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A bunch of swarthy-skinned bearded men, complete with headscarf-wrapped women and their children boards an aircraft at Reagan National Airport in order to fly to Florida. One of the ‘hoodies’ made a remark about aircraft security or something of that nature, and the next thing they know they’re kicked off the plane and removed from the flight. The AirTran pilot determined that they were a possible risk, and acted accordingly! Good on him!


But just imagine if a similar happening took place at a British airport!


In our case, they would probably be upgraded to First Class, refunded the costs of the tickets, and given grovelling apologies from all Airline and Security staff concerned!

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35 thoughts on “if in doubt, shut up!

  1. They were a family of US born American citizens. One of the family members made a comment about where was the safest place to sit on the plane and for that remark all of them were chucked off the plane. The FBI confirmed that they were not a security risk but the airline refused to rebook their tickets even though they were wholly innocent.

  2. This is a hilarious story:

    An airline spokeman said "Someone heard something that was inappropriate, and then the airline decided to act on it." He of course didn’t tell us what that "something" was that "someone" heard, as he didn’t want to look even sillier than he already does.

    Apparently, they were overheard by a girl passenger talking about the safest place to sit on an aircraft and she got alarmed when she saw the scarves.

    At any rate, the airport official is talking blarney when he says "It just so happened these people were of Muslim ..appearance" ("Muslim appearance"? And they let fools like this become spokespeople for an airline?)

    In fact, another man taken from the flight is a Library of Congress attorney who just happened to be on the plane and apparently have this same "Muslim appearance".

  3. I was reprimanded by friends for making a joking reference to airplane safety while sitting in LAX waiting for a flight– it’s not just an issue of racial profiling. Although flying while Muslim is an obvious issue as it is Muslim radicals that have practiced the terrorism — but, it’s a known fact by everyone flying (Muslim or no) that questionnable references will be taken seriously — LAX is swarming with police. Police recently pulled over my husband’s car and wanded the bottom of it.

    Frankly, I would rather be safe than sorry and going down in a plane with some idiot who believes jihad is the way….

    I have no patience here for political correctness and looking the other way just to prove that it’s there is no racial profiling.

  4. >>I was reprimanded by friends for making a joking reference to airplane safety while sitting in LAX waiting for a flight– it’s not just an issue of racial profiling.<<

    Well, according to this reference if you had said the same things and had darker skin and wore a scarf, you would not have been reprimanded by friends but kicked off the plane by guards.

    >>Police recently pulled over my husband’s car and wanded the bottom of it.<<

    Were you driving it at the time?

    What do you mean they "wanted the bottom of it"?

    If he had been with a suspicious-looking woman would they have wanted the bottom of that too?

  5. These stoneage idiots shoul’ve been fastracked to guantanamo as soon as security removed them from the plane.

    Nice to see the usual terror sympathisers Colm and Noel are showing their true colours.

  6. Patty

    Of course security should be paramount and I have no problem with intelligently led focusing on passengers from Arabic/Islamic backgrounds, but the tone of Mike’s post above makes out this family deserved everything they got when the reality is that they were the victims of over zealousness however well intentioned. It’s not as if one of them made a deliberately provocative remark to an official, just a casual conversation between 2 members of the family that caused a panicky reaction from another passenger. This family do not deserve the mocking of Mike’s post.

  7. Noel: Yes, correct..if I had been obviously Muslim, and overheard by a nervous passenger I might have been removed from the plane. As it was, my friends worried that even though I didn’t look Muslim, if I was overheard by a nervous passenger, I still might be removed from the plane.

    You cannot sit in an airport and make remarks which might unnerve passengers and expect to be ignored. If you are dressed as a Muslim the risk is even greater.

    Everyone knows this and should act accordingly.

    As you drive into LAX, there is a police checkpoint where each and every car is observed, and some are pulled over and wanded (the pass a large wand/pole under the bottom of the car with a mirror on it — looking for explosives, I guess)
    Some cars are searched more thoroughly.

    Tough luck, heh? Airports aren’t safe. Thanks to jihadists who think blowing up planes, and people, is a path to salvation.

    No amount of political correctness changes Islamic jihad.

  8. Colm: I understand your sentiments about the tone of Mike’s post.

    I understand Mike’s over-the-top tone within the larger context of a mainstream media intent on ignoring the Islamic nature of the terrorist problem we face, and the MSM’s political correctness – the blinkers that are forced upon all of us — is endangering all of us – Muslims included – and therefore, Mike’s tone is appropriate as an intro. to a debate on the subject.

  9. Patty,

    I think there is a fundamental difference between making a "security-related" comment to Airport staff and a harmless joke/comment to a friend when in an airport (as this family did).

    There was an Irish chap who joked to US Airport Security staff that there was a bomb in his bag. He was quite rightly dragged off and locked up for a while (for being an idiot).

  10. >>You cannot sit in an airport and make remarks which might unnerve passengers and expect to be ignored. <<

    Nobody is saying the authorities should not be vigilant. But let’s say, as may be the case here, you remark that you don’t feel safe sitting beside the plane’s engine, and this remark is picked up by a young girl who then starts screaming??

    The point is that you should be removed if you make some objectively suspicious remark, and not for making some perfectly normal remark that some fool interprets as being suspicious.

    In any case, such security responses as shown here are obviously a total waste of time and serve only to reassure people as foolish as Edwin. A terrorist entering a plane would clearly not start making remarks about how dangerous his mission is or about how likely it is that he sees heaven before evening, or whether it’s even more dangerous for the bomber if he adds to the risk by sitting near the engine!

  11. "A terrorist entering a plane would clearly not start making remarks about how dangerous his mission is…"

    LOL!

    I can just picture a jihadi getting on a plane and turning to the chap beside him and saying "I don’t know about you, but I’m definitely not going to hijack the plane."

  12. >>"I don’t know about you, but I’m definitely not going to hijack the plane."<<

    Or Reg:

    "Whew! For a moment there I thought the hostess was going to give us a seat in front of an engine. The most dangerous place in the event of a crash, you know!"

  13. What are you talking about? We have seen three such incidents in the UK, all were frogmarched off the plane. After the hubris about their innocence they made their claims and the same will happen in the US. It already did last year with a similar case. Of course they were all doing it on purpose for the compensation! If some rag head starts a fuss up any plane kick the fucker off! Who cares if the airline has to pay up. Just get the bastard muzzie detonating ragheads off the plane!

  14. I think if a person aroses suspicion then they should satisfactorily explain themselves or they should not be allowed to fly. There is no place for political correctness, or taking "offense." I don’t really care if someone is "offended."

    I was offended when I was groped in Heathrow at the security checkpoint but I shut up and dealt with it.

    Terrorism causes terror, and Islamic terrorism is now a fact of life.

  15. Patty

    Were you offended because it was the fat ugly security woman who groped you rather than the dishy hunky officer you had your eye on ? πŸ™‚

  16. As a matter of fact, yes! πŸ™‚ not really..

    But seriously, I was really offended. Until you are forced to submit to being groped by a stranger you cannot really imagine how offensive it is.

    And ME! of all people! (I thought to myself)…innocent me….can’t they see that I’m the last person that deserves groping (I thought to myself) …and I looked around and saw FAR more suspicious characters being waved through…it really put me in a bad, bad mood.

    Wanted to go find a bomb..(just kidding there)

    Seriously, on reflection, it is the state of flying in the new millenium…I don’t think there is an alternative.

  17. I seem to have missed something .

    What on earth was said that was innapropriate? I just don’t get it AT ALL.

    I also must have missed the comments from Colm that show his "terrorist sympathies"

  18. Patty

    You should feel honoured. You share your ordeal with esteemed company. Diana Ross was famously ‘groped’ arrested and banged up in jail for a few hours when she resisted at Heathrow Airport. If it’s good enough for the Supreme Miss Ross , then it’s good enough for you πŸ˜‰

    Aileen

    Comments by the likes of Edwin are just too idiotic to bother with. BTW – Hope you had a good Christmas and a Happy new year.

  19. Aileen: Now I’m lost…who said Colm had terrorist sympathies?

    I could be wrong, but I think we were talking about the tone of the post.

  20. Nice to see the usual terror sympathisers Colm and Noel are showing their true colours.

    Hilarious!

  21. Aileen: never mind…found what you were talking about…that’s the problem with running in and out of conversations on the web… I lose track.

  22. Cheers Colm and yes I did.

    I am still confused about what comments were inapproprite that this family was supposed to have made. If they did make inappropriate comments, why weren’t they reported?

  23. Aileen

    They did not make inappropriate comments. One of the younger members of the family is said to have made a remark to his sister about where was the safest place to be seated on a plane in the event of a crash or emergency and this comment apparently alarmed another passenger and it all kicked off from there.

  24. Colm

    It thought that that was it but cannot for the life of me see how anyone (bar a few people stressed and overwrought about flying) could take that as IN ANY WAY inappripriate. I can forgive the other passanger as rationality can go out the window when you’re scared but I actually find it frightening that people that may have responsibity for my safety some day can make such crackpot decisions.

    I don’t even really mind the pilot researching people to reassure everyone, but not letting the family on board doesn’t make sence to me.

  25. The Airline has apologized, as they should. A fairly innocent statement and a simple wrong response that has been corrected.

  26. Nice to see the usual terror sympathisers Colm and Noel are showing their true colours.

    Hilarious!

    Agreed Petr. 2 days into 2009 and we may already have a winner.

  27. I agree with Robert Spencer:

    "By the way, I have a black beard and usually travel with a Qur’an and other Islamic books. Sometimes, although not always, I work with those books during the flight. However, I take pains to conceal any incendiary titles from other passengers, so that no one is alarmed by some guy with a beard on the flight reading The Qur’anic Concept of War. And if I am ever ejected from a flight because someone is alarmed, I will not hesitate to put up with the inconvenience uncomplainingly. Better someone is inconvenienced than that innocents are murdered. Isn’t it, Ibrahim? Isn’t it?" (Referring to Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR, the organization that will undoutedly now sue the airine and the worried passenger)

  28. I note that 3 children were included in those sent off. As it is known that muslim terrorists use children and mentally sub-normal to carry bombs as inadvertent suicides, there is every reason to believe that airplanes would be targetted in a similar manner. In short, safety was paramount so a good call.

  29. Were you drunk when you wrote this piece? Do you realise what you are saying? Replace Irish with Muslim and I reckon you’rd be up in arms about the scandal. Please don’t let your prejudice get in the way of clear thinking.

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