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We ALL know that there is scientific consensus on the causes of climate change. Right? Wrong.

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  1. great ! problem solved so (or no problem at all).

    I shall celebrate this tremendous development by leaving all the light bulbs on at home for 24h.

  2. David, you’re wrong. Of the five Japanese scientists who co-wrote the report linked, one of them supports the MMGW theory which means that the other four are ‘deniers’ whose opinions don’t count. Therefore, there is still a consensus.

  3. Isn’t this the great thing about science? Isn’t this how science moves us on. Just as soon as some one says one thing, someone else says something else. So their counter claims can be tested and validated. If they are right, then the model changes. If they are wrong, then the model persists.
    No one is saying the model is perfect, but this is how you improve it.
    I would say that this is not quite as earth-shattering as it may seem. This is a very small group, at least one of whom (Akasofu) is well known as an AGW skeptic. That doesn’t mean they are wrong – after all it only needs one person to be right – but he is well known in AGW circles (they talk of little else round my way) for not being terribly keen on the idea.
    But much more importantly it doesn’t affect the need – if only under the cautionary principle – to take action. I keep coming back to the point that there is a huge disparity between the consequences of action and inaction. If AGW is up there with "the earth is flat" then what are the deleterious effects of taking action? Compare this with if AGW is proven, what are the consequences of inaction?

    Oh – presumably Mr Pete Moore will disregard this research as fatally compromised as well as the Japan Society of Energy and Resources is funded by government and industry.

  4. where’s frank He’ll have the ones saying it’s not man made sleeping with sheep (much like Jaz)

    The Earths Climate is caused by the Sun and the Earths eratic orbit.

    Only man in his arrogance can convince himself that by adding or decreasing less than one percent of the atmosphere he can change the climate

  5. He’ll have the ones saying it’s not man made sleeping with sheep (much like Jaz)
    What on earth are you talking about? You have completely lost me I am afraid. I have never mentioned sheep.

    Only man in his arrogance can convince himself that by adding or decreasing less than one percent of the atmosphere he can change the climate
    And you know this how exactly?

  6. This commentary from an actual climate scientist who is actually in Japan and indeed actually cited by the documents on JSER may help to clear it up for you.

    Emori-san apart, the other 4 participants in the farce have no background in climate science, and instead a history of scepticism. Kusano, the one puffed by The Register as "Program Director" here (well, next door in the Earth Simulator Centre) has indeed been (over)promoted to that status but in scientific terms appears to be a bit of a nobody and will certainly not be known to many climate scientists. He is one of the prime movers behind the waste of money I referred to here. Akasofu certainly used to be prominent in his own field of solar science, but went emeritus some time ago, and Itoh and the other one are budding sceptics in the local scene, one a geologist and the other a chemist, again with no climate science connections though that didn’t stop one of them writing a book with the title "Lies and Traps in the Global Warming Affairs” (Japanese).
    […]
    Fundamentally it’s just a bit of random non-scientific quackery from the local sceptics, who seem to have grown in prominence recently here. As usual, Japan is decades behind the rest of the world in socio-political development 🙂 The Register seems puzzled that it’s been ignored, but this is surely the kindest fate. I hope they didn’t waste too much money on the translation.

    http://julesandjames.blogspot.com/2009/02/much-ado-about-nothing.html

  7. that was good Jimmy..lol

    Jaz lighten up, In franks world if you don’t believe in man made global warming you fornicate with sheep!

    What I know and you can look it up the co2 gas that we all are spazing over is only point 7 of one percent of the atmosphere. Jesus there is more Argon in the atmosphere than man made co2

    see and Frank proves my point by once again ranting that anyone that does not believe the sky is falling is a fraud and a charliton…lol

  8. Mahons/Frank explain to me how with all the mistakes in data reporting that Hansen and others have had to admit to in the last year

    and the fact that the earth has been cooling for the last 9 years, that only the "scientists" that believe man is responsible are correct and the rest are just cranks

  9. Troll,

    "What I know and you can look it up the co2 gas that we all are spazing over is only point 7 of one percent of the atmosphere."

    And since water is just .02% of the earth’s mass you must think that is irrelevant to climate and perhaps life itself too. After all the test you apply is just ‘does this number sound small’?

    Or since you probably prefer pictures, you can "know and look up" this. As you can see there is too little air and water to matter to anything at all and it is simply"man’s arrogance" to think that those things could be relevant to climate, or indeed anything.

  10. Troll – explain to you? You must be joking. You think we need a Berlin Wall on the Rio Grande, that every non-Jew in the Middle East is an Enemy and that McCain is a traitor & coward. I’d rather just laugh.

  11. Frank you get crazier by the day

    Mahons you just don’t have the balls to either admit you have no idea what your talking about or the cognative ability to format it into reasonable argument

  12. PS a Berlin wall kept people in We need one to keep people out, McCain is a traitor to the constitution but I never called him a coward

    And I demand you post the post where I did or admit you tend to foam at the mouth and babble out your ass

  13. Troll,

    "Frank you get crazier by the day"

    Since it was your argument I was using, that should tell you something about how you come over to others.

  14. Frank, I often ponder just why offer any resistance to their continual onslaught of psychotic lies. Then I remember that you represent the Hastati in the defence of science against such attacks. And for that you should be commended much more often that you are. Without the likes of you there would be more energy from the ‘Skeptics’ to really attempt an assault on not just AGW, but on the ramparts of science in general.

    Just a word of encouragement, and to remind you that many of us know why you persist. I read your blog for the first time in quite a while, you should get off the bike (save your spine) and write a little more. Also, What is your background? I see that you are/were a developer, do you still work in a related field? ie in software but not just at the coal face of sandbox and compiler.

  15. tonights forcast dark, continued dark with widely scattered light at dawn

    The only accurate forecast you’ll ever get

  16. Troll – In my limited research I could only find that you called McCain a failure as a fighter pilot, a man who broke under torture when others didn’t, a failure as a soldier, a scumball and a man who was "broken" and then "turned" by the North Vietnamese to attack our freedoms. Obviously I was wrong and you consider him a hero and not a coward.

  17. >>In my limited research I could only find that you called McCain a failure as a fighter pilot<<

    You missed the bit where he called him a traitor.

  18. I said and believe all those things but as you and noel just proved I never called him a coward

  19. I said and believe all those things but as you and noel just proved I never called him a coward

    Sorry, duno why, but this Simpson quote came to mind.

    My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

    I quote in jest

  20. DT,

    "Then I remember that you represent the Hastati "

    Cheers – mind you I had to google that. It seems they are the ones in the front who are issued with wooden swords and get creamed. lol.

    "What is your background? I see that you are/were a developer, do you still work in a related field? ie in software but not just at the coal face of sandbox and compiler."

    I come from a programming background but specialised in security programming and these days the day job is security reviews and consultancy, I don’t write code there I just diss it. I still keep my hand in with programming though.

  21. Cheers – mind you I had to google that. It seems they are the ones in the front who are issued with wooden swords and get creamed. lol.

    They usually had small metal swords a shield and two or three small finely tipped metal spears that bent upon impact, creating a barb for wounds or to prevent reuse by your enemy. They were the first elite* avant guard. I think the peasant ranks got the wooden swords (poor sods).

    * In the sense that they were a trained and relatively well armed formation. I choose the analogy because they are among the first to ‘get creamed’ and had to buy their own equipment. They were also indispensible, in that they wore down or stalled any frontal assault. I have too much time on my hands 😐

    I come from a programming background but specialised in security programming and these days the day job is security reviews and consultancy, I don’t write code there I just diss it. I still keep my hand in with programming though.

    Im one of the people you guys love to hate then. Software QA. Though, I dont do any testing myself now. I just do strategy, process, design and have often thought about going the consultancy route. My current company had no sensible QA process (which means worse than none) so it was quite a job reorganising it. Infact I have to go into the office tomorrow for the first time in weeks and explain why a peice of software failed. Its going to get interesting, because I was the only person out of a dozen who gave a caveat to launching the product. No prizes for guessing where it failed.

    If you ever need any QA advice gimme a shout on my gmail teebee303.

  22. Mahons,

    Tell you what – you get the IPCC to check their sources, then I’ll check mine. Seriously.

  23. Thought I’d warm up this global warming thread for a minute or two.

    An Oz friend of mine just sent me this link to the Breathing Earth.

    Totally engrossing, no matter where you stand on MMGW.

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