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Today in the U.S. is a Special day it’s unofficially the beginning of Summer and Schools are starting to wrap up to let the kiddies out to play for a couple of months.

This day however holds it’s significance for what we have set it aside to acknowledge. On Memorial Day we Honor all Americans who have died while in the military service.  Those men and women who have given the ultimate sacrifice serving our nation.

This day was started after the Civil War as Decoration Day.  We give thanks and prayers to our fallen one and all. I ask you to join me.

 

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36 thoughts on “Memorial Day

  1. Certainly will join you Trollio, and all Americans of goodwill who know that freedom isn’t free; it costs.
    We can carp and argue and call each other names, but we can only do so because brave and dedicated men and women believed in the American ideal and laid down their lives for OUR freedom as much as their own.
    You may remember too that many months ago I said that I would be happy to share a foxhole with you, because however ott your views, however much we may disagree on some issues, I know that you would cover my back as much as I would happily cover yours.

    Here’s a little tribute that has been on my computer three years or so…
    Enjoy and feel very proud old buddy,

  2. ” .. and laid down their lives for OUR freedom as much as their own.”

    Of course they don’t. If the military defended our liberties they’d march on Westminster and Washington.

  3. Most Americans and British people have no time for treason.

    Sorry to burst your bubble Pete.

    To the chowderheads here- told you that he had as much respect for uniformed military as he had for uninformed police -zero. Listen, and learn, grasshopper.

  4. Pete,
    without American power and commitment to freedom, western Europe would be singing from either the Nazi or Soviet campfire songbook..
    Most sensible people know that, you like Yosemite Sam are agin it.

    Subs,
    What’s your beef now? You don’t make me sick, honestly.

  5. Troll, are there any circumstances in which you feel you could criticise the US Military machine and / or it’s personell?

  6. Phantom –

    Treason against what? No-one swears an oath to politicians. In your case, all the treason is by the Washington crew against the constitution.

    The Declaration of Independence famously describes the solution.

  7. Paul,
    What’s wrong with being proud of the military?
    Did you watch the Honour Guard?
    Fantastic precision.
    I think there’s a difference between supporting the military and being critical of what they are asked to do..

  8. I haven’t played the video. Is it as cheesy as I fear?

    Pete – it’s a shocker. It shows how wonderful it can be to die for US-military Inc. This guy knew exactly what it meant:

    “I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil intersts in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.”

  9. Subs,
    Everything that armies do is shot through with chaos, failure, bravery, cowardice and cruelty.
    The point is that some forces are more disciplined than others, and some commanders are sometimes out of control or disturbed. You try to stop it to weed it out, and you hope that all failures of integrity and honour are dealt with properly.
    No one would or should pretend that we in the West are always the most ethical.
    Didn’t you sometimes encounter examples of cruelty and bullying in the chain of command Subs, during your time?

  10. What’s wrong with being proud of the military?

    That’s not the question I asked Agi but, to answer it, some of the things that Subby mentions above whereas in a more loacalised personal context (for me) This:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymurphy_Massacre

    Along with other things.

    Great to see you back around these parts Subby. Hope you stick around.

  11. Paul,
    this isn’t about what the British paras did or didn’t do.
    It’s about the US military and Memorial Day and saluting the fallen.

    It’s so easy to criticise the actions of people under stress in war or unrest, but this is about remembering and being grateful.

  12. “It shows how wonderful it can be to die for US-military Inc.”

    Ah yes.

    “Hey junior, sorry your pop got killed. Have this folded flag instead.”

  13. Agi, you asked me;

    ‘What’s wrong with being proud of the military?’

    And I answered.

    If you are pecifically referring to US Military history here are some other reasons;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

    That was the context in which I aske my original;

    ‘Are there any circumstances in which you feel you could criticise the US Military machine and / or it’s personell?’

  14. Pete,
    Some of your departed relatives will have done the same thing. Laid down their lives in service of their country and defence of what they held dear.
    I wonder how they would respond to your views.

  15. Troll – does your memorial extend to Pat Tillman? Here are the thoughts of his soldier brother Kevin who didn’t get three of Uncle Sam’s bullets in his forehead:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2633793

    “Somehow, the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country. Somehow, this is tolerated. Somehow, nobody is accountable for this.”

    I’ve put this through a link to a ‘mainstream’ publication so that Troll, Phantom et al will believe it’s true because, after all, if it’s not US-corporate, it’s ‘conspiracy theory’. So here’s what else was written:

    Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

    Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

    Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

    Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

    Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

    Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

    Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

    Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

    Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

    Somehow torture is tolerated.

    Somehow lying is tolerated.

    Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

    Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

    Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

    Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

    Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

    Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

    Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

    Is Kevin Tillman a ‘traitor’ or ‘threat’?

  16. Pete,
    Some of your departed relatives will have done the same thing. Laid down their lives in service of their country and defence of what they held dear.
    I wonder how they would respond to your views.

    So, is this no longer only about the US Military?

  17. Paul,
    may I ask if you are a pacifist? Do you believe we shouldn’t have military capabilities because it’s wrong, or because people are so fallible they can’t be trusted to attack or defend?

  18. Agit8ed –

    What people do, and what they think they do, are not necessarily the same things.

    And let’s not equate signing up when the Lufwaffe is bombing us, or when there’s a million Heer troops 22 miles away across the Channel, with anything going on today.

    You might say that islamic terrorism must be fought. In which case I’d suggest you ask first why the ruling elite is still allowing muslims to flood into our country, and why it always does the bidding of Wahhabist Saudi Arabia.

  19. “So, is this no longer only about the US Military?”

    No, that’s in response to Pete’s criticism/observations of the US military.

  20. “You might say that islamic terrorism must be fought. In which case I’d suggest you ask first why the ruling elite is still allowing muslims to flood into our country, and why it always does the bidding of Wahhabist Saudi Arabia.”

    No argument from me on that either Pete.
    But men and women in the services act under orders from governments. If they didn’t countries would be paralysed. We have to look at political leadership, not so much men under arms, though accountability and discipline still applies.

  21. Pete, Sub62 – indeed so, but I want to see what the response to Tillman’s piece is from the warmongers on this site. There is, to my mind, no decent response.

  22. Of course I’m not a pacifist.

    My original question was ? are there any circumstances in which you feel you could criticise the US Military machine and / or it’s personell?’

    Do you believe we shouldn’t have military capabilities

    If it’s still about the US Military why are you using ‘we’?

  23. Paul,
    It’s actually about Memorial Day, but you brought Ballymurphy into it, so as an aside I wondered whether or not you are a pacifist.

  24. No, I’m not a pacifist.

    I asked the question if there were any circumstances in which Troll could criticise the US Military machine / personell.

    You asked ‘What’s wrong with being proud of the military?’ (Which had no relation to the question I asked)

    And I answered giving the Submariners comments as an example and Ballymurphy as a localised personal example of ‘what’s wrong with being proud of the military’

  25. “You asked ‘What’s wrong with being proud of the military?’ (Which had no relation to the question I asked)”
    Well actually it does, as (I think) you were implying that the Troll’s loyalty was blind.
    If he wanted to acknowledge the failings of the US military he could have mentioned it and invited comments.
    But he didn’t.
    He wanted to honour the memory and service of US military personnel.

    Wanna argue?

  26. (I think) you were implying that the Troll’s loyalty was blind

    I wasn’t implying anything, I was asking a question in order to develop a conversation.

    If he wanted to acknowledge the failings of the US military he could have mentioned it and invited comments.
    But he didn’t.
    He wanted to honour the memory and service of US military personnel

    Are you now Troll’s spokesman?

  27. “Are you now Troll’s spokesman?”

    No.
    I’m just second guessing.

    Anyway, I’m off to bed now.
    Too much activity
    Too much sun
    I’m an old man, you know. 🙂

  28. I’m not a drone when it comes to military and police support. But from a cultural perspective, we pay tribute to our military dead on this day. We’ve all seen Tillman’s poem/statement and it strikes some of us more than others…today, I remember my grandfather…as I do most days…but today, most days. I hope I make him happy.

  29. mairin2

    “today, I remember my grandfather…as I do most days…but today, most days. I hope I make him happy.”

    That is a lovely sentiment and very well put.

  30. On this day in 1830 U.S. President Andrew Jackson signed ‘The Indian Removal Act’ authorizing the removal of all Native American tribes east of the Mississippi. This became known as The Trail of Tears.

  31. The above comments from a large group of of you are the same lines being spewed by the Muslim Extremists.

    I personally find people like Subboy and the rest of you offensive and more the reason the world is in the state that it is in than anything else.

    It is people like you that are worse than the terrorists. The terrorists at least believe they have cause for their hate. You don’t. You just agree with the terrorists.

    The fact that you wore the uniform of your country at one time subboy only adds to the disgrace that you have become.

    This post was put up to honor the dead, to give thanks for those that gave their lives in the name of my country and yours.

    You scum couldn’t even give them a nod, you piss on their graves and memories and feel that you stand for something.

    Those that died in your name to defend your future you proudly spit on.

    Feel proud of the sentiments that you have shared here, they will exist forever.

    You are all such men of honor.

    Colm laughs sarcastically that I consider myself better than you. Your words prove that to be fact.

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