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Harry Reid, jailed for the killing of three police officers in 1966, is about to be released. The police don’t like it, even though he’s been inside for 48 years. That’s alot longer than if he’d been done for murdering three peons.

Chair of the Police Federation of England and Wales, Steve White says he is appalled at the decision […]

“This decision by the parole board is a slap in the face for the families of the three police officers he brutally murdered who, once again, are forced to re-live their pain and loss. It will spark fury among everyone in the police family who will feel badly let down.

I agree with him. Reid was meant to go down for a whole life tariff, but it turned out the State lied. And he’ll soon be released, though goodness knows what he’ll do at 78 years of age.

But the police have done plenty of face slapping themselves, metaphorically as well as literally. It’s a slap in the face when parents discover their young daughter was gang raped by muslims, and the savages will get away with it because the police are more concerned with protecting their fat salaries by avoiding a charge of “racism”.

It’s a slap in the face when rapists get police cautions . Even child rapists.

It’s a slap when serious assaults end with a caution.

It’s a slap when the police prevent paramedics from reaching gunshot victims. Health an safety is the excuse. Yeah – their health and safety, because police lives are more special.

As for the police harrassing Britons for thought crimes, from arresting a woman for the non-crime of reading out the names of the war dead at the Cenotaph, to arresting Christians for non-crimes and persecuting a man for reading the words of Winston Churchill – slap slap slap slap slap.

So the Chair of the Police Federation can shut his whining mouth. Yes, Harry Reid should die in prison, and his release will be felt hard by the bereaved, but that’s nothing compared to the pain the police inflict on victims and the innocent every day.

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  1. I don’t think people, especially police officers, would argue that their lives are worth more per se. However the attack on a police officer is an attack on the social order itself and thus creates the justification for a greater penalty.

  2. If someone wants to agitate against the release of a someone who murdered three people, I don’t have a problem with it.

  3. When I heard that Harry Reid was in jail, I thought ” wow that’s a good idea “. But no such luck.

  4. However the attack on a police officer is an attack on the social order itself …

    Total gibberish.

    It’s an attack on a person, that’s all, no different from an attack on anyone else.

  5. //It’s an attack on a person, that’s all, no different from an attack on anyone else//

    That’s true on a human level but not in any broader sense. The police are generally there to protect people and property. Killing a policeman is of course first of all murder of a person. But it also means additionally removing that shield against arbitrary attack, an aggravating factor that’s missing in normal murder.

  6. The police voluntarily face dangers, and can routinely see the worst of society, as others do not do.

    They are uniquely vulnerable in that way.

  7. Yuuurse… I was wondering why such an embarrassing pantomime was performed in the Canadian parliament today:
    Singing the national anthem; tear-filled eyes; speeches about how nothing will “cow us” or “panic us” etc etc ad nauseam. It just went on for ever like a soap opera.

    Then it occurred me, of course it was the political establishment that was threatened, the worse case scenario that reduced them to quivering wrecks, with exhortations by the cheese-eating PM for members to consult a “physician” if they felt the need.
    Just as well they didn’t suffer a ‘Brighton Bomb’ episode, or the whole cabinet would have collectively committed suicide.

    As Pete Moore says, sarcastically, when policemen or politicians are the target, all hell is let loose, and us ‘proles’ can remain at the bottom of the pyramid of expendables.

  8. The police are generally there to protect people and property.

    And this is why we’ll disagree in the end, because we disagree even on fundamentals.

    The police does not exist for that purpose. They are the ruling elite’s praetorians who, ultimately, exist to protect their paymastera and inflict their arbitrary, penal and wealth-sucking rules on society.

    Granted they make a song and dance of some serious crimes, but almost all of their efforts are directed at enforcing the will of government on the people.

  9. Bernard –

    The fiction that “Canada” was attacked was immediately parroted everywhere. This is nonsense of course.

    No-one in Vancouver, Toronto or Nova Scotia was attacked. Individuals were attacked. When a man is mugged in Vancouver, it is not Canada that is mugged (the government monopoly has that turf) but an individual.

    Despite all the fancy buildings and titles and pomp and ceremony in all capital cities, it was individuals who were attacked yesterday, not Canada.

  10. A lot of this is being overhyped by the media, and by the Canadians, I have to say.

    A lone gunman enters the parliament and is shot dead.

    Now they’re talking about it as if it’s another Pearl Harbour.

    There were times when my misguided countrymen were firing mortars into the UK PM’s residence when he was present, fired tear gas in the parliament, bombed the government party converence and came within a whisker of killing the PM, etc.
    Much worse attacks and probably less hullabaloo.

    Far be it from me to praise the Israeli govt, but the way the Izzies respond to such attacks is best: sweep up briskly, tighten security and back to business without any fuss.
    Terrorists are exhibitionists by nature, and all this hype and pathos, oh, how greviously we have been violated.. only encourages them.

  11. I agree that the Israeli approach to this is really good. I understand that they’d often have a bombed business open in a day or so, all repairs paid for and organized by the state, so that the terrorists never got to see their ” handiwork ” for very long.

    It is a sober, intelligent approach.

  12. 45 years ago, there would have been widespread outrage and sympathy for the Police. Today, with the threat of Jihad’s beheading one of them, there would probably a sense of just deserts, particularly after Rotherham.

    It is another measure of how far we have fallen.

  13. Mark B

    This is a UK view, one I think not common in other places.

    I would be interested in what the sober British guys, including Ross and Colm would have to say on the matter.

    ( We know what the bla bla bla guys will say ).

  14. Mark B, on October 23rd, 2014 at 6:04 PM Said:

    45 years ago, there would have been widespread outrage and sympathy for the Police. Today, with the threat of Jihad’s beheading one of them, there would probably a sense of just deserts, particularly after Rotherham.

    There was a lot more respect for the police when I was a youngster than there is now. The police have lost a lot of respect and support from the public and in my opinion, they only have themselves to blame.

  15. We know what the bla bla bla guys will say

    Would that be those who say CORRECTLY that kerosene burns at 300 degC (circa 600degF) in open air? bla bla bla.

    The police used to be there to protect the public and were there to put themselves in harm’s way – that was the job. Today, they are there to take money from the general public and are nothing short of tax officials. Anything risky, a safety assessment is carried out while the threatened member of the public dies – and this has actually happened on several occasions. Moreover, the type of person recruited is the kind who is deliberately obstructive and petty – a true ‘jobsworth’. Today’s police shame their predecessors.


  16. Adele Yvette Cashman, 30, Metropolitan Police Service
    Fiona Bone, 32, Greater Manchester Police
    Nicola Hughes, 23, Greater Manchester Police
    Ian Dibell, 41, Essex Police
    Gary Toms, 26, Metropolitan Police Service

    All killed while chasing or apprehending criminals, and that’s only in 2012.

  17. Three women – putting women up against criminals first. How very modern:

    Adele Yvette Cashman, 30, Metropolitan Police Service, collapsed while running in pursuit of a felon


    A Metropolitan Police officer who died while on duty in north London was chasing a suspect at the time, it has emerged.

    Det Con Adele Cashman, 30, was taken to hospital after collapsing in Camden at about 21:45 GMT on Monday

    Fiona Bone, 32, Greater Manchester Police and Nicola Hughes, 23, Greater Manchester Police were investigating a reported burglary when they were shot by an armed assailant.

    An off-duty police officer was unlawfully killed as he tried to wrestle away a revolver from a crazed gunman near his home in a seaside town to protect a member of the public, a coroner ruled today.
    Father-of-two PC Ian Dibell, 41, was shot while trying to intervene in a dispute in Clacton, Essex, last July, after his killer, 64-year-old Peter Reeve, had run amok in a residential street.

    Sometimes shit happens, and the police will get it first.

  18. We know what the bla bla bla guys will say

    If that is your definition of ‘free speech’, then I will just have to take it as is.

    Just a few pointers to underline what I say.

    1) Steven Laurence was murdered and the Police failed him and his family. Today, his Mum is a Peer in the Lords and he has a swath of memorials named after him.

    2) PC Trevor Blakelock was hacked to death by a crazed mob during riots in the early 80’s. Nada !

    3) 96 People from Liverpool left their homes on a sunny day to go an see their team play in an FA Cup match. They never came home. It has taken decades for their grieving families to get any sense of justice from a Police Force that was there to uphold the law yet, have broken it by falsifying evidence.

    Of course, this is all just; ” . . bla bla bla . . ” But at least someone who is totally unconnected with any of those events can remember them and expect justice.

  19. Mark

    I am aware of cases of police misconduct, even police crime. I think that these things should be punished, severely.

    I do think that most cops here are good.

    Some here think that they are all donut munchers or oppressors. They are the bla bla bla guys. They’re proud of their bla bla bla-ness. Their contribution is equal to that of those who think that all cops are aaints.

  20. The police does not exist for that purpose. They are the ruling elite’s praetorians who, ultimately, exist to protect their paymastera and inflict their arbitrary, penal and wealth-sucking rules on society.

    Words and sentiment from scum who in my opinion is worse than those that will prey on you.

    Yes that is a personal attack. One I make openly.

    I won’t go into the 1000 reason that you are wrong. I will just make a wish that you are in a situation where your life depends on those praetorians, and they don’t make it in time.

    and I sign it. The great grandson of a cop, the grandson of a cop, the son of a cop.

    Patrick Van Roy

  21. I’d have thought you wouldn’t want to draw attention to this thread, Troll. But since we’re here, the preposition in your Dutch name means “of” or “from” and it’s not capitalised.

    Willem van Oranje
    Vincent van Gogh
    Rembrandt van Rijn
    Jan van Eyck
    Ludwig van Beethoven
    Robin van Persie
    Louis van Gaal
    Marco van Basten
    Ruud van Nistelrooy
    You’re welcome.

  22. According to Wikipedia, Troll’s use of a capitalisation is correct, although it appears that his name is spelled wrong – it should be Van, rather than Von, if it is indeed Belgian

    In Belgium, any surnames beginning with “Van” or “van” are filed under “V”. So for example Eric Van Rompuy is listed under the “V” section, not under the “R”.[1] The lowercase spelling in a name from the Netherlands is respected but not necessarily differentiated in alphabetical ordering and its Dutch style capitalization for certain usages is generally unknown and thus not followed. The painter’s full name however, having become commonplace, is usually spelled Vincent Van Gogh in Belgium. In Flemish surnames the “V” is always capitalized though a following interjected “de”, “den” (‘the’) or “der” (‘of the’, ‘from the’) usually stays lowercase. Names as Van der Poorten, Vander Poorten and Vanderpoorten include a double genitive, in which case Van made it a patronym – literally “Of from the Gates”, originally a son or daughter of the man referred to as coming from the gates: each of these family names goes back to a child of assumedly an emigrant from the then nearest walled city. “Van der” or “Vander” also occurs contracted to “Ver” and then must never be separated from the main term, e.g. in the surname Verpoorten. Names starting with “Van” and its derivatives often refer to a placename (never with any de- form) or some word for a location. Few with “Van” relate to other common sources as professional occupations and physical characteristics, though for instance Van der Jeugd, Van der Kinderen and Vanden Avond atypically refer to ‘youth’, ‘children’ and ‘evening’ respectively.

  23. Names are not “Belgian”. There is no such language or culture.

    If we’re talking Flemish, then we’re talking Dutch, because Flemish is the Dutch language in Belgium.

    And neither does it mean of Royalty. I think someone’s confusing Roy (or Rooy), with Roi, which is French and completely different.

  24. Who spelled it with an O?

    Of course it is spelled with an A instead of an O. Don’t let Pete’s confusion on oh so many things infect you Seimi.

  25. Pete so now you going to tell me and every other Van whatever in the world that we are wrong about our names?…. lol

  26. It is Flemish, and it means ‘of’ or ‘from’, suggesting that ‘Roy’ or ‘Rooy’ id a place, town or region.

    The German “von” is a cognate of Dutch “van”, though unlike the German “von”, the Dutch “van” is not an indication of nobility or royalty. These prepositions usually refer to a geographic place.

    Sorry, Troll – ya ain’t nobility…

  27. I very much liked Belgium during a five day stay there in 2002 centered around a grand beer festival in Antwerp.

    Relaxed culture, friendly people, nice public squares in the towns.

    Antwerp and Brussels were very good, and Bruges was one of the prettiest towns I have ever seen.

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