe that she was impeccably polite to them at the time).

  7. Wot a great time it must have been. A woman couldn’t own her own property or vote or decide how many children she might want to have, but at least the menz weren’t rude to them. Yeah! That bloody Alison and her creed ruining it for all of us.

  8. A woman couldn’t own her own property or vote or decide how many children she might want to have, but at least the menz weren’t rude to them.

    So they were still in a better position than women under islam today, mere chattels of men that they are.

    I was suggesting that Alison’s feminist creed is responsible for the huge loss of respect in men towards women, simply becasue of the great harm it has done to men. Christina Hoff Summers outlined it all very well.

    I suppose she’s been booted out of the sisterhood too now.

    The lack of respect from ethnic man towards women is simply down to his primitive culture.

  9. Pete,

    this tourist obviously has no respect for our culture, one of the parts of which is don’t complain about poor service.

  10. If you want to learn about primitive culture, try getting trapped on the tube with a carriage load of Arsenal fans, I din’t think they were objecting to feminism

  11. RC –

    This tourist has lived here for 32 years, something you’d know if you read the article.

    Abdul Kaboom is deemed British and handed a passport the moment he’s found in the back of a truck, but a Jew will always be a tourist. That’s it, yes?

  12. "I was suggesting that Alison’s feminist creed is responsible for the huge loss of respect in men towards women, simply becasue of the great harm it has done to men"
    Why? What harm has it done them? People should treat people as they like to be treated themselves, simple as. Gender shouldn’t come in to it. Feminism fought for equal rights, if men don’t like that I don’t se how it’s my fault or Alison’s fault or this mysterious ‘sisterhood ‘ you keep mentioning.

  13. Alison,

    You’ve really lost the plot. Your feminism is very selective isnt it? As Pete points out, you will express outrage at the merest hint of sexism from someone who doesnt buy into your POV, but when the perps are on the darker side of pale then it must all be made up mustnt it?

    And Fatmammycat,

    "Wot a great time it must have been. A woman couldn’t own her own property or vote or decide how many children she might want to have, but at least the menz weren’t rude to them."

    1. You just described every Islamic nation on Earth, except that the men can be as rude or violent as they like.

    2. It’s totally disingenuous to imply that Pete was talking about the Victoria era as the ‘most civilised’ time – he was talking about post-war and pre-60’s, before the Left got Britain and the rest of the West in its loathsome grip.

  14. More bullshit from DSD.

    I think i must really have a special power or 2.

    She implies as fact:

    "They told me I must have been mad going into that shop, as ‘all the establishments in Edgware Road are off-limits to us now.’ They told me there was one small café that was safe for a western woman…."

    Which one is that I wasnt aware about then. I better make a note! Lord knows how all those decadent western women get away with going to the Carbon Bar or the popular shishah place Cafe Liban or any of the other cafes and bars and restaurants on that stretch. They must have very special powers!

    I was there with Emma earlier this week, by all accounts in the exact same coffee chain (her favourite for frothy overpriced over milky coffee – not mine) – where everyone was polite, spoke perfect english and in spite of Emma’s curly jewish hair, bit of a nose and sizeable american accent (or maybe thats the other way around) werent given to any sudden bouts of utterly random racist insults.

    Maybe we need to say we’re feminists or something.

  15. So what DSD? Pete was the one who said Alison’s creed changed how men viewed women, I laughed at that. Do you somehow think that I view the Islamic model as the right one? I don’t. I think how women are treated in Islam is terrible. So what was your point? Post war? Was Pete around back then? Were you? Do you ahve any idea how the majority of women were treated or how they felt about it? I’m guessing not.

  16. Fatmammycat –

    I see. So I can’t talk of our civilisational decline, because I wasn’t around when things were better. But you can lecture me on how women had it tough in the 19th Century. That’s it, yes?

  17. I didn’t lecture you on anything. It was the creed comment that caused me pause. Of course you can talk about civilised decline, but that is happening across the board and not because women or the ‘sisterhood’ demanded equal rights. I believe I already said people should treat people as they like to be treated themselves. That would be my wish.

  18. Civilisation sure is declining. These days you can’t even beat your servants without someone throwing "human rights" in your face.

  19. Oh and as for this chestnut ‘he was talking about post-war’ – presumably you and Pete would have agreed with the sentiment of the time re a generation of women who neither married nor had kids following the slaughter of a generation of young men in the first world war

    "These superfluous women,” proclaimed the Daily Mail, “are a disaster to the human race.” they were labelled “limpets” and “bread-snatchers” for taking jobs.

    Lord knows how feminism ever got a foothold for women politically (on the left or right) with such chivalrous, respectful and civilised attitudes.

  20. Haven’t seen a battle of the sexes in a long time..! very enjoyable. Alison, and FMC, the problem is women aren’t treated properly under Islam and under the left in westernised countries the balance of power between men and women is now balanced in favour of women. Fatherhood has been destroyed, mens rights to see their children dependent on his partners bad hair or good hair day. Granted not all men are like that but an awful lot are. Manipulating the law to suit their own ends. I’ve seen it, where women solicitors have told young women, never mind that the court says he should see the children, all you have to do is say its not well. Perhaps after travelling miles theres a stunt pulled. Men need EQUAL rights to see their children, were children do not become pawns in relationships.

    I don’t think anyone is looking to go back to the bad old days but a little balance is needed. Most women will be the mothers of sons one day. My friend and neighbour cannot see her grandchildren thru her son getting divorced in a very destructful manner. She did no harm as a grandmother, no one gave the relationship between her and her grand children a thought and she agnoised over it.

    We need to get real here, we need a little balance.

  21. Alison, regarding what you say about the Daily Mail- I suppose I am right that you are just making those quotes up? I mean, you’re just picturing for us what you imagine the Daily Mail might have said, rather than offering anything actually historical?

    I hope you aren’t doing the same about Jewish Emma and her sizeable nose and US accent, oh, and her "curly Jewish hair".

    Not saying I’d bet the house on the veracity of everything Carol Gould says- but then, columnists seem to go looking for trouble, given how often they complain of all manner of rudeness and discrimination. A right bunch of stirrers.

  22. Societies do not decline they merely change

    Its empires that decline

    I tend to side with Alison on this issue nit because of feminism but because "well known coffee chains" have every strict policies on the actions of its employees and would not allow deviation.

    Especially if it was a "well known american coffee chain"

  23. I agree with Alison on this one in that the story seems a tad improvised. Why not name the store if the events happend as set forth by the writer? The writer’s conclusions seem to predate the events of the coffee incident.

    And Pete Moore, you obviously blame feminism for your lack of action. Deflate your doll, comb your hair, get your mom to give you a clean shirt and go out and meet some real women. You’ll see that they are quite nice in person.

  24. Typhoo –

    Thank you.

    Alison –

    presumably you and Pete would have …

    And thank you too for providing us with an example of the intolerant Leftist mind. It’s the mind which pretends one’s views are a window to their character, the simple device by which the Left managed to shape the parameters of debate. By damning the character, you make it uncomfortable for certain opinions to be stated. Over time you create the conditions for those opinions to be outlawed and have those who state them punished.

    Witness your casual remark last week that those who oppose feminism are misogynists, and your efforts today to paint DSD and me in the same way.

    I think you’re a good person who is misguided in some ways, especially in your blindness to political feminism. It would be way off, however, for me to attempt to portray you as a misandrist. I also think we’d agree on much, but those topics on which we disagree tend to get an airing on ATW.

  25. In that case, Alison, regarding the Daily Mail lines- can you let me know where I can find the article in question. Maybe it’s from a book, because I tried Googling the whole and parts of what you quoted and somehow I got nothing. That kind of rhetoric is something I ought to educate myself about.

    Glad to hear Emma is ok though 🙂

  26. Your complete airbrishing of feminism and interpretation of what ive said previously is exactly the same Pete. Your open admittance youre a chauvinist isnt a badge of honour. And your ridiculous attempt to turn a post in which you unquestioningly assume her licence is truth into one on feminism shows a particular intolerant mindset that renders any debate with you meaningless.

  27. Alison –

    Your open admittance youre a chauvinist isnt a badge of honour.

    There you go again. I said I’m sexist, I didn’t say I’m a chauvinist (which I don’t think I am).

    I didn’t try to turn this post into anything on feminism or anything else. I was responding to your attack on one of your sisters. I found it all ironic. I’ve actually been trying to find an opportunity to leave the thread, but you girls do go on.

  28. Oh well thats ok then! After that last comment Pete you may now leave. Be careful the door doesnt slap your arse on the way out

  29. Pete,

    What’s the problem?

    Alison merely stated that her experience of that area of London is completely unrelated to Ms Gould’s; and suggested that Ms Gould was engaging in the (not untypical) journalistic tendency towards exaggeration and hyperbole. After all, doesn’t the dastardly "MSM" do it all the time?!

    Just because her experience doesn’t fit with your idea of an inundation of intolerant muslims in London doesn’t make her wrong.

  30. "the problem is women aren’t treated properly under Islam and under the left in westernised countries the balance of power between men and women is now balanced in favour of women."
    I don’t think it’s balanced in favour of women at all. I think there are enormous gaps in priviledge. I also don’t see or understand how women are automatically granted custody of children and very much frown upon kids being used between warring parents. I think if a marriage breaks down it is incumbant on both parents to shield a child as much as possible from the trauma, not make things worse by not allowing said child access to a parent or much loved family. It reeks, it happens, but I don’t condone it.
    I also really have to get back to work.

  31. "I don’t think it’s balanced in favour of women at all. I think there are enormous gaps in priviledge. I also don’t see or understand how women are automatically granted custody of children and very much frown upon kids being used between warring parents."

    Uh-huh. You must’ve missed the part with all the hundreds of thousands of British fathers denied access to their kids by spiteful ex’s are being shat on every day by Family Courts in closed proceedings. Funny that.

  32. Who has time to take stale rolls back? I’ve never been to London, so I don’t know the area she’s talking about, but it sounds like she went to these different places to see how she would be treated. That’s not to say that her experiences aren’t true however.

  33. Charles – I checked out some other writings of Ms. Gould. She seems to have far more of these encounters with wildly aggressive stereotypes than is statistically possible (with the possible exception of Felix’s family vacation in Syria). I put it to you that her encounters, while possible in theory, are not plausible in reality. And don’t we have enough distrust and conflict in the world that we don’t have to rely on soemone to create it?

  34. Hi, Charles. How’s the rain?

    This story about poeple going out of their way to be offended reminds me of Patty’s post about the folks from Florida who traveled 1,000 miles for the sole purpose of being offended by a parade in New York. And here I thought people only did that in Northern Ireland.

  35. "- I checked out some other writings of Ms. Gould. She seems to have far more of these encounters with wildly aggressive stereotypes than is statistically possible (with the possible exception of Felix’s family vacation in Syria)"

    Yes, this isn’t the first time I’ve come across Carol Gould’s writings and I’ve long felt that her stories don’t sound plausible. I’m not alone in this:

    http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/006809.html

  36. Charles hit it right on the head

    Who would spend all their valuable time and money trying to return 50p of stale rolls.

    Was me I would toss them out and make a mental note to not return to that bakery not spend 50 pounds for a 50p refund

  37. "Did you read what I ACTUALLY wrote, or are you a nincompoop."

    Its called ‘cut and paste’ Fatmammycat, a very useful tool to avoid people claiming they wrote something different to what they did – or is this one of those complicated moments where we are meant to understand what you *meant* rather than what you *said*?

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