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This is exactly what makes enemies and induces blowback.

You’ve probably heard that more British and American soldiers have fallen in the last few days when supposed Afghan allies turned on them. NATO would like us to think that crappy little film might be to blame. I’d suggest that killing eight women and wounding seven more when they go out to gather firewood is more than likely to do that.

Would you be “radicalised” if your wife or mother or daughter was obliterated by foreign bombs? I would be, and I’d do anything I could to get revenge.

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50 thoughts on “NATO KILLS EIGHT AFGHAN WOMEN IN AIRSTRIKE

  1. Pete we wouldn’t be there if the Saudis that attacked us 11 years ago didn’t use it as a base.

  2. here is a better story

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  3. Troll –

    You recently closed a thread because, apparently, comments went off topic. You can post about GM if you wish to discuss it.

    The Saudis and others who used Afghanistan as a base are dead or in a cell. Why is NATO still dropping bombs on people years later? Would you be radicalised if it was done to your family? I think you would be.

  4. Here is a better story

    I’d imagine that if your wife / mother / sister / daughter had been vapourised by some fella two miles above in the air that wouldn’t really matter to you.

  5. The women weren’t the target. I could have said what I felt and what was said about other deaths…

    Point taken about changing topics though fair is fair. So I ask, Pete what is the point of the post?

    Explain your bottom line, the soldiers American and British were killed before this event. Did the shooters have precognition?

    Is your point that our nations should never have gone into Afghanistan?

  6. Paul – is it not some spotty youth 8,000 miles away who operates the drone? Btw, the drone operators are being given service medals – how brave they are.

  7. I assumed it was an aircraft strike but if it was a drone Allan then it makes it even more cowardly.

    The women weren’t the target

    That sounds eerily like something I’ve heard before closer to home. Okay, that makes it all better then.

  8. Troll –

    Our forces have been killing innocents in Afghanistan for years. I’d suggest that it has led to blowback and many attacks on our forces in that time.

    I believe that it was unnecessary to occupy Afghanistan. I believe that our presence there does no good. I believe that each time our forces kill innocents we motivate many Afghans to attack our forces in revenge and I believe that people should notice these killings rather than believe tales about crappy little films.

  9. “The women weren’t the target”

    No, they were wrongly targeted, but they were the target. And in any case, so what? You think their families are thinking that?!

  10. Pete

    I believe that it was unnecessary to occupy Afghanistan.

    Then you believe since Afghanistan was the Host Country of AQ and OBL that it should have just been bombed?

    So your strategy would be just indiscriminate bombing? Without troops on the ground and an invasion bombing like that would cause more collateral damage.

    That’s what you favor?

    or you believe that No attack on Afghanistan at all should have taken place?

    or should We have bombed but not occupied Saudi Arabia, because even though AQ and OBL were working out of Afghanistan he and the high jackers were Saudi’s ?

    Oh wait the other possibility is Allan’s it was all faked, and we did it for the oil. Is that your choice?

    Please pick one or provide your own, but I expect an answer.

    You people ask if I wouldn’t be radicalized? Well aren’t I? 3000 Americans were killed using your logic I am therefore justified in killing and wanting to see killed Muslims since I believe Radical Muslims indiscriminately bombed my country that is your logic.

  11. You people ask if I wouldn’t be radicalized? Well aren’t I?

    So that explains your blood thirsty vicarious war mongering.

  12. it must Paul, I mean that’s why everyone is trying to kill us so it must fit.

    Hey I have a question if a 15 minute video on youtube caused this weeks riots and the death of our ambassador what will the upcoming hollywood two hour movie on how Obama got Bin Laden do? sorry off topic….

    I’m waiting for an answer Pete.

    If not the choices I laid out, what should the response to 9/11 have been?

  13. Troll –

    You’re not radicalised, you’ve swallowed the State’s “golly gosh darn America is great” faux-patriotic propaganda, and you repeat what you read on GOP/neocon blogs.

    I reject all of your options. The sensible, moral and lawful route would have been to convene a grand jury to assess the evidence against OBL. If an indictment was issued (OBL was never indicted, by the way), the Taliban should have been asked to hand him over. In fact the Taliban did say they would hand him and the others over, on presentation of compelling evidence, but Washington declined to present any evidence.

    If the Taliban had still declined, special forces, working in cahoots with what were still allies in the Northern Alliance where necessary, should have been dispatched to hunt them down.

    If the official story of OBL and 9/11 is correct, the US (and others) has been lured into a catastrophic occupation of Aghanistan which has killed a few thousand soldiers, physically and mentally destroyed many more, killed and maimed very many thousands of civilians, drained our treasuries, destroyed faith in our nations, crushed our liberties and seen our governments resort to kidnapping, torture and the abandonment of a due processes which took a millennium of blood and conflict to win.

    For our liberties, wealth and the wellbeing of hundreds of thousands of individuals and families, the Washington regime since 2001 has a total catastrophe.

    If you and GOP had the slightest shame or an ounce of self-respect, you’d apologise for helping to vote those psychopathic bastards into power, but here you still are, years later, excusing the mass-killing of women harming no-one in their own homeland.

    This is what politics does to people, this is what fealty to political gangs does to human minds. It warps and bends and finally destroys morality and any sense of right and wrong.

    Do yourself a favour. Go home tonight and destroy your GOP membership. Declare. Burn it, shoot it, vapourise it, just destroy it. Declare yourself a free, independent man with an independent mind on the side of morality and justice.

  14. it must Paul, I mean that’s why everyone is trying to kill us so it must fit

    You’re willing to send your daughter to war and possible death because Iran are trying to kill Americans?

  15. I am willing to allow my daughter to serve her country in our military because it is an honor to serve our country.

    Being a soldier or a cop is something to be proud of.

  16. “that’s why everyone is trying to kill us”

    He’s nuts.

    I mean, really, do some Americans believe this paranoid drivel?

  17. I am willing to allow my daughter to serve her country in our military because it is an honor to serve our country

    How does she serve America by going to war with Iran?

  18. Pete

    you really aren’t very stable are you?

    You want to deal with acts of war with Grand Juries. OK show me where that has ever been the policy of any nation.

    Bill Clinton tried it and it directly lead to the events of 9/11.

    In your laughable tirade you blame the US and the West for all the woes of the world.

    I’m sorry if you hate your country and your culture, I do not. If my love for my country is the root of all evil in the world as you imply, then the world be damned.

    Somehow I think my love of the US is shared by 100s of millions. We have millions who come here every year legally and illegally because we are the greatest society on earth.

    I feel sorry for you. You are truly a man who hates the fact that you were born into one of the greatest nations. Britain is the Jewel of that side of the world yet you despise it. Why? Where else would you rather live?

    You are unable to list your beliefs because you don’t have any. and you dare not list the ones that govern your society or mine because you despise them.

    What a truly sad man you are.

  19. Paul she will go where that service takes her. She is not joining to kill. Do those that join your military do so to kill? Do those in your country become cops to kill criminals?

    To protect and to serve.

  20. Paul she will go where that service takes her

    So, you would be prepared for your daughter to fight and possibly kill and die in a war with Iran even though Iran bears no threat to the US?

  21. We could all have real field day if it was discovered Prince Harry had been out on a practice run….
    Much rubbing of hands and
    “I told you so’s”

  22. Troll –

    I noticed two substantial points in among that:

    1) You convene grand juries for acts of mass murder. Don’t give me this drivel that 9/11 was an act of war. That’s just political cant behind which the dupes can line up and cheer the destruction of their liberties. Even the federal government, via its laws, defines terrorism as a criminal act.

    2) Quite clearly I don’t blame the US and the West for all the woes of the world, but we’ve brought on ourselves alot of trouble through boneheaded acts in recent years.

    Troll, a patriot will look at his country as it is and speak honestly of it. You do neither.

  23. I am prepared for my daughter to do her job, if she gets to fly jets like she wants she may see combat, and all the risks that go with it.

    Do I want her to die? of course not you ass, but I am proud very proud that she wants to serve.

    Now as for your obsession with Iran, Iran killed our Ambassador in 1979 and took hostages. It has killed 100s of American soldiers in several countries. It has stated that it wants the US destroyed. Imamadjihad has repeated this over and over.

    your deluded if you believe they are not a threat.

  24. Pete you can’t even list your beliefs.

    When you do we will talk about your criticism of mine. In the mean time you are just another fool that I feel pity for.

  25. How old was your daughter 33 years ago Troll?

    It has stated that it wants the US destroyed. Imamadjihad has repeated this over and over.

    Please give me three example of Imamadjihad repeating this over & over.

    I’ll ask the question again and then maybe I’ll get an answer to it;

    How does she serve America by going to war with Iran?

  26. The sensible, moral and lawful route would have been to convene a grand jury to assess the evidence against OBL. If an indictment was issued (OBL was never indicted, by the way), the Taliban should have been asked to hand him over. In fact the Taliban did say they would hand him and the others over, on presentation of compelling evidence, but Washington declined to present any evidence.

    This is absurd.

    Firstly this was exactly the approach initially tried with Bin Laden- after the 1998 embassy bombings he was indicted and the US set up a team to try to capture him. Your argument that after he had murdered 3000 people in the USA, the American government should repeat the same process again is almost literally the definition of insanity- doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

    Secondly the Taliban are not the government of Switzerland or Japan who respect usual diplomatic norms- they weren’t going to dispassionately consider the evidence against Bin Laden- their benefactor and ally- and then send him off to be extradited. They did not follow diplomatic norms- for example the murdered Iranian diplomats in the 1990s, they were not a legitimate government (only three countries recognised their regime).

    The notion that after suffering thousands of civilian deaths the US should have to submit their evidence to the warlords protecting the culprit is a standard that has no basis in law and no country on Earth would dream of following.

  27. Troll –

    Iran did not murder any US Ambassador.

    “In the mean time you are just another fool that I feel pity for.”

    My patience is wearing thin again for your insults.

  28. Paul,

    I’ll ask the question again and then maybe I’ll get an answer to it; How does she serve America by going to war with Iran?

    I think maybe Troll’s going to do a Charles Bliss number on you..

  29. Ross –

    The US deals respectfully with all kinds of warlords and rabbles every day. It cuts deals and does business with anyone who promises to do what Washington wants. If bin Laden was indicted for the 1988 bombings then fine, they should have gone after him then, or were there not enough Americans killed in Africa? There must be a threshold in victims: below “x number” OBL is a terrorist and we’ll indict him, above that number it’s an act of war, the Taliban is a rabble and we invade. Are there principles in play here, or is it all politics?

  30. Ross – what is the evidence that OBL ran the 9/11 project from a cave in Afghanistan? I do know that on the same day within the hour, Ehud Barak was on the BBC naming OBL as the culprit. How did he know that?

    At 0.30 of the video.

  31. your right he wasn’t killed only held hostage for 444 days.

    and I still pity you. It’s not an insult it’s a statement of fact.

    You can not state your beliefs and what they are based on so I pity you.

  32. Pauly,
    I originally asked Charles what he was basing the comment below on, and what military experience he had. I even went as far as to ask whether he had been or is a squaddie, a ‘grunt’ or a para (military) which seimi said was very unwise and unecessarily provocative. Charles has never answered that question. That’s what I meant.

    Charles Bliss, on September 17th, 2012 at 9:21 am Said:

    yes let him stay, afterall its not like he is ever going to have to fight, he has ‘minders’ to whisk him away at the first sign of trouble and then its off home to collect some shiny new medals from granny.

  33. That video with Ehud Barak – watch it at 6.45 where he points to OBL in Afghanistan and then, at 8.02, he almost says ‘explosions’.

  34. Ross – what is the evidence that OBL ran the 9/11 project from a cave in Afghanistan? I do know that on the same day within the hour, Ehud Barak was on the BBC naming OBL as the culprit. How did he know that?

    He admitted it. I am aware that you believe the video of him doing so was doctored by the Illuminati but he did.

    As for how Barak knew it was Bin Laden- like everyone else he knew that simultaneous attacks with the aim of maximising civilian deaths was Al Qaeada’s signature style. If I had been interviewed within an hour of the attacks I would have said Bin Laden was the overwhelmingly likely suspect.

  35. Paul

    Your an ass, you are the one that said my daughter joining the military was to go to war with Iran. I never said any such thing.

    Imamadjihad has stated that The US must be destroyed, If you don’t want to believe it don’t.

    Do some research of your own, I suggest on the Iranian sites, find his speech that he did with the hourglass graphic, he is a believer in the 12th Imam. He believes the world must be bathed in blood so that the messiah will rise from the well and bring about the world wide caliphate.

    He believes these things and he is building nuclear weapons.

    I don’t really care if you choose to believe they are a threat or not. I really don’t care that you think service to ones country means that you want to kill. You have presented one of stupidest positions anyone on here has posted in a long time. It even rivals the insanity of Allan and the lack of any reality of Pete’s.

    I am proud of my daughter and her choices, I am proud that I have 2 nephews right now serving in the middle east. I am proud of all the family members that I have that are cops.

    I am also proud of my country and all the good it has done, and what it stands for.

    I’m sorry if these things are alien to you. My life is richer because of them.

  36. The US deals respectfully with all kinds of warlords and rabbles every day. It cuts deals and does business with anyone who promises to do what Washington wants.

    Yes, but that’s hardly a “moral and lawful” approach. Let alone a sensible one given what was known about the Taliban by 2001.

    If bin Laden was indicted for the 1988 bombings then fine, they should have gone after him then

    They did, they didn’t succeed.

    There must be a threshold in victims: below “x number” OBL is a terrorist and we’ll indict him, above that number it’s an act of war, the Taliban is a rabble and we invade.

    Of course the response to the attacks varies according to the scale of the attack, I’m not sure what your point is here- is it that it’s unprincipled if you don’t respond to an attack that kills a million people in the same way as one which kills one?

  37. Troll –

    It’s not that I can’t state the principles in which I believe. My comments reflect them in here most days.

    It’s that I’m coming to the conclusion that you’re a nasty piece of work and I can’t be bothered answering your pointless question. Most people in here might say you’re essentially decent but you just shoot your mouth off.

    With each insult I think you demonstrate further that you’re incapable of acting like an adult, that you’re a social inadequate and that you have no respect for this blog.

  38. Ross –

    My point is that federal government is beneath the law and must always abide by it. Your point seems to be that if enough people are killed, or if the terrorists live among warlords, the law can be dispensed with.

  39. Paul
    Your an ass, you are the one that said my daughter joining the military was to go to war with Iran. I never said any such thing

    Troll I asked you three questions regarding your opinion on your daughter potentially going to war with Iran. If I have said anything like the accusation above please point it out to me and I will gladly apologise although I would suggest the you read what words mean rather than what you wish them to mean. I also never accused you of saying “any such thing” (whatever that means).

    Why are you resorting to insults?

    Imamadjihad has stated that The US must be destroyed, If you don’t want to believe it don’t.
    Do some research of your own

    As it was you who made the accusation isn’t it normal for the accusor to verify their claims with proof? So, I’ll ask you again; If Imamadjihad has stated that The US must be destroyed many, many times, (as you claimed previously), then could you supply me with three examples.

    You have presented one of stupidest positions anyone on here has posted in a long time. It even rivals the insanity of Allan and the lack of any reality of Pete’s

    What position is that Troll? I’m unaware of any position I’ve presented either way.

    The rest of your latest comment is irrelevant bluster.

  40. If the terrorists live among warlords who can’t be bribed, any non military approach is going to fail.

    I am not sure what law the US government has broken by invading Afghanistan to pursue Al Qaeda. There are certainly precedents for direct action against hostile forces that are not sovereign states with whom one can go to war but equally are not in a position where conventional policing style measure could possibly work- from Jefferson’s attack on the Barbary pirates onwards.

  41. The Afghanis cannot be defeated in the long run. They have been doing what they do for thousands of years. The sooner all our troops are withdrawn by all our governments the better.

  42. Ross –

    The Taliban offered to hand bin Laden over on presentation of evidence. The offer was never tested, so anything else around it is supposition.

    Yes, there are precedents for military action against hostiles where policing does not work, and I did say that would have been legitimate (if the federal government could present compelling evidence).

  43. Pete – I understand you are also distressed that instead of going to war a grand jury wasn’t convened to indict Hitler instead of going to war. I further understand that you must be of the opinion that no innocent civilians were killed by allied forces during the Second World War. I further understand that while you advise everyone to distrust the government you find the Taliban’s proposal to weigh OBL’s guilt if provided with evidence as a legitimate offer worthy of our belief.

    I support the action in Afghanistan, and I also am saddened by any innocents who have died during the course of the war. However, it has become clear that the place is ungovernable and I think it is time to draw down the Allied presence there.

  44. I agree with your last post Mahons, although I would add that the British have known for a long long time that Afghanistan was impossible to defeat.
    The reason we are there is because Tony Blair supported George Bush Jr, and was so overawed by the glitz and glamour and seeming invincibility of American military power, he thought the US would succeed where we had failed.
    Oh, and sucking up to America wouldn’t harm his future employment prospects either. 😉

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