The state of Virginia has elected a Full Democrat Majority into it’s Legislator along with a Democrat Governor. Being good Democrats the first thing they did was attack Law Abiding Gun Owners. The problem they now face is a real one. Where the Dems definitely have the votes they don’t control the state.
This is the Political Map
The Blue areas are controlled by Democrats the Red by Republicans and a very heavy percentage are gun owners. The gun owners are upset at the State Government for attempting to remove their 2nd Amendment Right. Almost every County Government in the State has declared itself a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary. In a middle finger to the Nations Cities that have declared themselves Sanctuary’s from Federal Immigration Laws these Counties have declared themselves Sanctuary’s from State Gun Laws.
Now today there is a protest against the State Government. Governor Northrop has declared a State of Emergency. He’s screaming NeoNazi Gun Nuts are coming to kill everyone. He’s Canceled State Open Carry Laws by fiat, he’s called in military units to supplement the Capital Police, there are even snipers on the roofs……
Here is an attendee.
An attendee at the rally in Richmond Virginia dispels the media smears against rally-goers.
He says the media is mischaracterizing them, & that they are just law abiding citizens who want to advocate for their constitutional rights.#VirginiaRally
pic.twitter.com/Vp3bJX8eNi— Michael Coudrey (@MichaelCoudrey) January 20, 2020
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They found the token black guy! Yay!
If guns save lives, then why does Virginia/ NC have a gun death rate that is 300% of that of New York/Massachusetts
Note that the gun nut graphic displays an image of an assault weapon
Public safety is the last thing that any of those people want
Does it have anything to do with black on black crime?
There are plenty of black people in NY state
The percentage of the population in New York and North Carolina is it much different
Phantom.
Fine and dandy.
But do you have the demographics of all this gun crime?
Many thanks in advance.
Talking about gun crime?
I’ve never focused only on gun crime, that’s a Stupid way to look at any of this
I talk of total gun deaths
I include
Fatal accidents involving guns
Gun suicides
Neighbor disputes involving guns
The gun nuts never want to speak about any of these things, They get very angry if you bring them up
Alaska and Montana have very high gun homicide rates, and there are almost no black people in those states
Phantom.
Hope this Help?
http://vscc.virginia.gov/OCME%20VDH%20Gun%20Violence%20in%20Virginia%20(Non-Fatal%20and%20Fatal).pdf
Ha ha ha ha ha
Nobody is mad when you bring up knife crime
You should be talking about it
Perhaps we could start with talking about the demographics of gun crime in Virginia and NY?
The UK has about 25% the murder rate of the US, Plus it has a lower suicide rate and it has a lower gun accident rate of course
You guys drag up the same oul nonsense every time, When your overall safety situation is much better than that of the US
Phantom.
It would be even safer if we had less guns, less knives, and even less Africans.
You are correct to be concerned about the rate of knife killings
I will only point out that that a number of those killings are one bad guy killing another bad guy, doing society a favor
The governor of Virginia handled this ‘rally’ well. He followed the suggestions from a report done on Charlottesville. Sure enough the same type of dangerous and useless people showed up in Richmond. Recently the Democrats won the legislature and governor’s office and are passing laws they campaigned on. The demographics of Virginia have changed, it is no longer a majority redneck state. Today they repelled a redneck attack and deserve congratulations.
Northern Virginia, McLean and places like that, are areas of prosperity with many well educated and well traveled people. Very few or none of these people would obsess on guns.
I have friends in Richmond at the university who are well educated, well traveled and wish these gun types would stay away from their city. It is jarring to see these slobs hanging about in front of the beautiful building designed by Thomas Jefferson.
I’ve heard good things about Richmond, may want to stop by there ( and Charlottesville ) later this year.
The South of 2020 is a lot different from the South of 1920.
It’s all wetbacks, negros and commies now? That’s a shame.
Phantom
Richmond is worth a visit especially for history. Charlottesville is a wonderful place and although the major thing is Jefferson’s Monticello both in the city and Albermarle county there is much to interest and admire. Have a good trip.
The Commonwealth of Virginia is filled with decent, honorable and courageous peoole. You wouldn’t fit in Moore.
Harri
how bout broaden your horizons and hear from a smart black person
Al Sharpton
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe-rep-nunes-keeps-getting-caught-in-one-clumsy-lie-after-another-77119045659
here are 300 Million Legal Firearms along with 13 Trillion rounds of Ammo in Law Abiding Hands.
There are 200 Million Firearms in the hands of Criminals.
They can’t disarm the Criminals, the Law Abiding have nothing to fear and we know it.
Phantom your whole stance is racist. If you look at the films of the rally there were men and women of every race and creed. Not the neo nazis that you and the other Liberals claim.
A peaceful assembly not a shot fired. We are the Law Abiding.
pat u speak with forked tongue
on the one hand you claim there’s no support for violence within a countries borders
but on the other you claim there’s support for lethal weapons to be in the hands of the masses
Don’t add up pal = you’re full of the brown stuff .. sorry
I just won my case
The gun nuts are overwhelmingly angry white males
You guys put the token blacks upfront, just like you put the token blacks out front at the Trump hate rallies
Black Americans are in favor of gun control, as are their elected representatives
you’re a racist…. there were 22,000 people there men, woman, and children of every race, creed, and color…. you just can’t handle the fact the the real majority of Americans support their second amendment rights and they are not inbred rednecks.
They are the majority of Law Abiding working class Americans left and right who believe in the rule of law, and understand the importance of the 2nd amendment even if they don’t own a gun.
All the gun violence in this country happens at the hands of people who already aren’t legally allowed to own firearms and the fact that the Democrat city managers refuse to prosecute these criminals is the real problem and it destroys the minority communities they claim to stand for.
When you refuse to enforce the Law on the Criminal and demand that the Laws be turned to punish the Law Abiding….. You’ll never succeed.
Looks like one black guy and a few thousand extras from “ Deliverance “
you ought to be ashamed Phantom……
Here for the Paranoid Alan and Pete will love it….. there are no secrets safe in the hands of idiots… jump to 2min
” the fact that the Democrat city managers refuse to prosecute these criminals is the real problem and it destroys the minority communities they claim to stand for. ”
Got it. Trump is the best friend black people ever had and they should vote for him.
“A peaceful assembly not a shot fired. We are the Law Abiding.” The Richmond and Virginia police were out in force with ample firepower backed up by troops. Anyone who fired a shot would have been tackled and removed pronto. They knew if they caused trouble the police would collar them and detain them. That is why they were on good behavior.
Black voters went against Donald Trump by about seven or 8 to 1
Black approval for Trumps performance now stands at 10%, the same as it was two years ago, despite Trumpy shenanigans with Kanye etc
GW Bush was much more popular among black voters than Trump will ever be.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/268517/analyzing-black-support-president-trump.aspx
There is no way that crowd was a cross section of all American social racial and cultural groups. If so they would have been at least 40% black or Hispanic and they weren’t. There is nothing wrong with them being overwhelmingly white which they obviously were , they are as entitled to their views but it’s silly and fake to pretend the crowd was racially proportioned.
Absolutely not true.
Because facts are important Kurt
Al Sharpton?
Kurt, I think you might be on your own there thinking Al Sharpton is a virtue of truth?
Harri are you able to take issue with anything he said then?
show where you agree or disagree ?
give him a fair shake ..!
Al Sharpton is a racial arsonist, who was involved in two incidents where people were murdered ( Crown Heights riots, Freddy’s store ) and one extremely damaging hoax involving a false claim of rape by an innocent police officer ( the Tawana Brawley hoax )
He makes his money by shaking down corporations.
He should have been sent to prison years ago.
You might want to learn the first bit of something about those whose words you cite.
Kurt
For further details, see Phantoms post above.
I did say, you might be on your own there with your adulation of the conman and race baiter Al Sharpton, particularly with our more learned American friends on ATW.
Al Sharpton’s crimes are not academic to me. I lived through them, as I believe mahons would say that he did also.
He made race relations in NYC and the US much worse, by a long series of incitements. There are quite a few more that could be mentioned.
And he is a paid commentator for MSNBC, and is a kingmaker in the Democrat Party. They all stoop to kiss his ring. Oh yes they do.
Lowest Black Unemployment in American History…… Under Trump while your city allows Illegals to leave jail and rape and murder 92yr old women.
sorry but it is, the gun violence is committed by people who can’t legally own firearms. Felons and Drug Addicts.
Huge amounts of gun violence consists of disputes among citizens, or suicides.
The things that the gun nuts never ever wish to mention.
Those would be big reasons why Alaska and Montana would have such huge gun homicide rates, or such high homicide rates overall.
There were 22,000 people at this Rally that peacefully assembled to petition their government for a redress of issues. There were NO INCIDENTS of Violence, no arrests, and there were black, and hispanic speakers as well as white.
We are the American People that follow the laws and work for a living, and you can not disarm us.
Suicide is a seperate issue, and crimes of passion are rare.
AL Sharpton has always been a race hustler. His status as some sort of civil rights icon is an abomination. His horrendous and damaging behavior is well known in New York. It is also well known to those who have to their own disgrace treated him as deserving respect, and that includes virtually every Democratic politician I can think of.
So Patrick again does the shimmy shake, avoiding a huge part of the gun problem body count.
There were no incidents because the police had a close eye on those bums
No Phantom you try to equate suicide as a gun problem, it’s not. Those people that commit suicide will do so whether they have access to a gun or not. You just can’t accept it.
Yeah keep telling yourself that skippy, it’s the same line the blackface advocate for afterbirth abortion Governor is trying to pedal…….
that ship won’t float, these people even cleaned up their trash, unlike the animals at the Women’s March.
You’re a hater of anyone who doesn’t see things the way you do which happens to be the majority of people.
These people are Bums. Blue Collar Workers that own firearms are Bums……. NYrs are assholes.
Guns in the house make suicide extremely easy
And leaving guns unsecured in the house, a common practice among gun owners, makes it very easy for a despondent teenager to take one’s life
And that happens… a lot
I’m not saying this for you, who has your mind welded shut for eternity on this issue, but for the others outside the US
Note that Patrick ( and Pete ) have never once mentioned this issue, unless someone ( me ) brought it up.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2019/01/teen-suicide-guns-in-america-mass-shootings-data/581335/
https://www.infowars.com/infowars-armored-truck-is-viral-sensation-at-virginia-2nd-amendment-rally/
We don’t mention it Phantom because it’s irrelevant.
Suicide is not a gun issue, it is another issue that you have no clue about. A Person that chooses to kill themselves will kill themselves. The problems the person is going through are well established before they pick up a gun and blow their brains out.
A Gun in the House doesn’t make a person commit suicide you claim that it does and that’s just stupid.
It is a gun issue. A person who decides to kill themselves will attempt to kill themselves. Whether they kill themselves or not will then depend on how lethal the attempt is. Suicide by firearm is far more lethal than other suicide methods. When someone tries to commit suicide with a gun they succeed the overwhelming majority of the time. When they attempt suicide by some other method they normally fail.
Anyone who has studied the matter at all knows that what Seamus says at 242 is correct.
You might bring back someone who has ingested pills, you may even bring back someone who has cut his wrists but you will not bring back a despondent 16 year old who blew his head off in a moment of despair, with a gun that his father left lying around.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/us/pilot-racist-graffiti-tallahassee-florida-endeavor/index.html
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Sorry but it isn’t. How much gun homicide in the US is neighbour and family disputes, school shootings, accidents etc? And of course drug addicts can perfectly legally buy a gun while felons can buy guns online, through gun shows, or through some other private sale.
As to the suicide issue, guns make suicide more convenient. Someone who has had an argument with his wife/ girlfriend / parents etc goes and gets drunk then returns home where ther’s a weapon is much more likely to use that weapon on himself or others than throw himself or others off a roof/ in front of a train/ walk in front of a bus etc.
Kurt.
Told you so.
Yes, he’s black, no, he is not someone to look up to.
What he actually is, is a fraud.
Facts are important.
Patrick, unless a Zombie apocalypse breaks out.
No one really “needs” to be armed to the teeth.
The laws proposed in VA don’t disarm anyone, and law abiding folks have nothing to worry about.
There were some heavily armed people at the rally that must have thought that they were coming to liberate Fallujah
They should all be locked up in the closest insane asylum
Bullshit Mahons they make Law Abiding citizens criminals…..
Guns are the right of every American, self defense is the right of every human being.
99% of non suicide deaths by firearms are drug related, most suicides are drug related.
Look if someone in your family blows their brains out it’s not because they have access to a gun. It’s because they are suffering from mental issues period, and if they picked up a gun and blew their brains out and you as a family member YOU are more responsible for that suicide than the firearm.
All your wisdom and antigun nonsense did not stop them or help them in any way they killed themselves because YOU didn’t help them, because YOU didn’t make them feel they could to talk to YOU about their problem, and because YOU lacked the ability to even notice that someone you love, know or care about killed themselves…..
Well that Suicide is more YOUR FAULT than the gun, pills, or razor they used to end their Life. YOU failed them and they died.
The gun makes it more likely than other methods. Most other methods of suicide fail a majority of the time. That offers better chance of intervention to prevent future attempts.
“Guns are the right of every American”
No, guns are a fetish of a minority of Americans that they inflict on the rest of society.
So they’re all killing themselves because of guns…..
Patrick.
Put down the killing machine weapons, and place your trust in God.
You heathen.
Seamus you can say minority, but there are over 500 MILLION Guns in the hands of the American civilian population while there are only 330 Million people.
Claim minority all you want.
Bible in my left hand, sam colt in my right…….
I believe that Patrick is the only American here who has this fetish.
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And again – the mob was kept in check only by police measures. The police learned from Charlottesville.
One of complainers had a sign saying ” The American Revolution Began for Less “
If that isn’t a thinly veiled threat, I don’t know what is.
Finland has one of the highest percentages of gun ownership in Europe. Only Cyprus has more. There are 32 funds per 100 people in Finland, compared to 7 in Ireland and 5 in the UK.
*32 guns
If people don’t abide by the law then they are not law abiding. If they do abide then they are law abiding. It isnt complicated. Not one of the proposed laws in Virginia requires anyone to turn in any gun or turns a law abiding citizen into a criminal.
It is a minority. Just fetish people such as yourself often have more than one gun. Only about a third of Americans own a gun.
You can try and write un-constitutional laws and make the Law Abiding Criminals while you free illegals to rape and murder 92yr old woman all you want.
Phantom claims the Police kept the thugs in line…… What thugs ?
The Blackface wearing child murdering Governor went into a panic over the peoples right to assemble The 1st Amendment, about their 2nd Amendment because they do not believe in in Civil Rights.
They wanted to shut down a 1st Amendment Protest over the state trying to criminalize their 2nd Amendment rights. The Law Abiding came out peaceably and protested but like Phantom the blackface wearing advocate for infanticide panicked that people are allowed to carry guns.
So as Phantom has attacked peaceful law abiding citizens the blackface wearing advocate for infanticide also attacked these people calling them NAZIS and TERRORISTS.
You may all stand with the blackface wearing advocate for infanticide, but the majority of Americans do not.
Law abiding citizens only become criminals when the break the law.
Only some 30% of Americans own guns and some 60% say gun laws in the US should be made stricter:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/22/facts-about-guns-in-united-states/
No one wanted To interfere with the peaceful right of protest
You are making that up
nope sorry you’re wrong and so is Seamus.
Patrick – your comments are out of line and overwrought. You not only will fail to persuade anyone of your point, you’ll make people feel there is no point in discussing it with you.
It is a minority. It’s around 1/3 of US citizens, obviously with some with multiple weapons.
There are multiple photos of mask-wearing, heavily armed complainers at Virginia.
If there wasn’t a significant police presence, that scene would have become ugly, quickly.
Hiding behind ski masks no less Phantom:
https://nypost.com/2020/01/20/virginia-gun-rally-activists-gather-in-richmond-protest-gun-control-proposal/
No6 might seem a bit suspect to some……
Mahons, I don’t expect to convince anyone.
The only two Americans on here beside me are both NYrs, and where you can be reasonable the other one can’t. The rest are foreigners and are incapable of understanding this subject worse than every other issue inside our nation.
I merely state the perspective that they will never understand and you refuse to.
America is an armed camp, it always has been and always will be.
When 90% of violent crime is committed by 10% of the criminals and the Democrats refuse to enforce Laws that are already on the books the Law abiding are not going to allow anyone to disarm them.
When you have every major Democrat City in the country refusing to deal with the mental health and drug crises that has caused millions of people to live, sleep and shit in their streets we will not be lectured about the mental health issue of suicide.
In response to Paul
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6125210402001#sp=show-clips
//if someone in your family blows their brains out it’s not because they have access to a gun.
…they killed themselves because YOU didn’t help them, because YOU didn’t make them feel they could to talk to YOU about their problem, and because YOU lacked the ability to even notice that someone you love, know or care about killed themselves…..
..YOU failed them and they died//
Patrick, of the dozen or so errors and plain untruths from you on this thread alone (“99% of non suicide deaths by firearms are drug related”, anybody?), that one must be up there among the most totally brainless. Suicides obviously happen for very many different reasons; they often happen in families that do care and when family members have done everything possible to help the person in distress.
I’d like to see you go to all the heartbroken parents in Ireland with a child who killed him/herself and tell them that they failed their kid.
Besides, often the suicide isn’t even in distress. People sometimes kill themselves after calmly weighing up their options, often after they have resigned themselves to a premature death from, say, cancer, and want to choose the time, place and method of their own exit. That’s especially true of countries in eastern Europe (which have the highest rates in the world); where there’s a very high rate of atheism and a kind of “tradition” of suicide after you’ve lived a full life and know that it no longer holds any future for you.
Why were they hiding behind ski masks Pat?
Notwithstanding the off exception studies show that manhood size on the x-axis and number of guns owned on the y-axis shows the correlation , the smaller the manhood or member width/girth the greater guns owned
amazing research proving a guy with a decent manhood don’t need a gun
go figure !
Now watch him justify the wearing of masks
This guys does better ballet moves than Nuryev
Here Paul……
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/photos-gun-rally-virginia/605230/
Yes I know Pat. Why were some hiding behind ski masks?
look at these crowd photos….. I see very few masks
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-photos-virginia-gun-rally/ss-BBZ9lzp?li=BBnbcA1#image=1
Unlike these Fascists goons.
https://www.facebook.com/antifa.usa/
Unlike these Fascists goons.
https://www.facebook.com/antifa.usa/
This group in Richmond included members of armed militia gangs
And militias have an awful lot in common with antifa.
They both believe in taking the law into their own hands if someone does something political in nature that does not meet with their approval
Patrick – there are very knowledgeable Europeans here, some of whom have commented above, many with more factual support tHan you hAve used. I hardly think geography dictates correctness. And again, none of the laws called for disarming people.
Radical gun groups keep these guys terrified all the time.
But there were some who were hiding behind ski masks? Why?
Mahons I have the utmost respect for the mids of all on this sit. However there are very few here that have any clue about life in the US, just as I have little of life in NI.
There is also no one on this site except me that has any clue on this subject. It is one of two subjects that I am the expert on.
None of you have my training, skill, or history on firearms. I hold multiple Federal Licenses and certificates of training and to train.
I also have the most in depth knowledge on crime, the courts and the police.
Now you can dismiss my knowledge and training, but when you do so you speak out of emotion and politics, not out of reality.
A Gun is nothing but a tool, an inanimate object incapable of functioning on it’s own. It is the hand that the tool is in that matters nothing else.
I have also spent over 30yrs of my life volunteering in the mental health industry, primarily helping addicts and the homeless, both that have a very high rate of suicide. People don’t kill themselves just because they have access to a gun.
because it was 30f 0c…… it’s called being cold.
Good comment, Mr. Clinton.
Patrick
I may not have your encyclopaedic knowledge of firearms and ammo, but I certainly know how to use my weapon 😱
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2014/08/01/masked-armed-militias-patrolling-texas-side-of-border-draw-scrutiny/
Militia members wear masks in Texas in the summertime
” Because its cold “
Phantom
Everyone knows the reason why the militia members wear masks . It’s a public statement of solidarity with devote Muslim womenfolk 😉
They are ” antifa right ”
Same as the other fellas, only with different fetishes
As disengenuous as I did not have sex with that woman
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/tbt-clinton-grand-jury-testimony/index.html
Patrick is big Clinton guy now.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/09/virginia-gun-control-second-amendment-civil-war
I suspect that’s closer to the truth.
Yes, a number of these guys talk like that now, incited by talk radio instigators led by Alex Jones, who was there in Richmond, VA, but also including Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh and them.
Patrick – I think you can certainly claim an expertise on the technical aspects of firearms. As for the other matters, I haven’t found your self-professed expertise to be convincing. On this post alone you’ve been demonstrably wrong on matters in which you claim to be an expert.
Patrick – I think you can certainly claim an expertise on the technical aspects of firearms. As for the other matters, I haven’t found your self-professed expertise to be convincing. On this post alone you’ve been demonstrably wrong on matters in which you claim to be an expert.
He was seriously wrong about how gun shows worked.
I recall a specific question about Virginia gun shows.
Well let’s give him the technical aspect of identifying a particular firarm, make, model etc. Technical as to weaponry does not apply to expertise on the law.
Brilliant stuff, from ATW’s most open-to-persuasion contributor. The only person who can show change of opinion over the many years at ATW is me: the rest of you are fossilised in whatever bizarre-isms you believed in back whenever, and that includes Patrick.
But Allan, over the years I’ve been persuaded you are a crazy jackass.
I’ve never been wrong about gun shows and if these were the “Antifa Right” I put up a link of photos of the Protest. There are pictures of over 20,000 people 22 I believe was the official number.
Look at the Photos you will find less than 10 people wearing masks. You will see a ton of people wearing winter coats hats scarfs and yes ski masks… it was cold.
Also Antifa destroys and riots. Nothing was destroyed, attacked, looted, or burned. I even have film of the protestors at the end of the event handing out trash bags and cleaning up after themselves….. The Antifa of the Right…. the attack of an anti-gun mini bloomberg Phantom.
So Allan when’s your Bar Mitzvah ?
Did it hurt when you were circumcised? I couldn’t walk for a year.
Drumroll please.
lol
on the other idiocy front…. The Dems spent the whole day explaining why they need witnesses now that they refused to go to court to fight for those witnesses when it was their job to do so.
Antifa 1.0 doesn’t riot when there is an overwhelming police presence either
Same thing here
These posers didn’t want to go to jail
face it Phantom you just hate America.
🙂
I did not have sex with that woman
Meanwhile, over at the Senate, Republicans deny due process:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world/us_and_canada
aye paul shameless
well that’s the Senate gone in 2020
you can bet on that and make a few quid
even pat would agree with that – senate is gone 100%
the cult of trump, GOP cowered into obsequies bondage
dunno whether to laugh or cry ..
Laugh .. GOP is in self-destruct mode
and prolly be out of office for a generation
USA voters will NEVER trust them again
this is going down badly – polls show that clearly
even fox news quoted those poll numbers