HARD CHEESE UPDATEHomeEngland by Pete Moore May 27, 2013 57 1 min 9 yrs To the West Country, where 3000 cheese-rolling dissidents defy authority, choosing to do what they like. Quelle horreur! (Warning, there’s a busted ankle at 2:35) (h/t Agit8ed) Click to rate this post![Total: 0 Average: 0] England Post navigation Previous postNext post 57 thoughts on “HARD CHEESE UPDATE” I look forward to the day of reckoning when that tide finally turns, and the annual event is rolling ‘Council enforcement officers’ down that hill 😉 Quite brilliant that vid! Adults and children, the old the young, All standing by to watch the fun. Strutting young men so full of life, Their chests puffed out for girl or wife. Sound of limb and fleet of foot They run undaunted down that hill. Come on Daddy, give it all you’ve got! Shout little ones, eyes all alight Whilst anxious Mums hands clasped in fright. Stand ready with the first aid box.. Can’t think of anymore! Agit You are a poet and you didn’t even know it 🙂 Keep digging Harri, can’t be far now,,, Hark! Is that Vera Lynn I hear? Good risk management (including Health and Safety) is all about informed decision making (nearly typed it is “infirmed”). Aileen – It’s been held every year for a couple of centuries. They’re quite informed. Pete The laws have changed somewhat in that time. The legal implications are part of the relevant information. Agit8ed, on May 27th, 2013 at 8:45 PM Said: Keep digging Harri, can’t be far now,,, If I was digging myself out of Madcap Britain it would take longer to write out the ‘risk assessment 😉 England my England .. just what have they done to you 🙁 Aileen – No legal implications have changed, no torts have changed, nothing has changed, not even the bureaucratic desire to dominate society. Pete The lady who used to supply the cheese didn’t seem to have been aware that she could have been sued if someone was injured by her cheese. Either way it doesn’t negate my first point that good risk management is about informed decision making. Action entails risk. You want to manage risk, not be so afraid of your own shadow that events are cancelled and no one does anything. Congratulations to the cheese rollers. I am not too sure of the age of the dear old dissedent lady, but I bet she actually thought she had lived through one blitz and was under the false impression that the Nazis got soundly beaten in 1945 … she was wrong She might as well give up .. resistance against the State is futile, she will be assimmilated one way or another Harri, I shall phone her again tomorrow and let you know! What in the world are the rules of this event? Phantom Indeed and you manage risks best through informed decision making. Aileen – Anyone can sue anyone. There’s no way that an action against the cheesemaker would have been successful. However you do raise a pertinent point. Surely the landowner would be more culpable rather than the woman who makes cheese? After all the landowner owns the very land down which the nutters chuck themselves, yes? So who owns Cooper’s Hill in Gloucestershire? The county council does. Never forget, Aileen, particularly when the police (close chums of the county council) intimidates a cheese-maker, that the state is not your friend, and that violence and coercion are its only tools. “What in the world are the rules of this event?” I would guess Have fun Act sensibly Maintain the tradition. I don’t think on occasions like this the British care about who wins, they just enjoy the fact that it happens and there is a link with our past. An informed decision was made by the participants. More power to them. I’m in the risk ( liability ) business. And years ago I heard something that stuck with me – The greatest risk of all is not taking one. This event would not be anything that I’d participate in, but if others wish to do it on a voluntary basis, then there is no reason in the world to consider banning it. Or for threatening purveyors of cheese. “What in the world are the rules of this event?” The first one to the bottom wins the cheese, then it’s shirt off (including for the chicks) to carry it back up the hill. Probably getting pissed in the pub later is rather encouraged too. Pete I don’t know who is most likely to be sued but I don’t need to beyond knowing that it is unlikely to be me. I have no decision to make so I don’t need Infirmation to feed it. I don’t know how the officer concerned actually handled it. If he was just making her better informed re the decision she was going to make then he was doing her a favour. He might have been a jerk and a bit power crazy of he may have been a pet or something between the two. Phantom. I think most if not all participants are young, and what a thing it is to be young! Full of life, full of energy, great!! Re risk, there is a pretty good book by a lady named Susan Jeffers called, “Feel the fear and do it anyway”> Every insurance man should have a copy as an aid to selling.. 🙂 Phantom The suppliers also need to make an informed decision. I am also in the risk business. (only three working days left until retirement – EARLY I hasten to add 😉 ) The greatest risk cannot be not taking one as it is not possible not to take risks unless you are either dead or nothing matters. All options, including the null option (do nothing), has risk involved if there is a difference in potential outcomes that matter. No honest juror would assign liability to the a person who donated cheese to this event. Or to anyone else in the event shown here. The Chicken Littles, and certain slow witted police, are invited to read up on the long established concept of ” assumption of risk “, a concept that presumably still exists in the land once known as England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_risk Phantom You have greater faith in absence of perverse judgements than I have. You can not and must not allow the bad guys, which include politicians and trial lawyer shysters, put you in such a state of fear that you are afraid to engage in activities. You guys once conquered half the world, now you’re terrified of a few people running down a hill. Stand up straight for God’s sake. I like cheese. Aileen Then agitate for tort reform. Or allow your ambulance chasers to make the UK into a Lawsuit Hell like half the US is. Fix it. Phantom I have more important things to agitate for! Then it’s shirt off (including for the chicks) to carry it back up the hill Pete Moore, Birds don’t like being called chicks. You’re right, Paul. I should have more respect for the fillies. Phantom My last response was totally literal as in nothing more implied than was said. I wasn’t dismissing it as unimportant but there are things higher up on my list. Btw who is terrified of a few people going down a hill? The event went ahead. It went ahead, despite the actions and threats of those who didn’t want it to go ahead. The account of the ” helpful ” cop visiting the woman who provided the cheese remains in mind. Intimidation takes many forms, and this was one. The US has many flaws, but that particular one – a poliice officer trying to intimidate someone out of doing something that was perfectly legal – would not happen here. There would never be grounds to consider it. Phantom It would appear that the people who wanted it to go ahead far outnumbered those who didn’t. So the “now you’re terrified …” comment doesn’t really hold up. This is not a one off. As Pete, David and other locals have pointed out, this matter is part of a larger ” learned helplessness ” on the part of police and others in the UK, driven by Health and Safety nonsense. You’re nuts if you think that this war is not being lost there. Where in the recent past, first responders let a man drown rather than swim out to him to provide aid, on health and safety grounds. You’re playing cute on this issue. OK, how about some straight talk. Do you think that this event as seen here should be banned? Do you think that it should be restricted in some way? Should police try to warn people from engaging in legal activities? I’d like to think that they have their hands full with trying to stop illegal activities, but maybe thats notbhow it works there. One of the funniest threads ever on ATW… Phantom I am playing nothing and I resent the remark! What, pray, has been not straight about my comments so far? As to your questions No (and i haven’t read that it was banned) No (mainly because I haven’t given it enough thought or know enough to make a judegement (informed decision). No ( but if they give someone additional relevant Information they are doing him a favour) I have answered your questions but those aspects do not interest me nearly as much as the principle that good risk management is about informed decision making, which has been the point I was making. All too often people seem to take pride in not considering the consequences of actions. This isn’t a legalities blog the last time that I looked. I think that posts like this are meant to elicit comment along the lines of ” is this right or is this wrong ” I think that all attempts to restrict events like this are wrong. It is none of the government’s business, even in theory. As it is none of the police’s business to be prancing around in uniform giving legal advice to older ladies without a law license , advising against engaging in perfectly legal activity. I’m glad that we agree. //As it is none of the police’s business to be prancing around in uniform // Why do the police go prancing around in uniform to schools giving talks to youngsters on safety with the bicycle? Why do they go go prancing around in uniform on TV and various other places to give advice on road safety? Neither of these activities is in connected to criminal law, and the police are not trained legal advisors, and, besides, there are all those criminals to catch. It is none of the government’s business to make life safer for the public. They are obviously trying to win that war you mentioned. They were trying to intimidate an older woman. With some success, sad to say. — Bicycles ahare the public road that motor vehicles also use. Police have an overt and proper role in policing the public roads, very little of which has to do with criminal matters. Road safety is part of their job description. Cheese donations to legal events are not part of it. I think this could be made into a Spamalot-like police-prancing-about film while half-brain young folks throw themselves down a hill after a stryofome (oh god the spelling and I don’t care) pretend round of cheese. styrofoam——————–they’re chasing styrofoam cheese down the hill. Phantom “This isn’t a legalities blog… ” Eh? The potential consequences of this might have been legal action, which is why they were referred to. I didn’t think it was a blog that was, dare I say it, restrictive, as to what we should consider most worthy of comment. When I give it a modicum more thought, there would and should be restrictions re this event, including toddlers not participating. If I was that lady I would be glad of the Information. In times of austerity I think providing her the Information is a luxury we can’t really afford. Mairin Styrofoam? I’ve had cheese like that 😉 I wonder who tends to all the injured? The evil, state run NHS perhaps? Then please place more restrictions on all the many more dangerous activities, such as boxing, martial arts, rugby, gridiron, hurling, ice hockey, all that stuff. This thing has been going on for 200 years I am told? Don’t mess with a 200 year old tradition unless there is a compelling reason to do so. No one is compelled to participate in this silly, fun event. Every participant knows what is going on. There isn’t any problem that is in need of solving or restricting, directly or indirectly. Come on. //Road safety is part of their job description. Cheese donations to legal events // Driving and cycling are also legal events. I think you are saying that the police should give advice regarding safety on public roads but not on public land, is that it? Phantom I would be suprised if toddlers are allowed to take part in those events and so there already are restrictions. Or do you think toddlers should be allowed to take part? What about Gypsy ‘bare knuckle’ fights in the UK, the BBC have even done whole programmes on this acceptable gypsy culture where young boys are actively encouraged to fight bare fisted, the ‘authorities’ nor the police get involved because it’s accepted that it has gone on for centuries, it’s their culture … spot the difference ! Apologies to the great Bard (whoever he was…) KING HENRY V: Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more; Or close the wall up with our English dead. In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility: But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger; Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood, Disguise fair nature with hard-favour’d rage; And for Goodness sake, make sure you’ve done a proper risk assessment and check with your local branch of Health and Safety. The last thing we need are multiple compensation claims…. 🙂 Harri I don’t know much about bare knuckle fighting but if two non gypsy children would not be allowed to do it because of the risks then two gypsy children shouldn’t be allowed to either. Culture should not be allowed to be a veto. Noel, Aileen There’s nothing wrong with this event. Let the police focus on crime, not happy social gatherings. This is a Bloombergian fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time, and it must be stamped out. Phantom That in no way addresses my point. There would be something very wrong if toddlers were taking part. Not allowing toddlers to take par is an example of a restriction. Which relates to your comment that there should be no restrictions. I’m ok with this event as shown. You get last word. The event as shown is almost certainly an event with restrictions. //There’s nothing wrong with this event.// Apart from all those broken legs and limbs, there isn’t. Harri (9:37) I have tried the lady’s number again, but it remains on answerphone, so I guess she has had enough aggrav8ion and I will therfore leave the poor woman in peace. Comments are closed.