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wiran130.jpgWondered what your thoughts are on the calls from "students" in downtown Teheran for the execution of the kidnapped British sailors? I notice Amnesty rremains mute on the matter, that the UN has put out a watered-down statement and that the EU has done nothing. So, even at a time when a rogue regime kidnaps and humiliates our sailors, the "international community" watches with seeming impassivity.

But not QUITE impassively. I suspect that in many hearts, the executions called for by Ahmadinejads trained stooges, would be quietly welcomed. Just as 9/11 was welcomed. Can you imagine what the outcry would be if Israel kidnapped 15 Iranians, and that demo’s were held by "students" in Jerusalem demanding their execution? Why the BBC would go into overdrive with analysts falling over each other to denounce the Zionist entity. Just as they denounce the Bush administration. But when it comes to the 12th Imam’s Dining companion, why all is silence. They watch on and hope….

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33 thoughts on “HANG THE BRITISH….

  1. There were about six people on that demonstration in Tehran where that photo was taken. Are you saying that Iran’s leader can only muster up six stooges?

  2. >>>I suspect that in many hearts, the executions called for by Ahmadinejads trained stooges, would be quietly welcomed.<<<

    they are. and that is exactly why you should ignore them. its unadulterated proxy agitprop. infact, i suggest you look carefully at any "protests" or "demonstrations" in iran. they almost always tend to be "student" protests, generally attended by a very small group of people.

    its orchestrated specifically to hit nerves in the wests reactionary right. and it seems to work every time.

  3. I have to agree with Daytripper here. Plus their other motivation is to isolate Britain and have all sorts of confusion and sticking points within the West over this – hence the counter allegations and confessions.

    So far this hasnt worked which is why it is really crucial to get international solidarity and isolate them back and quickly – it appears to be Blairs game plan. so far, not bad. Blairs rhetoric isnt appeasement, this reads like a stand off. Iran are thumb sucking.

    If Iran are isolated and disgraced (quickly) then they will realise they are holding a burning fuse not a candle on this issue.

  4. Wasn’t the Iranian embassy, in London involved in a siege, and the shooting of a policewoman, some years ago? I think that was also a bunch of ‘students’.

    I think they got away ‘scot free’ that time as well, as they will with this escapade.

    Iran’s illustrious president has a history of hostage taking, hijacking and general cowardly behaviour, so at the very least, our ‘intelligence’ services should have been expecting something of this nature to occur.

    JG,

    "Why is "students" placed in inverted commas? "

    Because the term covers a multitude of scruffy, belligerent ne’er do wells and miscreants, as well as all those wonderful, hardworking, beer drinking folk who study so diligently at our universities!…you might say that it is a generic term for assorted lowlife…

  5. Ernest – that was the Libyan embassy – the Iranian embassy siege ended up with all the hostage takers dead after the SAS were sent in.

  6. Troll – ive been reading some god awful stuff in your press and on various blogs which has really made me wonder.

  7. Have faith we stand by you and your sailors, the blogs that you are reading are not representative of the right or of the american people of that I can assure you.

  8. Alison: I don’t know of any Americans who are anti-Bristish and would wish the sailors harm. None. If anything, Americans are blissfully unaware of how hated America is in Britain and in the EU – excepting France. (America does know that France hates her.) I understand Germany really hates America but I don’t think many Americans are aware of this.

    Daytripper: "its orchestrated specifically to hit nerves in the wests reactionary right. and it seems to work every time."

    What in the world do you mean? Ahmadinejad orchestrates demonstrations to hit the nerve of the reactionary right – the right in the West? For what purpose? So that they will bomb Iran more quickly?

    Don’t you think it makes more sense that this orchestrated demonstration, like demonstrations in all dictatorships, are staged to rally the Iranian people behind the dictator?

    I understand the mad Mullahs and Ahmadinejad are losing support in Iran; there are demonstrations against the regime on a daily basis and the US is hoping the regime will topple from within. So am I.

  9. Troll,

    Believe me, with friends like Daytripper, Cunningham et al, America does no need enemies.

  10. Troll/Patty –

    Its more the accusations that are flying around of incompetemce and cowardice etc or even of a lacklustre reaction. Really very surprising.

    Blair has just been condemned in the Guardian for being too gung ho in the face of right wing press. At the same time they ran a piece on how the sailors arent half as badly treated as in Abu Ghraib almost word for word what the Iranians said. We have enough to deal with without accusations elsewhere! (not you guys but you really should read some of the stuff out there)

    At the same time i feel allegations of lacklustre attitudes, cowardice etc are playting into the iranians hands also.

    It was an ambush. Fighting back would have been stupid not brave. We need to move on.

    Bin Laden made much of the aborted, ill-prepared and ill-fated Mogadishu operation – i think we should all get over the whys and the wherefores, handwringing and Brit bashing and focus on international unity over this.

    Ernest

    I actually think Daytripper made a fair point in this instance. Propaganda (and dividing allies) are Irans biggest weapon.

  11. MOSCOW, March 30 (RIA Novosti) – Iran’s Ambassador to Russia reiterated earlier official statements Friday that the British seamen detained allegedly for straying into Iranian territorial waters could face punishment.

    "The legal process has been launched, and if their guilt is proved, they will face punishment," Gholam Reza Ansari said in an interview with Russia’s satellite channel Vesti 24.

  12. >>>Don’t you think it makes more sense that this orchestrated demonstration, like demonstrations in all dictatorships, are staged to rally the Iranian people behind the dictator?<<<

    no. those images are for western consumption not iranian.

    >>>I understand the mad Mullahs and Ahmadinejad are losing support in Iran; there are demonstrations against the regime on a daily basis and the US is hoping the regime will topple from within. So am I.<<<

    its the only option. attacking iran will bolster the support for a regime that is barely tolerated in iran. then hopefully they can restore the liberal democracy they had in 1953 before the british and americans toppled it. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    >>>I actually think Daytripper made a fair point in this instance. Propaganda (and dividing allies) are Irans biggest weapon.<<<

    just this instance? well its a start i suppose. :X

    have a good weekend alison, et al.

  13. Alison,

    Thanks for the various corrections.

    Now see what you have done, – that I find it amazing that you understood any of DT’s points, is bad enough, but to actually encourage him with kind words is – well almost unforgiveable!…:-)

  14. which part do you not understand ernest?

    my collegues tell im great at explaining complex systems in simple terms. i can even make marketing and sales understand them. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  15. Daytripper: I’m not surprised that you understand the ins and outs of Middle Eastern propaganda as you seem well versed in this art.

    Alison: The UK is not only a friend and ally but a proud part of America’s heritage and most people with any sense know this.

    I haven’t read the blogs and reports damning the British Navy that you are talking about. Maybe what you are reading is frustration on the part of those Americans who are horrified at the kidnapping and what it means and they are mindlessly ranting because they don’t have a solution.

    Also, there are people around who even think that 9/11 was an inside job. I recently heard from a Russian/American friend who went home for a visit that there is a conspiracy going around in Russia positing that America never went to the moon, that it was all done with smoke and mirrors. I think the Left loves this stuff because it discredits America. But for most people, this kind of stuff is baloney.

    What’s seems to be missing in the media in Europe is the context surrounding the kidnapping. THis isn’t isolated. THe US and the UK have been fighting with the Iranians in Iraq some time now.

  16. Troll & Alison: just read troll’s link re: Pelosi. I’m disgusted. God forbid the Left get any more power than they already have. They are lost.

    Ernest: great link.

  17. >>>I’m not surprised that you understand the ins and outs of Middle Eastern propaganda as you seem well versed in this art.<<<

    patty, its not hard to understand. all they do is say all the things that will piss off westerners the most.

    you getting angry at their nonsense is a victory for them.

  18. A few Iranian facts:

    "Iran is a source, transit, and destination country for women and girls trafficked for the purposes of sexual exploitation and involuntary servitude; according to foreign observers, women and girls are trafficked to Pakistan, Turkey, the Persian Gulf, and Europe for sexual exploitation, while boys from Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Afghanistan are trafficked through Iran en route to Persian Gulf states where they are ultimately forced to work as camel jockeys, beggars, or laborers; Afghan women and girls are trafficked to the country for forced marriages and sexual exploitation; women and children are also trafficked internally for the purposes of forced marriage, sexual exploitation, and involuntary servitude."

    "highest percentage of the population in the world using opiates;"

    Main countries to which they export:
    "Japan 16.9%, China 11.2%, Italy 6%, South Korea 5.8%, Turkey 5.7%, Netherlands 4.6%, France 4.4%, South Africa 4.1%, Taiwan 4.1% "

    Main countries from which they import:
    "Germany 13.9%, UAE 8.4%, China 8.3%, Italy 7.1%, France 6.3%, South Korea 5.4%, Russia 4.9% (2005) "

    The population is – 68,688,433 (July 2006 est.) – and their New Year is March 21st…

    For all the facts – if you are really interested;

    https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html

  19. Alison, You’re bringing me around to your way of thinking. From this distance, many might take the lack of Iranian flag burning in London as a lack of will on your part. But I’m getting that sense from y’all that that British quiet reserve and determination are burning under the surface. This will be needed in the days ahead.

    Building a few more frigates wouldn’t hurt either. It’s time to

    "Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour."

  20. Yes David, I completely agree, let’s bomb that little creep.

    The right in America thinks your country has gone left and can no longer protect itself because of your governmental policies. Not because the British People are cowards, but because a majority of people have trusted and elected leftward/socialist politicians who have unmanned your country.

  21. Daphne – it is the same man who took us to Iraq. I supported him then and i support his tactics now, that the american right doesnt at this point in time is frankly – bizarre. I gotta tell you!

  22. Hey Alison

    I get it. And I think Blair’s acted appropriately so far.

    The far right here is the same as the left, They can act like mad dogs when they get a sliver of a bone to chew. They like being outrageous and slamming everyone who doesn’t completely agree with their point of view. They also like to feel superior without being realistic.

    We all know that if it were US servicemen that were taken hostage, the process we’re now seeing would probably be exactly the same. Because all sane people are scared for these kid’s well being, we want to get them out of there now, with violence if necessary. But, if we are honest, we know that immediate violence against Iran would probably cost these young people their lives.

    The bloggers and commenters that you’re reading don’t mean (mostly) any disrespect, they’re just mad. Please don’t think we (conservatives) all feel this way.

  23. <Q>Show how unBritish I am. I just want to bomb Ahmadinejad.</Q>

    I’m beginning to think an unpopulated part of Iran should be visited by a Cruise missile with a TNW. Just as a hint. Like.

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