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It’s a simple question: Should Prince Harry continue to serve with his regiment at Camp Bastion in Afghanistan? I read that some military experts reckon that to withdraw him from the scene of the conflict would hand a victory to the Taliban. But is this right? What if he is killed? What sort of propaganda coup would THAT provide our enemies? Does his presence endanger his colleagues? The issue is complex and yet simple. Soldiers are required to do their duty and in that sense Prince Harry is exactly where he ought to be – with his regiment. The problem is that his Regiment should not be there! War aims have long been lost here and it  is US/UK policy to try and get the Taliban INTO the Afghan government. Think Belfast Agreement with an Islamic Crescent and you get the craven morally bankrupt official mindset. So our troops basically are sitting there as target practise for goat herds with psychotic tendencies and a love for the Prophet. That is what is wrong. None of them should be there. Afghanistan is not worth on life, Royal or otherwise. I firmly believe we should get out NOW and should the Taliban or ANY other group there challenge OUR safety we should carpet bomb them into eternity. So bring home Prince Harry and ALL our brave men and women out there. A war without war aims is truly a waste. This is what our weak vacillating politicians have bequeathed us. The shsme lies with them.

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93 thoughts on “SHOULD HE STAY OR SHOULD HE GO?

  1. “What if he is killed?”
    Then he would receive a soldier’s and a Prince’s funeral. I don’t think he would want anything else. Our young military personnel sacrifice themselves at the cynical behest of the politicians, and I believe Harry wants to play his part.
    Until this country becomes a republic (I personally hope it doesn’t), then the royals must play the part history has assigned them. There needs to be a reassessment of the role of the Monarchy, but as far as I can see, it is being watered down in order to make way for a multicultural republic. The monarchy could work, could have carefully defined powers; but I doubt the politicians want that to happen.
    Let Harry stay in Afghanistan with the rest of the lads and lasses.

  2. yes let him stay, afterall its not like he is ever going to have to fight, he has ‘minders’ to whisk him away at the first sign of trouble and then its off home to collect some shiny new medals from granny.

  3. Charles,
    you didn’t elaborate on your military combat experience. A squaddie, a grunt or a para??

  4. If by combat experience you mean sitting in a shiny new Apache from time to time and naked romps in Las Vegas then im sorry to say ive had no combat experience lol

  5. God bless Harry, he’s doing his duty and proudly. The Afghan Theater has reached it’s conclusion. Under current rules of engagement all of our troops are wasted there.

    Me thinks however if things keep on the path that they are there won’t be many assets concentrated there. All assets in that theater will be heading east.

  6. Charles,
    No LOL.
    I repeat my question.
    You are either a squaddie, a “grunt” or a para(military)??
    You imply you’ve seen action, some details please.

  7. Troll,
    “The Afghan Theater has reached it’s conclusion.”
    Exactly. And I for one hope that means our politicians will learn the lesson that sending young and vulnerable citizens out to fight cynical wars ain’t going to wash any more.
    Fight for the preservation of our homelands and cultural values, yes. But all future overseas incursions should be clearly defined, surgical and withdrawable.

  8. And I for one hope that means our politicians will learn the lesson that sending young and vulnerable citizens out to fight cynical wars ain’t going to wash any more

    Their only vulnerable if they don’t have ‘minders’ to ‘whisk’ them away from those nasty men in pyjamas. scoff!

  9. PS
    You and your wife ever able to come over to Norfolk England, stay with the Agit8eds. There are US military bases aplenty for you to visit, (as long as a couple of LImey hosts can tag along)
    We’d bed you and feed you as part of our gratitude for your support in WW1 and WW2.
    Sincerely, I (we) mean it. It would be our pleasure to show you around the UK.

  10. And I for one hope that means our politicians will learn the lesson that sending young and vulnerable citizens out to fight cynical wars ain’t going to wash any more.

    Politicians will send fodder to wherever they are told by their owners to send them. Apart from the target (oil, opium), the wars are very lucrative for the corporations themselves, and the money is re-cycled back into Congress, Parliament or whatever fake ‘democratic’ institution is used to impose upon the duped population. This has been going on in its current form since 1914.

    “Learn the lesson” – yeah, whatever.

  11. Bliss
    How apt!
    In the hallucinogenic sense of the word…
    You come on here making bold statements re Prince Harry’s willingness to do his bit for the country, but don’t have the guts to give us even an inkling of your own military experience.
    How odd.

  12. If his handlers are too scared to have him anywhere near danger, he shouldn’t be in Afghanistan. If he can’t travel with his unit, he shouldn’t be in the army and should stop pretending he’s a soldier.

    This is all just another example of the buffoonery that is royalty. They have to pretend they are doing their bit so that they can sport farcical medals at their regular bashes and maybe then some people won’t realise they are a family of parasites.

    //What if he is killed? //

    Well, one less drain on taxpayers’ money for a start.

  13. re Prince Harry’s willingness to do his bit for the country

    eh, hard to do your bit for your country when your butt naked in Las Vegas or getting ‘whisked’ away by minders during a battle.

  14. PS\I would have more respect for your opinions if you prefaced them with,
    ” I am Irish/of Irish descent/ reluctantly Northern Irish so my view on the (hated) British royal family is somewhat coloured….

    The funny thing is that England is the most powerful, most inventive, most successful and influential of all the kingdoms of the British Isles and nothing is going to change that…
    It’s a form of penis envy, Noel.
    Get over it.

  15. A-git i think you’ll find most right thinking english people have little if any support for the royals, from air-miles Andy right down to Royal Baps herself.
    My guess is your one of those little englanders that still collects tacky collector’s plates with QE2’s mug plastered on them.

  16. No,
    Bliss the Piss taker,
    No tacky stuff.
    I went to a Royal Naval boarding school, where I lost respect for pointless forelock tugging exercises.
    I never saw action in the military sense anyway.

    You an ex squaddie, an ex ‘grunt’ or a paramilitary??
    How many times do I have to ask the question?

  17. //A8 if I ever get across the pond your on the top of my list I thank you.//

    That “I never saw action in the military sense” bit will sure facilitate bonding, Troll.

  18. I repeat the question which you seem shy of addressing, Charles.
    (Surely not a bastard son of….!)

    “You an ex squaddie, an ex ‘grunt’ or a paramilitary??”

  19. Noel,
    “That “I never saw action in the military sense” bit will sure facilitate bonding, Troll.”

    Wheeeeeeeew!!
    Ain’t you the dog’s bollocks Noel!

    Actually I invited the Troll over here to Norfolk where we have a few US airbases some time ago.
    I had a lot of kindness shown me by Yanks in Israel and Switzerland, and to return the kindness would be a real mitzvah!

  20. //I invited the Troll over here to Norfolk where we have a few US airbases some time ago.//

    But all those roaring aircraft will have him crapping all over your carpet.

  21. “You an ex squaddie, an ex ‘grunt’ or a paramilitary??”

    I dunno on what planet you would think im a paramilitary? I didnt think IRA/UVF were very tech savvy or stupid enough to broadcast themselves via online chat

  22. Bliss,
    Sorry,
    You’re still evading my question.
    Frankly, if it were me I’d be embarrassed by now.

  23. Agit8ed,

    you’re asking someone, on an online forum, if they are a paramilitary. That’s just stupid. Firstly, do you expect the person to answer. Secondly, Logical Unionist did more or less the same thing a while back, and it didn’t go down too well. Maybe you should stop?

  24. Seimi
    Damn this stupid iMac!
    I did a reply, looked for a previous post of mine from this morning to provide balance, and before you can say “Crap Computers-Apple or Otherwise” I’ve lost it.
    So re the gist of your “stop it now” comment. I was being provocative to try and get Bliss to give some credibility to his unwarranted comments re Prince Harry…. I could care less whether he’s a paramilitary or not.
    Here’s the quote:

    There was a very interesting scene in Downton Abbey (last night) where the Irish husband and ex chauffeur of one of the sisters, launches a tirade against the English aristocracy. His dilemma was that the woman he had fallen in love with was a part of that system, and he had to find a way of balancing his integrity as an Irish Republican with the fact that he had married into English aristocracy.
    He had to get fitted out with “tails” for the wedding, which he really didn’t want to do, but he made his point, it was accepted, and he had to realise that sometimes in life there are bigger more important things than our honour and our righteous resentment of the established order.
    ‘Twas ever thus.
    I thought it was well done, and should be shown in schools all over North and Southern Ireland

    That’s that. I reserve the right to be as patriotically English as any Irishman ‘paramilitary’ or not.
    Or is it only the English who have to feel guilty Seimi?

  25. It’s only 4 in the afternoon, and you appear to have been at the sherry already, Agi 🙂

    You saw something on TV – in a drama (that’s a made up story)- and you thought it should be shown to all Irish people to teach them – what, exactly?

    Asking someone if they are a paramilitary isn’t just being ‘provocative’ – it’s stupid. What answer did you expect? If you didn’t expect an answer – why ask?

    ‘I reserve the right to be as patriotically English as any Irishman ‘paramilitary’ or not.’

    Ok, you lost me totally at this bit. What are you talking about? Prince Harry? Downton Abbey? What?

    ‘Or is it only the English who have to feel guilty Seimi?’

    Huh?

  26. A-git managed to work Downton Abbey, the ginger prince and paramilitaries all into the same post…no mean feat that.

  27. Charles Bliss,
    you still don’t answer the question.

    Seimi,
    “Asking someone if they are a paramilitary isn’t just being ‘provocative’ – it’s stupid. What answer did you expect? If you didn’t expect an answer – why ask?”
    I already told you! Bliss doesn’t give a basis for his criticism of Prince Harry serving in Afghanistan. I asked him any number of times what that basis was. He doesn’t answer.
    I also asked him whether he was a squaddie or a ‘grunt’ -an American soldier. Did you miss that? Why the sensitivity about paramilitary?
    “‘I reserve the right to be as patriotically English as any Irishman ‘paramilitary’ or not.’
    Because if Charles Bliss is talking as an Irishman, then he is attacking the royal family of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I am English. It is the royal family of my nation, therefore I am entitled to ask him where he’s coming from.
    It started last night and continued this morning. Not four o’clock this afternoon. Please follow the thread Seimi.

  28. ‘ Bliss doesn’t give a basis for his criticism of Prince Harry serving in Afghanistan. I asked him any number of times what that basis was. He doesn’t answer.’

    Does he need to give you a basis? His argument was that Harry is being protected by minders – something other soldiers don’t have. You then started asking what CB’s military experience was – why!? What’s your military experience!? What does it matter?

    ‘I also asked him whether he was a squaddie or a ‘grunt’ -an American soldier. Did you miss that? Why the sensitivity about paramilitary?’

    My god, if you don’t know, then there’s very little point in talking to you! I’ll give you a clue – 2 of the above are legal, the other isn’t. Are you following me?

    ‘Because if Charles Bliss is talking as an Irishman, then he is attacking the royal family of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I am English. It is the royal family of my nation, therefore I am entitled to ask him where he’s coming from.’

    Perhaps he’s talking as someone who doesn’t like royalty? Does he need to be Irish? Does it matter? I think you need to calm down a bit, Agi, you’re losing the run of yourself…

    ‘It started last night and continued this morning. Not four o’clock this afternoon. Please follow the thread Seimi.’

    I was referring to your comment to me, not the entire thread. Do try to focus, Agit8ed…

  29. Seimi,
    I am focussed Seimi. I told you my original comment disappeared. I can’t find it. Never mind.

  30. Anyone who thinks that Harry Windsor’s life or safety in Afghanistan is equal to that of any other soldier is either extremely naive or delusional.

    I see that you’re doing that Irish thing again Agi.

  31. Paul McMahon –

    The one journalist who was embedded with him on his first tour confirms that he served just like any other soldier.

    There’s seems to be this view that because he’s a prince he’ll get privileges. The Armed Forces doesn’t really put up with that kind of thing. Andrew did not get them when he flew helicopters during the Falklands War, Edward did not get them when he failed Royal Marine selection, and Harry’s not getting them now.

  32. Selection and flying ‘combat missions’ in a chopper are totally different from being on the ground in an infantry or artillery regiment. You seriously think that Harry has no protection?

  33. I see that you’re doing that Irish thing again Agi.”
    I didn’t say there was no difference. Only that he should serve. Important people/Generals/ Kings have always had extra security.

  34. Important people/Generals/ Kings have always had extra security.

    Ah, an admission that Harry’s safety is more important than others. I’m sure that that really engenders comradeship and fighting cohesiveness in his unit.

    Noel’s 12.47 is spot on.

  35. So Paul,
    using that logic, politicians shouldn’t have protection when they’re out and about?
    The POTUS shouldn’t have an armoured limousine and wear kevlar body armour when he’s overseas? Those security people aren’t needed and he is exposing them to unnecessary danger?!

    Our Prime Minister and the new leaders of Northern Ireland shouldn’t have extra protection either? Where are you going with this?

    Prince Harry is more important than me,; as is our Queen, our Prime Minister and many others, in their roles as leaders in various societal positions.
    I doubt very much that soldiers (in the British Army at least) are quite used to structure and the chain of command. They accept that officers and majors and generals are important because they devise strategy and ensure men and materials are available.
    So whilst there might be soldiers who are anti royalist, our army takes an oath of allegiance to our Queen.
    So Noel’s 12.7 is ballcocks. 🙂

  36. But the point you and Pete were making was that Harry is just like any other soldier, treated the same, when it’s patently not true. He is one soldier who is given extra protection in the form of minders, something his commanding officer doesn’t have, and his fellow soldiers certainly don’t have.

    So what is ‘ballcocks’ is the nonsense that he’s there as an ordinary soldier. He isn’t.

    This also is ‘ballcocks’

    ‘Prince Harry is more important than me’

    Get off your knees, Agi.

  37. Using that logic, politicians shouldn’t have protection when they’re out and about?

    Bizarre. I don’t know what logic you’re using Agi but it’s not the same as mine.

    I’m sure that that really engenders comradeship and fighting cohesiveness in his unit

    That doesn’t really apply to any of the people you list above does it? Unless of course thay plan on going to war instead of getting young naive people to do it for them.

    Prince Harry is more important than me

    This goes to the very crux of the Monarchial debate; Why? If you believe that he is more important than you because of an accident of birth rather than any personal skill or attributes he may or may not have then that is the mindset of a serf. You may as well say that an Xfactor winner is more important than you because they’re a ‘celebrity’.

    So whilst there might be soldiers who are anti royalist, our army takes an oath of allegiance to our Queen

    To kill and die and maybe take a bullet while her grandson legs it with half a dozen special forces soldiers covering his back?

    If his handlers are too scared to have him anywhere near danger, he shouldn’t be in Afghanistan. If he can’t travel with his unit, he shouldn’t be in the army and should stop pretending he’s a soldier

    Precisely.

  38. Seimi –

    What’s the SAS going to do when Harry starts flying Apaches this week, hang off the side of it?

    I very much doubt that story in the Daily Record. In fact I strongly suspect that if someone tried to whistle up a security detail from Hereford the response would have been short and sweet. The evidence of his father and uncles suggests no privileges.

  39. Seimi
    ??
    I said,

    “What if he is killed?”
    Then he would receive a soldier’s and a Prince’s funeral. I don’t think he would want anything else. Our young military personnel sacrifice themselves at the cynical behest of the politicians, and I believe Harry wants to play his part.”

    “Get off your knees, Agi.”

    What? You think me supporting his desire to serve, and acknowledging his role in society as being more important than mine, is a sign of servility?!

    That’s reality Seimi!
    That’s how we built a great country that has impacted the rest of the world to the degree it has.
    Anyway, the alternative would be what – interminable fighting amongst ourselves?

  40. The evidence of his father and uncles suggests no privileges

    And where did you read that Pete?

    When Harry starts flying Apaches let’s see how many ‘combat’ missions he’s sent on.

  41. Paul,
    Lord Mountbatten didn’t have any security on his last nautical command. Look where that got him….
    I don’t understand this dislike of the royals. Where does it come from?

  42. what does it matter Paul? According to you he only enlisted in the military to kill. So he should be flying everyday to kill Afghanies.

    You believe someone only joins the military to kill, so he better get to doing his job.

    or is it only my children join the military to kill… that is what you said.

  43. I don’t understand this dislike of the royals. Where does it come from?

    What makes you think that I dislike them? I don’t know them.

    Lord Mountbatten didn’t have any security on his last nautical command.

    So? What’s that got to do with the price of oranges?

  44. According to you he only enlisted in the military to kill.

    You believe someone only joins the military to kill

    or is it only my children join the military to kill… that is what you said

    Please show me where I said those things Troll or apologise for trying to twist my words.

  45. Paul McMahon –

    Charles, Andrew and Edward served without privileges. Andrew a helicopter pilot in the Royal Navy. This is what he got up to in the Falklands:

    Invincible was one of the two operational aircraft carriers available at the time, and, as such, was to play a major role in the Royal Navy task force assembled to sail south to retake the islands. However, Prince Andrew’s place on board and the possibility of The Queen’s son being killed in action made the British Government apprehensive, and the Cabinet desired that Prince Andrew be moved to a desk job for the duration of the conflict. The Queen, though, insisted that her son be allowed to remain with his ship, meaning Prince Andrew remained on board Invincible to serve as a Sea King helicopter co-pilot, flying on missions that included anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface warfare, Exocet missile decoy, casualty evacuation, transport, and search and air rescue. He witnessed the Argentinian attack on the SS Atlantic Conveyor, and was one of the first to take off survivors.

    No special treatment.

    Famously, Edward bailed out of Royal Marine training. He couldn’t hack it, no special treatment, out you go.

    The history of princes in the military, whether recent and otherwise, does not support the idea that Harry gets special treatment.

  46. Having heard from people I know who served with Prince Andrew, he was treated more or less like any other serviceman and he is a similar level as in second son.

    In general, unless they can keep his whereabouts on service secret, he shouldn’t go as he is adding to the riskhis comrades face. It puts him in a horrible position.

    As to whether we should withdraw from Afganistan. I don’t know. The loss of our servicemen and women is heartbreaking but so is leaving people to the “mercies” of the factions there. I suppose it reast on our ability/potential to do any real good there.

  47. Paul on the other thread you said my daughter was joining the military to kill Iranians. No where did I even mention Iran, yet you continued with your line that I was sending my daughter into the military to kill Iranians.

    Paul McMahon, on September 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm Said:

    it must Paul, I mean that’s why everyone is trying to kill us so it must fit

    You’re willing to send your daughter to war and possible death because Iran are trying to kill Americans?

    Paul McMahon, on September 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm Said:

    I am willing to allow my daughter to serve her country in our military because it is an honor to serve our country

    How does she serve America by going to war with Iran?

    Paul McMahon, on September 17th, 2012 at 8:41 pm Said:

    Paul she will go where that service takes her

    So, you would be prepared for your daughter to fight and possibly kill and die in a war with Iran even though Iran bears no threat to the US?

  48. Interesting that you believe Wiki yet discount the Daily Record Pete.

    The history of princes in the military, whether recent and otherwise, does not support the idea that Harry gets special treatment

    Maybe the story of Harry having body gaurds isn’t true then?

  49. Paul on the other thread you said my daughter was joining the military to kill Iranians

    If that is your interpretation by the questions I ask above then you seriously need to work on your reading comprehension.

  50. “This goes to the very crux of the Monarchial debate; Why? If you believe that he is more important than you because of an accident of birth rather than any personal skill or attributes he may or may not have then that is the mindset of a serf.”

    If the way of life I enjoy in this country is the reward for being a serf, bring it on!
    See, I don’t have a problem with accepting people have different roles in life. I didn’t say I regarded Harry or anyone else as being better than me -although some are nicer and less argumentative- I said they are more important than me in the roles they play.

    A society takes a lot of organising. It takes a long time, and as time goes by us serfs enjoy more opportunities, more advances in living standards and medicine and hospitals. And we live in a settled prosperous, peaceful society.
    People come from all over the world to join us Serfs!

    Being a serf has quite a lot to recommend it Paul. I get to stay in my own country for a start.

  51. Paul

    you attacked the Idea of my daughter serving in the military as means to just kill Iranians.

    Your comments can be read no other way, so if the only reason my child would join and serve in the military is to kill than it is your belief that anyone joining the military only does so to kill.

  52. you attacked the Idea of my daughter serving in the military as means to just kill Iranians.
    Your comments can be read no other way, so if the only reason my child would join and serve in the military is to kill than it is your belief that anyone joining the military only does so to kill

    I asked you three civil questions regarding your opinion on your daughter possibly going to a war, which you have often advocated, with Iran.

    If you have interpreted them in the way you have above then you have serious problems with English comprehension although I suspect that it’s probably manufactured faux outrage to avoid answering questions that you find difficult.

    People come from all over the world to join us Serfs!
    Being a serf has quite a lot to recommend it Paul. I get to stay in my own country for a start.

    If your happy with having an inferiority complex to ‘blue blood’ Agi that’s fair enough. Just don’t ask me to agree with it.

  53. I am perfectly happy with having a Constitutional Monarchy and I think the Queen hersefl certainly adds value to the UK in her longstanding role as Head of State but I certaonly don’t regard Royals per se as superior beings. On the subject of Harry, yes he sould stay as long as it is part of the routine timetable for his unit to be there. If his ‘special’ status is deemed to make him too much of a risk to stay there then he shouldn’t be in the army.

  54. “but I certaonly don’t regard Royals per se as superior beings”

    Colm,
    Exactly, and no more do I,. As Pete pointed out Prince Andrew served with no special favours, and Prince Edward failed to make the grade. No special favours, he was a washout!

    But in terms of how our country is structured, the society that you and I have signed up for, it’s different. The relationship between Church and State, the Monarch and the Government, those in key places are more important than I
    Oops! There I go playing the serf again…..

  55. “But I certainly don’t regard Royals per se as superior beings”

    Then the concept of ‘blue blood’ doesn’t exist? because that seems to be their only claim to fantastic wealth and privilege.

    Oops! There I go playing the serf again…..

    Indeed, why not ask yourself the question why the Monarchy are in ‘key places’ and why we have to pay for it?

  56. Paul,

    “Then the concept of ‘blue blood’ doesn’t exist? because that seems to be their only claim to fantastic wealth and privilege.”

    I have no time for that old nonsense, nor snobbery, nor oneupmanship, nor keeping up with the Joneses
    Think about it Paul. How many times have I told people on ATW that I gave 18 years of my life to unpaid voluntary work, I’ve been out of work quite a few times, on benefits (two years longest). Do you think maybe that points to someone who thinks for himself, applauds hard work and enterprise, and wants to see a better society?

    It’s nothing to do with them having blue blood. It’s that they are a part of our historical development and they have a role to play. I feel sorry for them actually. Their life is organised for them, they have to go here, do that, and meet boring people.
    They can’t do the ironing or vacuuming in the nip like I can, or fart when the mood takes me.
    I think you really misunderstand me and what I regard as important. Hobnobbing with “posh people” or playing the class game is just NOT a part of my life.

  57. I’m not accusing you of ‘ playing the class game’ , far from it. I’m only asking what distinctive, distinguished or outstanding qualities these people have which entitles them to a life of immense privilege if not an accident of birth?

    Isn’t that the contemporary version of the archaic notion of being ‘ordained by God’ i.e. ‘blue blood?’

    I know that you’re not a snob Agi, I know that you’ve been a voluntary worker, have been enemployed and don’t come from a privileged background. In fact, in many ways a lot of the things that you are, (at least in cyberspace), represent the best of English traits.

    It just serves to confound me even more as to how you can support such an inequitious organsation which is funded by working people.

  58. Paul

    The most open and liberal and stabe and succesfull societies are often Constitutional Monarchies. It’s a perfectly fine system for maintaining continuity and cohesion. Republics are fine for those countries that want that system, but neither is better than the other. It’s how a country works in the round that is important, not the technicalities of it’s governing structure.

  59. Paul,
    Nobody was born royal. Even Jesus came as a servant!
    The most greedy and ruthless and bloodthirsty families became landowners, then barons, then supporters of the kings who in return for their military support awarded them honours and favours and lands they took off some other poor so and so.
    That’s how they became royalty originally.
    In England we have been fortunate enough to have relatively peaceful transitions and reforms which saw the power of the Divine Right of Kings abolished and the power of the people’s governments grow.
    For whatever reason -perhaps as a unifying factor, we kept a royal family. They remain very popular even now. Sadly the snobbery and all that goes with rubbing shoukders with the “elite” remains. Hence the continuing popularity of the honours system. I don’t like it, but I realise that the royals were born into their sphere of influence as I was mine.
    I would love to meet the Princes privately, because it must be so hard to have to be something you can’t easily walk away from and be surrounded by people who fawn on them.
    But it ends there. I would no more want to be a part of their lifestyle than they would mine. I wouldn’t bow and scrape to them, just recognise our common humanity and desire to be liked just for ourselves, not what we represent. They may well disappear soon anyway, and we’ll be a Republic with different top dogs lording it over us!

    “In fact, in many ways a lot of the things that you are, (at least in cyberspace), represent the best of English traits.”

    Anyway Pauly, thanks for those kind words.They really are much appreciated,especially coming from you!
    Goodnight.

  60. It’s how a country works in the round that is important, not the technicalities of it’s governing structure.

    Hitler made the trains run on time eh Colm 🙂

    Look lads, I don’t think that we’re going to square the circle here. I’ll leave you with a quote from Connolly which best sums up my feelings on monarchy and that’ll be my lasy comment on the subject:

    Monarchy is a survival of the tyranny imposed by the hand of greed and treachery upon the human race in the darkest and most ignorant days of our history. It derives its only sanction from the sword of the marauder, and the helplessness of the producer, and its gifts to humanity are unknown, save as they can be measured in the pernicious examples of triumphant and shameless iniquities.

    James Connolly – Visit of King George V July 1911

  61. // saw the power of the Divine Right of Kings abolished and the power of the people’s governments grow.
    For whatever reason -perhaps as a unifying factor, we kept a royal family//

    One reason is simply that Britain wasn’t on the losing side in either of the 2 world wars, also that it remained relatively prosperous throughout the 20th C.

    World War I brought down half a dozen of some of the oldest, and most loved, monarchies in Europe.

    On the other hand, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the UK, Spain etc. weren’t on the losing side, and all retained their monarchies.

  62. I asked you three civil questions regarding your opinion on your daughter possibly going to a war, which you have often advocated, with Iran.

    your questions were not civil.

    You can subtle innuendo games all you choose, but try to be honest. You wanted to provoke, and you did. Be happy.

    Understand Yes I advocate for war, and yes my children will serve. I understand my beliefs are beyond your grasp. They by the nature of who I am would be. Your world is not mine, and mine is beyond your ability to grasp.

    Honor, Duty, Country. These things are not just words or jingoism to us. They are a way of life.

    Question it all you want, it is who me and mine are.

  63. Morning Aileen,
    ““nobody was born royal”

    By which I mean at birth none of us is special. It is what we are born into which determines what treatment we will receive from others and what their expectations of us will be.
    For example, when I was born nobody expected anything of me, and so far I haven’t disappointed them.

    We come into this world the same way, we exit it the same way. The circumstances of our birth and the family we are born into is beyond our control. 🙂
    Thank you for reading this comment.

  64. Agitated-Rectum wishes he was royality, that way he could live out the sorry beleif he is better then us.

  65. Charles,
    Thank you for your comment.
    I am sorry that you believe that I believe that I am better than you, although I believe you are wrong about this.
    This causes me great sorrow.
    Thank you for taking the time to read this comment. I hope you did not find it offensive in any way.

  66. Agit8ed,

    You have strange views. I am sorry you do. It would make me happy if you would finally see sense.
    I hope you appreciate this as the comment of a friend.
    But thanks for taking time to read it anyway.

  67. Dear Noel,
    Please explain why my views are strange, and what I could do to bring them into line with yours. Thank you for taking the trouble to respond. 🙂

  68. Agit8ed, thanks for your reply. It brought joy to my life.

    Well, I am still a bit saddened that you didn’t invite me to your Norfolk home along with Troll. While he is looking at those war planes, I could be admiring and exploring the Norfolk broads.

    To each his own.

  69. Noel,
    I would like to see the Troll and his wife here in England’s glorious county of Norfolk. I have a real soft spot for Yanks, not least because of the stories my Daddy told me about his experiences of their hospitality and naivety.
    I would be more than happy to entertain you too for a few days, although I fear you would be as disappointed with the Norfolk broads as I am. The broads in Kent tend to be much more attractive. 😉
    Having said that Mrs Agit8ed is a Norfolk lass, and I could not imagine sharing my life with a better or lovelier example of womanhood.

    Charles
    The best view of Norfolk is the road out of Norfolk.”
    You might be right Sir.
    I am sure though that many Norfolkians lined that road to bid you farewell.

    I hope you found this comment thoughtful and incisive.

  70. A-git, im sure they would but probably too busy playing stink finger with their cousins or getting dumpling tossin’ recognised an an olympic sport.

  71. Agi

    That still doesn’t make sence. Apart from those who marry into the family, pretty much all the royals were born royal. The Queen was. Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward were. William and Harry were. So were many many others.

  72. Your questions were not civil

    Yes they were Troll. you posted them yesterday at 9.01 for all to see.

    According to you he only enlisted in the military to kill.
    You believe someone only joins the military to kill
    or is it only my children join the military to kill… that is what you said

    Again, please show me where I said this?

    You wanted to provoke

    The only thing that I tried to provoke was an answer to questions that you refuse to answer. It’s called debate.

    Your world is not mine, and mine is beyond your ability to grasp

    That’s true. I live in reality.

    As to the substantive issue regarding Harry not getting special treatment, (from ATW’s favourite source of news):

    The 28-year-old prince, serving as a co-pilot gunner in the Army’s Apache helicopters, was a mile and a half from the firefight on Friday night. He was taken by SAS bodyguards to a secure location in the 20-square-mile base

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204260/Prince-Harry-doesnt-raise-risk-attack-fellow-soldiers-insists-MoD-weekend-bloodshed.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DIan%2BDrury

  73. Aileen,
    but being born into the Royal Family doesn’t de facto make you royal in the best sense of the word. There has to be expectations too.
    So Prince Charles for example seems sometimes rather petulant and pampered, but then he had a pretty screwed up upbringing.

    I suppose what I am trying (and obviously failing!) to get across, is that I don’t respect a person because they are royal born, I repect them for what they try to be. If they are not nice conscientious people and have airs and graces, why the heck should I respect them?

    If on the other hand they are doing their best to be what the role requires, then I respect them in that role.
    If someone’s a snob or tyrs to put you down or sneers, I couldn’t care less that they’re “Royal”!

  74. Being born into the Royal Family makes you royal in the sence of what the words mean.

    Prince Charles was born royal. If he was he greatest villain unhung, he would still be royal by birth.

    You say you don’t respect a person because they are royal born. That is a totally different thing than saying that they are not born royal. In fact it doesn’t make much sence to say you don’t respect someone just because of something that you say doesn’t happen anyway.

  75. Aileen,
    I read it through three times.
    You lost me.
    Sometimes my mind plays me up.
    I want to understand your observation.
    Please have another go at explaining it to me.

  76. //Sometimes my mind plays me up.//

    Agit8ed, yesterday was one of those times, was it? I can’t tell you how much I enjoyed that shtik of yours. You’ve got talent.

    Thanks for reading so far.

    I had to listen to boring speakers all day, but used to dash out to the jakes just to check out your latest contributions. Honestly.

    Will this lead to more understanding of our positions?

    You sounded like some guy slowly recovering from a long delicious love session, just lying there on a blissful bed, powered out and in love with the world.

    I hope you found this last comment helpful.

  77. Noel
    Aileen
    Noel?
    Aileen??
    Sorry Charles,
    I’ve just woken up.
    Where am I?
    Who calleth me?
    Is that you, Daddy!

    In other words
    “Yes, you’ve lost me Noel”.

  78. Noel,
    I don’t do subtle very well. I have a pretty literal mind (when it’s working properly) i’m afraid. So if I twig that’s what we’re doing, I play along.
    I DO however value people’s comments and I do try to respect them by going over old threads in case I missed something requiring an answer.
    “Your opinion is important to me” as the ad runs.;

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