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Did you read this tragic story, brought to my attention by an eagle eyed ATW reader?

“A British soldier was murdered in a brawl with British tourists in Cyprus yesterday – less than 24 hours before leaving for Afghanistan”

British tourists killing a British soldier?  

David Lee Collins was stabbed in the early hours after becoming embroiled in a row. Three men – all British passport holders with Pakistani and Somali backgrounds – will appear in court this morning in relation to the incident. Last night there was growing concern the 19-year-old may have been targeted by anti-Western fanatics

Pakistani and Somali “backgrounds”…but as British as can be? Who ARE these  “Brits” and on what basis are they “British”?

“, Mohammed Adulkadir Osman, and two unnamed 17-year-old friends”

Do you think we MIGHT have a problem?

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19 thoughts on “AS BRITISH AS CAN BE…

  1. Who ARE these ”Brits” and on what basis are they “British”?

    Probably on the basis of Pakistan and Somalia’s history as part of the British Empire.

  2. Three men – all British passport holders with Pakistani and Somali backgrounds …

    So they’re not British. Remove the passports, no embassy assistance, let their own crappy governments help them.

  3. “Pakistani and Somali “backgrounds”…but as British as can be? Who ARE these ”Brits” and on what basis are they “British”?”

    Ah, we’re back to the old “Does my being born in China make me Chinese?” debate..
    I say it don’t.
    Anymore than my being born in a garage makes me a car.

    Cue Aileen and Colm.. 🙂

  4. Were these three dogs born in Britain or did they slither into Britain from the sewers of Somalia and Pakistan?

    There is a difference. Not a great difference, but some.

  5. Pete Moore?
    Let me drop myself even further in it..
    Pete is white, His culture and history are closely linked to mine.
    Pete has made his home here.
    He’s British: Essex English wiv a pony tail even..
    And I don’t say a non European can’t become English or British, but it takes longer (in my mind), because Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism etc., do not have their roots here.
    It’s not just where you’re born, it’s what you want to be – Pedro.

  6. He’s British: Essex English wiv a pony tail even..

    He’s also a plastic Paddy

    Because Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism and Judaism etc., do not have their roots here.

  7. and Judaism…
    True Pedro, but we pinched their scriptures and made a good Jewish boy the Son of God -my life already!
    And in any case, some Jews have lived here so long, served in our armed forces and spilt their blood for Britain. THAT’S the difference.

    Pete the plastic Paddy? I don’t actually know what his background is. It’s enough for me that there are people living here who want to be British or English.
    I just love being the only Englishman on the blog.. 🙂

  8. And in any case, some Jews have lived here so long, served in our armed forces and spilt their blood for Britain. THAT’S the difference

    So religions that don’t have their roots there are acceptable as long as the fulfill your criteria?

    I’m sure that the Ghurkas and the Indian soldiers of the British Indian Army that earned 30 Victoria Crosses during the Second World War will be thrilled to hear that.

  9. Pauly,
    You are being unreasonable.
    I admire the Ghurkas and support their right to be here. In fact anyone who is here already and wants to be truly a part of our culture, or anyone who has served on our behalf, ditto.
    Doesn’t mean I have to want them all here does it? For example,
    What would you say is the minimum percentage of Paddies in the Republic of Ireland necessary for it to remain Irish??
    50%? 40%?
    30% and they’d be an ethnic minority..

  10. You are being unreasonable

    No I’m not. Are those Ghurkas British and if they are why are they different in status to the soldiers of the British Indian Army?

    What would you say is the minimum percentage of Paddies in the Republic of Ireland necessary for it to remain Irish??

    Well, first of all it’s not for me to define Irish. After all, off the top of my head I can think of Polish, Basque, Haitian & German parents that have enrolled their children in Irish – speaking schools and have made an attempt to learn Irish themselves.

    Doesn’t that make them Irish in your narrow definition?

    After all, to coin a phrase;

    Anymore than my being born in a garage makes me a car

  11. I’m sorry to hear of this soldier’s death, even in a brawl the facts of which I guess are developing.

    I was also sorry to read of Channing Day a British military medic from Northern Ireland whose recent death while serving in Afghanistan seems to have generated less notice on ATW, probably not because she was of mixed race…..

  12. Mahons,

    An outrageous slur if directed against me not covering the death of the brave young soldier. I did comment on her tragic death on my twitterstream and facebook account I do not see colour, I see a patriot who served her country..and was killed by Islamist scum. I also noticed the lack of interest in that aspect of death.

  13. “He’s also a plastic Paddy”
    “Well, first of all it’s not for me to define Irish.”

    You already have, Pedro McMahons.. 🙂
    Shame on you!
    or
    “Qué vergüenza!”
    as they say in Cockney Spanish..

    “Doesn’t that make them Irish in your narrow definition?”
    No,it doesn’t.
    It makes them “Polish, Basque, Haitian & German parents ” who took the wrong turning and ended up in Eire not Erith..
    Let me ask you something, you wannabe Spaniard named Mick; when you first arrived in your God forsaken corner of Spain, did your Spanish neighbours say to you,

    “Hola españolas Mick! Ahora se ha casado con una española (que obviamente no conoce a su culo de su codo), ahora eres un auténtico señor españoles y elegibles para la plaza de toros!”
    Of course they didn’t. They saw you as an Irish refugee making his home in Spain..

  14. “I see a patriot who served her country..and was killed by Islamist scum. I also noticed the lack of interest in that aspect of death.”

    Well said David.
    I didn’t even know she was from Northern Ireland.
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/channing-day-and-david-oconnor-tears-flow-for-fallen-soldiers-at-brize-norton-16232152.html
    But as you say she was a lovely girl who was serving her country, and we extend our sincere condolences to her family.

    As a BTW, I read or heard somewhere that more soldiers are self wounding to escape being sent to Afghanistan.
    What a shocking indictment of a war that has no democratic backing from the UK electorate.

  15. You already have

    Um, sorry to disappoint but I haven’t

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Paddy

    It makes them “Polish, Basque, Haitian & German parents ” who took the wrong turning and ended up in Eire not Erith..

    Why? Being born in a garage doesn’t make you a car.

    And I don’t say a non European can’t become English or British, but it takes longer (in my mind), because Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism etc., do not have their roots here.
    It’s not just where you’re born, it’s what you want to be

    That seems to be completely contradictory to what you’re saying above and just where does it leave those Indian & Ghurka soldiers that we were speaking of? You seem to be all over the place on this one.

    Let me ask you something, you wannabe Spaniard named Mick; when you first arrived in your God forsaken corner of Spain

    First of I’m an Irish national, I’m not a ‘wannabe’ anything and my name’s not ‘Mick’. Godforsaken? making assumptions again about places you’ve never visited? and Agi, Google translator really is not a substitue, it is for the linguistically ignorant and intellectually lazy and while it didn’t add anything to your mildly humorous attempt it spoke volumes about how you would project your values onto Spanish nationals.

    They saw you as an Irish refugee making his home in Spain

    ‘Refugee’ – interesting choice of word. Is it more projectionism?

  16. Certainly agree with you re Google translate, and I really apologise for it. I shan’t use it again.
    It was meant to be humorous. 🙁

  17. Pauly,
    I read my comment again. I know what I was trying to convey, but it doesn’t come across well, does it.
    So again, apologies.

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