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Dallas salon owner will spend a week in jail after she was found in contempt of court Tuesday for violating an order to close her salon during the coronavirus pandemic. In addition, Shelley Luther was fined $7,000 for continuing to operate her business, Salon à la Mode, in violation of a judge’s temporary restraining order issued against the business.

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  1. She was issued with a court order to stop operating. Her response was to tear that court order up at a political rally and tell the judge to “come and get it”. Seems like the definition of contempt of court.

  2. the question is Seamus the justification for the order in the first place.

    Every person locked up for being outside, standing to close, or running their business, and there are a lot of them all have major Lawsuites against their State and Local Governments.

  3. yes it was contempt of court
    history and experience and precedent suggests also
    jail in usa means a week to white woman folks , if it was black woman white judge , he’d get a year ..

  4. “Every person locked up for being outside, standing to close, or running their business, and there are a lot of them all have major Lawsuites against their State and Local Governments.”

    And until there are decisions in those lawsuits then you obey the law as it stands. Until a judge either rules against those lockdowns etc… then you obey the law. Otherwise you can be held accountable for that.

  5. She broke the law in a time of pandemic and jail is a good place for her.

    This isn’t a game. She deserves no sympathy.

    Every bigmouth jerk in the country isn’t allowed to follow only the law that they agree with.

  6. messed that up
    if had been a black man/woman coming out with that to a white judge man/woman it would have been a year in jail .. for the simple reason that the extra 11 months is for disrupting white folks , and can’t have uppity “negroes” doing any of that !

  7. pat respects the LAW don’t ya pat, just messing with us ..haha nice troll there !

  8. She broke the law and then when the law was enforced she held the institution enforcing it in contempt.

    That’s the law?

    One thing, she claims that kids are going hungry? If other nations can pay the vast majority of salaries to those affected why are kids going hungry in the US?

  9. I filled out the form and sent off my petition with just three words:

    LOCK HER UP.

  10. She showed contempt for the law, and extreme disregard for the safety of her fellow Texans.

    The selfish slob got off very light.

  11. Only a week in jail! Surely the judge was some kind of bleeding heart liberal?

  12. OT, but funny

    Joe Biden’s new campaign…..

    The car moves slowly along the sidewalk approaching a group of children. The shadowy figure inside rolls down the window & creepily addresses them: “Look kids what I have 4 U, get in the car. I’ve got free health care, free college & a green new deal and you’ll never have 2 work.

  13. Let’s all be quarrelsome Ron and Rand Pauls and not do anything to fight the ” flu “.

    We can spend all day and all night speaking our misguided interpretations of the US Constitution, the Texas Constitution, and the Dallas metroplex statutes for each locality.

    It’s so much fun! Boo facts! They’re so boring!!

  14. What Law did she Break to get arrested?

    Name the statute.

    She violated a Court Order to keep her hair salon closed?

    I can’t name the statute because I’m not a US federal / state law expert.

  15. Judges have nothing to do with the legal system according to Pat

    The only factors are the clueless whim of the selfish individual who doesn’t care about the community and the writings of sundry bloggers.

  16. Why wasn’t the Mayor of Chicago arrested for getting her Hair Done ?

    Oh that’s right she said SHE’s a Public Figure……

    The LAW doesn’t apply to her ONLY PEASANTS.

  17. If there was a Law that you could name….An Order by a Politician is NOT A LAW it would be required that it is enforced equally. Which it is not.

  18. I don’t know why Pat but let’s try to stick to the case in hand:

    Judge Eric Moyé told Luther:

    The rule of law governs us. People cannot take it upon themselves to determine what they will and will not do.

    She broke the law and then held the institution enforcing it in contempt? Yeah?

  19. If there was a Law that you could name

    No I can’t. As I said above, I’m not a federal / state US law expert.

  20. Patrick knows all the Texas laws and legal traditions by heart.

    That’s why he can overrule the stupid judge. What do judges know about the law anyway. Bloggers know everything, esp Scottish and Philadelphia ones.

  21. If the Governor has emergency powers for public health reasons to order premises to be closed and there will certainly be Statutes allowing that, and the Governor or the State authorities invoked those powers enforced by court orders, then she broke the law and showed contempt for the legal authority of the judge. End of case. She should swing 🙂

  22. No Pat overrules the governor of Texas

    And the hairdresser has supreme authority too

    Because someone said so

  23. got yourself a tommy robinson type martyr now pat, a weeks supply of victimhood
    whoopee good for you, timely too as flynn story running outa steam
    lo in USA you’re never short of a grievance to nurse, and exploit
    can’t wait for the next one after this ..lmao

  24. The LAW is what is written in the books.

    No person be the Cop, Judge, Mayor, or Governor can create Law by giving an order.

    You people do not understand the rules of civil society.

    What is going on in certain areas of my country are very dangerous set of outrages. When this is over there will consequences, and I’m not talking violence.

    One side or another is going to loose a level of power. Either the Government or the People.

  25. Pat

    Maybe you can hire the Covington law firm to research this for you.

  26. Shelley Luther is a hero. That’s a great response by a great and principled American.

    Anyone who disagrees is a communist bed-wetter.

  27. The Lockdown Paul is an illegitimate order.

    The ONLY LEGAL circumstance that an entire country can be ORDERED to stay indoors is if Martial Law is declared.

  28. Yeah Phantom I’ll ask that Eric Holder handles it Personally.

  29. The Lockdown Paul is an illegitimate order

    So what you’re then saying is that the Court Order is illigitimate? Yeah?

  30. Patrick is the Supreme Court of Texas.

    He will put the judge in jail and liberate virus queen.

  31. The ONLY LEGAL circumstance that an entire country can be ORDERED to stay indoors is if Martial Law is declared.

    The judge was enforcing Texas law, only.

  32. If Shelley Luther were black she would already be eulogised by the left. Everyone knows it.

  33. oh dear
    educate petem time again
    heroes are those who save lives, not those who imperil lives
    its really is first grader stuff this

  34. Actually the woman is a wimp. Tearing up the court order – pathetic. She should have exercised her constitutional right to tear into the courtroom with her God given Uzi sub-machine gun and showed that Goddamn commie dictator judge what FREEDOM really means 🙂

  35. Did anyone watch her response? It does not matter what you think about lockdowns and laws. Anyone with an ounce of compassion and a tough of romance in their soul will say that it’s heroic.

    She only had to say that she was wrong. Invited to do so, knowing what the penalty would be, she said no, I will not kiss your arse. It’s magnificent.

  36. Pete, you would LOVE the Ballad of Kevin Barry.

    Just before he faced the hangman
    In his dreary prison cell
    British soldiers tortured Barry
    Just because he would not tell
    The names of his brave companions
    And other things they wished to know
    “Turn informer or we’ll kill you”
    Kevin Barry answered, “no”

  37. Petr –

    Well here’s the thing. I can recognise that Kevin Barry was a murderous terrorist who got what he deserved and acknowledge that he was brave and stoic at the end.

    Nationalists possess the global view of the human condition to see these things and the generosity of spirit to admit them.

    Leftists would never admit such a thing about a foe because they would not see it. They would not see it because of the overwhelming conceit in all leftists, which is a belief in their own moral superiority.

  38. Has Martial Law been declared in any state in the country….. NO

    Has a Quarantine been declared in any state in the country….. NO

    Bothe these actions are Legal Actions and require EVERYONE except MILITARY, POLICE, AND ESSENTIAL EMERGENCY PERSONNEL is allowed to operate under those actions.

    None of those actions that are written out in Law have been implemented. Each of those Laws become void the instant they are not applied equally under the Law.

    Wallmart can be open and sell pants but Joe the Tailor can not. The Mayors Hairdresser can cut her Hair, but no other Hairdresser is allowed to operate.

    EQUAL UNDER THE LAW……..

  39. Patrick

    The US, as you may have heard, has a federal system.

    Would you consider yourself to be highly educated in the Texas legal codes?

  40. Phantom, on May 6th, 2020 at 7:28 PM Said: Edit Comment
    AFAIK there is no national order to do anything.

    There are guidelines

    It is all VOLUNTARY except for the one order issued on the manufacture of ventilators….

    These arrests, and prosecutions are all unconstitutional. Not the President or ANY Governor has evoked the Laws that give them authority to do such actions.

    Instead they have ISSUED ORDERS that they do not have the Legal Authority to do.

    No Governor, Judge or Cop can enforce something that is not applied to ALL equally which is exactly what they are doing.

  41. Phantom instead of being an ass you might just want to pay attention to what is going on around you, or not it’s your choice to give up your rights freely. You don’t deserve them… under this Premise…..

    Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

    fool

  42. There are 50 different state systems, and noone here is an expert on all of them.

    Let’s be humble, like the great president is.

  43. There is no such thing as unlimited liberty, esp in an emergency situation.

    The word liberty is often misused by frauds like Rand Paul and the ” libertarian ” movement, whatever that pack of frauds stands for this week.

  44. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

    Precisely.

    You willingly give up freedom for a sense of false security, sooner or later, you will find out you have lost the lot.

    And you will not be getting it back anytime soon.

  45. NO EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS HAVE BEEN ENACTED UNDER THE LAW……..

  46. Just because kooks like the Rand family and militia or libertarian assholes like to spout the word Liberty means they understand it’s meaning, nor am I applying as just a symbol.

    Real Liberties are being violated and they are being violated selectively…. THAT is an attack on human Liberty granted by God and Enshrined in our Laws.

    You can selectively prosecute and they are….. and you are cheering it on you little AOC you.

  47. Disagree with these orders if you wish, but you cannot say that the governors acted outside their authority because you and I are not qualified to speak to such things.

    There is an emergency situation.

    Second guess all you want, because it’s fun to be against everything.

  48. “Stay at home” orders.

    This sort of screws up the open border fruitcakes demands just a touch.

  49. God didn’t grant anything.

    If God is so great, let him grant us freedom from the Covid virus.

    Let’t talk about what is the best way to inhibit the virus without wrecking the economy.

  50. Phantom, on May 6th, 2020 at 9:35 PM Said:
    God didn’t grant anything.
    If God is so great, let him grant us freedom from the Covid virus.

    God most certainly works in mysterious ways.

  51. Phantom where in that Emergency Declaration does it give AUTHORITY to pick and choose ?

    If you actually read the order you would have read the only two Paragraphs that state the extent of the declarations authority.

    Pursuant to Section 418.017 of the code, I authorize the use of all available resources of state government and of political subdivisions that are reasonably necessary to cope with this disaster.

    Pursuant to Section 418.0 16 of the code, any regulatory statute prescribing the procedures for conduct of state business or any order or rule of a state agency that would in any way prevent, hinder, or delay necessary action in coping with this disaster shall be suspended upon written approval of the Office of the Governor. However, to the extent that the enforcement of any state statute or administrative rule regarding contracting or procurement would impede any state agency’s emergency response that is necessary to cope with this declared disaster, I hereby suspend such statutes and rules for the duration of this declared disaster for that limited purpose.

    Where in those two Paragraphs that outline what he implemented does it authorize selective Prosecution ? Where does it express anything other than authority over emergency services and their supply chains?

    If you are going to cite a piece of Law you might want to actually read it……

  52. Maybe he should be put on trial, along with the evil Comey and dastardly Hillary!

  53. If God is so great, let him grant us freedom from the Covid virus.

    He did he gave you an immune system…..

  54. Who said that there was selective prosecution?

    The burden of proof is on the perpetual kvetchers.

  55. A declaration of a State of Emergency does not give them the right to SELECTIVELY prosecute.

    that quote truly applies to you.

  56. Phantom

    Hilary is dastardly, she gave you Trump.

    And dastardly Joe Biden will accomplish exactly the same.

  57. Are trashmen collecting trash? Are supermarkets open? Are any businesses open besides emergency operations and facilities?

    If the answer to any of those and the answer is yes to all of them prosecuting a hairdresser for being open is selective prosecution.

    A Declaration of State Emergency is NOT a State ordered Quarantine it is a tool to guarantee a fast response by EMERGENCY PERSONNEL and guarantee of their supply chain and prosecutions only can be done to people interfering with emergency personnel and their supplies….

  58. Oh for Gods sake

    Let’s complain about all things all the time.

    People need food and sanitation more than they need a haircut.

    Good night, Johnnie Cochran.

  59. The whole nation has voluntarily stayed home. Everyone has cooperated.

    The people have evaluated on their own the risk and there are NO LEGAL ORDERS to force people to comply.

    The only two on the books have not been evoked.

  60. pat i don’t like I’m hairier than a baboon right now without a haircut
    But
    But
    its essential services which are deemed to be needed to be opened and that means food and supermarkets .. its a sacrifice we’re making to stop a much worse spread. so am afraid this lil lady misses the point . if everyone had her attitude we would , we know for sure, have millions of dead not tens of thousands, and hundreds of thousands by the end of this
    .
    she’s in the wrong here ..

  61. Phantom –

    An American mother has just been jailed and fined $7,000 for cutting hair and not kissing a judge’s arse.

    At the very least, even if you think she was in the wrong morally or legally, a patriot must be troubled by it.

  62. So, just to be clear.

    You can go for a 20k bike ride, order takeaways to support and show solidarity with local businesses, but you can’t cut someone’s hair safely?

    Is this where we really are?

    It’s all so terribly, terribly..sad.

    The dumbing down is complete.

  63. She did a wrong thing and was unrepentant, completely defiant.

    The judge made the only proper decision that was available to him.

    We won’t get through this if everyone acts as wrongly as she did.

  64. harri , thats an exception to the rule i don’t know why
    but the other countries you can see the curves going down who practise social distncing
    and the ones going up , so we are avoiding millions by keeping at it
    don’t give up so easily man and throw hands in the air
    YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU

  65. some people just want to whinge about everything.

    Yes Colm. Trump has spent much more time on his daily “news conferences” whining about how unfairly he has been treated by the hated media than he has spent sympathising with the families of the tens of thousands of victims of his incompetence. Of course as a narcissist and obvious sociopath we can’t expect him to display genuine sympathy, and his personality disorder is so extreme that he can’t even fake it.

  66. I don’t think that you guys understand the concept of social distancing as practiced here.

    I kept my distance from others for every one of those 20 miles. Not hard to do. I didn’t stay in my house but it was just as safe as staying at home.

    Completely different than staying in close proximity to someone for say 30-60 minutes and touching their body, as the hair is washed, cut, permed, dyed, whatever.

    Again, endless whinging.

    These guys could all win lotto for a billion dollars tomorrow and each one would jump off the bridge due to the tax that they would pay.

    Never saw anything like it. Stand up for Gods sake stop the whimpering.

  67. thinking a strongman approach and defiace of science is the answer

    Professor Neil Ferguson offered science. Bullshit science granted, but the government fell for it again.

    How has that worked out, past and present?

  68. Never saw anything like it. Stand up for Gods sake stop the whimpering.

    And stop the self-righteous “look I’m backing up local business bullshit.”

  69. Whinging and simpering about anything and everything 24/7/365 won’t get us out of this.

    Backing up local business will.

    I will be sure to mention it again, thank you kindly.

  70. His woman was jailed because she thinks public health measures designed to protect lives don’t apply to her. She is no heroine.

  71. The judge made the only proper decision that was available to him.

    You’re not a proper American.

  72. “The ONLY LEGAL circumstance that an entire country can be ORDERED to stay indoors is if Martial Law is declared.”

    Where does it say a lockdown is only legal if martial law has been declared?

    “If the answer to any of those and the answer is yes to all of them prosecuting a hairdresser for being open is selective prosecution.”

    Were trash collectors told to close? Were supermarkets?

    If not then not prosecuting them but prosecuting those told to close is not selective.

  73. Phantom.

    Where does it state, you can go on a 20 mile bike ride, but you can’t cut someone’s hair?

    Precisely.

    Whinging and simpering about anything and everything 24/7/365 won’t get us out of this.
    Backing up local business will.

    You just answered your own self-righteous arrogant question.

    I mean, it’s highly unusual for Phantom to come over all arrogant.

    It’s unheard of on ATW.

    😉

  74. If you are going to prosecute people for violating a suggestion…. it’s unconstitutional.

    If you are going to prosecute people for violating a Law…. It can not be done selectively.

    Whether you or any cop, judge, or governor like it or not there are rules. Rules that we have chosen to create just for these situations.

    Government in the United States is GRANTED POWER by the PEOPLE. We do not exist in the grace of their power.

  75. Foreigners from PA and from the former EU are not allowed to make such pronouncements

  76. amen colm and correct what u said , lol petem with the “proper” american talk
    that won’t get ya anywhere man, appeals to narcissim and embolden patriots
    c’mon get real , this has to be reasoned out

  77. Where does it say a lockdown is only legal if martial law has been declared?

    Bill of Rights

    Were trash collectors told to close? Were supermarkets?

    No so it’s not a Lockdown…….. it’s selective prosecution of non-existent Law in violation of the Constitution.

  78. “If you are going to prosecute people for violating a Law…. It can not be done selectively.”

    It isn’t selective. If you are told to close and don’t then you are breaking the law. If you are not told to close and don’t close then you are not.

  79. pat
    presumably the ladies attorneys made those arguments you are making
    but they were thrown out, be interesting to see more detail
    what was the charge ?

  80. It’s genuinely sad how unAmerican Phantom is on this. Not only unAmerican but unChristian, uncharitable and downright bureaucratic.

  81. A few no-account perpetual moaners who know nothing about the law or the country do not over-ride the judgement of THE PEOPLE

    Exactly….. and THE PEOPLE have decided it’s time to get back to work.

  82. Pete

    You are taking a pro-virus position.

    You were against it before.

    What is the point of whatever it is that you think you are saying

  83. “No so it’s not a Lockdown…….. it’s selective prosecution of non-existent Law in violation of the Constitution.”

    No it isn’t. Those who can’t work safely, using social distancing should be forced to closed and prosecuted should they refuse.

    Those who can work safely should remain open

    That is not selective prosecution.

  84. Seamus –

    It isn’t selective. If you are told to close and don’t then you are breaking the law.

    Bullshit.

    Laws aren’t what you are told to do. Laws are only laws if they are lawfully enacted.

    (I have no idea if anything was lawfully enacted here, but a law being simply what you are told to do is still bullshit.)

  85. Phantom thinks the rule of law is important to maintain a civilised society. Patrick thinks individuals should decide for themselves what they think is legal. On this matter Phantom is the more patriotic American.

  86. petem in uk there has to have been emergency legislation passed to enable the police to issue fines.. which they have been doing. I don’t hear of any challenges in court do you ?

  87. “Laws aren’t what you are told to do. Laws are only laws if they are lawfully enacted.”

    And the laws are enacted.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/03/11/should-texas-declare-a-state-of-emergency-over-coronavirus-6-things-to-know/

    Under state law, local public health authorities and the Texas Department of State Health Services have the power to issue “control measures,” such as detaining and quarantining individuals, to limit spread of communicable diseases.

    Violation of a control measure is punishable by up to 180 days in jail and/or $2,000 in fines.

    If the department’s commissioner John Hellerstedt, an Abbott appointee, decides there’s a high risk of exposure that could cause “death or serious long-term disability to a large number of people,” he can recommend the governor declare a public health disaster. It can last up to 30 days, and Hellerstedt can renew it for an additional 30 days.

    During such a disaster, the list of control measures that Texas can take includes, among other things, immunization, detention, isolation, quarantine, disinfection and decontamination.

  88. In the first briefing from police chiefs since emergency legislation gave police powers to issue fines

    Above , read the above, its in plain english
    Its the LAW of the land ..

  89. In emergencies, state governors have special powers. This has always been the case, in the US and probably the equivalent in all the other countries.

    It is astonishing that people who pretend to know history or the constitution don’t know any of this.

    They want the federal government to be powerless, they want the state governments to be kneecapped in an emergency, they want each person to be able to decide which laws they will choose to obey.

  90. //Patrick thinks individuals should decide for themselves what they think is legal.//

    But that can’t be. Patrick is always lecturing us about the importance of the Rule of Law.

    I think a lot of the attitude to the lockdown in the US is driven by political sentiment and is just another part of that never-ending “culture war”.

    A lot of Trump groupies and their spokespersons in the media think this Corona crisis will do for their guro what Katharina did for Bush and are thus always trying to play it down.

    On the other hand, a certain schadenfreude in places like CNN is also unmistakeable.

    Even the BBC actually also seems to be rushing with the bad news wherever it can, emphasising how bad things are in the UK in a way that has an eerie sense of triumphalism. Sometimes it sounds like RussiaToday.

  91. Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.”.

    That ruling was based on the 13th amendment.

    13th Amendment

    Amendment XIII

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    and then there is this….

    The right to travel is a part of the ‘liberty’ of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment. If that “liberty” is to be regulated, it must be pursuant to the law-making functions of the Congress

    and I can go on and on As early as the Articles of Confederation the Congress recognized freedom of movement (Article 4), though the right was thought to be so fundamental during the drafting of the Constitution as not needing explicit enumeration.

    Without evoking Martial Law or a LEGAL Quarantine which applies to EVERYONE you can not lock people in their homes.

  92. In emergencies, state governors have special powers. This has always been the case, in the US and probably the equivalent in all the other countries.

    Yes under the Law the specific to Martial Law and Quarantines neither of which has been invoked.

  93. funny when push comes to shove petem and pat turn into commies
    “lets disobey and overthrow the state cos its a despotic tyranny with bad laws- to keep the peasants in check .. up with Marx, down with the petit bourgeoisie and the beaurocrats”
    gros vidanya – 🙂

  94. kurt –

    petem in uk there has to have been emergency legislation passed to enable the police to issue fines.. which they have been doing. I don’t hear of any challenges in court do you ?

    Yes.

    Thanks to commie loons like you we have the maddest country on the planet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/14/man-wrongly-convicted-under-coronavirus-law-met-police-admit

    A 21-year-old man has been wrongly convicted under coronavirus laws, the Metropolitan police have admitted, as concerns grow over the use of emergency powers …

    The Met’s mistake relates to a case involving a man arrested outside Tooting leisure centre in south-west London on 28 March. The defendant was charged with breaching the Coronavirus Act 2020 as well as with possession of class B drugs and “going equipped to steal”. He pleaded guilty to all the charges at Wimbledon magistrates court.

    A force spokesman said: “It was identified this legislation had been applied incorrectly. The [coronavirus] charge and fine were subsequently set aside. The charges for possession of class B drugs and going equipped to steal were not overturned and the £200 fine stands.

    That’s how mad this country is. Drones buzz dog walkers miles from anyone in the Peak District. Meanwhile, prowling the streets looking to rob and steal isn’t flouting the lockdown.

    If you want to know wh many appeals aren’t going through the system, it’s because appealing a fine under the China Disease Act risks a criminal prosecution.

    Incentives matter. That is the first law of economics. Lefty nutters like you never learn that, hence you never learn economics.

  95. Kurt so demanding things follow the RULE OF LAW makes me a commie…… lol

  96. Exactly Noel, everything particularly in American politics seems to come down to Dems V Republicans with particular belief that the restrictions laid out by Dem Governors are a deliberate attempt to cripple Trump’s America for electoral Purposes and thing to do with public health measures. It’s a paranoid culture war obsession.

  97. agree with that Noel, trump groupies’ only lens is “what is good or bad for Trump”
    nothing else matters , nor is it real to them , only the above quote ..

  98. We are a Nation of Law, these prosecutions are under the rule of man…. non-written Law enacted by men and woman and NOT applied equally.

  99. 28th March that one petem, 6 weeks ago, it got off to a bad start , and needed clearer guidance..

    pat that lady got done under a law, what was the law she broke, according to the arrest
    lets look at that ..

  100. Patrick

    Do you honestly think your laws over the past 350 odd years as a nation have been applied equally to all regardless of wealth power race or position. You are not that naive.

  101. She openly violated the governor’s stay-at-home order
    so the question is , is there a legal basis for that order
    pat disagrees ?

  102. “Without evoking Martial Law or a LEGAL Quarantine which applies to EVERYONE you can not lock people in their homes.”

    Where does it say that martial law, and only martial law, overrides those rights?

  103. Seamus, on the ball as ever has already posted the law that gave the Governor that power.

  104. So we have heard of past presidents, attorney generals, the FBI, judges, police and countless other state agencies and individuals breaking the law, and nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

    Boy, that US Constitution sure sounds like one very useless piece of paper.

  105. The word lockdown can also be associated with martial law to mean that people cannot leave their homes.[22] In an attempt to avoid confusion, Mayor Lori Lightfoot of Chicago made a comment about the stay-at-home order of Illinois by trying to differentiate it from a lockdown or a martial law.[23

  106. The word lockdown can also be associated with martial law to mean that people cannot leave their homes.[22] In an attempt to avoid confusion, Mayor Lori Lightfoot of Chicago made a comment about the stay-at-home order of Illinois by trying to differentiate it from a lockdown or a martial law.[23

  107. Colm –

    .. with particular belief that the restrictions laid out by Dem Governors are a deliberate attempt to cripple Trump’s America for electoral Purposes and thing to do with public health measures. It’s a paranoid culture war obsession.

    And what’s the Dem belief about Republican governor decisions? This is a two-way thing. How does the culture war manifest the other way?

  108. pats confused , sets up a strawman attacking Martial Law and lockdowns
    but in fact its stay at home orders which do not require martial law
    googled that in 5 mins, and i don’t have a degree in con law ..
    oh dear pat ..

  109. yes phantom they don’t know a damned thing about that document
    head-bangers I’ve noticed are like those bears they wake up with a sore-head each day 🙂
    nite nite – easy win tonight colm, seamus, phantom, noel..

  110. Democrats support those Republican governors who sensibly promote restrictions designed to protect public health and people’s lives. Those other Republican Governors who refuse to do their duty and take this seriously deserve condemnation from all sensible Americans.

  111. Those selfish spoiled flag waving gun toting protesters in America whinging about their ‘freedoms’ being attacked and refusing to accept any restrictions to deal with this pandemic should take a lesson in sacrifice stoicism and real patriotism from the people’s of Italy and Spain who have endured far stricter privations than any in America, but have done so united in the belief of helping their countries and saving the lives of as many of their fellow Compatriots as they can.

  112. Gotcha Colm.

    “Those who agree with me are right, those who disagree are wrong, paranoid culture war obsessives.”

  113. I haven’t read all of the comments.

    This woman has been in the news for several days here in Texas, well before the judge gave her a contempt of court ruling. She had gunmen in front of her shop and courted the press to write about her opening against Gov Abbott’s orders. He’s a red meat republican by the way.

    Gov Abbott ordered the reopening of all hair salons on May 8. This publicity seeking bitch could have waited a couple of weeks and had her salon opened legally. Far right, evangelical Texas politicians are already politicizing and raising money off her dumb stunt.

    I know four hair stylists. One owns a stand alone salon, he really need to re-open and can facilitate one on one safe hair appointments. The others either work as salaried employees of large salons or rent chairs in large salons. The current rules for salons mean that these people will only be able to work a few days a week and see a limited number of customers. They are compelled to return to work at greatly reduced incomes because they will no longer be able to receive unemployment benefits due to the governor’s order to open hair salons.

    Many hair stylists are going to be unable to pay their rent or feed their their children because they are forced back to work.

    This is a nuanced issue. Not simple at all.

  114. This is a nuanced issue. Not simple at all.

    Daphne

    Don’t go spoiling it for the Trump guys. Everything is simple for them, surely you know that?

  115. When people constantly holler about liberty or the Constitution, you know that they know zero about either.

    Exhibit A is this website, and this thread, which should be preserved in an archive for all ages, so that future generations will know that such foolish arguments were ever made.

  116. Hi Peter. Spoiler is my job on this site. No tidy checked box for me anymore.

  117. Well said Daphne. The Law and Order pretenders are for Law and Order, until they are not.

  118. Contempt of Court is an offense that can lead to jail.

    But “AG” Barr says that the POTUS can do whatever the **** he likes, so surely Trump is home free? It’s impossible for him to be in contempt of court. Now in contempt of Fox, that would be different, heck that could even be impeachable.

  119. Mahons, on May 7th, 2020 at 12:52 AM Said: Edit Comment
    It is quiet simple. Contempt of Court is an offense that can lead to jail.

    Nice Try…… What Law did she break to be arrested.

    Try being honest instead of trying to be cute.

    are you just unable to be serious, or quiet simply just lack a total clue ?

    Please cite Law, statute, or regulation she violated with a detail case for prosecution.

    I’ll wait.

    (I’m sure forever)

  120. Patrick – try sticking to something you have experience in, like sitting on a couch.

  121. pat you’re confused let me see if i can help unravel it for you

    1) so the people vote in the govt in an election

    2) included in that is the assent to be governed by laws

    3) gov’t makes laws

    4) courts enforce those laws

    5) police have powers to arrest , charge, detain in upholding those laws

    the people give their assent to this every time they vote, lets say its included in the package .

    your confusion is thinking the people have to give consent to each and every law, particularly one they deem questionable ..that would have confusion reign across the land.
    No, laws and judgements unpopular are challenged in the courts, where the ultimate decision is to turn over a gov’t in an election and so in that case a change the law happens via the people’s will through their votes

    That’s the gist of it ..

    In other words that judgement of contempt recently given out to salon lady, you voted for that in 2016

  122. My face is my mask. One look at it and no-one wants to come within 2 metres of me 🙁

  123. “Please cite Law, statute, or regulation she violated with a detail case for prosecution.”

    Texas Health and Safety Code § 81.087

    (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly refuses to perform or allow the performance of certain control measures ordered by a health authority or the department under Sections 81.083-81.086.

    (b) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

  124. funny harr, dumb is dumb
    but i do feel for those of any colour or creed would would drink bleach
    alot of simple folks believe their leaders ..

    wow seamus , nice find
    back of the net from 35 yards that one 🙂

  125. Seamus

    Wait for Patrick to now come along and say that the statute is unconstitutional.

  126. When Michael T. Osterholm, a prominent epidemiologist, heard that the White House coronavirus task force was “ramping up” its work this month, he was elated. Maybe now the United States would finally tackle the virus with the seriousness needed.

    Then he realized that he had misheard. The task force wasn’t “ramping up” but “wrapping up.”

    “I was in shock,” said Osterholm, a professor at the University of Minnesota. “We’re just in the second inning.”

    The White House plan to disband the task force is in characteristic disarray, with President Trump reversing course on Wednesday and saying that the task force would continue but change its focus. The confusion perfectly reflects the incoherence of the American “strategy” toward Covid-19.

    Vice President Mike Pence had earlier said that the disbanding of the task force was possible because of “the tremendous progress we’ve made” against the virus.

    Hmm. It’s actually the virus that has made tremendous progress, eclipsing heart disease to become the No. 1 cause of death in the United States. In less than two months, we have lost more Americans to the coronavirus than in the Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Afghanistan and Iraq wars combined

    The Virus Is Winning

    Nicholas Kristof, NYT

    This article is highly recommended. If Osterholm says that you’re doing it wrong, you’re probably doing it wrong

    Magical thinking isn’t a strategy

  127. I didn’t take the ball away, your still commenting aren’t you?

    The other thread however will be up shortly.

  128. Just put up and the towards the end is important to you Phantom…. you “criminal” violator…

  129. Should take a lesson in sacrifice stoicism and real patriotism from the people’s of Italy and Spain who have endured far stricter privations than any in America, but have done so united in the belief of helping their countries and saving the lives of as many of their fellow Compatriots as they can.

    Thank ypu Colm, I believe that’s been the first time I’ve been called a Spanish patriot 🙂 The sentiment is spot on though.

    Daphne, superbly informative 11.16/ May 6th.

    This seems to be shaping up into another one of those threads where Pat is schooled in the jurisprudence of his nation by his fellow countrymen, (and women) and Euroweenies.

  130. what i meant by took the ball away pat is
    you’ve stopped commenting on this thread
    without the politeness to admit you were wrong
    seamus slam-dunked ya big time

  131. Most Americans aren’t complaining about the various lockdowns. They’re sad at the situation, but they’re getting on with it.

    Pat is complaining because these guys complain about everything all the time anyway.

    Easier to complain, second guess, and litigate constantly than to think the matter through.

  132. Gov. Abbott has signed an order that no one can be jailed for violating the orders. Ms Luther has been released from jail by the Texas Supreme Court.

  133. what is the point of having the orders then. It would be more honest to abandon the statutory rules and replace them with advice.

  134. I think for some of these lockdown refuseniks contracting the virus will become a badge of honour and a “ wound for freedom”

  135. The Texas governor has now said that there will be no consequences for violating his rules for opening any business.

    He’s totally abdicated any responsibility and rejects any enforcement mechanism for businesses that refuse to abide by his public safety standards.

    It’s up to business and the public to voluntarily maintain health safety standards.

    I’m definitely staying home.

  136. The yahoos will do a jig, and there will be unnecessary deaths.

    Sorry to hear this, Daphne.

    Charles, it would be very unwise to celebrate in any way what was done today.

  137. The judge in this case has recieved numerous death threats. He now has a security detail. By the way, he’s a black man.

  138. Yes, and Tucker Carlson last night was mocking judge for having a taste for expensive cigars.

    All of this was code, mocking the black guy too big for his britches. Every viewer knew what he was saying.

  139. It’s up to business and the public to voluntarily maintain health safety standards.

    T’was ever the case. Most people always do that anyway. You don’t need to worry about a hairdresser going into a Dallas County prison.

    It’s the 1000 convicted criminals that Dallas County released from Chinese virus-infected prisons you need to stay away from. Where was the outrage about that?

  140. Pete, most (if not all) of those released were in jail because they couldn’t pay traffic fines or were being held due to minor infractions, like having a bit of pot or violating a minor probation order. No reason to get worked up about those people who were released.

  141. There never could be consequences because no Laws were broken to be arrested for.

    Unless the Legal Standards are followed to order people into a lockdown it is Unconstitutional to arrest anyone. PERIOD.

    Np matter what you have been spun this whole thing is voluntary.

  142. I don’t think I was clear. A whole lot of people sitting in Texas jails are there because they can’t afford to pay traffic fines.

    Nobody in Texas prisons are being set free.

  143. Yes, Phantom. That’s the Texas way. It’s, in part, how we fund our state.

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