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My congratulations to the USA for buying Irish morality in 2015. What do I mean by THAT? Read on…

“Between 2004 and 2014, U.S.-based Atlantic Philanthropies invested more than $17 million to effectively catalyze the homosexual-rights lobby in Ireland.

Ireland’s rush to permanently redefine marriage is a startling development for a country that legalized divorce only 20 years ago.

How could the nation that “saved civilization” precipitously decide to make its constitution “gender neutral,” especially in a section devoted to … the family?

Key organizations opposing the radical change believe one answer can be found in the multimillion-dollar external financing program that has quietly poured money into Ireland to fund several homosexual-rights organizations since 2004, especially from U.S.-based Atlantic Philanthropies.

Although not as well known as the Gates Foundation, Atlantic has a similar pedigree: Billionaire businessman Chuck Feeney is giving away the fortune he made as co-founder of DFS, airline duty-free shops. “

By way of return, the “No” campaign had a 200k budget.

In essence, external forces based in the USA replete with $$$$ were able to buy Irish morality by financing the YES campaign. Little wonder Hillary Clinton gushed…

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82 thoughts on “HOW TO BUY A REFERENDUM

  1. Is it morality? Is it opinion? Is it left-over organizational religious rules? Blame it on Americans?

  2. Interesting conspiracy all the same David. Have you been hanging out with Allan?

    lol

    That said, how long before Allan comes on here and tells us the Jooooooooos fixed the referendum?!

  3. It’s not bitterness, Petr…people are really having to look within. You should focus more on the communists and Muslims who don’t.

  4. Jesus but I’ve never seen bitterness like it. Meanwhile the party continues all over Ireland. 🙂

    The local drug dealers must be coining it in.

  5. It’s not bitterness, Petr…people are really having to look within. You should focus more on the communists and Muslims who don’t.

    Put the crack pipe down, Moran2.

  6. The local drug dealers must be coining it in.

    You must be delighted for your son?

  7. In essence, external forces based in the USA replete with $$$$ were able to buy Irish morality by financing the YES campaign. Little wonder Hillary Clinton gushed…

    In essence unless AP went around bribing each and every voter that claim’s a lot of spheres.

    The bitterness is palpable.

  8. Crack pipe? You’re an ass, Petr. Every once in a while, you say something and the likes of Noel and Paul and sometimes Phantom jump all over it. Even when I agree with you, I seldom acknowledge it because I seldom acknowledge assholes. Most times you say nothing of importance and most people rightly ignore you. You are an echo chamber in my mind. You write/speak to hear your own voice.
    Sometimes children grow up….

  9. Ok an echo chamber in my mind was a very poor (but funny) choice of words….at the end of the day…crack pipe. What kind of argument is that and why does ATW give that sort of argument credence?

  10. I’d just like to add my heartfelt congratulations to Ireland on the Yes vote. Well done.

  11. And all of a sudden, the Left loves big campaign finance!

    You should know Pete aren’t you one of the ‘George Soros funds everything’ crowd?

  12. Every once in a while, you say something and the likes of Noel and Paul and sometimes Phantom jump all over it

    Eh?

  13. Haha…a witless what? ATW…pay attention what your beloved Petr called me … A clit…don’t forget it when you lick hi shite.

  14. Paul…Petr’s posts are replete with sick innuendos like above and you guys never notice it. Colm used to do the same thing.

  15. mairin2, on May 25th, 2015 at 8:30 PM Said:

    Haha…a witless what? ATW…pay attention what your beloved Petr called me … A clit…don’t forget it when you lick hi shite.

    Did you not call him an asshole first? Is there an body part insult hierarchy?

  16. I am a witless clit. My opinion doesn’t count because I’m on the rag…it’s a very unmanly way to discount my input. American men…friend and foe…have spoke up about it,,,maybe even Pete Moore…Irish men….NO!

  17. You must be delighted for your son?

    Not really, he and his mincer mates, usually take enough to down a horse.

    It’s a gay scene thang.

    Wolfie, after three days of gay parties, I should think you are just about sick to death of seeing arseholes 😉

    And then, you come onto ATW 😉

    Ithangyou.

  18. Paul…Petr’s posts are replete with sick innuendos like above and you guys never notice it

    That’s right M, I haven’t noticed it but what does the ‘every once in a while, you say something and the likes of Noel and Paul and sometimes Phantom jump all over it’ refer to?

    As for Colm’s innuendo, I take it in the tongue in cheek spirit it’s meant.

  19. Crack pipe…??? Dave? Petr has a long history of this crap. He’s a nuisance. We all have an arsehole….we all have opinions…clit should not be used as a demeaning term.
    Thanks, Pete Moore, I knew you’d see this.

  20. Wolfie, after three days of gay parties, I should think you are just about sick to death of seeing arseholes
    And then, you come onto ATW
    Ithangyou.

    On second thoughts, after reading above posts about arseholes, I take it all back.

    No offence to anyone … but Wolfie.

  21. Colm only pulled you’re on the rag related comments when he was losing the argument. Cheers for that!

  22. Pete — When you start your own blog one day you’ll get to tell me what’s what. Until then, take a hike.

  23. Thanks, Pete Moore. I was writing that while you responded too. It seems to me the Irish men and those like Petr who they align themselves are still struggling with MOTHER Ireland.

  24. I’ve never heard Colm use that term and what Petr says above is not an innuendo but a blatant insult.

    Both terms are absolutely beyond the pale.

    Now could you explain what Noel, Phantom and I are supposed t be jumping all over?

  25. Not really, he and his mincer mates, usually take enough to down a horse.

    Toto — I have to admit that made me larf! 🙂

  26. Petr Tarasov, on May 25th, 2015 at 8:26 PM Said:
    Oh fuck off you witless clit.

    Sexist pig.

    Wolfie is obviously on a downer from three days of gay partying, I blame it in too much consupmtion of Viagra, Cocaine, Ketamine .. and Sudocreme 😉

  27. You obviously haven’t noticed that you’ve agreed with Petr even though his comments include such statements. I don’t point out Petr’s misogyny because I usually ignore his comments because of this. Colm did the same thing for years…YES…years. You guys didn’t notice but every once in a while American men and Pete Moore wold call him on it.
    Let it go. Petr only gets under my skin on Mondays and usually I’m working…

  28. You obviously haven’t noticed that you’ve agreed with Petr even though his comments include such statements.

    ???

    Look, I’ve said above that I’ve never noticed it and what I agree or disagree with people on is based on the content of their opinion

    I’d thank you not to pull me into this M.

  29. Colm has used innuendo only in a spirit of sly fun in anything that I have seen over the years.

    I don’t see him a anti woman or anti anybody.

  30. Colm, on January 14th, 2013 at 12:46 AM Said:

    There was a thread a couple of weeks ago I can’t remember what it was about but mairin used it to make continuous and hysterical attacks on one contributor. It was embarrassing and ludicrously over the top. It said a lot more about mairin than the person being attacked.

    Sometimes history repeats. 🙂

  31. mairin2

    Queens do have a tendency to show characteristic Behaviour of misogynists… it’s called being a bitch 😉

  32. Petr was totally off-side with his personal insults. There’s no place for that dirt here. (by the way, Mairin called him only “an ass” – hardly a hurtful insult)

    Chuck Feeney seems to throw his cash in all directions. No conspiracy here.

  33. It was a good thread. 🙂

    Daphne, on January 14th, 2013 at 2:34 AM Said:

    In fact you’re an ungracious, insecure bitch who feels the need to remind everyone of your ivy bona fides, grand travel itineraries and children’s upper level schooling in nearly every verbal transaction.

  34. I blame the cocktail of drugs taken in enough amounts to sink a battleship… and all at the same time.

  35. Yup, crazy, hysterical, personal attacks on Phantom: one of the most decent polite people commenting here. I am sure many will recall.

  36. Petr Tarasov, on May 25th, 2015 at 9:05 PM Said:
    Toto — They are starting to wear off, I swear. 🙂

    That’s denial kicking in.

    🙂

  37. I responded…blew my top…in response to Colm saying that I was having my period, Petr. He made those types of comments for many years…and not just to me. He made those comments in response to many women.who posted here.
    Colm and I got over it and he doesn’t do it anymore.
    Time for you to learn a lesson Petr.

  38. I call men and women clits all the time. If you’re looking for a misogynist, you’ve come to the wrong place.

  39. Petr Tarasov, on May 25th, 2015 at 9:07 PM Said:
    Denial — Do I snort that or what?

    ‘kicking in’

    Okay, I got that one, it took a while, but I get it.

    That was pretty good actually 🙂

  40. Petr, just because you use a mysogenist term against men and women does not make it right. I’m sure you’re grown enough to see how that can play out.
    Phantom, you are an unlike able shite stirrer….polite or not.
    Paul, that’s just it…mysoginy is so much a part of Irish history…thanks to the Catholic Church…though it have been the same with any organized religion…men don’t even notice when it happens…and it has irked me in the past whe the likes of Colm and Petr throw it into their statements and you guys go non like it never happened…and believe me, I get it…to you it never did because it’s the norm for you.

  41. I get it…to you it never did because it’s the norm for you

    Yeah? well as it’s only Pete Moore and you who seem to have noticed wouldn’t that make every other male and female contributor who didn’t notice mysogenists too?

    Look, this cat fight has absolutely nothing to do with me so please don’t include me in it. I’d also thank you not to make assumptions about what is ‘the norm’ for me. You don’t know me nor what is or isn’t the norm for me.

  42. Ok, Paul…but if you would for myself and all women who no longer post here…keep an eye out for it. I don’t have the time for cat fights either.

  43. Sorry, for bringing in you into it it, i should have been more general in discussing this ATW problem.

  44. You do not speak for Aileen, for Alison or for Daphne.

    They’ve each stepped away for quite different reasons, none of them AFAIK having anything to to with real or imagined sexism on the part of Colm or Petr.

    I recall Aileen and Daphne getting along famously with Colm, enjoying his playful commentary.

  45. Oh and it’s been discussed before…not just by Pete and me. ATW talk has been discussed as being like a pub and a locker room. It’s a longstanding problem and misogyny plays a part. It’s not worth it to point out usually. But please do keep an eye for it.

  46. All of the above have missed the glorious source of David’s post – The American Catholic Register. By God we will convert him yet.

    A ludicrous story on its face. You better start swimming or you will sink like a stone, the times they are a’changin.

  47. Ok, Paul…but if you would for myself and all women who no longer post here…keep an eye out for it. I don’t have the time for cat fights either

    Absolutely, and if I miss it I’d be grateful if you could point it out.

  48. What? Who mentioned any of those women? Though there have been conversations with at least one of them about ATW being more like a locker room than a pub…and at least one conversation was public on ATW.
    You are such a shite stirrer Phantom. I’m sorry that Troll isn’t around for you to play with…and guess what? Nor am I.
    Thank you for your sailor service.
    Good night,
    xo
    M

  49. //The American Catholic Register. By God we will convert him yet. //

    Ulster Unionist conservatives and Catholic conservatives really have a lot in common. The certainly pull in the same direction on most of the major social issues.
    Although the many celibates in Catholicism probably pull in a different direction.

    That’s one of the reasons Unionists were so stupid to keep their politics and organisations so sectarian. Many old-fashioned Catholics secretly admire their steadfastness and vice versa.

    I predict one day there will be an alliance, maybe even a merger. In an increasingly secular and liberal world, it just doesn’t make sense to have the ever dwindling conservative constituency split by something as trivial as the Immaculate Contraception, and it’s pointless arguing about transsubstantiation in a time of transsexuals.

    Not long ago people would have said you’re crazy if you’d suggested the DUP and SF/IRA would soon be partners…..

  50. The referendum didn’t go the way some people wanted, so instead of accepting the will of the voters they make patronising and insulting claims that they were ‘bought’ or brainwashed. Its hogwash.

  51. Exactly right Colm. The No side lost the argument because they couldn’t come up with any good reasons to vote it down. Their voices were heard. We all knew who they were and what they had to say. None of it was convincing and a lot of it wasn’t even rational.

  52. Colm, Simon — By law in Ireland each side in a referendum must be given 50% of the coverage. There is literally no excuse. The people wanted marriage equality by a thumping majority.

  53. Regardless of which side wins in a referendum and whatever the political side you are on, its insulting to the electorate to make the claims that David has posted about above. What that organisation (and indeed David himself) is saying is “We would not be persuaded by money to vote in a particular way. We are more intelligent and aware of our own minds than the rest of the population who are stupid and gullible and can be bought by shiny posters and glossy videos and big American dollars”. It’s not just sour grapes, its an incredibly arrogant and smug attitude.

  54. As I posted on my own site:-

    It truly is amazing what….…..Twenty-odd Million dollars will buy. You can buy a Sunseeker cruising yacht; you can hire a private island in the Seychelles for three years; you are able to make a substantial downpayment on a private Lear jet: or you can influence the voting of an entire country by funding a huge advert campaign to persuade an entire nation that allowing homosexuals to ‘marry‘ is a ‘good thing’

  55. Or you can influence the voting of an entire country by funding a huge advert campaign to persuade an entire nation that allowing homosexuals to ‘marry‘ is a ‘good thing’

    At risk of repeating myself:

    In essence, unless AP went around bribing each and every voter that claim’s a lot of spheres.
    The bitterness is palpable

    But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good moan

    It’s not just sour grapes, its an incredibly arrogant and smug attitude.

    Indeed.

  56. Following the recent UK general election there was a lot of mocking here by David and others of the left’s complaints that the British people had been scared or bought off into voting to return the Conservatives to power. Failure to acknowledge that the Irish electorate have made their own freely chosen decision to approve same sex marriage deserves the same mockery.

  57. Actually, I’m suprised the majority was so low. 62 pc is much less than the majorities achieved by the conservative measures to put Catholic law into the Constitution in the 1980s (but you’ll be tired of my hobby horse by now)

    I’ve a feeling the majority would have been higher if the Yes campaign didn’t have flamboyant characters like “Panti Bliss” in such a prominent position.

  58. Noel

    Considering that little more than 20 years ago, the issue of official recognition of gay partnerships wasn’t even on the agenda in any context let alone as full marraige, I would say 62% in favour is very impressive.

  59. Indeed, Colm. In fact homosexual acts were actually a criminal offence in Ireland until 1993!

    This was the same old 19th C law on which Oscar Wilde was convicted and jailed. And it wasn’t just one of those unused legal relics. In the 80s, the great David Norris took a case to the High Court in Dublin contesting the constitutionality of the law, and he lost.

    In fact, it wasn’t until Norris then took an action to the European Court of Justice, which duly ruled in Norris’s favour that the Irish laws were a breach of the Eu convention on human rights, that moves were made to decriminalise homosexuality in Ireland.

  60. Noel

    Agreed Noel – but surely you are simply bolstering my view that the 62% was impressive rather than your opinion that it was on the low side ?

  61. Colm, my “Indeed” referred to the short time between the outright ban on homosexuality in itself and gay marriage being put into the Constitution.

    As I have been boring you all by saying so often: this change is due to no small extent to a strange Irish need to be trendy, and to be on-line with the mood in the US, UK and Europe. The endless church scandals (all about sex) over the past two decades also played their part.

    It’s as if the Irish have woken up and realised where they’d been sleeping so long and how the world had moved on, and now need to give themselves a good refreshing shake to dispel those bad dreams that they’d thought were real for so long.

    But this new mood has been with us for a decade. What other people – apart from maybe the French – wouldn’t care if their PM was living and travelling with another woman? When you think that the adulterous Bertie was elected just a few years after the people had made the prohibition of divorce permanent by putting it in the Constitution, you must admit that something rather strange happened in Ireland.

    In any case, because gay marriage doesn’t hurt anyone and is, frankly, a rather trivial matter compared to the other issues facing the country, I’m surprised that the turnout was so high and that, especially in view of the high turnout, the Yes result was relatively low.

  62. Noel

    I do concur with your surprise that the turnout was so high. I honestly felt that most people wouldn’t bother to vote as the vast majority of people are not gay and simply wouldn’t be bothered either way by a constitutional change that would not have an effect on their own lives.

  63. Noel – I don’t buy the trendy theory as decisive or even pervasive. I suspect it has more to do with the absolute collapse of the authority of the Catholic hierarchy and the fact that gays are no longer in the closet. The average Irish person has a family member or neighbor who is openly gay and recognizes that fact.

  64. I went to Luxembourg last year and was surprised to learn that their prime minister is openly gay, and in a country that is about 70% Catholic.
    Imagine my further surprise to hear that a fortnight ago he ‘married’ his architect friend Mr G. Destiny!

    It’s all getting a bit surreal now, especially with a name like that..

  65. I suspect it has more to do with the absolute collapse of the authority of the Catholic hierarchy

    Yes, a point that Noel also made.

    Who ever thought that you’d see an Ireland that no longer was Catholic in any real sense?

    Can groups like the Orange Order, whose reason for being is anti-Catholic bellicosity, continue to exist in an Ireland that isn’t Catholic anymore, an Ireland whose nationalist population may be even more anti Catholic than the Protestants are?

  66. In any case, because gay marriage doesn’t hurt anyone

    Unless, you happen to own a bakery with an opposing view.

  67. //Can groups like the Orange Order, whose reason for being is anti-Catholic bellicosity, continue to exist in an Ireland that isn’t Catholic anymore, an Ireland whose nationalist population may be even more anti Catholic than the Protestants are?//

    !! I never thought of that, but you’re right – the young population of R of Ireland is probably now on average more anti-Catholic than Ulster Unionists are.

    Also, as I mentioned somewhere a day or two ago, conservative Ulster Protestants have in any case always shared most of the mores of conservative Catholicism.

    I forcast a merger, at least politically, some day.

    On the other hand, the mad stampede away from the church may be only a passing phase. Other countries have gone through similar social upheavals, and in the end the pendulum of dialectical change, as the Marxists call it, will find its balance in a more mature middle position.

  68. Harri

    That’s an argument about the degree to which anti-discrimination law should apply, not to do with the legal existence of same sex marriage.

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