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When I hear the calls for retribution for the murder of a photographer in Iraq/Syria, when I read of the ‘hostages’ held by this group of psychopaths calling themselves ‘Islamic State’, I am certain of only one thing; these people, the hostages, the murdered man, they all brought their fate upon themselves.

Whatever their reasons, which range from ““Can you change your daughter, who has these values and has strong ideals about solidarity and human empathy?” or “I go to help the sick and injured” or “I report upon disaster” or any other of the silly and self-serving reasons which placed them in grave danger; they simply cannot state thet they were not warned. For whatever reason, they all went into the deadliest place, at least for Westerners, and they all got caught, or abducted or whatever. It serves them right for thinking that they knew better than anyone.

I am reminded of Alan Johnston, the ‘reporter’ and firm friend of all things Palestinian, who was kidnapped by those same Pallies, and only released because they were afraid he might actually bore them to death with his voice.

It is all very well saying ‘These actions, by these murderous men, are against civilised behaviour’, when everyone accepts that most of these terrorists, and probably all of their supporters, don’t accept Western values or behaviour at all. They think us decadent, they think us immoral, they think us foolish. So why even bother to help, when the helpers will no doubt be treated the same as they do to their other enemies and captives.

It is all very well for Lord Dannatt, he of the smart uniform and totally-closed mind, to state that British soldiers should go and fight in that sandy shit-hole; but I notice that he wasn’t volunteering his services.

As I stated before, they brought their fate upon themselves, and not a single bullet, nor a gallon of fuel, nor a drop of blood should be spilled by America or the United Kingdom to rescue the fools who knowingly went into Bedlam!


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30 thoughts on “My opinion, they are just plain stupid!

  1. They, (UK and US Governments) have been looking for an excuse, any excuse, to get involved in Syria. They really do not care about some idiot who decided to put his life on the line. He’s just a useful excuse.

    They will bang on about this, and how important it is to to ‘go after’ and get IS. By go after, they mean enter Syria and involve themselves. Not with boots on the ground, but with the use of air strikes.

    The mission, as it has always been – Get Assad !

    I hope they fail.

  2. Mike that took brass ones, and you are right. These people stepped into the fire on their own. The thing is I disagree with you on the fact that they should not be rescued if possible.

    If a child stepped into the street and a bus was coming would you stand there and watch? I couldn’t.

    Mark ah just what the site needs another one…..
    Pay attention to the events of the last 6 years. Your evaluation of what the US government wants is based on what?

    Other than just spewing your hate of the US why not provide us your reasoning why this is all about Assad. Cite something, anything to back up how you reached your conclusion.

  3. Mike I think you are underestimating the integrity and courage of correspondents and journalists like Foley who have a vocation to present to the public the facts on the ground so that we do not have to rely on government narratives, especially in authoritarian places like the Middle East. It is no wonder that journalists are targeted by dictators and terrorists. The free press is one of the greatest forces against oppression and is advanced by brave men and women who have put their lives at risk to get the facts out to the World at large. Foley follows in the tradition of those who published newspapers under Nazis or communist occupation, who told the facts about Vietnam instead of the Pentagon fantasy, and who expose the truth despite danger and intimidation and even death.

  4. You spoke of ” the events of the last 6. Years ”

    You only criticize Obama’s record and not that of GWB. You know, the guy who got us into Iraq and under whose watch we had. The near financial meltdown

    Such a selective view can get you nowhere

  5. Mahons: “Mike I think you are underestimating the integrity and courage of correspondents and journalists like Foley who have a vocation to present to the public the facts on the ground so that we do not have to rely on government narratives, especially in authoritarian places like the Middle East. It is no wonder that journalists are targeted by dictators and terrorists.”

    Absolutely correct. Mike would soil his shorts if he took even a fraction of the risks Foley did.

  6. Mahons is exactly right.
    Foley was following in the footsteps of war correspondents like veteran film director George Stevens who followed the US army up the Normandy beaches in 1944, putting his own life on the line; and then onward to the Dachau concentration camps. He survived the war.

    Foley, a committed Roman Catholic, never lost hope, or his Faith, in the final days of his captivity and death.

    RIP — a good and generous man to the end.

  7. Phantom no you see what you want. The war on terror has been conducted completely different over the past 6 years.

    Bush didn’t start the war, but his leadership of it was far better than Obama’s. To deny that is deny the facts.

    If you want to pigeon hole all criticism into the category that it’s because I don’t like Obama you’re in denial of the situation. Show me the progress that has been made in the last 6 years. Show me the stability. Where are things better?

    If you can’t, than maybe you need to reevaluate what your using to judge other peoples criticism of the situation.

  8. Obama committed more troops to Iraq and then left at the timeframe est by GWB in 2008

    That can never be denied

    Obama owns this pig but so does the guy who started the war – GWB- and Blair too.

  9. Note that this very recent history is being rewritten by those who think the blame is always with others and never any fault with themselves

    Iraq was a huge error. There is little doubt anymore

    And Bush loudly spoke for ” democracy ” in an Arab world and against ” dictators ”

    Well the dictators are looking very good right now in that part of the world

  10. that can be denied and proven inaccurate. You have just committed to that line of thinking and refuse to see another point of view. Bush and Blair did not start anything, unless you are now a subscriber to allan, pete, and harri’s philosophy. You may not like the direction they took it in, but to say they started it is again just factually wrong.

    Iraq was a nation that supported terror, it is strategically situated to launch offenses at the targets we need to hit.

    You want to blame Bush for Obama’s handling of Iraq you are just an echo chamber of a position and not honest in your evaluation of each of the two Presidents mistakes.

    Even following what you believe that the handling of Iraq during the past 6yrs was all Bush’s design, fine war is fluid. What has Obama done to stabilize Bush’s mistakes?

  11. The invasion of Iraq was a huge error in. Retrospect

    This is no longer in serious dispute except by guys like Cheney trying to protect his legacy

  12. Foley was a brave man who met a sad end.

    The question of “who is to blame for ISIS?” is pretty circular.

    One could argue that Bush/Blair are to blame for the Iraqi end of it for overthrowing the order maintained by Saddam (who was no threat to the West but was horrendous to his own people). Conversely, one could argue that Obama is to blame for the Syrian end of it for his half-measures in not fully opposing Assad and allowing extremists to hijack the rebel movement there.

    Whoever is to blame, something needs to be done about it now. The question is: what?

  13. The Arab Spring is to blame for Isis

    Syrians and Iraqis are to blame for Isis

    Syria has a tradition of movements like this

    Hafez Assad destroyed them

    But then we decided ” dictators are bad ”

    Well this is what spring is like in the Arab world

  14. Phantom,

    A perfect case of “damned if you do (overthrow the dictator i.e. Iraq); damned if you don’t (overthrow the dictator i.e. Syria)”.

  15. Petr Tarasov, on August 22nd, 2014 at 6:30 PM Said:

    Harri — Saudi beheads 19 people in 17 days, one for sorcery. Why does IS have to be stopped but not Saudi Arabia?

    Oil according to a certain indivdual here. Iraq has oil too.

    The whole of the ME appears to be crammed with barbarians.

    By the way, just how many IS are there?

    They have achieved more in a shorter time than the whole of the might of the coalition forces, are we being led to believe that IS were massing on the borders somewhere, and no-one spotted it.

    This all smells to high heaven.

  16. Colm

    Mission creep. If they can accuse Assad of all manner of things, they will not lose a good opportunity. Think Libya, think Gaddafi. It just started out to protect people in the East of the country. Soon, Gaddafi was deposed.


    I do not know what you mean by ‘another one’ – but thanks all the same. kiss kiss.

    Hate the US. I think you will find I include my own country as well mate. And as for Yanks, they are a bit loud, but I do actually like them. So I do not know where you got that idea from, young man ?

    Just because I choose to have a view that lives outside your comfort zone does not necessarily make me wrong.

    I do not know where you have been for last +25 years, but the UK and the US have been fighting quite a few blood wars, and for what ??? And quite frankly, I have had bloody enough !

    I do not care about MENA.

  17. No surprise, but I completely agree with Mahons on this one.

    I much prefer a free, brave press corp willing to put themselves in harms way in order to give us at least some version of the truth other than standard government talking points.

    Mike, I think you’re rather harsh in this case. I might possibly agree if you were citing idealistic voluntary aid workers, but even then, those selfless souls deserve our sympathy when ruthless butchers cut short their heartfelt and very necessary humanitarian work.

  18. Mark it doesn’t matter if you care about the middle east and north africa that region and the events effecting it have influence on the entire world. My comment “another one” is directed at your tone towards the US and British governments being responsible or having blame in the events of the last 13yrs. It’s a naive view that you won’t find yourself alone with hanging around here. I scoff at it because I believe it to be wrong.

    Phantom as I said your opinion on Iraq is just that your opinion and an echo of a position held by a segment of our population. You Blame Bush and the terrorists, yet not a word of criticism for the current President. The U.S. fed the Arab Spring, the current foreign policy of the US is a mess. We are feeding Intel now to Assad for Christs sake, and are floating trial balloons for joint operations. That is lunacy, plain and simple.

    You can blast Bush on all you want, some of it I would agree with you on, it is however your lack of criticism of Obama and his administrations handling of the past 6 years that shows a deep insincerity in your view or a total ignorance. I know you not to be a stupid man, so I just accept that you are insincere.

  19. Bush called for ” democracy ” in the Arab world and he actually continued to do so after Hamas won in Gaza. He, like many, failed to realize that democracy does not thrive in such barren cultural soil, where there is zero tradition of ” live and let live ”

    I am only making the uncomfortable ( for you and other GWB Republicans ) point that Obama had continued the GWB policy in Iraq and actually committed more troops to that area, before withdrawing on the GWB timeline. There is no debate on that.

    Obama also sharply increased drone strikes, something that many liberals and lefties and lots of Pakistanis Yemenis and other foreigners do not like.

    Obama inherited a very bad military and economic hand from your man Bush, a much worse set of conditions than GWB inherited from President Clinton – buy you guys can never admit that.

    I criticize Obama at times and I praise him at times. You criticize him all the time.

    Well have fun with that.

  20. As I said I disagree with you on several points.

    I am only making the uncomfortable ( for you and other GWB Republicans ) point that Obama had continued the GWB policy in Iraq and actually committed more troops to that area, before withdrawing on the GWB timeline. There is no debate on that.

    The only part of that, that is true is he committed more troops. I’ll give him the credit for that, where if you follow what you’ve been saying that he was only following Bush’s plans than you should give credit to Bush for those troops, or are you cherry picking? That’s what it looks like.

    As for this GWB Republican stuff it’s crap. I have said repeatedly that the only thing that I thought Bush did right was the War. As for the economy a President gets the credit or the blame it is however the Congress that effects the economy NOT the President. This is something else that I have said repeatedly that you just don’t seem to hear.

    You somehow got a narrative in your head of me that is your creation and your creation alone.

    You have convinced yourself that I believe things that I don’t, just as you have convinced yourself about the Tea Party and a variety of radio talk show people. Your views on me and the other things are your self conceived versions of these things. They are not based on things that I have said, or on first hand knowledge regarding the others. There is a saying used by recovering people, one that you should take to heart. “What is your source of information?”. That is the question I would ask of you, and one that you should constantly ask yourself. You do a lot of “assuming”.

    My criticism of Obama is he is a Communist, and an Academic. His failures are a combination of his on lack of experience in anything other than theory and a co-opted congress that has been under the control of Communists and Bolsheviks since 08.

    Although the failure of our Military Position and our Foreign Policy is Obama’s and his Alone. Those two area’s are the complete domain of any President during HIS TERM. They don’t belong to the President before or any other person or group in our government. Those are HIS job. He has failed miserably at both.

  21. this line should read as follows:

    His failures are a combination of his own lack of experience

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