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Some years back, I visited New Orleans for the first time. As I am wont to do in any new city, I took a walk.

About a mile south of the tourist area, I ran into this statue of Robert E Lee, on this huge pedestal. I couldn’t believe that such a thing could exist, still, but there it was, buddy.

This statue in Lee Circle, New Orleans, came to be in 1884, not that long after the end of the Civil War. It was taken down in 2015, and is now in an unknown location.

Five years after the New Orleans statue was whisked away, another statue of the General was removed from the US Capitol building. It happened last night. The removal was recommended by a committee established by the Virginia legislature, with the full approval of the state’s governor. It is likely that Lee’s statue will be replaced by one of civil rights activist Barbara Johns.

This Lee monument stood in the Capitol since 1909.

This statue removal, which came about after a thoughtful and lawful process, means so much more than the destruction of statues by mobs that we have seen.

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68 thoughts on “Robert E Lee Statues Are No More

  1. the acts of the people you support

    And KKK Leader Byrd statues and monuments still stand all over Virginia, and the Capital.

  2. No WEST Virginia…… but you “miss” the point or more acurately spin past the point.

    Byrd was a KKK Leader his Statue still stands in the Capital, His monuments are all over both West and Regular Virginia and there is no talk of removing his name from history.

    You support Biden who eulogized Byrd, stood for segregation. Your hate of a man has driven you willingly into the arms of people that go against the core of who you are.

    They are destroying history, they are acting like what they are Bolsheviks, and you cheer their gain of power. You cut off your nose to spite your face.

  3. The destruction of history is an outrage and the people in power are destroying it in the name of political correctness and I don’t see outrage in your words or expression of Lee’s removal.

    Yes he was the Confederacy’s top General, we planted our dead in his frontyard and crushed his army and his wannabe nation, but he is a crucial part of American history.

    The Democrats and their brownshirts are intent on destroying our past to match their narrative and you show no outrage… I find that appaling.

    Other than that, good post.

  4. I don’t support the removal of either statue.

    But I intentionally left that out of the post.

    Enough outrage around here most of the time.

    He was a great American, one who opposed secession. And who helped with reconciliation after the war ended. Had he not asked the defeated southerners to be good Americans, the following decades could have been terrible.

    And as said elsewhere, he owned slaves but so did the pharaohs and I don’t see a movement to demolish the pyramids

  5. and yet that too is to be erased from history…. it’s not you that angers me Tom, it’s the outrage that this is now accepted.

  6. I got into an argument over this earlier on another platform and was called a Racist Confederate because I was defending his place in history.

    I didn’t bother to explain my undying admiration for Sherman….. it’s not worth arguing with some people.

    You I always enjoy our different points of view which are fewer than most realize.

  7. Before the war, Lee clearly opposed secession.

    He declined Lincoln’s offer to lead the Union Army because he could not bring himself to take arms against his brother Virginians.

    He wrote of slavery as an evil ( but was a slave owner himself )

    After the war, he opposed the construction of Confederate monuments. He wanted the former Confederates to be loyal to the US and to move on.

  8. //Whenever I hear that name I always think of this://

    I always think of the line mentioning the man in the song “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”.

    The song is a deliberate, and very successful, attempt to sound as if it is a “traditional” song written at the time, but was in fact written in the late 1960s.

    Most of the events mentioned are historical. The cavalry tearing up the rail tracks was to stop reinforcements reaching Lee.
    “The Robert E Lee” was not a train, as I used to think, but a steamboat.

    It’s news to me that Lee opposed secession. I always thought he was the very embodiment of the Confederacy.
    Why then do latter-day Confederates put up statues to him and not to more true secessionist?
    And why are these eegits now taking his statues down?

  9. “and yet that too is to be erased from history…. it’s not you that angers me Tom, it’s the outrage that this is now accepted.”

    He isn’t erased from history. History will remember Robert E. Lee, in the same way history remembers many figures without statues. They tore down the statues of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and people still remember who Saddam Hussein was. They tore down the statutes of Adolf Hitler and other Nazi symbolism in Germany and people still remember who Adolf Hitler was. They tore down the statues of Lenin and Marx in Eastern Europe and people still remember who Lenin and Marx were.

    This is not about history. This is about honour. This is about people 100 years ago putting Robert E. Lee literaly on a pedestal to be celebrated and honoured, not so that people wouldn’t forget his crimes, but that people could celebrate and revel in his crimes.

    “He was a great American, one who opposed secession.”

    The US elected a President who the south opposed. And in their opposition they committed treason and seceeded from the Union. If, following the rather insane call from the Texas GOP, the state of Texas, and other southern states, were to reject the election of President Biden, commit treason and seceede from the Union, and the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General John E. Hyten, was to follow his state of Alabama and fight on the side of the rebels, would you consider him a great American or a traitor?

    Robert E. Lee wasn’t a great American. He was racist, violent, white supremacist, traitor. Robert E. Lee swore an oath to defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. When those domestic enemies became his mates and people he agreed with he betrayed his oath. He betrayed his oath so that he and his mates could continue owning and brutalising black people. To commemorate Robert E. Lee is to commemorate those who gave everything so that they could own and brutalise black people.

    Most statues of the Confederates were erected in the first 2 decades of the 20th century. Not immediately after the Civil War, not even after the end of Reconstruction. But in the 1900-1920 period. Why? The birth of the first civil rights movement. The foundation of the NAACP. The campaigns against Jim Crow. The statues weren’t put up to commemorate the Southern men who died in the Civil War. They were put up to intimidate black people. That is what these statues are for. The man depicted was a violent white supremacist who commited treason to keep black people in their place. And the men who put the statues up did so because they were violent white supremacists who wanted to keep black people in their place.

    Robert E. Lee was a slaveowner, and a brutal slaveowner at that – who went against decades of standard practice at his (wife’s) plantation, simply so he could be more brutal to the black people there. George Washington Parke Custis had instructed that his slaves be freed within five years. Lee worked them every day of those five years before freeing them. He could have freed them the very first day. But he didn’t. He freed them the very last day. Slaves in the Washington Curtis plantations had long lived in families, and had de facto had their marriages recognised by their owners. Lee broke everyone of them up. He was also particularly fond of flogging slaves, and ordered his overseers to wash their backs with brine after flogging them – to inflict maximum suffering. To Lee blacks weren’t human, they where chattel. He was not fighting to defend Virginia (or certainly not fighting to solely defend Virginia). He was fighting to defend slavery. And even if he was fighting for Virginia – Virginia made it clear that they were fighting for slavery – to fight against the “oppression of the Southern slaveholding States”.

    Even Lee’s heavily touted opposition to slavery was because of the impact it had on white people, not on black people. Black people weren’t people to Lee. They didn’t matter. If slavery was good for white people and bad for black people then Lee would have supported it. His opposition came because he believed it was negative to white people.

    There were four candidates in the 1860 US Presidential Election. Lincoln, who was broadly seen as pro abolitionist at the time (though he probably wasn’t at the time), Stephen Douglas, who supported each state or territory to decide slavery, John Breckinridge, who supported the expansion of slavery into all territories, and John Bell, who was anti-succession above all other issues (his platform didn’t even mention the slavery issue).

    If Lee was simply a good American, who opposed succession, opposed slavery, but supported states rights then he would have likely voted for John Bell (who won in Virginia). Robert E. Lee however wasn’t these things. He was a violent white supremacist and he voted for the most pro-slavery person on the ballot – John Breckinridge.

    During both the Maryland and Gettysburg campaigns, Lee’s officers kidnapped free blacks and sold them into slavery. Lee did nothing to prevent this, and didn’t punish those who committed these war crimes. A system of prisoner exchanges between the Union and the Rebels collapsed because Lee refused to free black soldiers. At the Battle of the Crater, during the Siege of Petersburg, in 1984, Lee had a policy that any black soldier who had surrendered but had not yet reached the rear could be murdered. Thousands of unarmed black POWs were murdered. The surviving POWs were then paraded through Petersburg so that the people living there could abuse them.

    Lee’s violent white supremacism meant that not only did he commit treason but he commited war crimes.

    “And who helped with reconciliation after the war ended. Had he not asked the defeated southerners to be good Americans, the following decades could have been terrible.”

    And yet even that is largely a myth. While Lee did advise defeated rebels not to continue fighting, or to rise up in arms again, he opposed reconstruction. And in fact said that if the North proceded with reconstruction then the war would continue. His “reconciliation” was described by General Grant as “setting an example of forced acquiescence so grudging and pernicious in its effects as to be hardly realized”. Lee played the right face in public but did absolutely nothing else. Lee, after becoming the president of Washington College, allowed the formation of a Washington College chapter of the Ku Klux Klan, and allowed the racial harassment of black students and nearby black populations (the Washington College KKK being known at time to regularly kidnap and rape local black girls). He also counselled people never to hire free black men, and opposed black suffrage.

    To describe Robert E. Lee as a great American can only be done by ignoring huge, huge parts of history. And that, far from Patrick’s assertion, is the aim of these statues. They aren’t history. They are there to make people forget history. To describe him as a great American ignores the immense suffering for which he was personally responsible. It requires ignoring his own role as a slaveowner (and a brutal slave owner at that). It ignores that he commited treason to support the institution of slavery. It ignores the warcrimes commited by him or those following his orders. It ignores the hostility he showed to the newly freed blacks following the civil war, including allow his students to rape and murder the local black population.

    And just for a minute consider this – when considering these statues and their role. Why are there no statues to Confederate General James Longstreet, Robert E. Lee’s right hand man? There are similarly positioned Confederate Generals with memorials and statues all over the South. Why none of James Longstreet? Robert E. Lee, Braxton Bragg, J.E.B. Stuart, A.P. Hill, Stonewall Jackson, Nathan Bedford Forrest have many, many statues and memorials dedicated to them. There are more mentions and memorials to James Longstreet in the North than in the South. In fact the only statues in the south are in his home town and at the site of his death.

    If it was simply about commemorating the Confederacy, remembering the Confederacy and reflecting the history of the Confederacy, as some people like to pretend, then there would be as many statues of Longstreet as Stuart, Bragg, Hill, Jackson and Forrest. He was considered, at the time of the Civil War, to have been the third most important person to the Confederate cause – only Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee were considered higher than him. So why are there very few statues of Longstreet compared to the many statues of lesser Confederate generals?

    Because he was a Republican who embraced reconstruction. Unlike Lee, who was “grudging and pernicious” in his acceptance, Longstreet actually accepted it. And worked to make reconcillation work. And was revilled by former confederates for doing so. After the war he became the commander of all militia and state police forces within the city of New Orleans. He was wounded defending the city of New Orleans against the White Man’s League (a Klan-type organisation). So think about that. Lee allowed the Klan to thrive, Longstreet was wounded defending his city from effectively the Klan. And this statue of Lee, that was being removed, is in that city – and there are no statues of Longstreet in it.

    Because it wasn’t about remembering the Confederacy and reflecting the history of the Confederacy. It was about the Lost Cause, about Jim Crow and about neo-confederate support. And so Lee was useful to these people (because he reflected their values) and Longstreet wasn’t (because he didn’t).

  10. Interesting commentary definitely. You do present an interesting view. Yes Longstreet, Stuart, Bragg, Hill, Jackson, and Forrest do not have as many statues as Lee they do have dozens of things named after them and commemorations to them. One of our most important bases is named after a General in your list it’s the largest base in the country and the third largest in the World, there are ten active bases still named after Southern Officers.

    And while we can list all the “horrors” of the Civil War that were committed by both sides. My 2nd Favorite General of that time period would be considered a War Criminal but without him the US wouldn’t exist it would be two nations.

    This however has nothing to do with the Civil Wall.

    This is part of a systematic dismantling of American History. It is a direct attack on the identity of the nation. They started with Southern Civil War statues, but they have attacked and destroyed statues to Abolitionist heroes, as well as Lincoln, Washington and dozens of others that were men of their time but don’t meet todays PC standards.

    This is a systematic elimination of American History, we don’t teach the Founding in Schools because they are dead slave Holders and 100 other bullshit reasons that they list like you of what we consider atrocities of the time that just weren’t atrocities then.

    They are rewriting our history to push the nation into an interpretation based in PC bullshit and not fact.

    So while all the things you say about Lee are True they are still presented in a revisionist manner to purposefully paint him in the worst light possible.

    The Mayor of DC has demanded the Lincoln, Washington, and Jefferson Memorials be REMOVED from DC using the same justifications they use to remove Lee.

    So your view is wrong and twisted.

  11. “Yes Longstreet, Stuart, Bragg, Hill, Jackson, and Forrest do not have as many statues as Lee they do have dozens of things named after them and commemorations to them. One of our most important bases is named after a General in your list it’s the largest base in the country and the third largest in the World, there are ten active bases still named after Southern Officers.”

    That wasn’t my point. My point was that Longstreet doesn’t have as many statues or commemorations as Lee, Stuart, Bragg, Hill, Jackson, and Forrest.

    “They are rewriting our history to push the nation into an interpretation based in PC bullshit and not fact.”

    No they aren’t. The statues of Lee, and his other traitors, are an attempt to rewrite history based on the Lost Cause myth. Removing them and that myth is in the service of history, not an attempt to rewrite it.

    “So while all the things you say about Lee are True they are still presented in a revisionist manner to purposefully paint him in the worst light possible.”

    Facts aren’t revisionist. They are facts. If they paint him in a bad light it is because he was not a good man.

    “The Mayor of DC has demanded the Lincoln, Washington, and Jefferson Memorials be REMOVED from DC using the same justifications they use to remove Lee.”

    No he didn’t, that is just simply not true. He called for a review by the DC FACES Working Group. The review (not the Mayor) called for context to be added to the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial, and didn’t even mention the Lincoln Memorial.

    Can you try to advance an argument without making shit up?

  12. Lee was the Commander of all the Confederate forces. He was the symbol of the Southern cause more than Davis, more than anyone. That would be one reason why there are more statues of him than there are of others.

    I think that it is hugely wrong and wildly revisionist to call Lee a traitor. Lincoln and Grant ( you know, the guys who defeated Lee ) never said anything close to that. They spoke of him with respect. Lincoln asked the federal band to play ” Dixie ” at the moment that the war ended.

    Lee saw himself as a citizen of Virginia more than he saw himself a citizen of the United States. He fought for the wrong cause, had his own serious moral flaws, but he was no traitor, any more than the Irish rebels throughout history were ” traitors ” to England / Britain.

  13. “I think that it is hugely wrong and wildly revisionist to call Lee a traitor. Lincoln and Grant ( you know, the guys who defeated Lee ) never said anything close to that.”

    General John C. Breckinridge, General Robert E. Lee, General Joseph E. Johnston, General John B. Magruder, General William Preston, General Simon B. Buckner, and Commodore Franklin Buchanan, now occupying the very highest places in the rebel war service, were all within the power of the Government since the rebellion began and were nearly as well known to be traitors then as now.
    A. Lincoln, June 12, 1863

    “He fought for the wrong cause, had his own serious moral flaws, but he was no traitor, any more than the Irish rebels throughout history were ” traitors ” to England / Britain.”

    Irish people, certainly those who fought against the British, didn’t consider themselves British. Lee, while considering himself more Virginian than American, was still an American who swore an oath to protect the constitution. He is every definition of a traitor.

  14. first off the Mayor of DC is a Woman and you have no clue what the hell your talking about.

    A task force formed by Washington, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser has called for dozens of landmarks in the nation’s capital to be “removed, renamed or contextualized” over ties to slavery or racism — among them the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial.

    “Our decision-making prism focused on key disqualifying histories, including participation in slavery, systemic racism, mistreatment of, or actions that suppressed equality for, persons of color, women and LGBTQ communities and violation of the DC Human Right Act,” read the 24-page report issued Tuesday by the District of Columbia Facilities and Commemorative Expressions group, or DC FACES.

    Aided by the input of thousands of DC residents, the panel scoured everything from monuments to public schools to playgrounds to street and neighborhood names for potentially problematic pasts.

    2nd when you list ONLY the bad things about a person like Lee while eliminating everything else that is revisionist history.

    You are good at research Seamus, but you still have no clue about what you’re talking about.

  15. Yes you turned “removed, renamed or contextualized” into just “removed”. Now either you didn’t understand the difference or did but it ruined your argument so you dishonesty changed it.

  16. The Scotland born James Connolly had served in the British Army and had presumably taken an oath to Britain or the Queen/King when he entered the service.

    So by your standards here , he would clearly be a traitor.

    I certainly imagine that there were other Irish rebel fighters who had served in the British military or in British police forces at one time.

    They weren’t traitors, and neither was Lee. They all fought for what they saw as their state, for their nation, for their neighbor, against a wealthier and stronger ” empire “.

    I’m sure that there were some Algerians who fought for independence from France who had served in the French military before, who had swore allegiance to France. I won’t call any such people traitors.

    Good catch on that quote, though.

  17. SHELBY FOOTE:

    Before the war, it was said “the United States are.” Grammatically, it was spoken that way and thought of as a collection of independent states. And after the war, it was always “the United States is,” as we say to day without being self-conscious at all. And that’s sums up what the war accomplished. It made us an “is.”

    Shelby Foote was the author of a good three volume history of the Civil War. He spoke a number of times in Ken Burns’ ” The Civil War ” 11 hour documentary series on public broadcasting.

  18. nonsense Seamus you have no clue, you didn’t even know the Mayor was a woman.

    I read the comments you and others on that side of the pond make about events here in the US and I laugh you are totally wrong and totally naïve.

  19. Mississippi native Shelby Foote wrote and spoke so beautifully.

    I would recommend his books and that PBS series highly.

  20. Thanks for that Seamus.
    I didn’t know much about Robert E. Lee, but you’ve certainly educated me with your informative post. Cheers.

  21. as long as they don’t replace the statue with one of The Trunk in exchange for his agreeing to leave the WH I’m ok with whatever they do ..
    It won’t be moscow mitch up there as DJT is busy enacting revenge on him too.. quelle suprise!

    Trump is now sending out weird conspiratorial graphics to Republican Senators with the aim of turning them against Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, according to a surreal new report from Axios. Trump is presumably trying to get revenge against McConnell for having dared to publicly acknowledge that Joe Biden won the election.

  22. Everything is revenge for this pathetic excuse for a man. He spends his last month on revenge, instead of on the country’s problems.

    The exact opposite temperament of a Churchill, Mandela , FDR.

  23. the countries problem is we have a tyrannical group of individuals that rigged the voting system and destroyed the republic because they know what’s best for us and people like you are accepting it because of your hate for a man.

    While you cheer an jeer the nation collapses into Tyranny….. but that’s ok Trump is gone.

  24. The founding fathers rigged the system with the electoral college.

    But there is zero evidence of significant voter fraud in 2020, and an army of ethical state, local and federal judges and elected officials of all stripes have said that

    The only one saying otherwise is the pathetic excuse for a president and a dwindling number of sheep who believe anything that he says.

  25. Phantom the voting machines were rigged, and they stuffed the mail in ballots.

    Now you can deny that till you die. but half the country believes that’s what happened and whether you like it or not that is going to have consequences.

  26. Some people believe in what the liar leader has stuffed in their heads.

    Doesn’t make it true.

    The consequences ultimately may be the implosion of the Republican Party and Democratic rule for fifty years, because you guys chose an undisciplined and unprincipled crackhead to be your leader.

  27. yeah for the undiscplined belief = truth
    well it isn’t, arguements are tested in court and Trump lost 50 cases
    Bill Barr has conformed no extensive fraud, electoral have certified

    still Trump and his dummies continue :

    Trump turns on everyone

    The latest: Targets of his outrage include Vice President Pence, chief of staff Mark Meadows, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, Secretary of State Pompeo and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    Why it matters: Trump thinks everyone around him is weak, stupid or disloyal — and increasingly seeks comfort only in people who egg him on to overturn the election results. We cannot stress enough how unnerved Trump officials are by the conversations unfolding inside the White House.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-white-house-conspiracy-theories-d95450a4-c7a3-4579-a568-0473b18529c9.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter

  28. “but half the country believes that’s what happened and whether you like it or not that is going to have consequences.”

    It is a serious problem that half the country believes something based on the inane nonsense spouted by a sore loser repeated by the crazy echo chamber.

  29. People used to believe that the world was flat, Pat.

    Did that make it true?

    You’ve been completely deceived by someone who has never had your interests in mind.

  30. now trunk is truly barrel scrapping he has the monkeys jim jordan and matt gaetz , both total jerks and lightweights over at the WH trying to cook up another drug deal
    actually thought he’s face reality after the 14th Dec certification
    but this bozo is taking everyone down with him .
    Lunatic complete nutter ..

  31. Phantom,

    People used to believe that the world was flat, Pat.

    You’re treading on dangerous ground with that one Phantom. 😁

  32. all the ballots wee paper counted twice in swing states
    can’t be machines or anything, they’re legit
    some folks just continue a war with reality
    not a smart idea is it ..

  33. The only things worth talking about at this point on this is

    how did we wind up with a president so dishonest and or out of touch as to seek to deceive so often, to seek to tear the country apart at all times as no other president has ever done

    how is an element of the public so utterly naive as to believe any such story, without any evidence at all to back any of it up. This is a lot of Republicans. Not all of them. No, it isn’t.

  34. Look at what Phantom writes, look at what he says.

    If you don’t agree with his point of view you’re an asshole and an idiot… nonstop You see it my way and fuck you.

    Phantom is echoing what is being screamed at to over 75 million people. You’re wrong, there was no fraud, you’re just a stupid inbred bewitched and fooled by Russian Puppet Trump.

    Now unlike the Left the Right does not Riot, Loot, and Burn. Instead they are trying every LEGAL manner the Law and the Constitution provides to redress a grievance.

    For this the MSM and all the little Phantoms in the country are attacking us, insulting us belittling us, and generally telling us sit down shut up and Fuck You this is the way it is we don’t care what you think or believe.

    It’s a fine thing to do, it’s an American Right to do so.

    There will also be consequences plain and simple.

    And that is not a threat of violence.

  35. true, hard to say
    the great delusion, the imposter, the man of sin, the deceptive one , he’s a damn good con man
    grifted all his life, has charismatic power, add to that apostle James idea that we are only deceived out of the deceptive nature of our own hearts.
    ~add that all up ~ millions are fooled, but in addition they actually want to be fooled
    Its preferable to reality for them as reality sucks being a base republican , look at pat ..lol ..

  36. The governor didn’t write any legislation

    He signed a bill that had been passed by the state Senate and Assembly

  37. The countries problem is we have a tyrannical group of individuals that rigged the voting system and destroyed the republic […]

    The voting machines were rigged, and they stuffed the mail in ballots.

    Baseless, untrue conspiracy balls.

    Your guy lost fair & square. Get over it.

  38. This type of conspiracy nonsense is all over social media.

    Pat’s comment above contains three huge errors

    That there is a tyranny

    That the voting machines were rigged

    That there was ballot stuffing

    Not saying there was zero fraud. There is never no fraud, probably never even no fraud in Switzerland or Finland. But there was no significant fraud in this past US election. No matter what Alex Jones or Sidney Powell or the Apprentice tells the ever obedient sheeple.

  39. Yes, no doubt there was a level of fraud, (on both sides), as there is in all elections. The sour grapes crowd are trying to exaggerate it into a conspiracy.

  40. Patrick speaks from a position of no knowledge based on what has been told to him by liars, including from corrupt lawyers ( Powell, Giuliani ) who say one thing to the mob that they have never said in court in front of a judge.

    Because you get in a lot of trouble if you lie to a judge.

  41. I’m not saying there wasn’t some small-scale fraud, as there is in most elections. We have it here in the UK also.
    But I see no evidence of fraud on a massive scale in the US election, and I certainly see no evidence that the voting machines where rigged.

  42. Where Phantom speaks from unequaled knowledge of everything. He after all is a NYr and not only KNOWS ALL, but it was also told to him by Truth tellers Like Cuomo, Biden, DE Blasio, Pelosi, Schumer, and his true Spiritual Guide AOC. oh and mornin Joe….. lol

  43. The evidence is overwhelming, the fact that the constitution was violated in 5 states is undeniable, the fact that over 70 million people believe that is also undeniable.

    Now you can call half the country stupid, wrong, inbred, etc etc etc, but it’s still 70 million people….. just be grateful that those 70 million are all Law Abiding Citizens because they are the 70 million that are in possession of the 400 MILLION legally owned Firearms in the country.

    If we were the people that you all support Antifa/BLM there would be a lot of dead people, but unlike the animal Brownshirts Antifa/BLM of the Democrat party we will only use violence as a defense and last resort when PERSONALLY threatened.

    Instead we are using the Law and the Constitution to Redress our Grievances, for this we are attacked while you cheered the looting and violence of the Democrats you condemn the right for peacefully using The Law.

    Unlike the Democrats we will not burn our cities and loot businesses if we lose, but we will react in ways yet unseen.

    On January 6 there will be a certification in Congress. (that is when Biden/Trump becomes President Elect, not before) There will be objections to the certification. For each objection there is a two hour debate. If this continues which is the goal until noon on the 18th the Election is then thrown to the House to Elect the President. Each State gets one and only one Vote and then the Senate picks the Vice President.

    That is The Law.

  44. The evidence is overwhelming, the fact that the constitution was violated in 5 states is undeniable, the fact that over 70 million people believe that is also undeniable.

    The evidence is so overwhelming that every court ,including the Supreme Court rejected it out of hand.

    The Constitution was not violated in any State. Only when the Supreme Court rules otherwise can that claim be stated as a FACT.

    70 Million voted for Trump. That does not mean they ALL think the election was rigged.

    they are the 70 million that are in possession of the 400 MILLION legally owned Firearms in the country.

    Are you saying that ever legal gun in the country is only owned by Trump supporters ? How could you possibly know that Patrick ?

  45. Always, the thinly veiled threat.

    And he has personally interviewed 70 million persons since Election Day, a marvelous feat.

  46. “For each objection there is a two hour debate. If this continues which is the goal until noon on the 18th the Election is then thrown to the House to Elect the President.”

    Where does it say that if the verification process isn’t completed by the 18th then it goes to the House of Representatives?

  47. Patrick wants to over-rule and disrespect the rights of the voters of Pennsylvania, at the command of a New York socialite.

    For shame.

  48. I predict The January 6th certification will go ahead smoothly with just minor grumbles from a handful of die hard Trump supporters in the House and Senate. There will be no delay to the votes and ratification.

  49. McConnell is not my favorite person but he will crack the whip hard, especially if the Alabama football coach jerk tries to pull something.

    He has many tools at his disposal.

  50. The evidence is overwhelming, the fact that the constitution was violated in 5 states is undeniable.

    Both claims are made up, fabricated balls.

    The fact that over 70 million people believe that is also undeniable.

    70 million people may believe it, unless it’s true it means nothing.

    Your guy lost fair & square. Get over it.

    While you cheered the looting and violence of the Democrats

    Who here specifically cheered looting and violence? Or is that another untruth?

  51. You can play your head up your ass game that no fraud was committed there are a lot of other short bussers that buy that lie, but the fact that the Constitution was violated in 5 States can’t be denied.

    The Constitution states that ONLY the State Legislators can change voting Law in 5 States it was changed by the Court, a Governor or by faceless bureaucrats. That is an undeniable violation of the Constitution.

    Now the Democrats and none of you care about the Law, especially the Constitution, but over 70 Million people do care about that pesky old document.

    Let me address something here I will state this again even though you all have proven that you are totally clueless…

    Yes Colm the majority of the over 400 million LEGAL Firearms are owned by those who would vote Republican and blue collar Democrats especially the democrats in the coal industry and construction the ones who all helped him win the first election not the ones that looted and burned our cities.

    Phantom called it an implied threat…. it is not. It is a statement of Fact. We are all heavily armed, but where the loss of an election even under these circumstances we would never raise a call to Arms.

    The Biden Administration has explicitly said on multiple occasions that they are going after the 2nd Amendment, they are already eliminating the First Amendment. The facts are the facts if they make us criminals and try to seize our guns as Kamala has said on numerous occasions along with Biden and the majority of who he has picked for his cabinet. There will be bloodshed.

    That is a fact, a fact the left wants to ignore, and freaks them out when they are reminded.

    A stolen election will not cause violence from the right, an attack on the second amendment is a different story.

    They locked our church doors, they have censored our speech, strike three will be when they come for our Guns.

  52. You can play your head up your ass game that no fraud was committed

    *sigh

    Yes, no doubt there was a level of fraud, (on both sides), as there is in all elections. The sour grapes crowd are trying to exaggerate it into a conspiracy.

    A stolen election will not cause violence from the right

    There was no ‘stolen election’ your guy lost fair and square.

    But over 70 Million people do care about that pesky old document.

    Are they the same alleged 70 million that are allegedly swallowing the balls you gauys are peddling?

  53. The Biden Administration has explicitly said on multiple occasions that they are going after the 2nd Amendment

    Well, thank you for your public acknowledgement that Biden won the election,

    Well done.

  54. “The Constitution states that ONLY the State Legislators can change voting Law in 5 States it was changed by the Court, a Governor or by faceless bureaucrats. That is an undeniable violation of the Constitution.”

    No it isn’t.

    The state legislatures in every state are subject to the constitution of that state. So while only the state legislatures can determine the method of choosing electors of President (it is simply not true and undeniably stupid to say only the state legislature can change voting law) the actions of the state legislature are bound by their own state constitutions. And if, in their role in determining the method of choosing electors, the state legislature acts in a manner that breaks their state constitution then it is well within the rights of the state courts to rectify that matter.

    “That is a fact, a fact the left wants to ignore, and freaks them out when they are reminded.”

    Yes frequent calls to terrorism do tend to concern people. Strange that.

    “You can play your head up your ass game that no fraud was committed there are a lot of other short bussers that buy that lie, but the fact that the Constitution was violated in 5 States can’t be denied.”

    If you had any evidence of fraud you would have presented it. You have not done so. That is telling.

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