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euro_islam_flag.jpgMy thanks to Andrew for having mentioned this march in a previous post.

I regret to have to report that the demo in Brussels did not go ahead after all. Arriving in Place du Luxembourg in good time I managed to find Stephen Gash (UK organiser for SIOE) and was thus able to make sure I wouldn’t miss the beginning of the march, due to be marked by assigned signals of "stewards raising white objects in their hands at the allotted time" (SIOE site explanation). As it turned out, however, the police and their masters had other ideas. Mr Gash and I had been interrupted in conversation by a sudden onset of journalists anxious to talk to Mr Gash when suddenly police in riot gear appeared as if from nowhere to cordon off those standing and talking from the rest.

Seated at a café table nearby, I was not significant enough to merit the attention of their tender mercies, but several others were hauled off to face the wall of a building adjoining the entrance to the EU parliament and from there bundled into large vans and driven away. What became of them I do not know, not being one of the exalted ranks of the MSM, but the muffled cry ‘vive la democracie!’ from within that barricaded crowd drew wry smiles from some bystanders.

It’s interesting that at a time when so much lip service is given to democracy and rule of law, so little of it comes into actual practice, even to the extent that while a demonstration essentially accusing the US government of being responsible for the 9/11 attacks is allowed, a demonstration remembering the victims of 9/11 and voicing protest against the barbaric way of ‘life’ that is sharia law is not allowed. This by elected officials, who should be the bastions and guardians of democracy, freedom, and equality before the law.

Quite what happened to change the minds of the SIOE organisers is, at present, unknown to me as there is at the time of this writing no new update on the SIOE site. Whether or not the hundreds of police in full riot gear, coupled with the dripping water cannons mounted on a nearby police van had anything to do with it, I don’t know (though I do know it certainly weighed on my own mind) It is, of course, possible that SIOE decided that they did not want to put their supporters in the way of almost-certain police suppression, but that is mere speculation on my part. While it was good to see so many journalists from the MSM taking an interest in SIOE and their message, and also to see a Daily Telegraph reporter speaking with the head of the excellent Politically Incorrect.de blog, I do wish it had gone forward as planned. A pity, but perhaps tomorrow will be another day.

I’ll keep following this story and let you all know as and when I receive or find more information on it.

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50 thoughts on “Brussels Demo Suppressed

  1. Alan , I think that is unfair , the pictures that I saw , courtesy of RTL1 TV , did not show 200 hooligans but about 6 people with shaved heads and a lot more " normal " "respectable " people . Remember that they were also there is pay respects to 3,000 dead ,murdered by people of an Islamic persuasion .

  2. So anyone who’s concerned about the growing influence of Islam in Europe is a hooligan? As far as I can see it’s protests involving those on the ‘left’ that attract the most hooligans. Rarely does a May Day march or an ‘anti-globalisation’ gathering not descend into some sort of anarchy.

  3. ‘the police and their masters’

    This is the funniest thing I have read on this site. Reads like a line from a bad anarchist play.
    Have you all moved so far to the right that you are meeting the extreme anarchists on the way around that cirsle of ideology.

  4. This Onward Christian Soldiers themed march had about as much to do with the victims of 9/11 as cherry pie.

  5. I didn’t say they couldn’t protest or parade or exercise free speech. I just said their alleged motivation is baloney.

  6. If the mayor has allowed militant Islamists to march then he should allow their opponents to do so too. If his ban was unable to be overturned by a judge then it makes mockery of freedom of association statutes.

  7. Mahons – if anything qualifies as being described as ‘baloney’ it’s your comment.

  8. Mahons,

    it was a general point. I wasn’t responding to your comment, I hadn’t seen it when I posted.

  9. Guardian Apostate: As far as I can tell their website doesn’t mention a single victim of 9/11. They are using 9/11 to advance their anti-Islam cause. It is certainly their right to combat what they see as the Islamification of Europe. But let us not pretend that this was a 9/11 memorial. The actual tragedy seems incidental to their cause.

  10. Colm –

    If the mayor has allowed militant Islamists to march then he should allow their opponents to do so too.

    Of course, in a civilsed nation a town mayor would have nothing to say on the matter, and would be slapped down by the judiciary if he did.

    But we’re talking about a European nation here. Therefore, citizens may only do what the state allows them to do. It’s the opposite of our Anglo Saxon culture, in which we’re free to do as we please unless it is specifically prohibited.

    Well, it’s the opposite for just a little while longer. Then the Common Law is abolished and we’ll only be able to do that which we’ll be allowed – just like those people in Brussels.

  11. Of course the main aim of the march was to protest against the growing influence of Islam in Europe. That the march was on the anniversary of 9/11 was in itself a reminder of exactly what some elements within Islam are capable of. Mahons seemed to, rather contemptuously, claim that those on the march were unconcerned about the victims of 9/11. How would he know?

    For those who want to search for the 200 hooligans I’d strongly advise taking a look at the video liked from this post by Laban Tall at UK Commentators.

    http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2007/09/sioe-demonstration-brussels-september.html

    ‘The grey-haired man whom we see being attacked by the police first is Luk Van Nieuwenhuysen, the Vice-President of the Flemish Parliament’.

  12. PETE

    We are no different here in our anglo saxon culture. Those wishing to organise street marches need the permission of local authorities in agreement with the local police. You cannot just decide to have a march without informing anyone.

  13. Colm –

    Well yes. To protest within a mile of Parliament, for example, we must ask for permission – a prime example of how our country is being taken from us. But at least Parliament held a sham debate before passing their unconstitutional Bill. The mayor of Brussels issued his decree werely because he can.

  14. "I didn’t say they couldn’t protest or parade or exercise free speech. I just said their alleged motivation is baloney."

    I’m still not aware of anyone but you who thinks this is meant to be a ‘Memorial Rally’, Mahons. The site doesnt appear to even imply that it is, let alone claim it outright.

    "This is the funniest thing I have read on this site. Reads like a line from a bad anarchist play."

    There has rarely been a more politicised group of Police Forces in Europe than those at this point in time. They are being used more and more not to stop crime or to protect the public (especially not to protect the public), but to enforce the engineering of social change.

  15. Mr. Smith gets of his butt and makes a genuine physical effort to put his money and time where his mouth is, and all he gets are nit-picking, prissy comments.

    Bad show, you lot of turncoats. Bad show.

  16. Wow Mr. Smith. Thanks for your eyewitness report.

    The right to free speech and also to peaceably assemble are no-brainers in western civ.

    I think it’s too bad – no matter what their motivations as per Mahons (how can he know?) – that they were not allowed to say what they wanted to say, whether is was palatable to some or not, whether you question their sincerity or not. They ought to be able to get together and condemn islam and scream it at the top of their lungs. It was, afterall, MUSLIM MEN who killed all those people on 9/11 – in the name of islam. We’re not allowed to say that now in Euro-land?

    I hope someone got video of the peaceful protesters being bundled into Paddy Wagons by the SWAT teams. I’ll put THAT on my blog with a something about how Europe is lost. The Euros are quite pissed when we American say that they are lost – but it appears to be true.

  17. The police of all countries should be reminded that there are a lot more of US than them , and if it come to it there are better tactical minds in the population than in a police force .
    Given a few good tacticians , the miner could have beaten Maggies private army .

  18. Monica –

    The Euros are quite pissed when we American say that they are lost – but it appears to be true.

    Oh you underestimate the people we’re dealing with here. Even most Europeans have no idea what is going on. To give you some idea of the mindset and philosophy: in 2001, the EU’s Court of Justive ruled that it can lawfully suppress political criticism of its institutions and leading figures.

    The court, in the same judgement, ruled that persons may be punished if they "damaged the institution’s image and reputation".

    From now on, when you think of socio-political affairs and the EU, clear from your mind any notion of freedom, liberty, individual rights or due process under the law. Brussels is rapidly putting into place a another soviet state.

    In Britain, parliament has rendered our Head of State a suzerainty, handed our sovereign powers to the EU and put in place the laws of a police state. The same has happened all across the Eu nations. Above this, the treaty which soon will be imposed on us, is the constitution of a dictator.

    This is the condition of liberty in Europe. If you go against our government in Brussels, expect to get your head cracked.

  19. That’s terrible. I’m sorry to see things come to this, Pete. It’s a damn shame. I have been screaming on this blog that England must stay out of the EU – reject it entirely – and have gotten some flack for that by the more lefty persuaded commentors. I’d say come to America all freedom loving persons, but it appears that we are only allowing illegal Mexicans in.

  20. And thank you Guardian Apostate – I will check your link out. Is it the same video that Fulham has put up??

    Well – I’ll go check it out after the girls are in bed. I’ve got to get the little one out of her bath and bundled into her pajamas.

  21. Monica,

    you watch out for America, cos the same things are happening with the North American Union plans, and you’d better not expect to be told about it until it’s already happened. Softly, softly is the way it’s done.

  22. Believe me, RC, the plan to which you refer is getting plenty of press and many Americans are up in arms about it. I am against much of it, of course, but I am still allowing the conspiracy nuts to wind down about it a bit. We need to bring some sanity to the fight.

  23. That’s what you get when you go ahead with a BANNED march. It was banned, correct?

    I recall an ATW commentator or two suggesting that the marchers on Bloody Sunday had only themselves to blame…as that particular march had been banned as well.

  24. Banned because it had the potential to attract neo nazis and get out of control. They were right. Correct call.

  25. Im with Bernard;

    Mr. Smith gets of his butt and makes a genuine physical effort to put his money and time where his mouth is, and all he gets are nit-picking, prissy comments.

    Bad show, you lot of turncoats. Bad show.

  26. One thing Labour has done for this country, is to spread the infant school playground method of silencing and humiliating opponents with the ignorant use of name calling and closed ears. Their followers can be found posting under various names, posting in the comments sections of online blogs like this one. Ignorance is an easy bandwagon to jump on. That’s why they have spread like a cancer throughout "Britain." No wonder the politicians prefer not to improve basic education. Couldn’t have people questioning the master’s orders now, could we?
    The New Labour/ EU Motto must surely be – "I don’t agree with what you say, so you must die in a ditch to protect me from other opinions."
    These are the ones who threaten our democracy; not those who protest peacefully.

  27. I know for a fact that this protest has been organised for many months and the police informed well in advance. What exactly were they doing wrong, apart from embarassing their masters in Brussels?
    The EU is getting more and more like Hitler’s version of Europe as the months go by.
    The way they pounced on and mishandled that grey haired gentleman was appalling.
    Shame on them and shame on those who support violent and oppressive governments.

  28. "in 2001, the EU’s Court of Justive ruled that it can lawfully suppress political criticism of its institutions and leading figures."

    Pete,

    What case was this?

  29. Make sure you YES on the poll on this site. Start writing letters to the press, saying you will vote the party who takes us out of the EU.
    DO NOT VOTE FOR THE RABID SCOT, GORDON BROWN – He broke his election promise of a referendum. You cannot trust this man to tell the truth. ESPECIALLY if you live in England, because especially hates the English. If you don’t believe me, visit a cancer ward. The scots get the life saving drugs for free (paid for by the Englis tax payer), but the English aren’t allowed them.

  30. "in 2001, the EU’s Court of Justive ruled that it can lawfully suppress political criticism of its institutions and leading figures."

    I presume you are referring to Connolly v Commission (Case C-274/99 P). If so, you are quoting out of context a tad (to put it mildly).

    This case involved an employee of the Commission who (when on leave) published a book called "The Rotten Heart of Europe" and, in doing so breached Article 17 of the Commission’s Staff Regulations and thus was subject to disciplinary proceedings – he was eventually sacked.

    After losing his case in the CFI, he appealed to the ECJ and one of his pleas related to freedom of expression.

    As I understand it, the ECJ held that his right to freedom of expression was not breached as he was free to publish his book if he so wished; however, if in doing so, he breached staff regulations and potentially damaged the good name of the Commission, it had the right to take disciplinary action.

    Hardly a disproportionate attack on freedom of speech. If you were on leave and wrote a book about how evil/corrupt/crap your employer was despite this being prohibited by staff regulations would you expect to keep your job?!!!

  31. This particular event trumpted itself as a tribute to the victims of 9/11, when in fact a review of their site indicates that that is not their primary aim.

    There is much to be said for resisting the impostion of Islamic Law and even of certain Islamic values upon the population. Brussels itself has striking demographics that this particular Mayor was pandering to. But I think the protestors attmept to cloak themselves in 9/11 was a mistake.

  32. >>wrote a book about how evil/corrupt/crap your employer was despite this being prohibited by staff regulations would you expect to keep your job?!!!<<

    Reg, and the employer would be within his rights in sacking you, as employee loyalty is part of labour law in most countries, I presume.

  33. >>There is much to be said for resisting the impostion of Islamic Law and even of certain Islamic values upon the population.<<

    But probably not much of it is sensible. This seems to assume that there is some formidable force trying to impose Islamic values and law in Europe. There isn’t. Their prophets in this godless desert can pray and shout all they like in their mosques – Europe isn’t listening to them.
    This is also linked to the absurd idea that Muslims in Europe will some day dominate the rest of us, when in fact the opposite is the case. There is a much higher percentage of Muslims here losing their faith and abandoning their religion and customs in favour of the many joys that Europe offers than of Muslim immigrants becoming more fundamentalist. And as regards inter-faith conversions, I’d say the number of Muslim drop-outs outnumbers conversions to Islam by at least 100 to 1 !

    So, if anyone in the West really wants to weaken Islam in the world, you know what to do – bring ’em on!

  34. "Reg, and the employer would be within his rights in sacking you, as employee loyalty is part of labour law in most countries, I presume."

    I’m not sure, Noel.

    Anyway, you’d still have broken internal regulations AND possibly libelled your employer. The right to freedom of expression (I think it’s Art 10 of the ECHR) is not unfettered.

  35. Noel: Well in this case I think there was pandering to the Muslim community in Brussels which is substantial. I don’t go for the all Muslims bad school of thought, but I think attempts to bend certain western values to placate Muslim sensibilities is mistaken.

  36. Interesting link, Noel.

    Aside from breaching internal regulations and being defamation/libel there is, of course, the matter of the contract of employment.

    Even if behaviour (such as that of Mr Connolly) is not expressly forbidden therein it could be argued that it is implicitly a breach of the contract of employment.

  37. Reg –

    You’re not understanding my context. I raised the case as an example of the mindset and philosophy of the enemy.

    Initially, the EU’s Court of First Instance ruled that the EU has an "undefined – and seemingly unlimited – power to restrict political criticism in ‘the general interests of the Communities".

    When the case went to the ECJ, the EU’s EU’s advocate- general defended Connolly’s sacking not on the grounds of loyalty to an employer, but on the grounds that the book was "injurious to the good name of the Commission". He also stated that criticism of the EU is akin to blasphemy and can be restricted without violating rights to free expression.

    In any case, unmasking corruption and illegality in government is the right and moral thing to do. How interesting that you side automatically with the EU here.

    If BP one day sacks an employee for publishing details of BP-Nigerian government corruption, no doubt we’ll see you back BP.

  38. Pete,

    You implied that the ECJ suppressed criticism of the EU and is an attack on freedom of speech.

    There was no question over whether Mr Connolly could publish his book. He could and did.

    The case was about an EMPLOYEE of the Commission who a) breached staff regulations (he could have sought prior permission to publish his book but didn’t bother); b) probably libelled his employer (hence the "injurious to the good name…" statement); and c)probably breached his contract of employment (either expressly or implicitly).

    Was it incorrect to sack him? If you were his employer what would you have done?

    "He also stated that criticism of the EU is akin to blasphemy"

    That is a lie! The AG was making the point that freedom of expression (under Art 10 of the ECHR) is not unfettered – e.g. it is limited by laws against blasphemy and so on. He did not compare criticism of the EU to blasphemy!

  39. Oh you underestimate the people we’re dealing with here. Even most Europeans have no idea what is going on.

    judging by the scale of the protest i would say it is these protestors who are on the fringe of the debate. their numbers speak volumes.

    That’s terrible. I’m sorry to see things come to this

    monica, id suggest you look at your own backyard. the police have been highly politicised in your country very recently during an RNC. Where they scooped up anti-war protestors and interned them in fenced off camps. Thats not even state over the people, thats PARTY over the people.

    I disagree just as strongly with the reaction to this protest in Brussels, but dont pretend like your country is in any better shape.

  40. "..spread the infant school playground method of silencing and humiliating opponents with the ignorant use of name calling and closed ears. Their followers can be found posting under various names, posting in the comments sections of online blogs like this one. Ignorance is an easy bandwagon to jump on."

    John – which ones of us are you referring to?? 😉

    Also – I seem to hear angry squeaking – did any of you hear it?

  41. Good morning, Monica. I assume John is talking about supporters of the Labour party since that is the focus of all of his other comments. BTW, which media outlets in the USA have been reporting on the NAU? I have not seen/heard it discussed anywhere other than the Internet. Even reporting on the Mexican trucks issue never raises the specter of the North American Union except in the blogosphere.

    How’s the move coming?

  42. Oh – I don’t read the local paper, Alan. I have discussed the issue with many, many people, my neighbors and members of my community – – and also members of my family across the USA. Everyone is VERY upset about it. Especially those relatives in Colorado. I have had many conversations with the same people about other issues – the sad state of Europe, or the situation in Iraq, and they seem to be quite ignorant about THOSE subjects. But – oh boy. Start talking about the NAU and the Mexican superhighway and they’re ready to take up arms. The best gauge of my America is down at the corner store, where people hang out drinking coffee sneaking cigarettes and talking politics. 😉

    The moving is awful, Alan! Thank you for asking though. I’m a mess. The house is a mess. I have inspectors crawling through my house every other day. A buyer who’s a maniac – apparently. Thank God the girls are good girls and school is going quite well. We sign the lease on the farmhouse in Lancaster County next week. We have to look on the bright side of things, don’t we?

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