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The radical egalitarian Educational elite seek to dumb down how our children are taught at every turn. 

Children are being ‘infantalised’ by teachers who encourage them to learn history through Mr Men characters and Disney films, Michael Gove said yesterday. In a blistering attack on school teaching, the Education Secretary claimed pupils were being told to compare Hitler and his henchmen to Mr Men characters and to learn about the Middle Ages by watching Disney’s Robin Hood. Mr Gove also criticised the debasement of English lessons, saying some schools were telling pupils to read ‘transient vampire books’ like the Twilight series instead of ‘transcendent Victorian novels’ such as Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre.

This infantalising of Education is all part of the process of dumbing down and creating generations of children who have little grasp of history. Those academic behind this should be ashamed of the destruction they are causing but in fact they are proud of their philistinism.

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46 thoughts on “HITLER AND THE MR MEN

  1. Hang on a second.

    This story sounds outrageous…but something doesn’t add up.

    Why on earth would teenagers be told to compare Hitler and the Nazis to Mr Men? Oh wait, that isn’t what happened at all. It is for an introductory teaching of history to primary school children.

    Did any of you learn about WW2 and the rise of the Nazis in primary school?

  2. “Did any of you learn about WW2 and the rise of the Nazis in primary school?”

    Not in my school, but then it wasn’t filled with a bunch of Left Wing nutters intent on destroying childhood. Young children have no more need to learn about Hitler than they do about about drugs and sex. They can find out all about him when they’re older. Telling little’uns about that bad Hitler via Mr Men is typically creepy government indocrination. However the piece suggests that it’s aimed at teenagers. It might even be aimed at teachers. I wouldn’t trust them to know any real history.

  3. “Not in my school”

    Exactly.

    This seems to be a fairly harmless attempt to introduce history to small children.

    Although, in saying that, I agree with Pete that it is a bit silly teaching such heavy subjects to small children in the first place.

  4. Children are not the only ones who are being ‘dumbed down’ .. my wife is considering carrying on her nursing skills in the UK, she has just recieved a large amount of paperwork, including a five page 40 questionnaire on the effects of ‘Global warming ‘ .. she is a Nurse ?

    I tried to help her fill out the questionnaire, but couldn’t due to the tears rolling down my cheeks 🙂

    Mein Gott .. all hope is now lost it seems

  5. Ask the average high school student here a few questions about history- ie when the US Civil War took place, or who some of the major generals were in WW2 – and you’ll see how seriously US history is now taught now.

  6. Incidently, Disney made Der Furhrer’s Face and other animated films during the war in support of the Allied War effort (try finding them now).

    There is a time for everything and some history can certainly wait until kids are older. And we should do a better job overall in teaching history to our kids (instead of the more modern Social Studies).

    But why only dump on formal education? Parents should also have history books in the home and take children to historical sites.

  7. “But why only dump on formal education? Parents should also have history books in the home and take children to historical sites.”

    Absolutely!

  8. It’s curious that until relatively recently history was generally considered relevant and interesting by most educated people, now it seems it’s all a thing of the past…
    With the loss of interst in history also goes an interest in politics, in geography and the world in general.

    I don’t think it’s wrong to teach children about the Nazis and WW2. They see constant references to them on TV and in games and toys etc. It’s good to set any military knowledge they pick up in the context of the political world at the time and the true horrow behind nice weapons and dashing uniforms.

  9. Did any of you learn about WW2 and the rise of the Nazis in primary school?

    We were too busy learning about the evil English and their subjugation of our fair Emerald Isle 😉

    Incidently, Disney made Der Furhrer’s Face and other animated films during the war in support of the Allied War effort (try finding them now).

    Here ye go, Mahons-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4tDTe9sOdU

    And here’s Popeye 🙂

    http://archive.org/details/WorldWarIiPropagandaCartoons

  10. Pete may not want little children being taught about the little Austian man, but I’m sure he’d be happy if they were being taught a little about Austrian economics 😉

  11. Brilliant, Seimi. Well spotted!

    Colm, I presume we all here agree how terrible it was for generations of British children to be government indoctrinated and their childhood destroyed with stories of the wonders of the British Empire.

  12. The wonders of the British Empire are so obvious they don’t need to be taught.

  13. For what it’s worth (and it probably is worth some as I was probably in primary school a lot more recently that some others here) we did learn about the Nazis in primary school.

  14. They taught us about that in primary school too.

    Of course this was in Catholic school, where they actually maintained order among us little savages, and where they like taught us stuff.

  15. One of my favorite cartoons is Liberty Kids…;-), which teaches about the American Revolution. Curriculums vary by state in the US but in most states the Revolutionary War is covered in some fashion beginning in Kindergarten. In NY State, I think serious WW II coverage begins in 5th-6th grades or at about 10 or 11 years old. Private schools follow the state curriculum more or less, they don’t have to follow it to the letter but since the graduates take the same college entrance exams (and most other standardized tests), they pretty much go by the book.

  16. “Did any of you learn about WW2 and the rise of the Nazis in primary school?”

    My Mum and Dad told us kids because they were actually in it -especially Dad. I don’t think us little children were taught history at five or six. I started school at sis cos I was slooowwwww.
    (Cue “Aaaaaaaaaah, poor Agit8ed!”)
    Actually most children of my generation learnt most about history round about eight, because our teachers remembered or fought in the FIRST world war, and in those days British kids had a far greater awareness of our history through school teaching and through our parents who funnily enough, were not ashamed of our past..

    The Mr Men approach to teaching is all a part of the “Education must be Fun, Fun, Fun!” approach to education.
    Incidentally to celebrate my approaching 67th birthday on the 20th
    (cue: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Agit8ed, you ould fool!”)
    I went out with the lovely Mrs Agit8ed to Norwich and bought some walking boots.
    Huzzah!
    They were sold to me by a (at my age I can say this!) lovely young man of 25 who was doing teacher training after serving in the army as an officer (two tours in Afghanistan)
    He was knowledgeable, respectful and an absolute credit to his parents, and the wife and I agreed they must be very very proud of him. We would have been.
    But he wanted to teach kids from broken/difficult backgrounds, and I hope for his sake that he doesn’t become disillusioned..

    So there.

  17. Seamus,

    I bet they didn’t give poor ‘Ole Joe Stalin even a passing mention! and he made Adolf look like an amamteur when it came to ethnic cleansing, and ‘all that other nasty stuff’. He must have been instrumental in killing more people than anyone, past or present.

    They may well have taught you some of the basic history of WWII and the Nazis’ in prep school, – I had the real hands-on experience! Far better than any Disney recreation, we really felt the vibes and the corpses we saw on the news were real, – all so much more effective than a mere cartoon, and we had the sequel of Stalin and bolshevik socialism to follow.

    Nothing like the real thing to impress youngsters and to form life-long opinions.

    That header cartoon character could well of Stalin, he too had quite a moustache.

  18. Agited –

    What boots did you get, you ould fool?

    Sorry, I mean Happy Birthday you ould fool. What boots did you get?

  19. Harri,
    Your 11:16.
    Does this mean you and your wife might soon form part of the great “Brain Drain” from Eastern Rolldovia or wherever it is you live; to the UK?
    Are you considering coming home Harrri?

  20. Just to expand on Mahons point. While the history taught to me in secondary school was of a high standard (and my A-level history teacher was excellent), my love of history and most of my early knowledge of history was passed on to me by my parents.

  21. You could bet on that Ernest.

    Of course you’d lose that bet.

    “Nothing like the real thing to impress youngsters and to form life-long opinions.”

    Sadly we don’t have that many genocidal dictators about anymore to help us form life-long ill-informed opinions.

    Also, for what it is worth, it is actually quite good to use non-traditional aides when teaching history. A lot of our introduction to the history of the Second World War in primary school was through reading the Silver Sword, and building on that in lessons.

  22. Seamus,

    Oh I see, – it is better to be influenced by some out-of-context revisionist nonsense, such as a cartoon with all those lovable characters, – than to have experienced the real thing? It may well raise awareness of the events but it does nothing to convey the horror of it all.

    How living through an experience can result in being ‘ill-informed’, seems rather a stretch.

    Are you suggesting that the revulsion and horror felt during those times is really just ‘ill-informed’?

    Surely you’re not a closet holocaust denier, and the horrors of Nazi Germany are just another Jewish conspiracy, and that we were all ‘ill-informed’ ‘back then’? or is your comment, as I suspect, meant as some puerile defence of extreme forms of socialism?

  23. Actually it was neither Ernest. It was mostly a pop at your ill-informed opinions.

  24. //, such as a cartoon with all those lovable characters, – than to have experienced the real thing? It may well raise awareness of the events but it does nothing to convey the horror of it all.
    How living through an experience can result in being ‘ill-informed’, seems rather a stretch.//

    Ernest, you will then agree with me that Petr is the best informed person here regarding the situation in Palestine.

    BTW, just is well the nose of the guy above is not white or someone here would start up again about DeValera and the Nazis.

  25. Noel,

    How would Petr be the best informed re the Palestine situation? I would have thought that Agit would be at least as well, if not better informed as he actually lived there for some years.

    Seamus,

    History becomes revisionist when it is seen and written about, without consideration for the context of the times when it happened. Personal opinion also has much influence on the way it is reported, and the true impression of events becomes changed over time. Of course memory can also fail, but impressions created when events happened are pretty enduring, and are more likely to be reliable.

    To be called ‘ill informed’ by someone as bigoted as you is really a compliment – thank you!

  26. Ernest- What Noel means by “best informed” is “agrees with Noel the most”.

  27. Agit

    Are you considering coming home Harrri?

    The Euro is killing the Country 🙁

    And yes we are

    And no I am not joking about the ‘Global warming’ paper my wife has to fill in and return to proceed with her application … no Global warming form returned … no further will the application proceed ! it clearly states that on the ‘rules of application’

    As I said it’s enough to make you weep

  28. “Of course memory can also fail, but impressions created when events happened are pretty enduring, and are more likely to be reliable.”

    And more likely to be fueled by prejudice and propaganda. Impressions aren’t history, they are perceptions of history. And frankly one person’s perceptions aren’t any way more or less valid than anyone else’s. A reassessment of the facts in a situation where those involved were not involved is more likely to lead to a less biased version of history.

  29. Pete Moore
    The boots are I think Italian? made by Scarpa
    (I tried to but they caught me at the doors and made me pay)

    The guy got me to stand barefoot on some special plate which shows where the pressure points are.
    I’d like to say mine were perfick, but he said there was evidence of metatarsalgia and something else us outdoors, good looking, husky types are not supposed to get. 😉

    Anyway he sold me a special insole which is supposed to give support, make the tea etc..

    It was a lot more than I was expecting to pay (I’m a pretty mean kind of guy), but the fella seemed to know what he was talking about. I am wearing them now even as I type, and shall be wearing them to bed (I am hoping Mrs Agit8ed finds them QUITE a turn on…..) 🙂

  30. Agit8ed –

    Yep, they’re Italian. Scarpa makes great boots. As long as they fit you can’t go wrong.

    It’s a good idea to have a fitted insole rather than just go with the factory one. If you have any problems with your feet, or if your boots aren’t giving you proper support, you’ll know about it after a few miles. Boots are the most important bit of kit by far so money is well spent down there.

    You’ll need to look after them. Nikwax is best. I’ve used Nikwax stuff for years on my boots and trail shoes and it’s the business. Cotswold Outdoor will stock all you need.

    So is it a few miles around Thetford Forest tomorrow?

  31. Pete,
    I have to say this about you.
    You are a very kind person when it comes to giving advice and I appreciate it.
    I’ll get the Nikwax.

    Won’t be tomorrow as we have guests coming for the week end. Dear friends of mine from over 30 years ago.
    So the beer is laid on, the wine, the Schloer for the girls and plenty of time for reminiscing..

  32. Agit8ed –

    A little help makes life easier all round.

    Besides, I like a man who observes The Rules, i.e. beer for the gents, a glass of wine or a fruit based drink for the ladies.

  33. Colm,

    When someone is so positive that their pov is the correct and only one and all others are ‘ill-informed’, even to the point of disputing the validity of eye witnesses, then that is the foundation of bigotry. Seamus has a track record on that score.

    “And more likely to be fueled by prejudice and propaganda. Impressions aren’t history, they are perceptions of history.’

    Sounds good, but is total nonsense, actions that had physical effect on a person at a particular time are not likely to be influenced by propaganda at some later date. Impressions at the time are the only valid impressions, it is the later impressions that are liable to influence.

    When you have been ‘bombed out’ and had friends and relatives killed and injured by an enemy, how could any propaganda make you anymore ‘anti’ that enemy than you are when it happened?

    Take Seamus’s own instance – he has no personal experience of ‘the Troubles’, and yet could anyone be more ‘anti’ the Brits than he, – and all he has had to base that pov on is second-hand information and propaganda, or could it be that he is just ‘ill-informed’?

  34. When you have been ‘bombed out’ and had friends and relatives killed and injured by an enemy, how could any propaganda make you anymore ‘anti’ that enemy than you are when it happened?

    That’s an interesting observation Ernest, I’ll remember that.

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