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The novel coronavirus came from Chinese ways, and from a Chinese communist government coverup.

You can’t fix a problem that you don’t look straight in the eye.

Bravo, Bill Maher.

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120 thoughts on “It’s China’s Virus, Let’s Admit it

  1. Well said Bill Maher, but the 1918 Spanish Flu did not come from Spain. It’s generally accepted that the first recorded case was from a US army camp in Kansas. Because of censorship it was not reported in the US or UK or France or Germany even after it was endemic in those countries. Neutral Spain was the first country to report it and got lumbered with the name.

  2. Peter

    You are of course correct about the Spanish flu.

    But Maher hits it out of the park otherwise here. He is catching some abuse from the usual idiots who are calling his commentary racist. What a surprise.

  3. Yes Peter. I’ve read that it’s thought to have been introduced to Europe by American soldiers.

  4. Yes Phantom

    I think it should get called Wuhan Virus because that’s where it came from. Those “wet markets” are petri-dishes for breeding the next Spanish Flu which could easily kill tens of millions. China should face trade sanctions if it fails to close them.

  5. That’s well said by Bill Maher. He’s a left-lib who’s not afraid to take on the sillier lefy-lib ideas.

    Is that Chairman Mao in his garden?

  6. China is a proud country. They don’t want other countries to tell them what to do.

    Too damned bad.

    Close those filthy barbarian markets down.

    Pete

    That’s about correct. He is a true liberal. Extremely liberal socially, pro cannabis, A savage critic of Donald Trump. But he has always been a savage critic of Islamic oppression, And here he is not afraid to take on China.

    I’d like to see some leaders in the Democratic Party talk like this.

  7. Phantom, on April 11th, 2020 at 10:09 PM Said:
    China is a proud country. They don’t want other countries to tell them what to do.
    Too damned bad.
    Close those filthy barbarian markets down.

    They did, for a couple of weeks, then promptly reopened them again.

    I believe in one district somewhere or other in China, they have banned the boiling alive (because they taste better boiled alive) of dogs, cats and kittens. Otherwise, it’s wet- market business as usual.

    It started in a wet-market my arse.

  8. In fs t China is such a proud country, the barbarians will eat anything with a pulse.

    And boil them alive first so they taste better.

    Oh, how proud they must be.

    Jesus H Christ.

    Stupidity has just reached a whole new level.

  9. Let’s just check what happened……

    Here we have a German doctor, a pulmonologist, the awesomely named Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, explaining that Coronavirus is literally the flu. Not “a flu,” but “THE flu.”

    He explains that every year, there are over 100 different respiratory viruses that cause what we label “the flu,” and that these viruses constantly change every year to avoid the human immune system, and that one of the classes of these viruses is Coronavirus. I didn’t know this, but it is true.

    He cites a study in Scotland that took place from 2005 to 2013, where they did mass tests on the various forms of winter virus that cause the flu, and found that 7-15% of flu cases are caused by Coronaviruses. Or at least that was the case in Glasgow from 2005 to 2013.

    Dr. Wodarg goes on to explain that Wuhan is the Chinese capital of viral research, and that they initially, in late 2019, did tests on under 50 people, looking at the RNA of the viruses they were infected with. They found a new type of Coronavirus and were intrigued by it. The Chinese entered it into a database, which scientists in Berlin examined to try to create a test. They came up with one and submitted it to WHO very quickly, and WHO very quickly accepted it.

    So clearly the Chinese did what should have been done according to protocols. He goes on to say that when the Chinese got the test back from Germany, they were extremely excited about it and started panicking. He says, accurately, that when China began panicking, every politician in the world was required to give a response on what they thought about the Coronavirus. They consulted their own virologists, and came to the conclusion that they should develop a test themselves. Then the testing began. Of course, when the tests were given, yes, people were dying with Coronavirus. And so the hysteria was unleashed and taken advantage of.

  10. China began panicking,

    Welding Chinese citizens into their dwelling, with no form escape, pretty much tells us this Chinese virus did not start in a local wet-market.

    It was far more serious.

    If it wasn’t, why have they reopened all those wet-markets?

    Burn each and every bio-lab to the ground.

    Kill them with fire, not required thank you, not needed, cheerio, cure us, not kill us you totalitarian bunch of power crazed psychopathic inhumane barbaric bastards.

    Those pitchforks and flaming torches are inches away.

  11. Burn each and every bio-lab to the ground.

    Those bio-labs aren’t there to do nothing, and Porton Down isn’t a cartoon film about rabbits

  12. Allan

    Just to be clear, which conspiracy are you pedalling?

    The “wet market” conspiracy?

    The Wuhan virus lab conspiracy?

    The 5G conspiracy (as per Putin’s propaganda channel RT)?

    Or some other conspiracy, as yet unknown but probably involving Joos?

  13. Maybe Allan is riding the “Its all being done to help Bill Gates get richer and more powerful” bus 🙂

  14. I’d like to see some leaders in the Democratic Party talk like this.

    Good luck with that Phantom. But maybe as we crawl out of our caves in May or June there will be a few on the left who have the balls to call out China and its apologists and that leads to meaningful action. That would mean trade sanctions until the filthy “wet markets” are closed for good. I’m not holding my breath.

  15. Peter – it’s a variant of respiratory viruses typically known as flu.

    I’m looking down your posts from tonight and you seem to have missed out on some meds. Often you may seek to engage but at the moment, you’re making yourself look very foolish. Come back to us tomorrow 🙂

  16. had to look up “wet markets” on google
    turns out its selling stuff that is wet –
    took that as a prompt to call it a day

    easter has come , its sunday ,
    glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit

  17. For those who may not be familiar with him, Bill Maher has been engaging in intellectual combat with bullshit, including intolerant Islam for quite a long time.

    It’s amazing that he still has the platform that he does.

  18. I still don’t buy it..

    A novel coronavirus outbreak that originated in Wuhan, China, has killed at least 2,700 people and infected more than 80,000 others.
    Coronaviruses are zoonotic diseases, meaning they jump from animals to humans.
    The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan may have been the starting point of this outbreak. It was shuttered January 1.
    At many wet markets, meat, poultry, and seafood are sold alongside live animals for consumption.
    On February 24, China’s top legislature banned the buying, selling, and eating of wildlife.
    Visit Business Insider’s homepage for more stories.
    The novel coronavirus and the SARS outbreak of 2003 have two things in common: Both are from the coronavirus family, and both most likely started in wet markets.

    At such markets, outdoor stalls are squeezed together to form narrow lanes, where locals and visitors shop for cuts of meat and ripe produce. A stall selling caged chickens may abut a butcher counter, where meat is chopped as nearby dogs watch hungrily. Some vendors hock hares, while seafood stalls display glistening fish and shrimp.

    Wet markets put people and live and dead animals — dogs, chickens, pigs, snakes, civets, and more — in constant close contact. That makes it easy for zoonotic diseases to jump from animals to humans.

    “Poorly regulated, live-animal markets mixed with illegal wildlife trade offer a unique opportunity for viruses to spill over from wildlife hosts into the human population,” the Wildlife Conservation Society said in a statement

    https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-chinese-wet-market-photos-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

  19. Excuse me…they did what!

    REVEALED: U.S. government gave $3.7million grant to Wuhan lab at center of coronavirus leak scrutiny that was performing experiments on bats from the caves where the disease is believed to have originated

    The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology
    The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
    The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
    They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
    Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan’s caves
    The U.S. government funded research on coronavirus transmission in the lab over the past decade

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

  20. An Easter Sunday read…

    And a happy (if that’s the correct term?) resurrection of Jesus Christ day to the ATW Christian religious folk.

    One of the big questions lately is: ‘are they fiddling the death statistics?’ Yes they are, possibly with good reason.

    Some countries are putting an underlying condition as cause of death to reduce the terror in the numbers. Others, like China, are simply lying. Yet others are attributing any death to coronavirus and inflating their figures.

    Anyone testing positive for Flu Manchu and then dies is counted as a Flu Manchu death even if they died of a stroke or heart attack and had no flu symptoms. It’s a notifiable disease so it has to be on the death certificate but it isn’t necessarily the actual cause of death. Anyone showing symptoms is added to the list even if they aren’t actually tested. Deaths from flu and pneumonia are mysteriously low this year. They’re all counted as the new coronavirus.

    The number of total deaths sounds scary, but people die all the time. It’s an inescapable consequence of being alive. Flu has a large death toll every year, usually among the elderly and the already sick, but nobody advocates lockdown every winter. They probably will now.

    The kill rate is really not what makes this new one so dangerous. It’s trick is that it spreads so very easily and someone infected can spread it for a long time before they know they have it. Flu does cause a hell of a lot of cases and a lot of death but the symptoms appear in a few days. The new one can be spreading for weeks before it strikes the carrier and there is still the possiblility of long term asymptomatic spreaders. So, today, you might only have a few cases but two weeks from now, you could have a massive spike.

    Around 20% of those cases will need hospitalisation and most of them won’t need intensive care. Most will recover with treatment. The thing is, 20% of a million cases is two hundred thousand in hospital. Unlike flu, that’s not spread over months. It’s likely to be spread over weeks. If you’re in there for three weeks recovering then the hospitals are soon full. Then you’re at the stage where doctors have to decide who gets treatment.

    Lockdown is a way to avoid that. Limit the spread. There is no way to stop it but you can slow it down. The shrieking harpies of the press love to put out the total number of deaths as if they could have been avoided. The final number of infections and the final number of deaths from this virus will not change whether you let everyone loose or seal them in their homes. That final number, whatever it is, is going to happen no matter what.

    The point of the lockdown is to ensure that the timing of that final number is extended. To ensure they don’t all arrive at hospital within a week, but show up over a period of months. Then the medical system can cope. If they all show up at once then the hospitals are overflowing, there aren’t enough medical staff (proper medical staff, not the managers with personal parking places and plush offices) and then the whole system collapses. It’s not just that there aren’t enough beds for coronavirus patients – in that scenario, there are no beds at all for all the other illnesses. So while the final number of deaths from coronavirus will be the same, the deaths from other illnesses will be much higher because they can’t be treated.

    It is vitally important that people avoid too much contact at this time. You’re going to get it, no matter what, but I’m sure that if you are in the 20% who need hospital treatment you’d much rather there was space to treat you and you don’t have to die alone in a tent on the hospital lawn.

    This is why they are inflating the numbers. They don’t need to in Germany, the German people are very strict and rigid when it comes to rules and will self-enforce them. The British and the Americans are a different matter. We don’t much care about rules. We follow the ones we like but tend to rebel against the ones we don’t like. So tell us to stay home. Week one, fine, we can lounge around and play games and treat it like taking a sickie. Week two, boredom sets in. Now we are at Easter weekend and there are people taking trips and having parties and barbecues…

    Boris delayed lockdown as long as he could because he knew what the British are like. Trump isn’t pushing hard on lockdown yet because he knows what Americans are like. Neither country will put up with it for very long. Do it too soon and it will fail too soon. Also if they did it from day one, when it would be most effective, people would look around and say ‘Nothing is happening. This is all bollocks’ and then it will fall apart. And then they will not listen to a second lockdown when the shit hits the fan.

    So the inflated figures are scary because they are meant to be. The British and American people will not take it seriously otherwise and then we’ll end up like Italy or Spain (or worse, like the mysteriously unreported Belgium). It’s scaring some sense into people, and while it does involve lying, I think it’s a sensible approach. Because you buggers will shrug it off otherwise.

    There have been some mutterings that it is hitting black and Asian people harder and apparently that’s racist. Even viruses are racist now. Well, look at who mostly ignored the lockdown and still does. That’s why it’s hitting them harder. Considering the police are more interested in fining a lone person on a beach than breaking up mass gatherings of minorities, I do wonder if that’s part of the plan…

    There are going to be idiots who insist ‘it’s a bank holiday, I’m having a barbecue/party/going to the beach’. There will be other bank holidays. You can skip just one. If you don’t you might have to skip them all.

    I can’t even take an Easter egg to my granddaughter. I can’t visit my kids either. I can’t go to Wales to see my mother and brother and the rest of the family. CStM and I cannot visit her family in Denmark. Not that I would get on a plane at the moment anyway. It’s not fun but it is important.

    Nothing will change the eventual number of infections, hospitalisations and deaths from this virus. Nothing. The daily death toll is just morbid reporting for clicks and to snipe at the government. In every country. All we can do is slow the rate of getting there so the health systems can cope. Otherwise the deaths from other diseases will be very much higher.

    Oh, and this virus isn’t going away. I’m sure most people link the Black Plague with the Great Fire of London in 1666 but it started in the mid 1300s and lasted 400 years. It’s still endemic in a few places now. This virus will, likewise, not just vanish. When most people have at least some immunity it will recede into the background but like flu, it will return to kill more people every year.

    So be scared of it. Stay home. Don’t let it surge into an overwhelming number of cases at once. Keep its spread slow, keep it at a level the health services can deal with.

    Otherwise there won’t be any point continuing with Panoptica. You’ll be living it.

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/

  21. //For those who may not be familiar with him, Bill Maher has been engaging in intellectual combat with bullshit, including intolerant Islam for quite a long time. //

    Engaging with intolerant Islam? Big deal.

    He more than compensates for that by adding to the mountain of bullshit in Israeli propaganda.

  22. Harri

    Patrick always wants to F* the French, you want to screw the Chinese, what is with this sexual inerest in specific Nationalities? 🙂

  23. Well said Noel.

    Good to see Maher discusses intolerence and extremism. Not so much extreme measures of collective punishment, denial of drinking water etc though.

  24. If Israel is a problem, it is 0.0000000000000000000001% the problem that radical Islam has always been, for more than a thousand years before modern Israel was born. Yes the usual suspects will always obsess on the one, small , Jewish State.

    Murderous and oppressive Islam dominates a huge part of the world. Minimal, breezy comment from trendies at best.

    A Jewish State exists? Horrible!!

  25. Is Bill Maher known in Europe?

    His show has always been fairly controversial

    He used to have a network program called “ politically incorrect”. He was thrown off the air when, in the days after 911, He publicly agreed with a guests comment that the 9/11 hijackers were not cowards ( they were not. They were evil, but not cowards )

    He subsequently got the gig at HBO, Where there are no advertisers to please and where he has been free of any censorship

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_Incorrect

  26. Yes, one that killed almost 1,500 civilians killed in 2014, engages in denial of drinking water to a specific populace, collective punishment and routinely flouts International Law.

    By all means condemn extremism and injustice but don’t airbrush that of your favourite tyranny. Then you won’t have the ‘usual suspects’ (like those who brought Islam into a conversation about a virus in China), remind you of your selective hypocrisy.

  27. New signs suggest coronavirus was in California far earlier than anyone knew

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A man found dead in his house in early March. A woman who fell sick in mid-February and later died.

    These early COVID-19 deaths in the San Francisco Bay Area suggest that the novel coronavirus had established itself in the community long before health officials started looking for it. The lag time has had dire consequences, allowing the virus to spread unchecked before social distancing rules went into effect.

    “The virus was freewheeling in our community and probably has been here for quite some time,” Dr. Jeff Smith, a physician who is the chief executive of Santa Clara County government, told county leaders in a recent briefing.

    How long? A study out of Stanford suggests a dramatic viral surge in February.

    But Smith on Friday said data collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, local health departments and others suggest it was “a lot longer than we first believed” — most likely since “back in December.”

    “This wasn’t recognized because we were having a severe flu season,” Smith said in an interview. “Symptoms are very much like the flu. If you got a mild case of COVID, you didn’t really notice. You didn’t even go to the doctor. The doctor maybe didn’t even do it because they presumed it was the flu.”

    Just as New York has strong ties to travelers from Europe, who are believed to have brought the coronavirus there from Italy, the Bay Area is a natural hub for those traveling to and from China. Santa Clara County had its first two cases of COVID-19 almost a week before federal approval of emergency testing for the disease Feb. 4. Both were in travelers returning from Wuhan, China, where the virus was rampant.

    read more

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-signs-suggest-coronavirus-was-in-california-far-earlier-than-anyone-knew/ar-BB12umOy

  28. Please watch the video again, and pay attention this time

    Maher started this immediate conversation. He is the one who correctly referred to non or minimal criticism of Islam into a larger discussion of non criticism of wicked cultural practices in other lands.

    Those who won’t criticize China are generally the same intellectual shirkers who won’t criticize Islam.

  29. as I was saying it only makes sense that it was in California before anywhere else just due to the flow of air trafic.

  30. So Bill Mahers is some big shakes for criticising fundamentalist Islam on American TV???

    He’s fine with civilians being killed as long as they’re Palestinian, coming out with the Troll-like “Look, people die in wars”, and, in fact, that Israel has shown restraint in its mass killings of civilians because it could have used nuclear weapons. Yes, he said that and he was being serious.

    And let’s celebrate Easter with Maher’s claim that Christianity and Islam are warfare religions, and thus more dangerous than Judaism.

  31. Yeah, I watche the video but here, on this blog it’s the usual suspects introducing a dog whistle into a completely unrelated conversation.

    Those who won’t criticize China are generally the same intellectual shirkers who won’t criticize Islam.

    And of course you have the evidence to support that bullshit opinion.

  32. Peter,

    Well said Bill Maher, but the 1918 Spanish Flu did not come from Spain. It’s generally accepted that the first recorded case was from a US army camp in Kansas. Because of censorship it was not reported in the US or UK or France or Germany even after it was endemic in those countries. Neutral Spain was the first country to report it and got lumbered with the name.

    There’s actually evidence that shows a strong possibility Spanish flu originated in China.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/

  33. Patrick

    Happy Easter Everyone

    You too Patrick. I hope you have a great day mate.
    This is a weird one for me. It’s the first Easter I can remember that I’m spending alone. But I have got a zoom chat with friends and family later.

    Here’s wishing everyone else an ATW the best Easter possible given the circumstances.

  34. Indeed Dave and Paddy. Happy Easter! It’s 48 F here and windy so I won’t go for my walk this morning. Just me and her stuck in the house today with some lamb chops for lunch. No family allowed.

  35. Noel

    For starters, Maher Has said that the Arabs do have some grievances. He has also said that American aid to Israel should stop, that they should stand on their own two feet.

    He also lost his national television gig for defending Arab Muslim terrorists from an inaccurate charge of cowardice, one made by the president in the fall of 2001

    His criticism of Islam was of a different nature Then what was typically heard on American TV at the time —and now. George W. Bush And others at the time largely said that the September 11 attacks had Nothing to do with Islam, that it and similar acts were the work of a few radicals with perverted views of a great faith

    And everybody on the face of the earth knew that it had everything to do with Islam.

    Maher went into considerable detail about how the big majority of Muslims in Major nations such as Egypt and Pakistan supported a penalty of execution for the “ crime “ of leaving the Islamic faith. Etc etc

    This was the cultural soil from which Al Queda and the thousand other devils grew, and from which more sucg groups will grow.

    He spoke of this religious and cultural root cause if Islamic terror in a way that no president, no UK or German Prime minister spoke of.

    He was very controversial in 2001, and he remains a lightning rod now. I know of no major US TV commentator Who comes close to the specificity and correctness of his claims on all of this.

    When it is appropriate to criticize a culture ( including US culture ) he does it. Other major media types don’t.

    On radio, Michael Savage would be similar, on the matter of both China and Islamic terror
    .

  36. arabs and jews are from the same lineage, Abraham Sarah – Isaac the israelits, Hagar the Arabs

  37. For starters, Maher Has said that the Arabs do have some grievances

    No shit Sherlock? I wonder does he ‘engage in intellectual combat’ in condemning Israel’s human rights abuses against Gaza & the West Bank and Israel’s continuous grab of Palestinian land?

  38. He lost his job For defending Muslim Arabs

    He is a lot braver and far more intellectually honest than the “ Johnny one note “ Allan-like critics of Israel

  39. Again, does he criticise Israel human rights abuses aimed at a specific populace and its illegal land grab?

    Actually don’t bother answering. It’s a rhetorical question.

    Maher Has said that the Arabs do have some grievances

    As a smug, mildly amusing Israel propagandist television personality that’s mighty graceful of him. I’m sure those living in conditions akin to open air prisons are really thankful.

  40. Maher doesn’t embrace the romanticism of Arabs that plagues much of the European left, and their hatred of Israel that compels them to turn a discussion on the origin of the Chinese virus to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

  41. No he doesn’t. He’ll quite rightly comment on the violence and extremes of Islam though while gently and quietly airbrushing over the human rights abuses of others in the region while simultaneously lauding them.

    Perhaps if the conversation hadn’t been diverted to the completely unrelated Mahers and his ‘intellectual combat’ his obvious double standards wouldn’t have been pointed out?

  42. It’s a virus that has little to do with sympathy for the Arabs. It has been passed down through the generations from the Middle Ages, with no vaccine on the horizon.

  43. It’s a virus that has little to do with sympathy for the Arabs

    And there we are. The sly innuendo that acts as a shield to any justified criticism.

  44. Ted Cruz, at the polar opposite end politically of Maher, has praised his comments on China.

  45. Nothing.

    It’s what he hasn’t said:

    Good to see Maher discusses intolerence and extremism. Not so much extreme measures of collective punishment, denial of drinking water etc though.

  46. Yes. Nothing at all:

    By all means condemn extremism and injustice but don’t airbrush that of your favourite tyranny.

  47. In other words while there is no evidence offered by his detractors here that Maher has supported some wrongful act by Israel he is insufficiently uncritical of Israel because they are unaware of any particular criticism he may or may not have made of Israel.

  48. That’s not the issue.

    The issue is that he speaks of extremism and injustice while quietly ignoring, and sometimes mocking, the extremism and injustices of those he lauds.

    That’s selective hypocrisy.

  49. China is well into the process of committing Cultural extermination of the Tibetans and of the Uighurs

    China has established an illegal imperial domain of a huge swath of the Pacific Ocean

    China Has unleashed a terrible virus upon the world, which has Caused a huge numbers of deaths and vasr economic destruction

    Yet there will be many who have barely a thing to say about any of the Above crimes against humanity

    Always, they turn the subject to the real or imagined crimes of a few Jews In the only Jewish state in the world. Why is that?

  50. When? Be specific as you’d like. Or does every criticism of such things as Islamic terrorism require the speaker be critical of Israel in the same breath?

  51. Always, they turn the subject to the real or imagined crimes of a few Jews In the only Jewish state in the world. Why is that?

    Because you intoduced an absolutely unrelated issue into an absolutely unrelated conversation above?

    Go on, why don’t you come out and accuse us of what you’re slyly trying to imply?

  52. Paul

    You don’t know Bill Maher at all

    He makes everybody uncomfortable. That’s his job.

    He once lost his network job over his outspokenness

    He bites the hand that feeds him, As any thinking person should do

    You may want to re-examine your own prejudices. Here, his criticism of the Islamic murder machine set you offInto a forming rage that will probably last until the End of the summer time. Why is that

  53. Here:

    It’s obvious that Israelis, in all of their battles with the Palestinians, show restraint. Because they have nuclear weapons. And if the situation was reversed, I don’t doubt for a second that Palestinians would fire them immediately. They’d use the maximum of what they have available and the Israelis don’t.

    Speaking of ‘obvious restraint’ when Israel has at best recklessly killed thousands of civillians and regularly imposes collective punishment on a specific populace, denies them drinking water etc.

    Or does every criticism of such things as Islamic terrorism require the speaker be critical of Israel in the same breath?

    No it doesn’t but speaking of extremism and intoierance while actively lauding another who deos the same is hypocrisy.

  54. The issue of political correct Blindness is the major subject

    Bill Maher’s original program, the one that he was fired from was called “ politically incorrect “

    He lashes those who can’t bring it upon themselves to properly criticize Islam, as he here Lambasts those who cannot bring themselves to condemn China or to call the Chinese virus that Chinese virus

    Those who cannot speak truth to Islam are the same type of people who cannot speak the truth to Communist China.

    His point is entirely consistent, even if someone cannot understand what he is saying

  55. Phantom, much like your

    Those who won’t criticize China are generally the same intellectual shirkers who won’t criticize Islam.

    Your 5.56 smacks of the same bollocks.

    Why not just come out and accuse us of what you slyly imply about viruses from the middle ages and own prejudices?

    Perhaps after introducing a completely unrelated topic into a completely unrelated conversation you need to examone your own personal prejudices?

  56. I don’t think that you’ve ever watched Maher other than via the clips that I have generously shared with you

    I have never observed him to be waving the pom-pom for Netanyahu or Israel

    I don’t think you have any idea what his thoughts are. He has proposed cutting all US aid to Israel, so he’s hardly a Bibi butt boy

  57. Israel has certainly been restrained in comparison to the Palestinians. And his comment that Palestinians have been the vicims…of Palestinians is correct.

  58. I don’t think that you’ve ever watched Maher other than via the clips that I have generously shared with you

    Actually my second youngest is a big fan of his show. You shouldn’t presume to think what you don’t know.

    Show me were Maher has criticised Israel’s sometimes murderous heavy handedness, routine breaches of International Law, frequent human rights abuses, illegal land grabs etc like he has others in ‘intellectual combat’ and you might have a point.

    Israel killed almost 1,500 civilians in Gaza in 2014. Has Maher even mentioned it never mind condemn it?

  59. Israel has certainly been restrained in comparison to the Palestinians

    Yeah, that collective punishment like demolishing homes is so restrained.

  60. Israel is the victim the Pallies all originated in Jordan and other Arab States that they were thrown out of.

    They were given the best beachfront real estate in the region and billions of dollars. They had the opportunity to prove they could have and run their own state and instead destroyed the areas industry and spent the billions on rockets that they randomly fire into SCHOOLS.

  61. As for Mahr he puts on a good show always has even being a total leftwing wackjob.

    His show is good enough that solid conservatives will go on it for the fun of sparing with a pack of liberals in an unedited format.

  62. have you never watched his show or listened to him ?

    He’s a Liberal they even made fun in the past when he was dating Ann Coulter they would be the new mr and mrs Carville.

  63. There’s no evidence that he has ever dated Ann Coulter. He has denied it. They’re friendly though.

    There’s also no evidence that he’s leftist.

    He’s pro drug legalization, but I think that’s common sense position rather than a right or left one.

    He is against meaningless wars. That’s leftist?

    He is merciless in his criticism of Donald Trump, but again, That’s just smart.

    He has mocked and condemned the “ wokeness “ element of the Dems.

    Let’s hear him in his own words

    “The line I’ve always used is, I would be a Republican if they would. Which means that I like the Barry Goldwater Republican Party, even the Reagan Republican Party. I want a mean old man to watch my money… government is a sieve that takes as much money as it can and gives it away, usually needlessly,”

    .

    He’s a libertarian, whatever that means, but he’s no leftist.

  64. The novel coronavirus came from Chinese ways, and from a Chinese communist government coverup.

    I have sort of lost count, but how many deadly viruses have the Chinese gifted the world now?

  65. I am, but only for Harri, to stop him banging in incessently about the bloody Chinese 🙂

  66. Colm.

    The Chinese, may it be those barbarians who run the inhumane wet- markets, or the CCP, deserve all they get..incessantly.

    Phantom.

    Yes.

    Bring back the rope today, hang them tomorrow.

  67. Colm, on April 12th, 2020 at 8:49 PM Said:
    I am, but only for Harri, to stop him banging in incessently about the bloody Chinese 🙂

    Colm.

    Maybe you should also be banging the drum for the death penalty for those bloody Chinese who incessantly gift the rest of the world deadly viruses.

    😏

  68. now this is from a gossip site

    Ann Coulter with Bill Maher(2002)
    After the previous break-up with Tully, Ann Coulter started a love relationship with Bill Maher in the year 2002. Ann Coulter and Bill also had similar interests and even worked in the same field as Bill was a television host, where he is well known for the HBO political talk show Real Time with Bill Maher.

    Ann Coulter and boyfriend Bill Maher

    Source: whodatedwho.com

    Along with that, he is also a comedian, writer, producer, political commentator, actor, media critic, and television host. A talented guy but not a talented lover we guess as the two separated in a very less period.

  69. Ann Coulter is well fit.

    Certainly not my type. Now, Jessica Alba, Salma Hayek, Eva Mendez etc. That’s a different kettle of fish entirely.

  70. Certainly not my type. Now, Jessica Alba, Salma Hayek, Eva Mendez etc. That’s a different kettle of fish entirely.

    We are on the same page there Paul.

  71. Harri

    Ann Coulter has no feminine qualities. She is like a cold steel garden rake. Nothing fit or sexy about her at all.

  72. Colm.

    No, of course she doesn’t..

    https://images.app.goo.gl/GxWD5j766pNico4N6

    Colm, on April 12th, 2020 at 10:18 PM Said:
    Harri
    Ann Coulter has no feminine qualities. She is like a cold steel garden rake. Nothing fit or sexy about her at all.

    Colm.

    Does Dianne Abbot have any feminine qualities?

    How about Dawn Butler or Dianne Abbots dopey replacement, Anneliese Dodds?

  73. Oh bloody hell Harri, what on earth has Dianne Abbot got to do with this. You really do have your fixations don’t you !

  74. Colm.

    You’re taste in women, is on a par with Jeremy Corbyn.

    And that is pretty horrendously low-level stuff.

  75. Colm.

    Whatever.

    But can you answer the question?

    Colm.

    Does Dianne Abbot have any feminine qualities?
    How about Dawn Butler or Dianne Abbots dopey replacement, Anneliese Dodds?

    Well?

    Be honest now.

  76. Colm.

    Any sexy images of Dianne Abbot, Dawn Butler, or the Uber dopey Dianne Abbots replacement idiot, Anneliese Dodds will be accepted as evidence.

    Good luck with that one Colm.

    😀

  77. Colm is just so great and efficient at posting evidence based links to back up his opinions.

    I know he will not let us down.

    Over to you Colm.

    Again…the best of British to you my friend.

    You are going to need it.

    😉

  78. Harri

    you are nuts. Unless you can find any single comment where I have indicated I fancy Dianne Abbot.

  79. Okay Colm.

    You are either seriously very fussy, or have standards way above us mere mortals, if you think Ann Coulter has nothing fit or sexy about her?

    Those really fit and sexy women must lining up at your front door.

    You lucky bastard.

    😁

  80. //He lost his job For defending Muslim Arabs//

    Had a laugh at that one.

    What he’d said (I’m sure this is what you’re referring to) was that the 9-11 terrorists were mass murderers, vicious criminals, but the people who flew airplanes into buildings can’t be called “cowards” in the normal sense.

    And for you that’s defending them???

  81. Yes he defended the Arab Muslim hijackers from the charge of being —cowards—

    That’s exactly what he did

    It was a big controversy at the time.

  82. I have to say, I don’t find anything remotely attractive about Ann Coulter either.

    As the man said, there’s no accounting for taste.

  83. The medics are now querying the ‘disease’:

    Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell is an ED-ICU Doc at Maimonides in New York, currently under the COVID fire. He put up an inflammatory tweet yesterday which caused a lot of different reactions, because it clearly challenged the widespread even if only recent belief that one should intubate the COVID patients quite early, usually much earlier than one would in typical respiratory failure:

    COVID Clinical Discussion w/Cameron Kyle-Sidell: NYC ED/ICU doc in the trenches. #FOAMed

  84. Colm,

    I am, but only for Harri, to stop him banging in incessently about the bloody Chinese 🙂

    LOL. That makes two of us mate! 😀

  85. Phantom, on April 12th, 2020 at 11:43 PM Said:
    Ann Coulter is a grim, monstrous piece of work all around.
    A nasty, cruel, masculine bloke in a dress.

    Ann Coulter is not very politically savvy too

    😊

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/04/flashback_june_2015_bill_maher__his_audience_laugh_at_ann_coulter_for_saying_trump_could_win.html

    I bet Ann is great in the sack though.

    By the way, I see the Italian virus, that started in Spain, which sadly jumped to Hong Kong, and then spread to Taiwan and then into China, could cause us to be at least another 4 weeks in lockdown.

    Fuck the Italians and the Spanish and their Mediterranean diets.

  86. Oh.

    And stop mentioning China and the virus, on a thread about. China and the virus.

    It upsets the lefties.

    And that’s just not fair.

  87. Morning Harri.

    It doesn’t upset us supposed ‘lefties’ its just repetetive and boring. WE get it. WE are all critical of China’s handling of this , yes we are but repeating the same comment a thousand times adds nothing. I’d rather hear you banging on about Dianne Abbot 🙂

  88. I bet Ann is great in the sack though

    Unless the physical attraction is there to want to get to the sack it doesn’t really matter.

    I’d rather hear you banging on about Dianne Abbot

    Whereas Harri would just rather be banging Dianne Abbot 🙂

  89. Whereas Harri would just rather be banging Dianne Abbot 🙂

    Uuurghh!

    Please…don’t, I will bring my Weetabix up all over the place.

    It’s not only the horrific thought of why anyone would…but how?

  90. Colm.

    Good morning.

    Buts it’s a thread about China and the virus which started in China.

    😉

  91. Patrick Van Roy,

    Hope everyone had a good Easter.

    Not bad considering. I hope yours went well Patrick.

  92. My wife is a size 8.

    To go from a size 8 to 28 is just not even feasible.

    I wonder if she takes her wig off beforehand?

  93. I wonder if she takes her wig off beforehand?

    I think you’re confusing her with Mo Mowlam….

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