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It always saddens me when people feel obligated to leave the ATW community so I wanted to suggest you read this post.  I hope Troll has a long rest but reloads and returns.

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52 thoughts on “ON DEPARTURES….

  1. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the recent personalised remarks made on some threads, I am sorry to see Troll go. ATW will be poorer for the loss of his vibrant perspectives.

  2. I also think he will – and should – return.

    He is, however, also right to take a break now. I found myself avoiding his threads for the past few weeks. The mess he was in with others and with himself was just too much to be sorted out here. It was impossible for anything like a discussion emerge when he was present. and it should be remembered that he was at loggerheads not least with many people who share his general view of things.

    Again, let him take the advice Cecil Rhodes gave to Parnell in his crisis: Resign. Reconsider. Return.

  3. Well I hope so, and I just wish no matter how provoked he feels, that he just remembers no debate here is worth getting so angry about. It’s a blog, we post our views, we can be serious or silly but none of us ever need to get nasty.

  4. Having had approximately the same type of personal attacks and comments as our friend, I would only state that with age comes a slightly thicker skin, as well as the ability to understand that your opponents are all w***ers of the lowest order, and therefore are just to be ignored. (perhaps I should also be apologising to the ordinary w***kers of this world, for lumping them together with the clowns who attempt to insult me whilst commenting upon my lucid, sober and well-fashioned posts)

  5. Given this time of year I imagine he’ll follow another misunderstood prophet and rise again in three days time.

  6. A Pope, a Troll and a Phantom walk into a bar….

    (I wish I were as good at telling jokes as I am at laughing at them…anyone for some levity here? this website is turning into a bunch of crybaby girls, I tell you…we need a direct link to some psych ward for “feeling counseling” …. how is it that this California girl of romantic temperament is tougher than any of the guys here?

    tougher except for maybe Mahons…or Daphne…she’s really a guy, isn’t she? I kid. I kid.)

  7. “who attempt to insult me whilst commenting upon my lucid, sober and well-fashioned posts)

    WHAT lucid, sober and well fashioned posts??
    You flatter yourself Mr Cunningham..
    🙂

  8. A Pope, a Troll and a Phantom walk into a bar….

    One of them eats shoots and leaves…

    Oh wait, that’s a joke about a Panda…or is it?

  9. We should spend more time in bars. Bars, especially the more traditional British or Irish places, can be civilization at its finest.

  10. It is a real sorrow that Troll was put into a position where he had no choice but to leave ATW , I hope that he will return like McArthur .
    David provides a space where the comments are mostly informative and civil ; however sometimes ill judged comments are posted , not all of us are right all of the time(I am wrong most of the time ). What ever is posted here I would defefend the right of the poster to place it , wether I agreed with it or not . David’s ATW is a jewel so please respect it and the privilage of posting on it .

  11. “David’s ATW is a jewel so please respect it and the privilage of posting on it.”
    I think ATW is the best blogsite on the web.

  12. the doctor –

    “David’s ATW is a jewel so please respect it and the privilage of posting on it .”

    Hallelujah!

  13. I agree that it is indeed sad when a contributor to this site leaves.

    I visit this site every day and on the whole enjoy the content. In a world that appears to be spinning out of control due to the general stupidity of the political class in Britain, Europe and America, ATW is one of the few beacons of sanity with which to cling to.

    I occasionally leave comments on this site and would like to comment more if time permitted but I lose interest when the debate turns nasty and unpleasant. It is a great pity when this happens as these are serious times requiring serious discussion from which new ideas will emerge.

    “The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.” John F Kennedy. This quotation alone should inspire all of us on the right to carry on speaking truth unto evil.

    It is the left who are the true proprietors of nastiness and and we should leave it where it belongs. We should collectively rise higher as our ideas are founded on freedom, self reliance and charity.

    Please keep up the good work and my thanks to David for investing so much time and energy in this site and the defence of liberty.

  14. It is the left who are the true proprietors of nastiness

    Amen to that, and much wild clapping from me .. it’s about time someone said it.

    BTW ..

    You want to see real ‘nastiness’ follow the violent antics of UAF (Unite against fascism), They are the epitome of the Left.

    Control freaks.

    The sooner Troll returns, the better.

  15. Welcome Virgilius,

    The great thing about ATW is that it is more than an expression of opinions.
    It is challenging and informative, and it welcomes ladies and, and all sorts of people.
    There is no need for serious nastiness, and to be fair Those who are seriously nasty don’t stay.

  16. “It is the left who are the true proprietors of nastiness”

    Virgilius, Harri,

    Before you start creaming yourselves in your self-congratulatory righteous glory, I’d really like to see some examples of that serious nastiness, and see how they compare to some of the more recent comments seen here.

    Any takers?

  17. Sarah, on March 29th, 2013 at 7:19 PM Said:
    “It is the left who are the true proprietors of nastiness”

    Virgilius, Harri,

    Before you start creaming yourselves in your self-congratulatory righteous glory

    This one, That’s a good start.

    The left, once they lose that contol .. they lose it.

    Talking of ‘Righteous’ that is my favourite subject of the left, righteous points just happens to be thier lifeblood.

  18. Oh good for you.

    The ” left ” community on these pages is small. The extreme right and the centrists dominate.

    The true left would be people like Petr. And I don’t ever hear him getting personal or nasty. Where are these nasty leftists here?

  19. Sarah

    See UAF for further details.

    A nastier more violent bunch of mobsters you will not find.

  20. Harri

    Who are the ” left ” here, other than Petr who would embrace the term?

    Some are so extreme right that they think that anyone who supports public schools is Lenins’ brother.

  21. Harri 🙂

    As you wish, let’s start there – and now let’s compare:

    Before you start creaming yourselves in your self-congratulatory righteous glory

    …as opposed to what was said on March 27th, 2013 at 10:09 AM:

    “Your a piece of scum”

    “…you little piece of shit”

    “You keep bringing up this dead children comment, yes I said it and meant it.”

    “I don’t care what tragedy you have had in your life, it is good you have no mate, your dead inside, a creature of pure bile who it’s best that your genes and your influence can’t be passed on to children on a regular basis.”

    “I hope you live and die alone”

    ^All from a single comment, mind you.

    Now, you were saying… ‘true nastiness’? Which fits the bill better?

  22. “The extreme right”
    There is only one extreme righty type that I can think of.
    I would say that most of us are slightly left or slightly right of centre.
    Pete Moore is just “slightly.”
    The disagreements are perhaps down to generational differences and sheer ignorance.

  23. Phantom

    I dont know to be honest, who on here is ‘Extreme right’ ?

    Sarah

    I take it Troll said all that?

    Which reminds me this ..

    American ” A gun in one hand and a bible in the other ”

    I have no problem with Troll. If I dont like what he says or anyone else I just don’t take offence .. but then again I am an athiest 😉 so perhaps I have more understanding and patience.

    Sarah

    Peace

  24. Sarah – Troll is a socialist.

    Agit8ed – I’m a libertarian and anarcho-capitalist, I’m neither right nor left.

  25. Pete Moore, on March 29th, 2013 at 7:50 PM Said:
    Sarah – Troll is a socialist.

    My flabber is ghasted

  26. //1. It is the left who are the true proprietors of nastiness
    Amen to that, and much wild clapping from me .. it’s about time someone said it.//

    Harri, I’d say it’s about time you stopped trying to avoid Sarah’s question and started trying to answer it.

    Otherwise we’ll all know you were talking bullshit above.

  27. Sarah,

    “Your a piece of scum”

    “…you little piece of shit”

    “You keep bringing up this dead children comment, yes I said it and meant it.”

    “I don’t care what tragedy you have had in your life, it is good you have no mate, your dead inside, a creature of pure bile who it’s best that your genes and your influence can’t be passed on to children on a regular basis.”

    “I hope you live and die alone”

    ^All from a single comment, mind you.

    Now, you were saying… ‘true nastiness’? Which fits the bill better?”

    but that is extremely rare on ATW, and no one really responded in like manner.
    What I would say though is that more ladies/women taking part provides a better cross section of opinion.

  28. I’m an atheist too, Harri 🙂 (Not on the ‘Left’ either, fyi.)

    I just try to be as fair minded and as honest as possible. The original quote re: true nastiness, seemed to me unfair and untrue. It was also taken in the context of this blog. Bringing up the UAF is bringing the ‘nastiness’ quote out of the original context.

    However I will have a look into that, just out of interest. Though, somehow I doubt the atrocities of a leftist organisation past or present can somehow undo, or cancel out other atrocities by other not-quite-left organisations past or present.

    Since you’ve said nothing about the comparison I queried, (other than bringing up the UAF) I’ll take it I’ve made my point.

    Peace to you too!

  29. ” I’m a libertarian and anarcho-capitalist, I’m neither right nor left.”
    You’re in a minority of one Pete. That’s why we try to look after you. There’s not many like you left.

  30. Harri, I’d say it’s about time you stopped trying to avoid Sarah’s question and started trying to answer it.

    Otherwise we’ll all know you were talking bullshit above.

    Noel

    No B/S here, I leave all that to you .

    I answered Phantom on Sarahs question, (If you could possibly be arsed to engage brain before mouth) and read the posts, I already said I DONT KNOW ..clear enough.

  31. Agi8ted

    Granted, that post may have been more vitriolic than usual, but be honest. We’ve all seen the “your[sic] an ass”, and worse as a response to many a reasonable question or argument.

    I may not comment much, but I’m plenty familiar with this place as a lurker.

  32. Socialism isn’t communism. Communism is against human nature, and accordingly, leads to the gulag and rule by the few. Socialism can mean many things.

    But nearly everyone in the US and Europe support multiple concepts once, and correctly, derided as socialist. Which is why we’re all socialists, including nearly all here.

  33. Before Noel faints with righteous indignation .

    Yes Sarah you made your point.

    BTW, I am convinced Petr and Noel are one and the same 😉

  34. Sarah,

    “Your a piece of scum”

    “…you little piece of shit”

    “You keep bringing up this dead children comment, yes I said it and meant it.”

    Sarah, as you do trying to see the good side of most people instead of confrontation ..maybe just maybe those quotes above are more to do with the ‘Demon drink’ than the person?

  35. Perhaps, Harri

    …and perhaps that’s why the UAF have done what they’ve done. Who’s to know? 😛

  36. Harri, on March 29th, 2013 at 8:11 PM Said:
    Sarah

    I live with four daugters, my wife and mother outlaw so I have learned to adapt ..

    ‘When a women says ‘what’ it’s not that she has not heard you
    She is giving you the chance to change your mind’

    😉

  37. //…and perhaps that’s why the UAF have done what they’ve done. Who’s to know? //

    🙂 Well played, Sarah!

  38. Sarah

    That’s a lot of drunks 😉

    Maybe the EDL are all drunk as well .. and the Police and general public they fight with all at the same time 😉

  39. Sarah

    Members of the UAF get arrested for violent behaviour not being drunk and disorderly 😉

  40. Sarah,
    Wassa lurker?
    Is that like the female equivalent of a guy wearing a dirty mac?
    What’s the UAF?
    Should I care?
    I am seriously concerned now that you watch us by stealth..

  41. Well – I seem to have set the hare running viz “nastiness”!

    Let me be clear – not all lefties are nasty and not all conservatives are angels – far from it. It has to be said, however, that there is an air of general nastiness that pervades the left in the way they despise those on the right and our values.

    Sometimes, tangible nastiness breaks out as, for example, in the writings of John O’Farrell who claims to have been disappointed by the failure of the IRA to murder Mrs Thatcher in the Brighton bombing during the party conference. O’Farrell then stands as the Labour candidate for Eastleigh backed by their leader Ed Milliband.

    I hate Socialism but I do not assume that all their ideas lack merit. Sure, most do but I would prefer civilised debate even with those I bitterly disagree with than to ever resort to the sort of vile utterings of people like O’Farell.

  42. My Dad used to say that i was ‘right’ of Attila the Hun. Something i still have a small amount of pride in.
    ATW did indeed used to a fairly right wing blog but it hasn’t been (commentator wise) for quite some time.

    I will miss Troll tremendously. I found it pretty difficult to disagree with a lot of what he said.
    He did ‘loose the plot’ frequently when replying to comments which he should not have done but he was never afraid to say exactly what he felt on whatever topic.
    A sad loss for ATW and i do hope he will reconsider.

  43. Agit

    What’s the UAF?

    Your memory ain’t what it used to be .

    UAF ‘Unite Against Fascism’ A fake charity funded by Central government to fight whoever gets in their way or disagrees with the warped ones, may that be the police, innocent bystanders, the EDL .. whoever, they are loved and adored by the BBC, they are a leftist organisation.

    I believe they are just racist fascist thugs 😉

    It’s ‘warmed’ up here it’s only minus 10 now off for a stroll over the frozen plains with the dogs.

    Frozen tree uprooted and at hand in case anyone mentions ‘Global Warming’ within earshot 😉

    TTFN

  44. I pretty much agree with Virgilius’s comment above, – there are yobs in all walks of life, from the poorest to the richest, including royalty.

    However, it has long been true that ‘Manners maketh the man”. However, it is also true that some just never grow up and destined to remain truculent teens for life.

    To rant and rave on almost any topic and then to season it all with gross profanity, is most definetly not the way to make friends or to influence people.

    The web is particulaly prone to such asinine behaviour primarily because of the anonymity it provides, and even where real names are known, it is highly unlikely that ‘web combatants’ will ever meet. Would ‘himself’ still behave in the fashion that does if he knew his neighbours read his comments on a regular basis.

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