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Like many others, I was outraged by this judicial decision.

Labour peer Lord Janner will not face child sex abuse charges because the severity of his dementia makes him unfit to stand trial, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has said. The abuse allegations relate to residents in Leicestershire children’s homes between 1970 and the 1980s. Police condemned the CPS decision as “wrong”, and the Labour Party has suspended the 86-year-old peer. Lord Janner “is entirely innocent of any wrongdoing”, his family has said. A retired High Court judge will now review the CPS’s handling of the case.

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  1. Is there any significant difference between ‘diminished responsibility’, and dementia?
    As far as I know, former has never rendered a person as ‘unfit for trial’.

  2. The correct outraged indignation on ATW surrounding Pakistani men sex gangs and Labour politicians allegedly buggering young boys rings hollow with the absolute ignoring of the bloody disgraceful outrage of an establishment organised peadophile trafficking ring flat refusal of being investigated:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/07/home-secretary-must-include-kincora-abuse-in-inquiry-says-belfast-mp

    Perhaps kids in East Belfast are worth less than kids in Britain?

    Or maybe it’s something else………?

  3. If he is in as bad a shape as we are told, then whether he is incarcerated or not it will make little difference to him, and his victims will at least get some small feeling of justice.

    Alternatively, they could be awarded substantial compensation funded from his, no doubt, substantial pension pot. Such an alternative would likely cause his relatives a degree of discomfort, but in no way to the degree that his victims families have had to endure.

    Our courts will quite happily do it to tax fraudsters, a relatively minor crime compared with paedophilia.

  4. Paul McMahon –

    I’ll happily post about it if anything a touch more substantial emerges. The thing is, there’s such a torrent of allegations around politicians, coppers and other establishment figures being nonces, Kincora – as bad as the allegations are – is just a detail at the moment.

    There are so many allegations and investigations and inestigations into investigations that it’s impossible to keep track.

  5. Pete, it’s been a running sore for forty years.

    It would be great if someone like yourself did a bit of digging on it and carried a piece on it on ATW.

  6. Bernard, on April 17th, 2015 at 6:21 PM Said:
    Is there any significant difference between ‘diminished responsibility’, and dementia?
    As far as I know, former has never rendered a person as ‘unfit for trial’.

    ‘diminished responsibility’ is what they have when they are filling in their fraudulent expenses each month, and dementia is what they have when they are caught red-handed doing it.

  7. The rape camps which are found in every English town which has pakis are supplied with white girls by the white-run local authorities and protected by the white police so the white Establishment is at least as evil as the pakis who are presented with food on a plate. Kincora and Haute de la Garenne are rape camps run in the same manner but for the ‘benefit’ of the likes of Jimmy Saville, Ted Heath, Greville Janner, Cyril Smith and the rest of the perverted ‘ruling class’.

  8. Paul – you and I are in complete agreement as to what a rape camp is:

    TELLING THE TRUTH IS A CRIME….

    Allan@Aberdeen, on April 2nd, 2015 at 12:25 AM Said:
    Colm – indeed, because this is exactly what Paul is arguing, and I concede his point:

    Paul McMahon, on June 18th, 2012 at 9:21 AM Said:

    There were numerous rape camps in Foča. “Karaman’s house” was one of the most notorious rape camps. The women kept in this house were raped repeatedly. Among the women held in “Karaman’s house” there were minors as young as 15 years of age.

    A house = a rape camp

    Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) women were raped by the Serbs as part of a methodical and concentrated campaign of ethnic cleansing. For instance, the girls and women selected by the later convicted war criminal Dragoljub Kunarac or by his men, were systematically taken to the soldiers’ base, a house located in Osmana Đikić street no 16. There, the women and girls (some as young as 14) were repeatedly raped. Serb soldiers regularly took Muslim girls from various detention centres and kept them as sex slaves.

    Another house = another rape camp

    The other example includes Radomir Kovač, convicted also by ICTY. Radomir Kovač kept four young Muslim girls in his apartment, sexually abusing and repeatedly raping them. Kovač would also invite friends to his home and allow them to rape the girls. Kovač also sold three of the girls.

    An apartment = a rape camp

    There are dozens of rape camps owned by pakis throughout Britain’s towns and cities. It’s where English girls are repeatedly raped by gangs of pakis all with the protection and participation of the police.

  9. Good, I’m glad to see you’ve reversed your previous opinion on what constituted a rape camp.

  10. If we are in the business of digging up the dead like Saville and slapping the corpse around a bit. Then an actual warm body with a pulse enfeebled or not, must face trial. Let us also have the cover up merchants in the dock too.

  11. Meanwhile day 1436 closes with the Rotherham kiddie fiddlers still free and the MSM effectively still covering it up. Come May do vote for the cover up establishment won’t you. Not ukip who remain beyond the pale.

    Me I’m voting ukip.

  12. Paul McMahon, on April 17th, 2015 at 8:59 PM Said:
    Good, I’m glad to see you’ve reversed your previous opinion on what constituted a rape camp.

    Paul – that’s excellent. You agree that every English town and city has rape camps where English girls are raped by pakis or do you?

    Paul McMahon, on March 30th, 2015 at 10:13 PM Said:

    Jesus Pete you do like a bit of exaggeration don’t you? There’s been a prolific paedo ring uncovered in Rochdale comprised of men from a Pakistani background, but a ‘rape camp?’

  13. I agree that any premises were people are systematically and continuously sexually abused can be described as a rape camp. If people are being systematically and continuously raped in these buildings by sex attackers of any ethnicity then they are rape camps.

    I also find it interesting how your definition of things change when they suit your political agenda.

  14. I also find it interesting how your definition of things change when they suit your political agenda.

    Paul – I was persuaded by the power of your argument that locations where rape happens on a systematic basis are rape camps, such locations being apartments, houses and other dwellings in Bosnia – and Rotherham, Oxford, Bradford etc. It’s good to see that you also finally persuaded yourself because schizophrenics can be so difficult to engage in debate.

  15. Paul – I was persuaded by the power of your argument that locations where rape happens on a systematic basis are rape camps

    Good. I just find it strange that you were only persuaded when it suited your narrative.

    It’s good to see that you also finally persuaded yourself because schizophrenics can be so difficult to engage in debate.

    Schizophrenic eh? If you’d like to elaborate on my supposed schizophrenia I’ll counterpoint your arguments however, much like your rape camp conversion, I can’t help but wryly grin that someone who continuously states how allegations of mental illness are used to dismiss arguments is now reverting to the same alleged tactic.

  16. Paul – you now agree that Pete’s use of the term ‘rape camp’ to describe the locations of the systematic rape of white girls by pakis is not an exaggeration, and I agree that rape camps meeting the same definition existed in Bosnia, both changes of opinion based upon your argument. Of some concern to your shrink is that I was more readily persuaded by your argument than you were, as the links to the original thread shows.

  17. Paul – you now agree that Pete’s use of the term ‘rape camp’ to describe the locations of the systematic rape of white girls by pakis is not an exaggeration

    (Sigh)

    Why are you trying to misrepresent what I said Allan?

  18. Paul – does Pete’s use of the term ‘rape camp’ to describe England’s rape-by-paki problem not conform with:

    I agree that any premises were people are systematically and continuously sexually abused can be described as a rape camp.

    Surely there are many places in Rotherham, Rochdale, Bradford and the elite Oxford and Cambridge which meet the description above?

  19. Does Pete’s use of the term ‘rape camp’ to describe England’s rape-by-paki problem not conform with…

    Okay Allan, let’s have a look at what I said as per your own quotations above:

    There were numerous rape camps in Foča. “Karaman’s house” was one of the most notorious rape camps. The women kept in this house were raped repeatedly. Among the women held in “Karaman’s house” there were minors as young as 15 years of age.

    Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) women were raped by the Serbs as part of a methodical and concentrated campaign of ethnic cleansing. For instance, the girls and women selected by the later convicted war criminal Dragoljub Kunarac or by his men, were systematically taken to the soldiers’ base, a house located in Osmana Đikić street no 16. There, the women and girls (some as young as 14) were repeatedly raped. Serb soldiers regularly took Muslim girls from various detention centres and kept them as sex slaves

    The other example includes Radomir Kovač, convicted also by ICTY. Radomir Kovač kept four young Muslim girls in his apartment, sexually abusing and repeatedly raping them. Kovač would also invite friends to his home and allow them to rape the girls. Kovač also sold three of the girls

    I spoke about houses, military bases and apartments in Foča.

    Now let’s look at what Pete says:

    Rochdale is an Islamic Jihad Rape camp

    To which I replied:

    Jesus Pete you do like a bit of exaggeration don’t you? There’s been a prolific paedo ring uncovered in Rochdale comprised of men from a Pakistani background, but a ‘rape camp?’

    And:

    Calling Rotheram a ‘rape camp’ is extreme hyperbole

    Now, you seem to have a reasonable command of the English language so no doubt you’ll recognise the nuances of me speaking about rape camps in various locations in the town of Foča where Bosnian Muslim women were systematically and repeatedly raped and Pete claiming that Rochdale as an entire town is an ‘ Islamic Jihad Rape camp’ which it clearly is not.

    That’s what my exaggeration and hyperbole comments were about.

    So, please, stop attempting to misrepresent what I said.

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for a retraction or apology for your blasé schizophrenic comment either because even though the basis for the comment has been shown to be a disingenuous fallacy you won’t have the good grace or honesty to recognise it.

    I am however happy that you now admit that Serbs operated rape camps to methodically rape Bosniak women.

  20. Paul – by our agreed definition, are there rape camps in Rotherham, Rochdale, Bradford etc?

  21. If…. IF?? Surely the answer, as for Bosnia, has to be ‘yes’.

    Ah – they’re only white British girls so there’s always an ‘if’.

  22. The rape houses in Rotherham etc compare to the rape camps in Bosnia the same way as the British concentration camps in the Boer War compare to Auschwitz.

    We all know, or should know what happened in each of these. You guys are taking about the meaning of words.

  23. If…. IF?? Surely the answer, as for Bosnia, has to be ‘yes’

    Have there been locations where women were repeatedly sexually abused? If there have then these locations can justifiably be described as rape camps.

    What more do you want me to say?

    Ah – they’re only white British girls so there’s always an ‘if’.

    Please stop talking even more bollocks than you normally do with more attempted misrepresentation.

    I have consistently and repeatedly stated that those found guilty of sex or any other type of crime should face the full force of the law regardless of ethnicity of the victim or the offender. Unlike you on Bosnia I have never attempted to deny, dismiss or diminish sex crimes, ethnic or anything else.

    The fact of the matter is that you have no interest in sex crime victims but only on perpetrators when they can be used to suit your own agenda as has been witnessed recently with your ‘rape camps’ u turn.

    So please, try being honest for once and drop the ‘it’s only British white girls’ crap

  24. We all know, or should know what happened in each of these.

    You guys are taking about the meaning of words

    Absolutely corrent Noel.

    No, not at all. The only semantics I’m speaking of is when Allan attempted to dishonestly equate my previous rape camps in Bosnia comments with Pete’s ‘Rochdale is an Islamic Jihad Rape camp’ hyperbole.

  25. The rape houses in Rotherham etc compare to the rape camps in Bosnia the same way as the British concentration camps in the Boer War compare to Auschwitz.

    Noel – the numbers of English girls raped in paki-run rape camps exceeds those of Bosnia. Perhaps those raped in the paki rape camps are offered tea afterwards which allows you to suppose that the rape victims in England are less traumatised than those in Bosnia. For me, those in England are worse because it’s happening to my people.

    As for “rape houses”, I’m sure that it is clear from Paul’s definition that a house or an apartment where rape is carried out systematically is a ‘rape camp’. The events in England show that such a rape program happened and is still happening because those in authority who oversaw the rape program are still in place.

  26. What are you doing to stop these ‘rape camps’ against ‘your people’? What’s that? That a single thing? Wow..

  27. Noel – the numbers of English girls raped in paki-run rape camps exceeds those of Bosnia

    Is that supported by verifiable figures or is it just supposition?

    For me, those in England are worse because it’s happening to my people.

    Evidently. See my comment above about you having no interest in sexual assault victims but rather on the ethnicity of the perpetrators to forward your agenda.

  28. Isn’t ‘Diversity’ a joy.

    Six-man grooming gang begins long jail sentences after being convicted for sexually exploiting children
    Gang have been jailed for a total of 31 years for sexually abusing children
    Offences happened in cars, woods or at the defendants’ homes in Banbury
    Lured victims to parties organised on social media and then abused them
    Girls aged between 13 and 16 were exploited by the gang from 2009 to 2014

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3046073/Six-man-grooming-gang-begins-long-jail-sentences-convicted-sexually-exploiting-children.html#ixzz3Xma1PbDK

  29. Allan@Aberdeen, on April 19th, 2015 at 5:20 PM Said:
    For me, those in England are worse because it’s happening to my people.

    Paul McMahon, on April 19th, 2015 at 5:47 PM Said:

    Evidently. See my comment above about you having no interest in sexual assault victims but rather on the ethnicity of the perpetrators to forward your agenda.

    Paul – the girls being raped are the victims and not the perpetrators. It’s just a clarification.

  30. This is interesting:

    Noel Cunning, on April 19th, 2015 at 4:03 PM Said:
    The rape houses in Rotherham etc compare to the rape camps in Bosnia the same way as the British concentration camps in the Boer War compare to Auschwitz.

    In Bosnia, it is stated that 20,000 women were raped by Serbs though, with only 23 convictions out of such a big number, one must wonder how the 20,000 can be sustained. Ah well – the jews have done it for decades, and no Serb women were raped by muslims? Anyway, let’s go with 20,000:

    http://www.operationspaix.net/DATA/DOCUMENT/4247~v~Mobilizing_the_Will_to_Prosecute__Crimes_of_Rape_at_the_Yugoslav_and_Rwandan_Tribunals.pdf

    In Rotherham alone, there are 1,400 girls raped. In every town and city throughout England, the same set-up. If it hasn’t been reported, then the cops haven’t been looking. The name Charlene Downes is unknown to Noel and Paul for the obvious reason that, being white, she isn’t ‘high profile’. Have a google – it’s an example of how things are.

    So Noel is right in that the concentration camps of the Boer War where Afrikaners were starved was worse that Auschwitz where prisoners were fed and had hospitals, just as the rape camps of England are now worse than what reportedly happened in Bosnia.

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