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A year ago one may have been able to write (pun intended) whether Spain’s 20th Century Dictator would be removed from the Valley of the Fallen “remains to be seen.”
Now it looks like a done deal. It is appropriate that he be removed from the burial site that includes thousands of people whose deaths he was culpable. At last call bartenders of my aquaitance have said “you dont have to go home but you cant stay here.” Franco’s family wants him buried in a Cathedral near his daughter. The Government is too worried about security and seems inclined to bury him elsewhere – with Mrs. Franco. I don’t recall their marital situation but I was suprised they were not together already. Perhaps she was disappointed in him, thinking a Ruler should have 12 inches.
Civil Wars tend to leave a mark. Witness the various stories of statue removal here in the US of Confederate icons. In Spain, the wounds are more recent and less healed. Removing a culprit of so much sorrow from hallowed ground is an important step on the road to recovery.

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18 thoughts on “Generalisimo Francisco Franco is Still Dead

  1. Thanks Mahons – important decision. Needed to be done to turn the valley of the fallen into a proper civil war memorial rather than a glorification of fascism.

    Agree would be good to get Paul’s take…

  2. //Civil Wars tend to leave a mark. Witness the various stories of statue removal here in the US of Confederate icons. In Spain, the wounds are more recent and less healed. //

    And the crimes are infinitely more heinous. Up to 200,000 people were murdered by right-wing militias under Franco during the Civil War, including women. In the early months of the war, when the Nationalists captured a town or city, they would simply march out all supporters of the government, men and women alike and massacre them. Even some right-wing journalists were so appalled that they called for restraint. The Bishop of Malaga, for example, instructed the soldiers to keep their massacres away from wells, and to conduct them on land not hazardous for public health of the next generation. Mass rape of female Republican (i.e. government) sympathisers was also practiced as policy. Moorish soldiers in Franco’s army were employed for this purpose. They even broadcast imminent rapes by Moors in advance.
    Near Seville, Nationalist soldiers raped a truckload of female prisoners, chucked their bodies down a well, and paraded around town with their rifles draped with their victim’s underwear.

    There were hundreds of monuments built around Spain commemorating the heroism of these soldiers and their leader in the decades after the war.

    //, thinking a Ruler should have 12 inches.//

    🙂 That one’ll be told in my house this evening after the kids have gone to bed.

  3. That’s a history that should not be forgotten.

    But just maybe we can talk about Republican atrocities as well?

  4. I’m just watching the afternoon news here and they’re reporting that the Supreme Court have ratified the decision. Supreme Court’s seem to be very busy today.

    Removing a culprit of so much sorrow from hallowed ground is an important step on the road to recovery.

    Well said Mahons.

    I’ve already made my feelings on the issue known last year lads:

    DEM BONES, DEM BONES, DEM DRY BONES

    But just maybe we can talk about Republican atrocities as well?

    Why? The issues not about atrocities but as to why a dictator’s remains should be removed from an icon to dictatorship. There are no monuments to the Republic.

    And, I believe you’ve also done a fair bit of it on the link above.

  5. //But just maybe we can talk about Republican atrocities as well?//

    We can, but the comparision will just make Franco’s crimes appear all the more awful.

  6. Paul

    There is a fellow named Noel here who you should know about. He was talking about nationalist atrocities. I responded to those comments.

    They should maybe remove the cross as well

    There would be plenty of anti religious victims that era. They would not necessarily welcome the triumphalist cross.

  7. Indeed Phantom, but perhaps you missed this:

    The issues not about atrocities but as to why a dictator’s remains should be removed from an icon to dictatorship. There are no monuments to the Republic.

    As another poster here recently said, you don’t do patronising very well.

    The fact of the matter is that Spain fought a vicious, brutal civil war for three years where all sides committed horrific atrocities. In the wake of the civil war there was a reign of terror which lasted over 35 years.

    That’s what the ostentatiousness of the monument with its architecht centre stage celebrates and represents.

    Personally if I had my way I’d cremate the remains to dust and throw it in the sea.

  8. In the wake of the civil war there was a reign of terror which lasted over 35 years

    That’s also correct and that’s what the monument, some of it built with forced / slave labour, was meant to represent. A palace for the dead with the king holding centre court.

  9. //brutal civil war for three years where all sides committed horrific atrocities. //

    Yep, and all sides in Poland committed horrific atrocities during WW2 – the Nazis, the Poles, the Soviets, the Ukrainians.

    I never understand how people can talk about the Holocaust without mentioning the crimes of the Poles, but they do.

  10. Yes, the Republican side committed many atrocities and that should be highlighted but a) it was not govt policy (unlike on t’other side) and b) re the inevitable WW2 comparison – it still doesn’t make them the bad guys…that would be the fascists who overthrew the democratic govt

  11. Lads, just to remind you that the blog’s about removing the monster from the monstrousity.

    If we want to rehash old comments there’s always the ‘Dem Bones’ thread linked to above.

  12. You can’t add new comments to that thread.

    For some reason now, you are only allowed to add comments to a post for a certain amount of time.

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