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My Congratulations to Her Majesty on the 60th anniversary of her coronation. There have been many ups and downs in a life lived in a fishbowl. The list of the Heads of State of other nations who have come and gone since she has been crowned Queen is simply so long that we can only call it modern history. She has demonstrated grace and dignity in times that too often lacked even an understanding of such attributes. At time I am sure she has lived the phrase heavy is the head that wears the crown (a coronet is really too small for a Queen, but the kind heart fits). One need not be a monarchist to admire a Monarch, and I offer her my admiration and salute. God Save the Queen.

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147 thoughts on “Kind Heart and Coronet

  1. Shame she broke her Coronation oath to her subjects .. us, when she signed not one, but all six European treaties, upon her Coronation oath, which I believe is to be ruled by concent, is for Her Majesty to protect her realm and it’s subjects from Foriegn rule or hindrance, and she has the power to use the Armies of England to do so .. she broke that contract and allegiance to the oath , not us, the English.

  2. The Troll, on June 4th, 2013 at 5:31 PM Said:
    God Save the Queen… amen

    Does God forgive treason 😉

    Once maybe .. but six counts?

  3. your countrymen not only forgive it, but accept it.

    When has the citizenry shut the country down until the decision is put in the hands of the people?

  4. Harri: “Shame she broke her Coronation oath to her subjects.”

    Yep, consequently we the UK have not had a lawful government since 1973 – that would explain much.

  5. Troll

    I know the Americans get taken in are unduly impressed by all the pomp & ceremony .. but let me assure you .. some of us English don’t

    The Queen in reality actually abdictaed the Throne when she signed the very first EU Federal superstate ‘Treaty’ .. she broke that Coronation oath .. not us

    As for the Queen having a ‘kind heart’ .. oh please

    By the way, the Royals over hundreds of years have taken off the peasants to surround themselves with priceless trinkets and paintings, which in fact actually belong to ‘the people’ then proceed to ‘charge’ a small fortune for those same peasants to look at those same trinkets and masterpieces which the peasants paid for in the first place.

    You couldn’t make it up

    And another thing, take her son, Prince Charles, a so called man who does even posses the ability to squeeze his own toothpaste on his own toothbrush 😉

  6. As I said .. Treason

    Herewith the actual words of the oath taken by the Queen on 2nd June 1953:

    Archbishop of Canterbury: Madam, is your Majesty willing to take the Oath?

    The Queen: I am willing.

    Archbishop: Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

    Queen: I solemnly promise so to do.

    Archbishop: Will you to your power cause Law and Justice, in Mercy, to be executed in all your judgements?

    Queen: I will.

    Archbishop: Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?

    Queen: All this I promise to do

  7. The Queen is such a kind hearted soul ..

    1.4 million British Servicemen gave their lives for our independence. The Queen has thrown their sacrifices away and made them worthless.

    How kind

  8. Harri, I respect the royals. Does that mean I agree with the direction that GB has ventured down? Surly not.

    It is however the Citizens of great britain that have allowed and continue to allow these policies to continue.

    You have no one to blame but your fellow countrymen, just as I can only blame mine for the direction of my country.

    We get the governments we deserve by allowing such nonsense to continue.

    As a rule I don’t speak poorly of the Queen. The Crown should have been passed decades ago. However to blame her for the government that you have elected is a fools rant.

  9. and it is the ELECTED government that has led you down this path. She just rubber stamped it… the will of the people as shown by their votes.

    Very Noble actually

  10. She is obliged by law and oath to reject any lawful recommendation from her Parliament. She has never chosen to do so.

  11. Troll

    She could always have said. No I am not going to sign the Treaties, I hear some argue, that maybe just maybe Queen Elizabeth II did not know or understand what she was signing … bollocks, she is the Queen, she swore an oath, she not only understands what the constitution means, she is the foremost expert on it, she has to be .. it’s her job

    If only those poor deluded souls who wait for hours in the cold, rain and wind to wave those little plastic blue and white flags at her Majestey would really think .. i9f they realised and knew the horrible truth of it all.

  12. What a load of self-obsessed nonsense.

    I’m not British nor am I a monarchist but QE2 has served the British people well. As Troll says, making her the scapegoat of your anti-EU rantings is just silly.

  13. MourneReg

    Maybe so, but that changes nothing absolutely nothing, she broke her Coronation oath .. end of

    It’s a fact, You nor I can change that fact.

  14. The ‘Queen’ is no more ‘Head of State’ than you or I .. she is now just plain old Mrs Winsdor in the eyes of the EU masters, in fact Mrs Winsdor is an … EU citizen, no more and no less.

  15. MourneReg, on June 4th, 2013 at 7:10 PM Said:
    Did she though?

    Yes she did .. That’s why there is no longer ‘Common Law’, she signed it all away .. Bill of rights, all gone

    ‘Did she though’ what is that question in hope or desperation?

    It is what it is.

    I did say ‘ if only those poor deluded fools who wait in the wind, cold and rain knew the horrible truth’ 😉

    Mournereg .. no offence, I take it you have waited in the wind, cold and rain?
    Treason

  16. Harri – The European commission offered its formal congratulations to Her Majesty (their words) on her Diamond Jubilee. So they obviously have greater respect for her and her role than you suggest.

  17. The queen has – no – power.

    It is a purely ceremonial role.

    If you don’t like what Parliament does, vote ’em out.

    Don’t wait tor sword bearing kings and queens riding dragons to come save you.

  18. So they obviously have greater respect for her and her role than you suggest.

    I bet they did, after all ‘she was only following orders’

  19. We can debate this issue all day long, and night presumably, but the fact remains .. Her Majesty broke her Coronation oath to her Realm and it’s subjects, and by ‘Common Law’ and the British constitution .. it is Treason, pure and simple

    One of the most significant aspects of the treaties of Rome, Maastricht, and Lisbon concerns the constitutional position of the Monarch. During her reign, Queen Elizabeth I stated: ‘To no power whatsoever is my crown subject save to that of Christ the King of Kings.’ Section Three of the Treason Felony Act of 1848 asserts that condemnation is incurred ‘If any person whatsoever shall, within the United Kingdom or without, compass, imagine, invent, devise or intend to deprive or depose our most gracious Lady the Queen…from the style, honour, or royal name of the imperial crown of the United Kingdom.’

    The Treaty of Maastricht made the Queen subject to the European Union and a citizen of that Union

    http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/royal-assent-of-treaty-of-lisbon.html

  20. “The queen has – no – power. It is a purely ceremonial role.”

    Ignorant rubbish. The monarch’s powers are encapsulated in the enacting clause:

    BE IT ENACTED by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

    It reveals that power resides in the person of the monarch, because it is the monarch who is vested with the sovereign powers of the people at the Coronation. It reveals also that Parliament is merely an advisory chamber with nothing more than the power to talk and recommend.

    That treason is commonplace and the law disregarded does not mean that the law does not exist.

  21. To our American (and others with the misfortune not to be British) friends, don’t listen to Harri and Pete. The Queen has broken no oaths. She has correctly acted to express the freely given consent of the freely elected Parliament to voluntarily join the European community as it has developed over the recent decades. It is in the power of the British people to end this arrangement if it so wishes.

    PS – A graciously worded tribute Mahons.

  22. Pete M

    Dictatorships and Traitors don’t go by our rules, and they most certainly don’t give a toss about the ‘Law’

  23. “together with the community of the whole realm, distrain and distress us in all possible ways, namely, by seizing our castles, lands, possessions, and in any other way they can, until redress has been obtained as they see fit…”

    Article 61 Magna Carta 1215

    The Queen gave it all away, when she signed over the reigns of power to the Brussels masters.

  24. The Queen has broken her Coronation Oath which, according to Sir William Blackstone (1723-1780), the great 18th Century Jurist, is “…in what form it so ever be conceived, this is most indisputably a fundamental and original contract…..And to reduce that contract to a plain certainty. So that whatever doubts might be formerly raised by weak and scrupulous minds about the existence of such an original contract, they must now entirely cease; especially with regard to every prince who has reigned since the year 1688”. The contract is between the Sovereign and the British People. Parliament has no part in it except to abide by it. But, by her own admission, she is no longer Sovereign, the contract, like the Law of Treason, is completely ignored by those who presume to govern us and who have usurped to themselves the powers of the Royal Prerogatives.”

    Colm, exactly what part of ‘Treason’ do you not understand

  25. Colm

    A good chunk of what is said here is pretend talk about pretend problems and pretend solutions.

    The queen should say ” off with their heads ” to the guys who negotiated the EEC / EU thing. Wow, now that’s practical.

  26. The Queen is the ‘Supreme ruler’ the ‘Head of State’ and therfore by Law the Head of the Government, and Queen choose to have the affairs of her country handed permanently to a foreign-power

    According to the Oath of the Coronation, the Queen enters into a contract to ‘Rule by consent’ and to protect the Nations subects from ‘foriegn rule or hindrance’ .. then she gave it all away.

    She broke that oath

  27. Except they didn’t. Firstly the United Kingdom is part of the European Union. It is thus not foreign. Secondly, it isn’t permanent. Thirdly EU law only has any standing in the UK because of the 1972 European Communities Act. It is only through British law than EU law has any standing. It is thus not foreign but British domestic law.

  28. “Shame she broke her Coronation oath to her subjects .. us..”

    Harri is that the real reason you emigrated to the Peoples Republik of Discontentia??
    😉

  29. All those British people who stand and cheer the queen at major occasions must be mistaken.

    They need to read ATW and realize that she is the villain of all the ages.

  30. Agit.

    Not really, I am an Englishman, and I have a duty to protect England.

    ‘It’s the law’

  31. We watched the highlights tonight on tv.
    Great great stuff!
    The Queen God Bless her nodded of a couple of times, the Duke didn’t look too good but evidently was determined to be there to support his wife.
    William and Catherine plus Harry looked great, the modern face of the monarchy.
    The Archbishop Justin Welby spoke well too.
    You look around this ancient Abbey and all that incredible history and the solemn ceremonial stretching way back.
    And not an African dancer to be seen anywhere….
    😉

  32. Harri,
    as CallmeDave might say,
    “Because it’s the RIGHT thing to do!”

  33. Harri

    What part of ‘voluntary association’ do you not understand ?

    We are not part of the EU by force or dictat but as Seamus so accurately points out, purely by British law as enacted solely by our Parliament. Our Parliament is also free at any time to enact a new law that ends our membership of the EU. The Queen and the UK Parliament have given no sovereign powers away at all.

  34. The Queen and the UK Parliament have given no sovereign powers away at all.

    Got it .. is that why the UK gets ‘fined’ at every twist and turn for non-compliance to EU ‘Law’… righty-ho then.

  35. Harri

    That is because we have CHOSEN to be in the club and abide by its rules. We haven’t been subdued by an army of Belgian Bureaucrats forcing us to surrender under a bombardment of Brussells sprouts 😉

  36. ‘voluntary association’ ?

    We need ‘Treaties’ for ‘voluntary association’

    Voluntary association; which we (the people) can vote to get out of anytime is acceptable, a mere Tranche region of a European Federal superstate .. isn’t

  37. Do you understand what is meant by the term sovereign? The Queen-in-Parliament could tomorrow repeal the 1972 European Communities Act, ending any say for the EU in the UK. If the EU was sovereign and the Queen-in-Parliament no longer sovereign then that couldn’t happen.

  38. Colm

    Belgium has not even got a government 😉

    And correct me if I am not so terribly wrong, but Brussel sprouts, are those little beauties an ‘English’ concept 😉

  39. //Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan,//

    Yet more examples of her treason. She is in flagrant breach of her oath to protect the peopel of Pakistan when she doesn’t order her air force to stop American drones.

  40. Noel that’s the best yet… Protect the terrorists in Pakistan. Spoken like the true terrorist loving little boy that you are…lol

  41. “As Kevin Maguire of the daily mirror has said, 60 years on welfare got to be a record ma’am ”

    Contemptible Kateyo.

  42. Harri

    I don’t care whether sprouts are Belgian or English, they are horrible foul tasting little bastards, and the Queen would certainly be fulfilling her sacred oath to the British people if she banned the ugly little veggie scrotums from our fair land 😉

  43. I wouldn’t be in the public eye for a lifetime for all the Guinness in Dublin and neither would anyone here.

    You can have that job.

    Don’t begrudge.

  44. “I wouldn’t be in the public eye for a lifetime for all the Guinness in Dublin and neither would anyone here.”

    Here in the UK there are plenty of angry little people only too willing to see the Monarch as Oppressor Sponger Parasite and Snob.
    They are blinded by their own bigotry “have not-edness” that they fail to realise the personal costs of being in the public eye all the time.

  45. Kateyo,
    She didn’t choose the role, it was her duty.
    And in any case you want to point out any better system?
    Corruption and snobbery manifest in all kinds of ways, anywhere.
    I seem to remember you went off on one the last time we discussed the monarchy.
    I can accept a discussion for removing the monarchy, but not the nasty spiteful and ignorant attacks on a person and family that the English especially have seen fit to retain over the long centuries.

  46. look face facts they made a trade, they got to keep their wealth, and the peasantry got the right to elect temporary monarch wannabe’s.

    If the royal family still ran everything do you think your position would be better or worse? Honest Question.

  47. And in any case you want to point out any better system?

    It’s called a Democratic Republic… by, for and of the people 😉

  48. Agit8ed

    It’s perfectly fine to admire the Queen and support our system of Constitutional monarchy as I do too, but there is no need to get all toadyish or deferential about them. Its perfectly OK for people to have very different views as Kateyo does. The royals should not be seen as some ‘untouchable’ sacred entity.

  49. besides be honest. If your elected officials had their hands on the royals wealth it would be gone by now.

  50. Vote for them did you agi? They sponge off the lot of us not just the English. Old Philip could give lessons in rudeness to boot, he’s an ignoramus

  51. Royals come from different countries all the time.

    Bring in King Obama the First for Buckingham Palace. He’ll do England good and proper.

  52. Why do you assume I believe in being deferential or toadyish?
    We’ve also been down this road before. I don’t believe anyone is better than me, but they may occupy more important positions or be more intelligent. That is a fact of life. So I can give them respect for the role they play, not their worth as an individual.
    I think it is offensive to call people spongers or whatever when they can’t very well answer back, or may indeed wrestle themselves with the position they find themselves called to.
    And my lst point still stands. The majority of the English have shown no great wish to do away with the monarchy, so what does that say about us?

  53. “They sponge off the lot of us not just the English.”

    There speaks a certain mindset.
    I wonder if the Irish kings were held in the same contempt?

  54. I wonder if the Irish kings were held in the same contempt?

    Well, they haven’t been around for a while! Royalty has no place in the modern world. I would be furious if I was paying for some dipshit to play polo!

  55. Agi we are talking about sponging for sixty years….

    Send the spongers out to earn a living. Too many hangers on sponging off them while they sponge of everybody. Disgusting lot!!!

  56. The people rule.

    If the citizens of monarchy nations want to keep their monarchies, then by definitino there is a place for monarchy still.

    The Queen gives more value for money than all the special consultants, diversity counselors, open borders facilitators, feminist kintergarten brainwashers or health and safety superintendants in all the land.

    She brings in the tourists. The others just make money go away.

  57. There’s a lot of sponging going on. Disgusting habit if you ask me. It makes you go blind 🙂

  58. Colm

    It isn’t a matter of being deferential or even being anti-morarchy. Anyone who thinks that the Queen is a sponger is either thick or ignorant or possibly both. Whether anyone approves of having a monarchy or not, she has a full schedule performing the role of HoS.

  59. kateyo, on June 4th, 2013 at 10:24 PM Said:
    Agi they are contemptible – greedy spongers.

    That, and the Royals are the most dysfunctional family on the planet.

  60. Kateyo

    Have you not read all of the above posts (mostly from the other side of the pond)

    ‘The Queen is a kind soul’ .. laugh, I nearly died 😉

  61. Harri
    “That, and the Royals are the most dysfunctional family on the planet.”
    And you are still of this opinion after having met all ATW bloggers and their families?? 😉

  62. And you are still of this opinion after having met all ATW bloggers and their families??

    I am pretty much certain, that if anyone on ATW (and their families) had even so much as 1% of the Queens wealth, there would not be any homeless or starving children on the streets of Great Britain

    Still, the Queen is a such a ‘Kind hearted old soul’ 😉

  63. Petr,
    “Well, they haven’t been around for a while! ”

    Ah, but perhaps loyalty was always hard to come by in Ireland?

  64. “I am pretty much certain, that if anyone on ATW (and their families) had even so much as 1% of the Queens wealth, there would not be any homeless or starving children on the streets of Great Britain”

    Never an argument to cut much ice with me. You could apply the same thing to the heads of any country -including the Peoples Republik of Discontentia and get the same response.
    Zilch!
    Most of the Queen’s apparent wealth belongs to the nation anyway.

  65. Most of the Queen’s apparent wealth belongs to the nation anyway.

    Not so Agit, the Queen has a private wealth which makes her by far, the richest woman on the planet.

  66. Harri dysfunctional? Sure fergie was an oul hire with her tits hanging out in all the papers and some eejit sucking her toe, Diana was to busy chasing men to be with her kids, and Harry prancing about Las Vegas jumping on the backs of young girls, he doesn’t suffer from problems from Afghanistan does he? And kate of course bringing in another sprog ASIC the tax payer hadn’t enough mouths to feed. Scum the lot of them!

  67. By the way, the Royals over hundreds of years have taken off the peasants to surround themselves with priceless trinkets and paintings, which in fact actually belong to ‘the people’ then proceed to ‘charge’ a small fortune for those same peasants to look at those same trinkets and masterpieces which the peasants paid for in the first place.

    Wow!! Harri & I have found common ground!!

    I wonder if the Irish kings were held in the same contempt?
    Well, they haven’t been around for a while!

    Actually they are still around and they’re not held in the sane contempt.

    Your visit to Tory will start with a personal welcome from royalty! The King of Tory Island is elected by the people of the Island and although the title holds no legal status it is one that confers considerable honour on its holder.
    The current incumbent is Patsy Dan Rodgers, who makes it his business to personally greet every visitor on arrival and quite often lead them from the ferry in a parade complete with music.

    Tory Island

    That’s a beautifully crafted piece Mahons, I’m sure the serfs will be pleased.

    Which leads me to a particularly tasteless joke;

    Q. What do you get if you cross Prince Charles & The Queen?

  68. Q. What do you get if you cross Prince Charles & The Queen?

    ‘Prince’ Edward 😉

  69. Wow!! Harri & I have found common ground!!

    Whoooohoo !
    You are now officialy back on my Christmas card list 😉

    But I draw the line at Tarasov, I don’t have anytime for violent UAF thugs

  70. “Actually they are still around and they’re not held in the sane contempt.”

    Paul,
    Now don’t tell me,
    They are honourary members of Sinn Fein,
    and they believe wholeheartedly in Republicanism.
    and they have given back ALL the gould they stould from the Leprechauns,
    and they have stood up before the Dail, confessed their sins
    and the delusions of grandeur that has (along with certain other Irish politicians) bedevill’d all Irish royalty since the beginning.. 🙂

  71. Agi, did you bother reading the link I supplied?

    Q. What do you get if you cross Prince Charles & The Queen?

    A. Killed in a Paris tunnel

    Well, I did warn you about its tastelessness 🙂

  72. “Agi, did you bother reading the link I supplied?”

    Didn’t notice one. Only read the bit in pink starting…

    “Your visit to Tory will start with a personal welcome from royalty!”

    I was kinda hoping for a more irrit8ed response from you Paul.
    I am disappointed.

  73. Not like you to be opinionated and jump in feet first, all guns blazing, without knowing the full story 🙂

  74. Paul,
    But it makes life interesting does it not?
    Being opinionated and getting hold of the wrong end of the stick is not the sole preserve of the Irish you know. 😉
    Incidentally you are not descended from Irish nobility are you?
    I thought perhaps that the Spanish royal family had offered you refuge under its royal wing perchance. Obviously you can’t be that noble, or he wouldn’t have offered you a place in Pamplona…

  75. Hi A8! Apart from Tory, Ireland has no royalty—St. Patrick saw to that—hadn’t you heard he drove all the snakes out…;-P

  76. “Hi A8! Apart from Tory, Ireland has no royalty—St. Patrick saw to that—hadn’t you heard he drove all the snakes out…;-P”

    Not another one!
    The last time we threw out a Monarch was er, let me see now,
    Charles the First back in 1649..

    “Charles I was a rickety, ill-educated, devious autocrat, married to a manipulative foreign Catholic. Charles was raised and lived in Scotland and hoped to unite the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland into a new single kingdom. He believed in the Devine Right of Kings where God had given him authority. That belief caused his disdain and contempt for his subjects. England at the time was Presbyterian, Puritan and other Independents, who talked to God directly and heard a different message than Charles did. They loathed the Catholic Bishops interfering in their affairs.”

    Is them the kind of snakes you wus referring to?

    http://www.piratedocuments.com/Admiralty%20Reports/beheading_king_charles1_1649.htm

  77. The US state of Maryland is named after Chucky No 1’s wife I believe…though her name was Henrietta Maria…the commoners called her Mary…hence Maryland…which began life as a haven colony for Catholics because the transplanted Protestants kept picking on the purrr transplanted Catholics.

  78. Paul McMahon, on June 5th, 2013 at 2:17 PM Said:
    Agi, did you bother reading the link I supplied?

    Q. What do you get if you cross Prince Charles & The Queen?

    A. Killed in a Paris tunnel

    Well, I did warn you about its tastelessness

    Seems fair to me, Diana was one unlucky Lady getting killed in an ‘Unfortunate accident’ in the safest car on the planet, with a bodygaurd who did not know his arse from his elbow 😉

  79. Apart from Tory, Ireland has no royalty—St. Patrick saw to that—hadn’t you heard he drove all the snakes out…;-P

    Most of the small, inhabited islands around Ireland have an honorary ‘king’, mairin, voted for by the islanders.

    Rathlin’s king, at least up until a year or two ago was a man called ‘Gusty’ MCurdy. I was present when he welcomed Tory’s king, Patsy Dan, to the island for the first time. Great craic! 🙂

  80. mairin2
    Dare I say this?
    Oh alright you forced me…
    No matter what the deviancy behind Henry the VIIIth’s break from Catholicism it was the best thing that ever happened to England because it set us on a path allowing the Bible rather than the Pope to become our reference point, and for the translations of the Bible to become available to the common man. (Common as in “lots of them”).

    There are some very fine, pious and lovely people in the Catholic church, but I believe in the NT definition of Christianity. I accept that no Christian group has all the truth or is always right, but I totally reject the idea of the Pope as being God’s representative on earth.

  81. Thanks for that, Seimi…I’ve never been to any of the islands…on my list of things to do though. Did you have fun with the folks down under while they were up in our hemisphere? Mine arrive next week…;-)~ and I plan on serving up some of Pete’s Brandy sours at least one evening but I’ll be sure to hide the resin chairs.

  82. The islands are beautiful, mairin. Inis Oírr, the smallest of the Galway Arran Islands, is heaven on Earth. That’s the island you see at the start of father Ted, the one with the boat (a German ship which was wrecked there in the 60s).

    Cape Clear Island, off the coast of Cork is beautiful too. Rathlin as well. Tory is a must see. Aranmore too.

    We had great fun with the Antipodean’s, thanks. Some lovely days out, and plenty of drunken nights in 🙂

    Pete’s recipe looks interesting. Not much of a spirits drinker myself, but I’d give that a go 🙂

  83. A8—my peeps come from both sides of the divide—Ps and Cs. Up through the 80s, the family on one side didn’t speak to the other for intermarrying. That pretty much ended with the grandparents though. That is, my C grandmother’s siblings and other relatives stopped speaking to her and her brother because they married Ps. In fact, first time I met her brother was at my granny’s funeral. A lot of the in-fighting had to do with in-laws. Anyway, I’m no longer either and unlike most of the rest of the world, arguing/fighting over religion just ain’t my cuppa. Back to work…bah!

  84. That’s very sad mairin2,
    Quite common though.
    It takes I think a determination to see the best in each side and a long time to achieve it 🙂
    Here’s one of my old time favourites on the subject…

  85. But it makes life interesting does it not?

    Pah! I was hoping fpr one of those ‘more irrit8ed responses’ that you speak of 😉

    Well done for not biting.

  86. Paul,
    I like sincere people, but some are easier to understand than others,
    Your Highness…. 🙂
    Did you like my link for mairin2 at 5:48?

  87. I like the Grehan Sisters. Their sound suits the song. I also like another one they did, Something about a traitor and a mill? I’ll have to search through my dvds.

  88. //air. I perfer it in it’s original format. //

    Paul, that isn’t the original version. That song was one of the many written just before the 100-yr annivesary of the ’98 rising in 1898 – a huge outpouring of patriotic sentiment that influenced, even formed, the Republicans of 1916 and the following years.

    The Orange and Green song is based on “The Wearin’ of the Green”, a much older song.

    It was collected by Dion Boucicault around the mid 19th C, and is in turn based on a street ballad from the time of the 98 Rebellion.

  89. Paul,
    I remember now. It was the Grehan Sisters singing “Henry Joy”.
    A good rousing tune.

  90. In terms of songs written about the 1798 rebellion this is my favourite. I’ve loved it from the moment I first heard Paddy Reilly sing it all those years ago.

  91. A lovely song Paul,
    but,
    (and don’t take offence)
    if I as an Englishman can be seduced by the sheer joy, the stirring of the blood, and the events of the moment,
    then is it not possible that others too can be subjectively taken up with the aura* of the music and sentiments, and lose sight of the objectivity, the reality of the situation?

    I’m listening now to the lyrics of “The wearing of the Green” and sure it stirs my blood, but is it right? Is it linked to reality?
    In my own background it was this appeal to the supremacy of emotion rather than logic which caused a lot of domestic warfare… 😉

  92. THIS is (IMO) the best song from ’98, in fact the best Irish rebel song of them all:

  93. * I can’t think of a better word.
    Julie Garland was only remotely Irish- Scottish, anyway.

  94. I forgot to mention that my father played the spoons, my grandfather went with friends to a pub where he got kicked out for not being Republican, and “Green Peas or Barley” were quite common in the community.

    You don’t think perhaps there’s Iri*** ancestry back there somewhere?
    Is that where the argumentative, opinionated, loveable qualities come from??

  95. //I forgot to mention that my father played the spoons//

    A fine instrument. I have never met a man who played the spoons who wasn’t thoroughly decent.

    //my grandfather went with friends to a pub where he got kicked out for not being Republican,//

    Serves him right.

  96. Noel,
    DON’T comment on stuff that is addressed to McMahons and not you.

    In my book you’re A CREEP.
    You will remain A CREEP until you can admit you were out of order to call me mad, mentally ill, a pious ponce and whatever else.

    Not that I care, I know who I am.
    But YOU need to realise that throwing stuff around like that is not forgotten or forgiven, until you admit to being out of order.
    This “mad unstable pious ponce” can apologise when it’s pointed out HE’s wrong, so as a cultured intellectual who likes to poke fun at other people’s failings, why can’t YOU?

    So SOD OFF, and think about the INCONSISTENCY of throwing out insults to someone who’s opinions or mentality you previously rubbished
    but now wish to comment on, because it interests you.

  97. ANYONE, who is not banned, is entitled to comment on ANYTHING posted on the thread including the comments. It is up to us to ignore them if we choose,

  98. Agit8ed,

    to paraphrase yourself in another thread:

    Why are you allowing yourself to get wound up by Noel?

  99. Seimi,
    I ain’t wound up.
    But I recognise the power of words.
    In my younger life I found that when you took on a bully (or a Noel type), they often came out with

    ” Eewwww, I was only joking! What’re you getting so wound up about?”

    If Noel thought I was old/senile/mad/unstable/pious there were other more kindly more respectful ways to express that .

    He didn’t choose them.
    So what do you want?
    I should let that go by the board because “he didn’t mean it?”
    No, no, no.
    He apologises I forgive.
    No problem.

  100. In what thread did he call you all those names?

    I have to say, if that’s the worst you’ve been called on this site, you should consider yourself pretty lucky! Many people have been called much worse.

    As to the person you refer to as a ‘creep’ – Noel always comes across as one of the more polite, articulate, funny and educated people on here. In fact, he is someone you yourself would turn to with requests for poetry.

    Everyone here gets annoyed occasionally, and says things in the heat of the moment. Perhaps you should let it go? You can’t demand that he desists from commenting on your comments (as Aileen correctly points out), and then comment at length on him, including name-calling. Remember – you recognise the power of words.

  101. Seimi,

    Follow the link..

    HARD CHEESE…

    I am English. I accept that things are said in order to win an argument or to insult/ridicule your opponent.
    What was Noel trying to prove on that thread?
    As I said before I have reluctantly gotten into fights where the opponent has suddenly said
    “Ooooh, what are you getting upset about?”

    My experience is that if you then say “Sorry I thought you were say…”
    that’s when they try to plunge the dagger in your back.

  102. //you were out of order to call me mad, mentally ill, a pious ponce and whatever else.//

    I said you are either a liar or mad.

    That was wrong, because your behaviour before, during and since shows clearly which one it is.

  103. Noel,
    and ipso facto you remain a creep.

    You prove it by an inability to say or define “sorry, I shouldn’t have said that.”
    Stay away from my posts (you and Dorothy) and I will refrain from commenting on yours. Stick with your gang, I can stick up for myself.

  104. I intend to post where I like on anything I like regardless of this idiot’s orders.

  105. Noel the Mohel,

    You saId

    “Agit8ed, you are mentally ill.”

    You said,
    “I’ve noticed for a long time how you have difficulty understanding what’s written here, even more difficulty in writing coherently, how you started chasing Colm claiming he was gay, then your morbid obsession with my underwear and lately your bizarre pursuits of mahons for whatever reason, and have come to the conclusion that you really are mentally ill – not in the way that some people say Allan or Pete or whatever are mad – but that you’ve really got serious mental problems.
    At any rate, I don’t want to have any dealings with you here.”

    Then on anpther thread re Colm, (Wave a white flag)
    it’s
    “You don’t have to be God to see that you’re a brazen liar.
    I remember when you started up with this particular one of your obsessions. It wasn’t long ago.
    Around that time you also had a discussion with Colm, when you tried to tell him what makes you think that. At no time did he say he was gay; in fact at no time then did even you claim that he had ever said he was.
    Now you try to put it out that it was Colm who said it first.
    As I said, you are an ill-bred and brazen liar.”

    So you go on Noel,
    Prove to the ATW world that you’re girl enough to throw out these kind of insults, but not man enough to say
    “I’m sorry, I was out of order.”

  106. I intend to post where I like on anything I like regardless of this idiot’s orders.”
    What kind of caring, compassionate, objective, tolerant profession was it you were telling us you are soon to retire from??

  107. Oh lets have the whole thread. Now that he has decided to draw attention to his “Colm is gay” obsession.

    WAVE A WHITE FLAG…

    this is where his hilarious use of the name Dorothy started. That it is based on the phrase Friend of Dorothy being a term for gay and Colm being considered a friend of mine and thus tied up with the groundless comments about Colm being gay, and thus carrying on with the gay association, does not appear to bother him.

  108. Aileen,
    I have the utmost respect for what you have experienced re your family.

    That in itself doesn’t make you a nicer, better or more saintlier person.

    You threw your hat into the ring re Colm.
    In all innocence I said what I said, and I apologised if i was wrong.
    True or not true?

    Did Colm subsequently throw a wobbly that I was wrong in thinking he was gay?

    No.
    Is there any past ATW evidence to show that I think Gays are evil?
    No.
    Is there evidence to show I am against Gay marriage?
    Yes, loads of.

    So shut your mouth darling, until you can show where I have accused anyone of deliberately choosing
    to be gay or made fun or insulted them for being so.

  109. //That in itself doesn’t make you a nicer, better or more saintlier person.//

    One sees many inane comments on these pages.

    But surely the above is a new record.

  110. Noel,
    whatever.
    You remain a creep.
    Unable to apologise, unable to admit perhaps they are wrong.
    Until you are, you and your washing machine were made for each other.

  111. Re the Idiot’s You threw your hat into the ring re Colm.

    Re the idiot’s comments

    “In all innocence I said what I said, and I apologised if i was wrong.
    True or not true?”
    not sure why he thinks that this excuses his behaviour including continuing with the Dorothy reference.

    “Did Colm subsequently throw a wobbly that I was wrong in thinking he was gay? No”
    I really do think that he thinks that this means he did nothing wrong.

    “Is there any past ATW evidence to show that I think Gays are evil?
    No.
    Is there evidence to show I am against Gay marriage?
    Yes, loads of.”

    I really think that he thinks that this is relevant.

    “So shut your mouth darling, until you can show where I have accused anyone of deliberately choosing
    to be gay or made fun or insulted them for being so.”

    Does the idiot really think I will shut my mouth to suit him? Calling a woman why clearly doesn’t like him “darling” is very creepy!

  112. lost the comment re Colm

    Apparently as shown in that thread he reserves the right to speak out if something is wrong but that doesn’t extend to others.

  113. Mahons

    Sorry your gracious thread ended up so off track.

    She has done a good job IMO.

  114. Does the idiot really think I will shut my mouth to suit him? Calling a woman why clearly doesn’t like him “darling” is very creepy!”

    Even creepier that you respond, “darling”.
    You’ve got no evidence, you jumped on the bandwagon for your own reasons,
    you’re supposed to be a professional “whatever”,
    You’ve got my contempt.
    End of.

  115. more idiocy

    So you are meant to be allowed to act anyway you like without challenge.

    I had more than evidence I had proof

    He said Colm was gay – there is proof on the thread – linked on another
    He carried on with the Dorothy nonsense – proof on this thread
    He demanded that someone not comment on his comment – proof on this thread
    I “jumped on the bandwagon” by challenging his never-ending references to Colm being gay for my own reasons – the reason being I considered it unacceptable and wanted it to stop.

    I think I might just manage to struggle on with his contempt 🙂

  116. Aileen – it is virtually impossible to maintain the actual topic of a post or to not have visitations from conspiracy lunatics. No mater the topic. If I post about the joy of ice cream and someone will write that there is an international Dairy Cartel run out of Obama’s private mosque that controls all ice cream delivery trucks on behalf of the teamsters.

  117. Mahon

    It wasn’t the “conspiracy lunatics” (only really see one of these in our number ) this time. 🙂

  118. “He said Colm was gay – there is proof on the thread – linked on another
    He carried on with the Dorothy nonsense – proof on this thread”

    And he also said he thought it was common knowledge.
    He apologised
    if he was wrong and he apologised for being wrong if indeed he had got the facts wrong.

    But for Goodness sake Dorothy, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant!

    Click your heels again and perhaps “the idiot “(a very professional term if you don’t mind the idiot saying so), will go away.

  119. I have stated the facts.

    It is also clear from that thread that he took the hump because his error was pointed out – and also continuing with “I didn’t know it was a secret”. It is also clear he continues with references to Dorothy based on gays being friends of Dorothy and me being a friend of Colm.

    So the idiot comes out with the nonsense that I had no evidence. he doesn’t let the facts get in theway of a good rant.

    Why I wonder does the idiot think it is anyway relevant whether I use professional terms when I am not acting in a professional capacity

  120. Off topic again:

    I read somewhere recently, something about Obama and Muslim ice cream…

  121. What is it with some of you people that “Sorry I was wrong” is either like saying
    Shit

    What is it with some of you people that
    “Sorry I was wrong” can never fit into your vocabulary?
    You seem to see it as a mark of weakness
    whereas I see it as a mark of maturity.

  122. Not sure here but I think I am meant to say sorry for objecting to a commentator being referred to as gay without him saying so and/or saying sorry for objecting to a demand that his comments to another commentator be considered off limits to another commentator.

    I think it might be that having been shown to be wrong others have to be considered as wrong too to keep him company.

  123. Boolavogue’s a great sone Noel, it’s also a reminder that not all Catholic clerics chose to sit in their ivory towers, (the individual exception still thankfully remains today). My favourite version is the Kathleen Largey one

    Paddy McGuigan, who wrote that, Paul, also wrote ‘Men Behind the Wire.’

    Yep, but for me the B side of ‘Men Behins the Wire’ (another written by Ray McGuigan), was a much superior song Seimi;

    I have never met a man who played the spoons who wasn’t thoroughly decent.

    Agreed Noel

    My grandfather went with friends to a pub where he got kicked out for not being Republican

    Proper order. Where was this?

    I’ve got a feeling that the above comments and questions are going to be overshadowed by another agenda on this thread 🙁

  124. Yep, but for me the B side of ‘Men Behins the Wire’ (another written by Ray McGuigan), was a much superior song Seimi;

    Good song, Paul 🙂

    I’ve got a feeling that the above comments and questions are going to be overshadowed by another agenda on this thread 🙁

    I fear you are correct. Oh wait! – I responded, so they weren’t completely overshadowed! 🙂

  125. My fault. I write about the Queen and of course here on ATW someone has to write about allegations that someone is one.

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