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I am sure that you, like me, are impressed with the riches of the multiculturalist agenda Leftists have forced upon us, although they do seem to provide a few problems..

” A teenage boy was accused of witchcraft and tortured to death on Christmas Day by his older sister and her partner, the Old Bailey heard today.

Kristy Bamu, 15, suffered 101 injuries after being subjected to “a prolonged attack of unspeakable savagery and burtality,” the jury was told. His face and head were coverd in deep cuts and bruises and his teeth had been remobved and loosened, the court heard.

When police arrived at the tower block flat in Forest Gate they found blood stained pliers, a hammer, a chisel, pieces of wood and a block of knives. “Many of these items were to become part of the armoury of weapons used to beat (Kristy’s sisters) and to torture Kristy to death,” said prosecutor Brian Altman QC. Kristy’s two brothers and two other sisters were standing in the flat hysterical, terrified and – like Kristy – soaking wet.”

London – 2012. Still, we mustn’t be judgemental.

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  1. Hooray! Multi-culturalism is working great as planned…let’s celebrate this…..or maybe wonder when we sank to these depths, why and what politicians made it so.

  2. What can you say to that? I don’t understand how we’ve allowed such savages into our country.

  3. ” A teenage boy was accused of witchcraft and tortured to death on Christmas Day by his older sister and her partner, the Old Bailey heard today.
    Kristy Bamu, 15, suffered 101 injuries after being subjected to “a prolonged attack of unspeakable savagery and brutality,” the jury was told. His face and head were covered in deep cuts and bruises and his teeth had been removed and loosened,”

    Not to worry.
    I’m sure some college or other with a multicultural ethos, will soon be offering university accredited
    “How to achieve competency in African Witchcraft” courses,
    which Eric Bikubi could attend courtesy of the taxpayer.
    After all, as some on ATW insist on saying:
    “All Cultures and Religions are of Equal Value”.

    Happy New Year everyone!

  4. Sue – did you vote in any of the previous general elections? If so, for which party?

  5. A terrible crime. But I don’t think you have a lot of witchcraft-related murders. One can make serious argumetns about excessive immigration, but this is hardly one of them.

  6. Mahons –

    There aren’t alot of African witchcraft-related murders, but there have been some in recent years.

    Some celebrate this rich diversity, I think they shouldn’t be here anyway. The boy who was murdered in this case is Congolese. No-one had any business bringing him here. The state had no business allowing them here.

  7. Who would be authorized to not allow them there?

    You want the state as toothless as possible, presumably they should not even have a UK Border Agency.

    Some libertarians want no controls of any kind on immigration
    http://mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_4.pdf

    Imagine there’s no countries
    Imagine all the pee pull
    Landing at your door

  8. Has anyone else noticed the editing of comments after they have been posted, and seemingly, not by the author of the original post?

  9. Phantom –

    Walter Block is an anarchist who enjoys rattling people’s bars. His book Defending the Undefendable is typical of him. He likes riling people but as I said, he’s an anarchist and not a typical libertarian.

    Being anti-mass immigration is perfectly in line with libertarian thought.

  10. Mahons,
    ” But I don’t think you have a lot of witchcraft-related murders”
    This wasn’t an English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh witchcraft related outrage,
    it was an African witchcraft atrocity.
    And they ARE on the increase.
    Funnily enough, it seems to have a direct connection to the increasing numbers of Africans living amongst us.
    FewsOrange:
    “Of course white Britons are as pure as the driven snow….”

    What a stupid comment from you!
    Are you then saying that we should welcome to our shores criminals and violent crime of all kinds, because native Britons have also committed violent crime?
    That is nonsensical.
    The point is that we have enough criminals of our own without importing extra. We have plenty of bloody Irish travellers living here.
    Does that mean we should import the entire Gypsy population of Romania to take up residence??
    Get my drift Fews?

  11. Agit8ed and/or Pete – How many witchcraft-related murders are there? While 1 is obviously too many I would n’t think it is representative of that immigrant community, most of whom I trust would be horrified by such an occurrence.

    I fully support sane limits on immigration, there have to be restrictions or else you get chaos. But this type of violent incident seems pretty isolated and as such not really immigration-related.

  12. Mahons –

    I’ll answer with two or three seperate comments since you can only post immediately with one link in each comment.

    1) Recently there was this case of a boy cut up and dumped in the Thames.

  13. 2) There was also this case of a tortured girl. Note the opening line on the piece:

    “Hundreds of central African children living in the UK may have suffered abuse or even been killed after being accused of witchcraft, charities say.”

  14. 3) There was also this recent TV documentary, “Britain’s Witch Children”, on Channel 4:

    “Dispatches goes undercover in some African churches in the UK, where evangelical pastors perpetuate a strong belief in witchcraft. They preach that some people are possessed by evil spirits, and that these spirits bring bad luck into the lives of others […]

    Often it is children who are denounced as witches by these pastors, and this labelling can lead to the physical and emotional abuse of those children at the hands of their families. In extreme cases it has led to the deaths of some children.”

  15. Mahons,
    Follow the links…
    http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/charity-news/archive/2009/11/witch-children-in-africa

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0210_020510_tv_witchcraft.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1491422/Dozens-of-African-children-beaten-abused-and-accused-of-witchcraft-say-detectives.html

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/child.abuse.exorcism.unveiled.among.evangelical.african.churches.in.uk/3078.htm

    Mahons,
    It is not so many years ago in the West that we believed in working towards ever more civilised and just societies. We seem to have given up on that one, in favour of a consumer society in search of affordable luxury and leisure.
    America has a looooong history of cultural assimilation, Great Britain has not. By and large it has been a stable and homogenous white society, with small numbers of Europeans (usually) seeking religious freedom within the Christian tradition. And Jews.
    NOT large numbers of people from non Christian cultures..
    In any case, how many murders of this type do you think we should tolerate before expressing some sense of alarm??

  16. Mahons –

    I imagine it would be difficult given a free hand to do so, but police and other authorities are paralysed because the churches and culprits are black and the greatest fear of any staff is to be accused of racism. Just the accusation will kill your career.

  17. Pete 543

    But without a highly competent state, you can never stop immigration, especially now that it has run riot in all the countries near you. Someone must control your coasts and airports.

  18. Pete – I suspect you are right and that political correctness might very well be a factor that limits attempts to curb this withccraft issue among that group of churches and immigrants. Someone has to stand up, and it would behoove that community (which I presume includes people with modern and educated perspectives) to assist in eradicating this type of dangerous ignorance.

    I was surprised to read witchcraft is still in the peanl law of the Congo (and people are actually imprisoned for it). UNICEF, hardly a right wing organization, but the UN organization I have the most time for, has highlighted the real danger of these practices in central Africa which I imagined is what you have seen spilled into the UK.

    A appalling and scary issue, far more widespread than I had believed when I first read this post.

  19. This issue should be discussed without the necessity to introduce silly generalised nonsesne abiut ‘multi-culturalism’ or claiming this is what happens when you allow Africans to live here. Children can be and are abused and killed by vicious cowardly parents relatives and others in every country and culture and amongst all races. There should most definitely not be any politically correct sensitivities when dealing with these criminal tortures of defenceless children but neither should it be sued to damn whole segments of the population due to sharing a racal background with the perpretators.

  20. … or claiming this is what happens when you allow Africans to live here.

    But it does.

  21. Whoah!

    What is happening here?!
    Comments are being posted, then disappear…
    then reappear again.

  22. “Being anti-mass immigration is perfectly in line with libertarian thought.”

    Only in so far as so many libertarians are able come up with tortured arguments for things they already believe, and pretend they worked it out from first principles.

    It’s pretty clear that in a libertarian world if an individual wants to come here and somebody else wants to give them a job, then (as long as they can pay their way and there is no reason to suppose that individual is a threat to you), it’s not any of your business. Indeed to use force to interfere in such an voluntary transaction would be destruction of wealth and therefore theft, from both the immigrant and their employer.

    That argument doesn’t change with scale, either, so weaseling about ‘mass’ immigration wouldn’t cut it. To a libertarian there is no ‘mass’ there is only individuals and their property. And in fact as libertarian arguments go, this is one of the better ones and I tend to agree with it.

    As to the main post let’s not pretend that anyone who sees this as an immigration story actually gives a rat’s ass about the child, as if not allowing the child into the country and leaving them where these beliefs are even more widespread would have been for their own safety.

  23. Frank

    Your common sense and unfailing logic have been sorely missed here on ATW

    Agit8ed

    You are really being daft tonight.

  24. It’s pretty clear that in a libertarian world if an individual wants to come here and somebody else wants to give them a job, then (as long as they can pay their way and there is no reason to suppose that individual is a threat to you), it’s not any of your business. Indeed to use force to interfere in such an voluntary transaction would be destruction of wealth and therefore theft, from both the immigrant and their employer.

    The libertarian arguments don’t make a lot of sense when subjected to scrutiny.

    The above is absolutely what lots of them do say, and what lots of employers who like cheap labor, etc say too.

    So much of the libertarian arguments center on money alone, without any context or ” liberty ” alone without any context.

    These things only make sense when all the libertarian / communist / capitalist texts are set aside, and you approach things from the point of view of ” what makes sense? ” and not ” what would ( this or that Dear Leader ) say ”

    There are such things as competing interests and competing rights, and the purists of all stripes never admit to this. You’d certainly increase the GNP of the Isle of Man by importing ten million hard working Cantonese there. Perhaps some rich Manx guy would want to hire them all to work on a plasma TV plant on his own land.

    But is that what the Manx want? It’s their call, and only theirs, for whatever reasons they choose, and forget about the textbook.

  25. Agit8ed – Comments posted, disappear and then reappear? And you ask what is happening – why clearly witchcraft.

    (Too soon?).

  26. Worse than that Mahons – FOREIGN witchcraft 😉 That’s what happens when you let non-Brits edit A Tangled Web 😉

  27. Frank O’Dwyer –

    Well yes, but you make the common mistake of assuming there’s a monolithic block of libertarian thought. It’s as varied as any philosophy, probably more so than any political philosophy.

    Given how libertarians tend view the world around them, they realise the limits of state coercion and that civil society (for example, in Britain) is shaped less than people think by government but more by societal culture.

    A nation with as rich a social history as Britain has natural forces that keep it bound together as a society. These characteristics include tangibles such as the English language but, of equal significance, there will also be a common culture, a sense of shared identity, a reasonably cohesive civil society and a widely-accepted set of assumptions, traditions, customs and norms.

    It’s this common culture which, in my view, greatly aided our astonishing economic growth from the 16th-Century onwards because it fostered a trust within society which became manifest in, for example property and contract law. That trust can only have developed in a society with many common attributes.

    Libertarians tend to recognise that these common attributes inevitably break down with mass immigration.

  28. Ditch the label ( any label ) , and address each issue one by one based on what makes sense.

    A thinking person will never come down conservative / lefty / libertarian every time. It is impossible.

  29. Phantom –

    Well, yes.

    It’s noted that some come down statist almost all the time and a few kranks come down Republican every time.

  30. Libertarians tend to recognise that these common attributes inevitably break down with mass immigration.

    To take a devils advocate stance

    So what if they do?

    Loads of ” British ” don’t know anything about British culture and traditions and laws. Others despise your ways and are not shy about saying so.

    What right has ” the state ” to prod these people to accept any British traditions?”

  31. It’s noted that some come down statist almost all the time and a few kranks come down Republican every time.

    Those arguments tend to come from those who oppose taxpayer paid education / fire departments, evidence of life wasted away in a libertarian intellectual slum, apart from the world where people live.

  32. Phantom –

    That many know little about their culture, traditions and laws, and that many have come here who despise our ways, is very much because of state acts against the British people.

    It’s not just that people have immigrated. Much immigration over the last six decades has been induced and motivated by the state. The presence of immigrants is a common reason for the state to loot us (for example, to provide the welfare which attracts tham), and it’s a common reason for the state to further erode our liberties (for example, by restricting our freedom to speak freely or discuss candidly what kind of society we’d like).

    While I recognise great limits on the right of the state to prod immigrants in the way you suggest, it’s by the by. With natural social pressures, immigrants would have assimilated to a far greater extent than they have. Indeed, it’s the state which has erected great barriers, at great cost to us, to Balkanise society and prevent assimilation.

  33. Surely it’s time that third worlders were banned from entering this country as it is too dangerous for the poor darlings.

  34. I believe that immigration to the UK from Funkytown started in the postwar period when there were labor shortages and the factory owners needed cheap hands?

    State sponsored balkanization does happen, from what you describe and from what we at times see here.

    But there are anti assimilation forces there now that have nothing to do with the state. Those ( few? many? ) who call for sharia, for halal food in the schools and jails, who attend Dr. Hook hate lectures, those generally aren’t government guys but are those from the streets, the streets that used to by yours.

    And it isn’t just the state that imposes an attractive welfare magnet to every Somali with a sad story to tell. Lots of your self styled humanitarians giggling in the fine West End restaurants want that too. Hell, plenty of people on this site have no problem with it.

    Did your Thatchers and other Conservatives take action to stop – not slow, stop – this immigration?

    Even in the absence of ALL welfare, it will always be better to be a bum in the gutter in London than to be the King of Somalia. And there will always be some happy to work for a pound a day plus food in the UK since it beats no food and no pound in Kenya. So unless you want a strong state is prepared to remove all magnets, including private employment magnets, you will never win this war.

  35. I have said it before and I will say it again. Pete isn’t a principled liberarian against the State, he is essentially no different in his basic attitude to the state than 99% of us. He wants the state to be strong in pushing the things he approves of and to butt out of things he doesn’t approve them doing. Just like everyone else.

  36. There is a state and there will be a state.

    As, in any country worth living in, there will be a successful private sector.

    ” Statist ” has joined ” socialist ” as words that in isolation don’t mean anything.

  37. Pete,

    “a common culture, a sense of shared identity, a reasonably cohesive civil society and a widely-accepted set of assumptions, traditions, customs and norms. […] Libertarians tend to recognise that these common attributes inevitably break down with mass immigration.”

    That argument is based on a dubious premise, and besides it works as well against the free exchange of ideas as the free movement of people. For that matter it would work as well to prevent people leaving the country as entering it – after all they may return with dangerous foreign notions, mightn’t they? And what if that caught on?

    Your country and its customs and norms have been changed more by the Beatles (or Hollywood, or for that matter libraries), and global trade, than any immigration has ever done or ever could.

    It’s also a bit rich for you to argue against the free movement of people based on a shared history of colonialism.

    Phantom,

    “These things only make sense when all the libertarian / communist / capitalist texts are set aside, and you approach things from the point of view of ” what makes sense? ” and not ” what would ( this or that Dear Leader ) say ”

    It’s about following principles not following texts and leaders. Or at least it should be about that.

  38. Yes.

    If any adult always agree with any party or any ideology or especially any other person, they’re simply not thinking. They’re intellectually dead, not worth listening to.

  39. Your country and its customs and norms have been changed more by the Beatles (or Hollywood, or for that matter libraries), and global trade, than any immigration has ever done or ever could.

    I disagree. Not The Beatles, not Hollywood, not libraries and not global trade did this: it is immigration, and from the 3rd-world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=related

    As for ‘principles and texts’, ideas do exist in all cultures and races except for sub-Saharan Africans. What philosophies, theories of law etc were found from that race which hadn’t even invented the wheel when whites went into Africa and caused their populations to explode by bringing them medicine? Put it like this: the ancient peoples of Egypt, Rome, Persia, Greece, China were all further advanced 2 – 3,000 years ago than Africans were when encountered in the 1800’s.

  40. “Not The Beatles, not Hollywood, not libraries and not global trade did this: it is immigration, and from the 3rd-world.”

    Oh Allan – Wales is pretty bad but it’s not the 3rd world.

    “As for ‘principles and texts’, ideas do exist in all cultures and races except for sub-Saharan Africans. What philosophies, theories of law etc were found from that race”

    Indeed given that the human race originated in Africa, all of them.

    “that race which hadn’t even invented the wheel”

    Almost all “races” didn’t invent the wheel. The American civilisations didn’t invent it either, for example.

    Most inventions are just accidents of history that spread by people borrowing and adapting them once they see them. Other inventions or discoveries are obvious enough based on what’s gone before that they get invented (somewhat) independently around the same time by different people (e.g. calculus, natural selection). The wheel wasn’t one of them.

  41. Colm,
    “You are really being daft tonight.”
    Partly true and partly not.

    The real issue is this. A State which accepts anything and everything, which denigrates the values which shaped it, and embraces with respect and reverence the values of other less successful nations, is destined to fail.
    It is the fear of appearing morally superior morally or culturally which will help that process along to its inevitable collapse.

    The focus of this thread is a case illustrating a barbaric, and ignorant, and intimidating world view – which is shared by many coming from the continent of Africa and setting up shop here.
    As I have said many times before, I do not blame ANYONE for taking the opportunity to settle here in this country. I would if I were desperate,starving and persecuted.
    I blame successive governments for making it possible.
    If it were up to me, I would have stopped large scale immigration YEARS ago!I would have had a national moratorium, a long think about WHY we wanted so many immigrants, and how we were going to ensure a successful assimilation of our new residents.
    What do we have now?
    Witchcraft
    Demon possession and exorcism of children and adults
    Honour killings
    Asian gangs exploiting and abusing young schoolgirls
    People trafficking and exploitation of young children
    Exploitation of foreign workers
    Home grown terrorism
    Disrespect and attacks on our way of life by those who do not share our values
    Eastern European gangs controlling shoplifting, begging, pickpocketing and selling the Big Issue.
    I don’t believe in multiculturalism, full stop. Nothing to do with individuals , EVERYTHING to do with principles, and learning the lessons from history.
    This is NOT what my parents’ generation fought for, and it is no longer a country I would fight for.

  42. Agit8ed

    Of course their are good arguments against mass immigration and of course we are entitled to expect and demand that everyone who lives here abides by rules laws and standards pertaining to our way of life and agreed concensus, but the point that I was making is that this was an individual horrific crime against a child which is not common amongst Africans, and we are not being asked to accept is as a ‘cultural practise’ It was wrong lazy and cheap to turn this individual criminal case into an attack on Immigration or a whole racial group. The vast majority of African people manage to go through life without feeling the need to torture their children for suspected whichcraft and would be as horrified by this case as the rest of us.

    Arguments aganst multi-culturalism and mass immigration are perfectly valid but not by using this child’s vicious murder as an example of ‘what foreigners do’ – any more than that Man in Leeds who shot his family last weekend is an example of ‘what Britons’ do’

  43. Why should there be any immigration from Funkytown?

    By saying ” mass immigration ” it implies that there is an acceptable level, one less than a huge mass.

  44. Ah, witchcraft, a most un-English phenomenon. Here’s Pete Moore:

    It’s this common culture which, in my view, greatly aided our astonishing economic growth from the 16th-Century onwards because it fostered a trust within society

    The 16th century you say? Now that rings a bell:

    Witchcraft persecutions really began in England in 1563 with the statute of Elizabeth I, much later than elsewhere in Europe, but did not really become fully developed until the reign of James I. Various estimates have been given of the number of persons hanged as witches in England during the period of laws against witchcraft ( 1542-1736) but the probable number is around 1,000. The first person definitely known to be hanged for witchcraft in modern times was Agnes Waterhouse at Chelmsford in 1566, the last was Alice Molland at Exeter in 1684. The last person to be found guilty of the crime of witchcraft was in 1712 when Jane Wenham, the Wise Woman of Walkern. She was reprieved.

    Nothing like a good old witch trial for fostering trust 🙂

  45. Colm,
    Here’s another interesting webpage on the subject…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/05/witch-hunt-witchcraft-accused-killed

    Now is this something to be welcomed or something to be concerned about?
    If we should simply welcome it as a manifestation of cultural diversity, why the Hell did this country set about abolishing Slavery, Suttee and foot binding?
    Why did we introduce basic hygiene and education to people who lived in poverty and fear under the spell of their tribal gods and spirits?
    Now we see all these things manifesting in our own society.
    Brilliant.

    Troll,
    When it comes to caring about what is happening to your country, winning and losing don’t come into it!

  46. Agit8ed

    Oh you really have got a bee in your bonnet about this case haven’t you. You need to take a nice mug of Horlicks and go and lie down (says Colm in deeply patronising to the elderly voice) 😉

  47. Colm,
    My final word on this!
    It is NOT this particular case, it is that in my view it represents a growing backwards trend in this country towards beliefs and practices which are against all I have been taught and believe as an Englishman, born of generations of Englishmen from the North East. For all its faults and failings I am/was proud of that England. There was a sense of historical continuity, stability and familiarity.

    It has NOTHING to do with pretending we don’t have evil people of our own who do evil things, and everything to do with the disintegration and capitulation of our own cultural identity and values.

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