ATW OPEN THREADHomeopen thread by Pete Moore June 13, 2013 47 1 min 9 yrs Tweet I think some people wish to say something. Whatever you like then, go for it. If it helps to put you in the mood, have some incoming doom – Click to rate this post![Total: 0 Average: 0] open thread Post navigation Previous postNext post 47 thoughts on “ATW OPEN THREAD” Anyone doing anything interesting on Bloomsday? We were supposed to get a mega rainstorm today. But we may have dodged the bullet. I brought my yellow rain slicker for nought. Rain, but not too bad. A very wet spring in the northeast. Our reservoirs at 100% capacity and they have been so for a while. If you look in here, Seimi, will you tell us what you know about what happened Fr Matt Wallace. Did you ever meet him? I think Paul comes from Turf Lodge, doesn’t he? Pete Do you think our ‘doughnut munchers’ should have helped this civilian in distress ? 🙂 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22887138 Noel, have you ever seen the Irish film about a priest who commits suicide during the beginning of the AIDs epidemic? mairin2, No. Never heard of it. Did you know about this priest? Colm – I’m surprised they didn’t nick him for soliciting. He’d have found out then you shouldn’t involve the rozzers. Since a bird should be demure and modest and not oversell herself, the small claims court is the way to go. Is sex off the table? Noel it would appear Fr Matt died due to suicide. West Belfast as you know has a huge problem with suicide, and its so tragic for those involved. The Belfast telegraph and utv news reported the death as suicide, which is why I mention it openly. There is also an issue of funds going missing in that parish, but the funds going missing have nothing to do with Fr Matt the psni are looking for a man in connection with the missing funds. The two are not related. Fr matt as I am sure you know was a terrific priest and dedicated to his parish. May he rest in peace. Daphne – Depends on how high and sturdy the table is. Go for it of you like. Skirting wide of where I’d prefer to delve, Pete. I’m fascinated and appalled by American Christianist faction who hold events like Purity Balls. These big daddy/virgin daughter dances are freaking creepy. Is the $69 ticket price a tasteless joke or an unwitting subliminal desire? Why would any sane person celebrate their daughter’s sexuality? Noel, the film is called “Conspiracy of Silence” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_of_Silence_(film) It’s very intense…not the kind of film you’d watch for a little R&R. Daphne That is seriously weird. Trying to be generous I would say it might appeal to some men who just want to make a fuss of and show off their princesses. The sexuality thing rings warning bells. Who’d like to post something on ATW? I think Paul comes from Turf Lodge, doesn’t he? No Noel. I was born in the lower Falls but lived all of my childhood and young adult life around the ‘Top of the Rock’ which is a focal point for the Ballymurphy / New Barnsley / Turf Lodge & Dermothill areas but not strictly Turf Lodge. I’m just back from a night out so I’ll hold back on commenting on Matt Wallace suffice to say that I knew the man and thought him to be a man of impeachable integrity and one of the very few clergy left with a social conscience. Just watching Question time… David will be delighted to see George Galloway is anti independence for Scotland. 🙂 The White House is to give military support to the Syrian rebels…. This should be interesting, most likely this is to put pressure on Russia ahead of the G8? There is a v good talk on fr matt here from the Nolan show, depression and loneliness of being a cleric is discussed. It’s very good. http://audioboo.fm/boos/1448410-after-the-shocking-death-of-fr-matt-wallace-fr-brian-d-arcy-talks-about-issue-of-loneliness-as-a-cleric Thanks Paul. Sorry to change subject so abruptly, but I just can’t stop laughing at “Purity Balls”! “While dad is the main escort for the evening, daughters are encouraged to come with friends escorted by their own dads as there will be plenty of special moments to share with friends as well as personally with their dad!” Some people are so thick they shouldn’t have daughters. I know…like why would daughters care about the purity of their father’s testicles…what do they do dip their dad’s balls in bleach??? 😛 that was good Mairin 🙂 I have to say though Daphne (choking) is right the Purity Ball creeps me out also. Am I getting the drift of the other part of this post right… you guys are talking kindly about a priest that committed suicide? Sorry but can’t go there. Can’t grasp the amount of despair it would take to bring a man that took his vows, learned and studied Christianity and then did the one thing that would assure his soul to go to hell. What did he do that mad him feel he deserved to be tortured for eternity. I mean think about it. I know some of you don’t believe, but surely he must have. Yet he ends his life in such a manner… there is much more to that story. Sorry for coming late to this. Father Matt was a great man and a good and highly respected priest, in all the parishes in which he worked. When he was based up where I lived, the kids would sing a song, ‘Matt Matt and his hurley bat’, because he would take it upon himself to go out and deal with troublemakers in the area himself, hurley stick in hand. He had been in Turf Lodge for a long time, and was extremely popular, taking time to speak with parishoners, say mass, and deal with a very wide range of local issues. Last year, he suddenly disappeared, and it turned out that he was suffering from depression. Last weekend, he took his own life. A terribly sad loss for West Belfast, indeed, for the whole of the city. I think the idea of Purity Balls are creepy too, Troll. That’s why I wrote such an absurd statement. What if the tables were turned and girls were celebrating their daddies’ pristene private parts rather than daddies celebrating their daughters’ virginal vajayjays. I suppose a better analogy would be mothers and sons holding similar celebrations where the boys pledge their pure pricks to their moms…it boggles the mind. I had never heard of Purity Balls and had to google it. There’s a ceremonial symbol involving a pink box with a key…what would the symbol be if was mommies and sons playing this creepy event out…what would the theme be…a limp dick or a wilted willie? Would they have a cockblocker symbol??? A golden cork? A ring of sorts to insure sonny boy’s penis plays dead? Shlong shrink wrap??? The hypocrisy of it all. It’s ludicrous. And yes, creepy. “I pledge my vajayjay to my daddy until I wed and then I’ll pledge my coochie to my husband”…f*ck that! What does that teach young girls? That men are the masters of womens’ bodies. It ain’t right. Seimi…how do you pronounce “cad é an craic”? Or, if that is not gramatically correct, please let me know. I know ‘crack’ and ‘cod’ but I’m not sure of the cadence/sound when you put it all together. Pretty hard to answer that in writing I would have thought mairin You mean my question to Seimi??? Colm…he can do it…he can do everything Irish…watch him. 🙂 Well in the absence of the Irish genius i’m going to hazard a guess that it would be pronounced – ‘Kiddy on Crack’ – well that’s how it looks anyway 😉 Oh, okay then, Colm…kiddy on crack it is! I plan on saying that in a meeting on Tuesday. But just in case Seimi sees this (or Paul), please help (oh yeah, translate that too, please)! And Colm, Seimi will tell us how it’s pronounced in more than one province. 😛 Hi mairin 🙂 Ok, here goes… ‘Cad é an craic?’, as you spelled it, is the standard Irish – ‘cad’ (what) ‘é’ (it [masculine]) ‘an craic’ (the craic) [is]? – and would be pronounced – Kadday an craack? How we in Ulster spell it is – Caidé an chraic? It’s much easier to say, I think – Kajay an chrack? The extra ‘i’, insterted into ‘cad é’ is a recognition of how much easier it is for the tongue and teeth to go from a ‘k’ to a ‘j’ sound, rather than from a ‘k’ to a ‘d’ sound. The ‘ch’ sound at the start of ‘chraic’ is the same as the Scottish ‘ch’ in ‘Loch’. That all looks so complicated, but it’s actually quite simple. Really… please help (oh yeah, translate that too, please)! The word ‘help’, can either be ‘cabhair’ [ko-wirr] in most of Ireland, or ‘cuidigh’, primarily in Ulster [kudjee] Please varies, depending on where you are, but is based around the word ‘toil’ [tuill], meaning ‘will’. In Connaught, please would be, ‘Mas é do thoil é’ [mass ay do hull ay], ‘if it is your will’. In Ulster, it would be the simpler, ‘Le do thoil’ [Le do hull], ‘With/by your will’ So, depending on whether you are in Connaught or Ulster, you might say, ‘Cabhair liom, mas é do thoil é’ (Help me, please) or, ‘Cuidigh liom, le do thoil’ (Help me please) 🙂 Thanks, Seimi! This is perfect. The ‘ch’ sound is similar to ‘ch’ sound in some Hebrew words (sorry Allan, I typed Hebrew 😛 ). There used to be a funny video online with Elaine Ní Bhraonáin teaching people in a mall in the middle of nowhere USA to say Beannachtaí na Féile Padraig. She was in the face of these giant farmer types making the ‘ch’ sound and making them do it too. I looked for the video this past St Patrick’s Day but couldn’t find it. I used to be partial to Connaught Irish but I’m liking Ulster now! Go raibh maith agat!! Máirín Fáilte, a Mháirín 🙂 I should add, for those others here who are reading these short lessons and practicing (I’m looking at you, David 😉 ), the ‘do’ in ‘le do thoil’ and ‘Mas é do thoil é’, is pronounced ‘duh’. But I’m sure you all knew that 😉 Greek and Spanish look like a cakewalk compared to learning Irish. This language looks near impossible, Seimi. I wouldn’t even know what to do with all of those marks topping every other letter! My sons are taking up French (12 yo) and German (14 yo) next year. I was so disappointed my Sam chose German, it sounds so guttural. I may try French with my youngest, although Italian holds a certain allure and would be far easier to master. I do find your language lessons with Mairin enjoyable to follow. Her desire to learn something so difficult impresses me to no end. Daphne, the marks over the vowels are called a ‘Fada’, which means ‘long’, so the vowel sound is elongated: ‘a’ (ah) becomes ‘aa’ ‘e’ (eh) becomes ‘ayy’ ‘i’ (ih) becomes ‘ee’ ‘o’ (ugh) becomes ‘owe’ ‘u’ (uh) becomes ‘ooh’ It can look complicated, but one of the reasons is because the Irish/Gaelic alphabet only has 18 letters, plus the vowels with a Fada (á,é,í,ó,ú). a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,u The vowels, and their accentuated forms, are vitally important, as they influence the pronunciation, and therefore the meaning, of the word So, for example, the word ‘fear’ (far) means ‘man’. But if you elongate the ‘e’, it becomes ‘féar’ (fair), which means ‘grass’. But don’t let stuff like that put you off, Daphne. You yourself use Irish words all the time. Every time you order a whiskey, you are asking for ‘uisce’ – water. The full term is ‘uisce beatha’ – ‘water of life’ – ‘Aqua Vitae’. When you say ‘whiskey galore’, you are saying ‘uisce go leor’, ‘whiskey aplenty’ (go leor means enough, or plenty) Smithereens comes from ‘smidiríní’ – ‘little pieces’ There is even an argument that the slang term ‘punk’, comes from the Irish term ‘poncanach’, meaning ‘American’. Irish is one of the oldest languages in Europe, predating English by at least a thousand years. It can be linked directly to Indo-European, through words like ‘Rex’, ‘Raj’ and Rí (Ree), meaning ‘King’. It’s a beautiful, poetic language, but practical and realistic too. The Irish for ‘jellyfish’ is ‘Smogairle Rón’, which means ‘Seal Snot’. 🙂 haha…I just came back from the beach and I was showing a little boy a jelly fish…I wish I said seal snot…I’m sure he would have been 10x more interested!!! Please write how it sounds for us. I’m going to a Bloomsday celebration tomorrow…any other fun Irish words/sayings? There will be Irish speakers there. You are the best Seimi! Daphne, I’ve had a lot of starts and stops over the years. NY is a hot spot for learning Irish so I am very lucky. haha…I just came back from the beach and I was showing a little boy a jelly fish…I wish I said seal snot…I’m sure he would have been 10x more interested!!! Please write how it sounds for us. I’m going to a Bloomsday celebration tomorrow…any other fun Irish words/sayings? There will be Irish speakers there. You are the best Seimi! Daphne, I’ve had a lot of starts and stops over the years. NY is a hot spot for learning Irish so I am very lucky. Tá brón orm–I posted twice. Seimi, they are trying to start an Irish language grammar school in NYC…wouldn’t you love to spend a few years (at least) in NY? It would be a great experience for the young ones! ‘Smuggerrl-ye R-own’ is the best I can do, Máirín 🙂 I wish ATW had an audio option, so I could slur pronounce it properly for you! What sort of phrases would you like to learn? I think, if they have enough kids, and they have the will, then open the school! That’s what we did! 🙂 They’re looking to start a charter school. NYC bureaucracy is a killer though. First, we have to get the new Irish arts/culture center built and then I think the school can grow from there. Maybe some Joyce quotes from Ulysses even though Joyce was against the Irish renaissance…serves him right! “To learn one must be humble.” “As you are now so once were we.” They’re kind of boring…too much sun. Will have to think more about this… Seimi = múinteoir is fearr…:-) Daphne, this is a former teacher of mine talking (in Irish) about teaching Irish in NYC. Her accent would be different than Seimi’s. Seimi, would this be considered a ‘posh’ accent? Elaine is such a fun teacher but her Phd is taking up most of her time. Seimi, your primer (which I read a dozen times over, very slowly) still left me swimming. I’m pretty sure I’d have to move in with you for a year to ever grasp the sheer basics. While all languages require intimate cultural knowledge to achieve seamless fluency, most can be grasped, expressed and understood without full linguistic nuance or a formal tutor. Your language appears to be one that would benefit from full immersion. Seriously, that particular bitch looks damn hard to learn without a native speaker’s knowledgeable guidance. Mairin, just ran your great video. I ignored the translation, instead focusing on her articulation, pronunciation and style of speaking. I still don’t find it easily accessible. Too many jaw burrs and tongue slurries that seem difficult to replicate. It does sound lovely, though. Mothaighm mar a tá me aras sa ran ag foghlaim gramadach leat…. //Seimi, would this be considered a ‘posh’ accent?// Mairin, that what we call Gaeilge Baile Atha Cliath, or RTE Irish. From the sound of her, that lady is a Dubliner like meself. She is from Dublin! My waiter ( right now) is from Dublin too…;-) As Noel correctly points out, it is Dublin Irish, but very well spoken Dublin Irish 🙂 Could be worse – it could be D4 Irish! 🙂 Máirín: “To learn one must be humble.” – Le foigid tig foghlain “As you are now so once were we.” – Mar is amhlaidh duit, b’amhlaidh dúinne. Comments are closed.