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Some of us foreigners may have missed it.

Yesterday, across the United Kingdom, there was a moment where many stepped outside to applaud the brave NHS workers who are at the front line of a health care crisis.

If I were there, I would have been applauding also.

Much of the comment we see can be an endless litany of cranky complaints and never any compliments about the NHS or it’s staff. Yet the NHS is much loved among the British public.

Good show, ye British. Good show, NHS workers. Stay safe.

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95 thoughts on “Applause for NHS Workers

  1. This BS is relentless.

    The NHS does its own purchasing.

    If CV caused diarrhoea, would guvmint be to blame if hospitals didn’t have enough bedpans?

    Is Health Secretary’s remit to order doctor’s and nurses overalls?

    Whatever preparation that needed to be made since CV was identified, was the responsibility of NHS and nobody else’s, they are the ‘experts’, and they control their own massive budgets.

    How on earth would a politician be expected to tell the medical professionals that they needed more ventilators, or face masks, or whatever, and what would be the justifiable outcry if govt ever sought to interfere in such a way?

    Part of the clapathon last night, was to make NHS a protected species, a bit like other untouchables in today’s society, so that criticism and rebuke are impossible to make, no matter how necessary.

    The NHS had months to prepare, and they have let us down badly, and the excess deaths they keep bleating about are their responsibility, and theirs alone.

  2. If CV caused diarrhoea, would guvmint be to blame if hospitals didn’t have enough bedpans?

    If the head of the Governent was playing the diarrhoea down and telling people not to worry etc yeah, he’d have to accept part of the blame.

    What would be the justifiable outcry if govt ever sought to interfere in such a way?

    I suspect ther’d be a tsnuami of indignation from guys like you screaming something along the lines of socialised medicine. The NHS is imperfect but there’d be a whole lot more dead bodies around had the alternative lauded by Pete and others here been in place instead of it.

  3. What the NHS really needs.

    Is Layla Moran in charge.

    God help the NHS.

    In fact, God help all of us.

  4. Is Layla Moran in charge

    No, Edward Argar is. It was Layla Moran who wrote to him to remind him to join the EU ventilator scheme before the deadline passed.

    God help us is right.

  5. Good post phantom. Cheers.

    One of my nephews and his partner work for the NHS.
    He’s been on double shifts for the past 3 weeks, but he’s just been sent home with the coronavirus. They are going to test him again in two weeks.
    I think a lot more people have got this virus in the UK than we realise.

  6. I’ve a neice who’s a front line NHS nurse Dave who’s in the same boat regarding shifts. Complete burn out.

  7. Fair play to her Paul. my nephew was saying things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, and the NHS are already stretched.

  8. Dave.

    My wife has been transferred to the NHS frontline.

    She has been informed only this afternoon to be prepared to work seven days a week.

    Angels, all of them.

  9. “Applause for NHS workers”

    Unless they just happen to be married to someone not of a lefty persuasion.

    There, the empathy ends.

  10. Paul –

    The NHS is imperfect but there’d be a whole lot more dead bodies around had the alternative lauded by Pete and others here been in place instead of it.

    I can assure that I have not advocated any particular alternative national health system.

  11. I didn’t say you have advocated such a beast Pete. I said you advocated an alternative.

    I wonder how many of the dead would have shoes?

  12. I absolutely do advocate many alternatives Paul. It might look a bit like the food production and retailing industries, which is a wonder of the ages.

    Yes, I note that people who expect food every day never advocate a National Food Service.

  13. You advocate a pie in the sky alternative that is not used in any land, and which would leave many people unprotected.

    Highly unrealistic and otherworldly, just as communist theory is.

  14. Pete, we’ve been around this mulberry bush many, many times.

    See Phantom’s comment above.

  15. Pete

    How much would Tesco charge to treat/nurse someone with severe respiratory problems due to coronavirus? Who needs to spend lets just say seven days in bed.

    A ballpark number is fine

  16. Phantom –

    We know what a National Food Service would look like because half of Europe was left pale and ill by them.

    If we had such a thing, and I advocated private food production and retailing instead, your objections to that would be exactly the same as your objection above.

    “What?!” you would cry, “highly unrealistic and otherworldly” you would say. “You advocate a pie in the sky alternative that is not used in any land, and which would leave many people unprotected” you would say.

    I would assure you that my many systems of private plenty would allow for unimaginable sources of food in vast quantities from all around the word.

    I would tell – to your disbelief – that private provision would make becoming fat very easy because food would be so plentiful and cheap. You would gasp at my madness. No-one has ever been able to get fat under Glorious People’s National Food Service. “Impossible!” you would say.

    I would assure you it is true and you would say I’m mad.

  17. Food production and retail as an analogy for health care?

    Yeah, I mean, they’re just so similar.

  18. We’re talking about medical conditions that require the services of skilled doctors and nurses for perhaps a long time

    Is Tesco running a ” wuhan special ” this week? Are there coupons for this?

  19. How much would Tesco charge to treat/nurse someone with severe respiratory problems due to coronavirus? Who needs to spend lets just say seven days in bed.
    A ballpark number is fine

    How does 13% of your total salary each and every month sound?

  20. How does 13% of your total salary each and every month sound?

    As said before, all my kids were born on the NHS. That alone made all my NI contributions worth it.

  21. Phantom, on March 27th, 2020 at 6:54 PM Said:
    Sounds like a seriously good deal for most working people.

    That’s over and above the 40% the state steal every month from a lot of us directly.

    Indirectly?

    It’s more like 75%.

    Wow!

    What a bargain.

  22. Harri

    Civil liberties question. What if your wife doesn’t want to work 7 days a week. Is she compelled by law?

  23. Harri

    Civil liberties question. What if your wife doesn’t want to work 7 days a week. Is she compelled by law?

  24. Food production and retail as an analogy for health care?

    Of course, all resources are scarce. Economics doesn’t care it its guns or butter.

  25. Charles.

    Today, my wife was informed by text, to “expect” to plan for seven days a week shifts.

    But she is married to a non lefty, so the empathy towards those like my wife, is pretty low on the scales.

    Some people, even nurses, are more equal than others when it comes to lefties.

    See the posts above for further information, some were falling over themselves to thank, and congratulate others on ATW when they were informed that their niece or some distant relatives were somehow associated with nursing helping others…

    Oh, how wonderful the left bleated…

    Associated with someone else other than the left… not so wonderful after all?

  26. Do most people there pay 40% income tax?

    Only those millions earning a decent living wage.

    If you had a minimum of 53% of your earnings stolen by the state at source, and 13% of that for National insurance, ie, the NHS, would you at the very least least expect half decent healthcare?

    And just how important would it be to you if the NHS did not have enough surplus cash to squander on diversity officers, inclusion officers, interpreters, and gender realignment specialists on call, instead of half decent medical equipment?

  27. Today, my wife was informed by text, to “expect” to plan for seven days a week shifts.

    I can’t wait for Mike Ashley to tell his employees the same. The left would have kittens.

  28. Phantom, on March 27th, 2020 at 7:25 PM Said:
    This is genuinely funny stuff.
    You can do standup comedy at Radio City!

    But you will not be welcome.

    Only those with at least a minimum amount of sense of humour.

    No boring arrogant bastards allowed

    Sorry Phantom.

    That’s you excluded then.

  29. Of course, all resources are scarce. Economics doesn’t care it its guns or butter

    I see that Sainsburys are doing a buy one get on free on heart bi-passes.

  30. There would be a number of highly critical jobs including police, fire, and medical professionals for whom overtime is mandatory at time of need, with the full consent of any unions.

    This is the hour of need.

    I don’t think that many of those ” best of the best ” people complain very loudly about it either. There is no alternative.

  31. Associated with someone else other than the left… not so wonderful after all?

    The ‘lefties’ here weren’t praising nurseS, your wife among them, when you stated a few days ago that she was being acquisitioned by the NHS?

  32. Endless complaints, endless pessimism.

    Stand up straight for gods sake and stop this

  33. The thing is, my wife had to attend an NHS health and safety course today.

    It was on instructions on how to put on, and deal with full PPE hazmat suits.

    Two things here, a) my wife had to still pay four quid to park her car in the NHS car park, and b) more importantly, when she arrived at the local NHS hospital, it was called off, there was no PPE available?

    Not available?

    Where has all our tax payers cash gone? all those billions being spent on within the NHS?

  34. Phantom, on March 27th, 2020 at 7:37 PM Said:
    Endless complaints, endless pessimism.
    Stand up straight for gods sake and stop this

    Does constantly whinging & whining about Trump ring any bells?

  35. The ‘lefties’ here weren’t praising nurseS, your wife among them, when you stated a few days ago that she was being acquisitioned by the NHS?

    Huh?

  36. a) my wife had to still pay four quid to park her car in the NHS car park

    Thanks to the Labour Party. Labour imposed all those charges. Up the workers.

  37. Huh?

    Today, my wife was informed by text, to “expect” to plan for seven days a week shifts.

    But she is married to a non lefty, so the empathy towards those like my wife, is pretty low on the scales.

    >Some people, even nurses, are more equal than others when it comes to lefties.

    See the posts above for further information, some were falling over themselves to thank, and congratulate others on ATW when they were informed that their niece or some distant relatives were somehow associated with nursing helping others…

    Oh, how wonderful the left bleated…

    Associated with someone else other than the left… not so wonderful after all?

  38. I think the clue might lie in ‘National Health Service”

    Not International Health Service.

  39. I have a number of friends in the UK who are in medical profession who appreciated the gesture. Good post phantom.

  40. Phantom, on March 27th, 2020 at 7:48 PM Said:
    Is Labour in power now, Pete?

    By the grace of God, and normal decent thinking people.

    No,.

    And may the current Labour Party full of Marxist assorted fruitcake wannabe trots and self righteous lefty modern day misguided (hello masterson) never, ever, for the sake of all decent minded humanity ever gain power,

    For if they do, we are are all, well, and truly fucked beyond all recognition

  41. Phantom –

    The Tories can’t touch most of them. Labour saddled the NHS (i.e. the taxpayer) with long term PFI deals even state how much it costs staff to park their motors.

  42. Seems like normal service has resumed on ATW. It’s comforting to know in an ever changing world some things remain static.

  43. How do you turn a discussion of a national gesture of tribute to and respect for health workers into a pity party?

    That takes exceptional talent.

    ( ” but what about Trump ” )

  44. A question for our ATW American friends.

    I have just listened to an announcement on the TV form out government chief science officer..

    “Stay at home, don’t risk the lives of others”

    Is it the same in let’s say.. New York?

    Where it’s apparently okay to feel all self righteous and go out and about visiting local Chinese and Italian restaurants, to show support and solidarity with the local community?

  45. Phantom, on March 27th, 2020 at 8:09 PM Said:
    How do you turn a discussion of a national gesture of tribute to and respect for health workers into a pity party?
    That takes exceptional talent.
    ( ” but what about Trump ” )

    Says someone who is infected by TDS?

  46. That takes exceptional talent.

    Hmmmm?

    Exceptional talent…Phantom?

    Okay, I take that back.

    My bad.

  47. Phantom, on March 27th, 2020 at 8:18 PM Said:
    T

    ?

    Oooops!

    Oh no.

    It’s the end of days. phantom has made a typo.

  48. Phantom.

    Stop with at least trying to be human, a) it doesn’t suit you, b) your last one million attempts at humour have been a complete dead loss, and c) know your limitations.

  49. Seems like normal service has resumed on ATW.

    It never stopped. Phantom banged on about his president while ignoring the horrible culpability of New York Democrats in encouraging New Yorkers to “ignore coronavirus misinformation” and get out there and party on. I think Mahons missed that as well. The myopia is as contagious as the Chinese virus.

    Now Phantom comes up with a provocative post like this, one intended to divide. It’s been normal commie service all along. I tried to lay off, set an example, bring people together, all that. But no, it was all for nought.

  50. How is it divisive to praise health care workers dealing with an dangerous disease?

    Do you not praise them?

  51. Now Phantom comes up with a provocative post like this, one intended to divide. It’s been normal commie service all along. I tried to lay off, set an example, bring people together, all that. But no, it was all for nought

    Superb 🙂

    Phantom, don’t bite.

  52. I’m a little confused. (I feel like Biden). Phantom’s post seemed like a nice trans-Atlantic gesture to me!

  53. Sometime visitor Matt McCarthy is a primary care doctor in the Uk, he would be dealing with this, and he would merit our applause as well.

  54. Charles –

    Ok, I jest a bit. Front line NHS staff are working hard. Other people are working hard as well, but so are the two dozen front line NHS staff in among the one million NHS bureaucrats.

    And I genuinely admire them. Phantom accused me in the post (he meant me) of being cranky about doctors and nurses. I’m cranky about the institution, not the staff.

    The NHS (not the staff) is the last vestige of the attempted Sovietisation of the British people which happened under Clement Attlee’s disastrous government of 1946-51. The Attlee government collectivised maybe over a half of private British enterprise, including health services.

    The result is that by the late-70s the UK was (of course) a terrible socialist hellhole. Margaret Thatcher undid most of these errors. She freed the economy by returning it to private hands. But the NHS, which is a Stalinist construct, remains.

    I actually feel for the staff more than people like Phantom can imagine. They could do so much more for people, and do their jobs so much better, if only they weren’t tied to the same economic model which always leads to shortages and starvation.

    Mao and Stalin starved millions of food with collective ownership of food rationing. We are starved of healthcare because the same principles of collective ownership are applied to health care rationing,

  55. Pete

    It’s that dry as gin English humour of yours that I miss sometimes!

    The original bit of the post was clapping for the NHS. It’s obviously for the frontline workers who are exposing themselves to the virus, and not for the pinhead diversity officers who would faint at the sight of blood.

  56. Pete

    There is a genuine fondness among many average British to the NHS. Are they all dupes?

    A number of people here, including Dave and Paul, have spoken well of the care that they and their families have received from the NHS and its staff. Are they wrong?

    If the NHS model is so horrible, why does the average British person live significantly longer than the average American?

    The NHS covers everybody there, and doesn’t bankrupt any users AFAIK when doing so. Is not that a good thing?

  57. We’ve all wrestled with the way the NHS is run .Up till only recently the Tories hated the NHS . Now it truly is a one nation institution. Left and Right love the NHS.
    We want to improve it all the time .
    Pete forgets it’s a service like a charity it’s not a profit business like tescoes.
    They don’t mix . We know that and for all it’s faults the vast majority support it .
    The principle of care for all free at the point of delivery is a cherished one .
    Ofc models and delivery alter . Tony Blair used s combo of private and public finance . You have to . Just have to be careful that you make clear business is invited to bid but is under much stricter guidelines and practises because we don’t want to farm the whole darn thing out to the private sector .
    We fear that . We fear how people may or may not be treated in the ruthless models that money for profit can lead to .
    We just don’t wanna touch it with a barge pole .
    Cos it’ll never be the loved NHS we want it to be .

  58. I’m speaking for the 99% here . Pete is the 1% of malcontents who is mixing in a number of subjects here that undo his arguement .
    His visceral hatred for all things commie past present and future moulds and shapes his ideology but it also perverts and twists it to where his NHS is not a version I know or relate to . It’s the dogma of the purist do eager to scrap everything and destroy in order to change that is scary . It’s s form if fanaticism you find at play in Russia and Trump types but it’s as old as the hills . Both Stalin and Hitler practised it . A ruthless desire to make all things new .
    We know what happened then and we know what the fanaticism leads to.
    Get yer dirty hands of our NHS petem you supp with monsters who have alot of blood on their hands even though you don’t realise it .
    It’s the same shit just dressed in new clothes

  59. The beloved by British NHS should be criticized where warranted

    But the business model of the harshest critics of the NHS or the much more timid Obamacare is based on not covering a chunk of the population

    These guys never propose a plan that covers all because they don’t want to cover all.

    And yes those who demonize the NHS are seriously out of step with the British public.

  60. The NHS is imperfect but is cherished by the overwheling majority of those who have had it at their disposal in times of need.

  61. There is a genuine fondness among many average British to the NHS. Are they all dupes?

    Yes.

  62. I’m speaking for the 99% here . Pete is the 1% of malcontents who is mixing in a number of subjects here that undo his arguement .

    Economics does not care for public opinion.

    Chavez was a popular choice in Venezuela. Economics took no notice of public opinion.

  63. Any chance you’re the dope petem ?
    We have weighed it all in the balance and vote for it . But you the 1% know better.
    Folly
    The line between fanatics and fantasists is very slim dear chap

  64. We are not starved of healthcare. That is a ridiculous piece of hype and genuine criticism of the sclerotic Centralised nature of how the N H S is run an be made but not by Pete,s ridiculous claims that the U.K. is suffering from a Soviet style starvation health service.

  65. kurt and Colm are agreed that Our Tory NHS is fabulous.

    I’d better bookmark this thread.

  66. As a child I had a had a years hospitalisation for TB, broken bones mended, cuts stitched, a tonsilectomy, countless visits to my GP and all my children were born on the NHS and as I say above, the last point about my children made the years of National Insurance contributions worth it alone.

    And that’s just me, before we even start taking into account my immediate family, parents, siblings and children,

    It’s a treasure.

  67. As a child I had a had a years hospitalisation for TB, broken bones mended, cuts stitched, a tonsilectomy, countless visits to my GP and all my children were born on the NHS and as I say above, the last point about my children made the years of National Insurance contributions worth it alone.

    And that’s just me, before we even start taking into account my immediate family, parents, siblings and children,

    It’s a treasure.

    “And then I got better and shot the British bastards.”

    I mean, really.

  68. I’ve never shot a British bastard in my life Pete.

    When you give us an alternative to paying taxes to the British exchequer then we’ll stop using the services our monies contribute to.

  69. In the UK do royals and top politicians get special access to coronavirus testing? Did Charles and Boris get ahead of normal people with symptoms?

  70. It may even be that, as a general rule, the less you trust your public health system, the better your chances to survive Corona and other viruses. In Britain, for instance, the Government advised people who develop symptoms to self isolate and not to contact the NHS unless the respiratory situation seems to get out of control.

    At a time of crisis and particularly at a time of a crisis of such magnitude, an open scientific debate of the Athenian Agora nature that includes the exchanges with qualified skeptics and critics provide the only light at the end of the tunnel.

    Its the reversal of attitudes that is so disturbing. Hysteria has replaced judgment. Its the same lefty plague from the same foolish and evil people who have overturned society and morality and opposes Brexit and worship the EU, the same disgusting virtue signallers who glorify the NHS.

    Those who control the media and state institutions should be severely culled.

  71. New Yorker

    Of course top politicians , ‘celebrities’ the rich and the well connected will get access to tests that regular folk can’t reach. Would it be different in any other country ?

  72. It may even be that, as a general rule, the less you trust your public health system, the better your chances to survive Corona and other viruses. In Britain, for instance, the Government advised people who develop symptoms to self isolate and not to contact the NHS unless the respiratory situation seems to get out of control

    Yeah sure, if you’ve got a sore throat and the sniffles it’s much more intelligent to go to a place like an A&E admissions room which is full of illnesses and overwhelm the system than stay at home. Or indeed, if you have got mild Corona symptoms just don’t stay at home and carry on as normal going outside and spreading this highly contagious virus as much as possible. If you’re lucky maybe you can ‘help some of the old and infirm on their way’

    Bizzarre. Political contrariness for the sake of being contrary.

    lefty plague
    foolish and evil people
    disgusting virtue signallers who glorify the NHS

    Wow, seldom have I seen such misanthropy expressed in such blatant terms.

  73. Djaym’s 11:20am comment has to be one of this most absurd delusional opinions expressed on this topic so far on ATW . Here’s sceptical and then there is just nonsense like that.

  74. Colm

    “Of course top politicians , ‘celebrities’ the rich and the well connected will get access to tests that regular folk can’t reach. Would it be different in any other country ?” In the US friends of Trump and some athletes have had special access. I think it is wrong: I believe testing should have been strictly on need, ie, those with symptoms. It makes a farce out of government statements like ‘we are all in this together’ when clearly we are not. What happens when a vaccine, which may be of a,limited amount at first, is developed – will there be a special access line for that as well?

    I don’t know if special access is the case for all countries. Perhaps some of our commentators know what the case is in Scandinavian countries, Germany, etc.

  75. I don’t know if special access is the case for all countries. Perhaps some of our commentators know what the case is in Scandinavian countries, Germany, etc.

    Check out what Sweden are doing.

  76. Harri

    I have read what Sweden is doing with their largely voluntary self-distancing and isolation but not what they are doing on testing. Have you read an article on Sweden and testing that you can link?

  77. Dear Harri

    Thank you. It is an excellent site.

    On testing it states: “The healthcare services in Sweden prioritise the following groups:
    +Hospitalised patients
    +People that work in healthcare or elderly care, with suspected COVID-19.
    The aim with this priority is to protect those that are most vulnerable and most exposed for the virus.”

    The Swedes are an astute and admirable people. I hope their strategy succeeds.

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