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Obama was hailed by the MSM as the first “post racial” President of the US. Of course since ascending to the throne he hasn’t stopped talking about race ever since.

 

President Obama said Friday that Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 16-year-old shot dead last year, could have been him as a young man. ‘You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me, 35 years ago,’

Obama said in a surprise appearance in the White House briefing room.  Speaking for the first time about the outcome of the Trayvon Martin case, Obama said black Americans feel pain over George Zimmerman’s acquittal for Martin’s murder because of a history of racism that ‘doesn’t go away.’

I guess blacks also feel the pain caused to blacks by  black on black murder , 94% of them, I understand. Also, when we are it, I wonder did these black Americans that Obama relates with feel the pain of many other folks when OJ got off with murder? Or is it selective pain based on racial stereotype? What do you think?

As was pointed out last year when he was doing a bit more “post racial” race hustling…

” He has not said a single critical word about the outrageous actions of the New Black Panthers, who offered a $10,000 bounty on George Zimmerman–the same New Black Panthers on whose behalf Eric Holder quashed a federal criminal prosecution; or of Spike Lee, who tweeted a wrong address for Zimmerman, presumably to facilitate harassment or even murder; or of the many liberals who have posted on the @killzimmerman Twitter feed; or of the many other Democrats and liberals who have indulged in an orgy of hate with respect to Mr. Zimmerman. President Obama’s interest in the victims of violence is selective: he cares if they look like the hypothetical son he doesn’t have..”

That’s what this comes down to. For a man who promised to move the US away from race, Obama seems fixated on it.

 

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187 thoughts on “THE FIRST POST RACIAL PRESIDENT RACE HUSTLES A BIT MORE

  1. For a man who promised to move the US away from race

    No-one could accuse Rightworld of making that promise.

  2. black Americans feel pain over George Zimmerman’s acquittal for Martin’s murder because of a history of racism that ‘doesn’t go away.’

    that is a horrible comment.

    Whether you are black or not, you should care about racism

    Is a black person not capable of coming to the conclusion that there was no murder?

    Did he really come out with this guff?

  3. I read the entire statement. While nothing in and of itself was overly objectionable I think in total it was quite a mistake. It really was pandering. it also undermines his much better initial response to the verdict. These comments undermine that response and undermine the respect that should be given to the verdict.

    In addition there was no basis for inserting his opinion on the case in this manner. Quite a poor performance and rather than helping matters I believe he has just made them worse.

  4. “Obama said black Americans feel pain over George Zimmerman’s acquittal for Martin’s murder because of a history of racism that ‘doesn’t go away.’”

    Dem crackers are racist!

  5. I was quite impressed with Obama when he appeared on the scene but that is well beyond the Pale.

  6. Aileen – He is suggesting that a reaction based simply upon race is understandable. The Martin case was not The Scottsboro boys or the attack on Civil Rights marchers in Selma. He has in my opinion just made a difficult issue more difficult with his comments this afternoon.

  7. Mahons
    He is supposed to have said “black americans feel pain ….” not even “some black americans …”. Are no black people capable of making judgements based on the merits of a case?

    He is either saying that the verdict was wrong, which he should not be doing or he is saying that black americans are so twisted that they feel pain because a man wasn’t unjustly convicted of murder.

  8. I think there is nothing wrong with what he said. He is acknowledging a controversial but real viewpoint about the fraught racial history of the US and the view that the killing of Trayvon was not taken seriously by the authorities with all the resonance that has to the trivialisation of black people killed in the past. Of course it can be argued that 2013 is not 1963 or 1863 but neither is that history forgotten when polarising events like this take place today.

  9. Hey guys

    Surely you know by now that there is no such thing as white racism? Get with the programme.

  10. Colm

    “He is acknowledging a controversial but real viewpoint”

    He is doing more than that he is saying that that is the viewpoint of black america. Are black americans not capable of making up their minds as individuals about what they think or feel? Ascribing an opinion to people based on race is inherently racist. Implying that people will assume Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence based on their own race is insulting.

  11. Surely you know by now that there is no such thing as white racism?

    There is, and I hope that there are many more whites than just me who are aware of the rights that white peoples have to their own homelands just as other racial groups have to theirs. ‘Racism’ is simply putting one’s own people first in one’s own homeland whilst offering decent courtesies to temporary visitors from elsewhere. That is pretty much as I saw in India and China.

  12. “Surely you know by now that there is no such thing as white racism?”

    Fortunately there is, and in the end it’ll be all that can save our descendents.

  13. //He is supposed to have said “black americans feel pain ….” //

    But he didn’t. And I think that we should all know by now that what you read here is only what comes out of the ATW distortion box.

    What he was trying to do – plainly when you hear him speak – was calm down the situation and the controversy over this case. He was explaining why there was such a reaction in the Black community.
    What he said was “There is a lot of pain within the Afro-American community”, which is obviously a fact. He explained why this reaction happens as it does. He told how young black males are often unfairly suspected of crime simply because of how they look. He gave some good, and clearly true, examples of how they are watched and followed when going about thier normal lives, and how over time this naturally leads to great resentment. He mentioned how it used to happen him too before he became famous.

    He also explained why this happens, and that young black males were disproportionately involved in crime – both as perpetrators and victims.

    All of this is of course ignored in posts and comments that are blinded by either their anti-Obama or an anti-black agenda.

  14. Aileen

    Of course there is Black racism. It was most clearly expressed in the reaction of many lack people to the outcome of the OJ Simpson trial. They wanted him to get off and didn’t really care if he had murdered his wife and her friend. The same reaction is true amongst many right wingers and non-black racists who actually didn’t really care about the circumstances of Trayvon’s death, they just wanted Zimmerman to be acquitted regardless.

  15. Talk to a white person who grew up in a black neighborhood in NYC Chicago or Philly and they’ll tell you how much fun that experience was.

  16. Colm

    and ascribing a view to black americans by a black man is black racism. (Of course Obama is mixed race not black)

  17. Phantom

    You can talk to this white person who has grown up in a part of London that is mostly non-white and yet I haven’t been ‘oppressed’ by my black neighbours. It is not a given that everyone’s experiences will be the same or that all single race majority communities will behave badly to others of smaller numbers.

  18. Aileen

    If Obama had said ALL lack Americans feel the same way then you would have a point, but he didn’t.

  19. Colm have you trouble with your b’s?

    If someone says “black people are thick”, do you take that to be just some?

  20. Aileen

    Actually there is trouble with the b key on my board. I have to remember to press it harder for it to register.

    Obama was referring to a palpable and significant opinion within the black population. He wasn’t claiming something that doesn’t exist and yes there is a difference between the single bold statement you mention above which is clearly designed to be a reference to all black people and Obama’s use of the same generic reference “Black Americans, which was designed to refer to an opinion arising within that community in general as oppose to the single view of all Black Americans. Phrases don’t always have to be taken literally.

  21. yes there is a difference between the single bold statement you mention above which is clearly designed to be a reference to all black people and Obama’s use of the same generic reference

    no they are both statements about “black people” (or “black people” and “black americans”)

    Phrases don’t always have to be taken literally.

    as in what the words mean.

  22. Words mean what most speakers of a language take them to mean, not necessarily what is written in a dictionary or what a literal interpretation would say they mean. In fact, a language wouldn’t work if sentences were always interpreted literally.
    Failing to recognise that is a mistake you make again and again, Aileen.

    For example, the sentences “Italians like their pasta” or “Sinn Fein supporters want a united Ireland” are understood as meaning “most” or “generally”, and that is accordingly what they mean.

    Obama also never said “Black Americans feel pain…” as misquoted above.

  23. Fortunately there is, and in the end it’ll be all that can save our descendents.

    Pete Moore

    Please explain.

  24. Peter –

    I’m sure you understand. That was in response to your clearly sarcastic comment that “Surely you know by now that there is no such thing as white racism? Get with the programme.”

    There certainly is white racism, and a jolly good thing too, though generally it is not as visceral as black racism in our lands. Whites are vastly outnumbered globally, and white women of child-bearing age number only about 3 per cent of humanity. They are therefore an incredibly precious resource. As non-white aliens colonise our lands, they are in increasing danger, putting the future of our people in peril.

    Only racism can save our descendents, but we must be honest and wake up to the threat.

  25. From extinction. White women who are not racist will ‘mix it’ – see this video to grasp the meaning:

    White women who are not inclined to ‘mix it’ with black men will produce white children who would wish to continue to remain white. Such desire by a dwindling number of whites to remain racially homogeneous is termed ‘racism’ yet the survival of the white race depends upon it.

  26. Got it Allan. Fourteen words blah blah blah.

    Don’t know if you have children Allan but (hypothetical question) if you have and one of your kids started going out with a person from a different racial / Jewish background and that person loved and made your child happy how would you feel?

  27. Course if you read Pete or Allan you think the President might have understated things.

  28. After watching Noel’s link to the entire statement, I’m in full agreement with his 11:07 assessment of Obama’s intent and tenor.

    I didn’t find the president’s tenor or words racist or racially biased, he merely acknowledged the reality and perceptions of many black americans.

    Of course Obama identifies as black – our society would see him no other way but as a black man. America hasn’t quite reached MLK’s dream of judging a man merely by the content of his character, we still make all sorts of snap judgements based solely on ethnic and racial identifiers.

    My eldest is half not-white. While he feels completely comfortable in both worlds and identifies as a man with full heritage in two distinct cultural and racial backgrounds, society sees him as nothing but Hispanic.

    He’s been racially profiled by our suburban police dozens of times, pulled over and searched for no discernible reason. We call it driving while brown in the wealthy white part of town. A new acquaintance at one of our dinner parties assumed my son was the the help. I would have forgiven her thoughtless mistake if she hadn’t spoken to him with such entitled derision.

    To deny that racism adversely affects people of color in western societies by a disproportionate measure is an act of blatant dishonesty or delusional willfulness. To describe someone speaking in a deliberate manner about this evident awareness and resentment (as Obama did) as a racist, race baiting, racially divisive opportunist is nothing more than partisan demagoguery.

    I don’t care for many of my president’s political goals, but I don’t like seeing him smeared by people who have nothing serious to offer other than irrational hatred of the man.

  29. your all dupes eating cotton candy propaganda

    How did Houdini make an elephant disappear? “distract the view of the audience”

  30. Excellent comment Daphne. The idiocy and stupidity of Pete and Allan’s comments should embarrass them and can be summed up by Allan’s brainless comment about White women wanting children who they “wish to remain white”. Does Allan think some sort of African voodoo magic is going to turn white babies black overnight !

  31. What a load of tosh. If “our descendants” are not all white they are still all” our descendants”. Even if All “our descendants” were non white how does that equate to extinction?

    Uber-racism being non white means you are not only inferior, you do not exist.

    Actually the more you mix the gene pool the more resilient you make the results.

  32. //brainless comment about White women wanting children who they “wish to remain white”. //

    Actually it was the children who “wish to continue to remain white”.

    Although when I see children playing in the garden, with their pets or with a lump of chocolate, it’s clear that the whiteness of their skin is the least of their concerns.

  33. Noel

    They don’t need to be concerned about the whiteness of their skins. They have dear old Uncles Pete and Allen doing the worrying for them 😉

  34. The children who are born of white women who wish their children to look like themselves and their ancestors will probably wish to continue their lineage in the manner of their white parents. White women who wish to ‘mix it’ simply leave the white race and produce children who bear no resemblance to them or any of their forebears. It’s their choice, and the white race is better off without them as they succumbed easily to the multi-culti nonsense which is intended to end the dominance of white people in the very lands to which whites are either indigenous (Europe and much of northern Asia) or in countries created by whites – North America, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Australia, New Zealand.

    Racial extinction is quite easily engineered. Simply introduce into the recipient population a violent race which breeds indiscriminately and encourage the indigenous females to miscegenate because, after all, it’s good to be ‘non-racist’. Within 50 years, the indigenous white population will become a minority and the progress and inventiveness conferred on humanity by its most ingenious race is lost forever.

  35. White women who wish to ‘mix it’ simply leave the white race

    Oh it just gets better. Your race is something you can leave 😀

  36. Allan

    I don’t know how to put this any more simply. If someone wants to make sure their children are white they simply have to make sure they only have sex with white partners. It isn’t rocket science. There is no compulsion to have sex with anyone you don’t want to.

  37. They don’t need to be concerned about the whiteness of their skins.

    They probably should on days like this. I’m with Billy Connelly on the issue. He says being from Scotland he is blue. It takes two weeks of sunbathing to go white. 🙂

  38. Colm

    If someone wants to make sure their children are white they simply have to make sure they only have sex with white partners.

    What if the someone is black? 😉

  39. That’s it Aileen. Another conspiracy theory exposed. I’m surprised Allan didn’t mention it first. The heatwave is obviously just another nefarious method by the multi-cultural brigade to ‘de-whiten’ the native populace 🙂

  40. //The children who are born of white women who wish their children to look like themselves and their ancestors //

    Believe me, I’ve only got my children’s interests at heart when I don’t wish them to look like their ancestors and certainly not like me.

    But I do jealously cultivate their sense of humour according to my taste, I must admit.

  41. It seems to me implicit in some of the comments here is the idea that somehow being and remaining white is nowhere near as important as showing other people “of colour” that you are so-oo NOT RACIST that you will stick up for/defend/admire/apologise to everyone else in order to prove it.
    My experience of living in a multicultural area is that there is a big difference between relating to an individual of a different background and being accepted by their community – or them yours. This relates again to the thing Paul and I mentioned about being a stranger as the Jews often were in European countries.

    So given that although the white Western world has its fair share of criminals, rapists, paedophiles and politicians,
    nevertheless the rest of the world seems to think enough of us and our achievements to either emulate us or want to come live within our borders.

    Why is that folks?

    I have said before that the main trend of world emigration is not to Africa or India or China; it is to white Western societies. And like it or not in the main all the (especially African) countries which have thrown off their white, Imperialist oppressors have either struggled or declined.

    I state this not as a white supremacist, but as an ordinary White English Joe watching what is happening in his own country, across Europe and even the United States.
    What is so wrong with being White that some can view our possible demise with equanimity?

  42. Agit8ed

    Do you not see the real danger ?. As someone who has passionately defended the Jewish people can you not realise that it is precisely the ‘race classification’ views of the likes of Allan and Pete that is the far more miserable threat to humanity than anything else. The greatest amount of suffering on this planet has been caused by such narrow dehumanisation of people, the view that herds them into categories and treats them all purely by that racial/religious/ethnic singularity. People are individuals and every single damn one of us should be viewed by the totality of the many factors that identify us.

    It does not matter a damn that the White/Black/Chinese etc. race survives. That is not and should not be the criteria that measures human contentment. It matters that civility and decent behaviour is cultivated by each of us towards each of our neighbours and that when we look at the new child that is brought into our family/circle of friends/ neighbourhood we wonder only about his health and happiness and not what racial make up he has.

  43. It does not matter a damn that the White/Black/Chinese etc. race survives. That is not and should not be the criteria that measures human contentment. It matters that civility and decent behaviour is cultivated by each of us towards each of our neighbours and that when we look at the new child that is brought into our family/circle of friends/ neighbourhood we wonder only about his health and happiness and not what racial make up he has.

    Great stuff Colm 🙂

    I would qualify it by saying that it doesn’t matter a damn if any specific race survives as long as its demise (and we are talking about the demise of a race not killing people) occurs naturally and not through slaughter or starvation etc. Although that would still be the slaughter or starvation that matters most.

  44. “It does not matter a damn that the White/Black/Chinese etc. race survives.”

    Of course it does.

    It matters culturally, economically and it matters for quality of life. If the craven multiculties get their way, life will one day be brutal for everyone.

  45. Colm,

    I see a danger in ideas of white supremacists or religious zealots who are so convinced of their cause they are willing to kill or persecute or denigrate others.
    I do not see a danger in ensuring that your own race, its history, its culture and achievements are protected and preserved.

    As I have said here many many times, human beings are tribal. We take our sense of belonging and identity from our birth roots. We feel comfortable surrounded by the familiar and the recognisable.
    If you don’t accept that, take a look around the world, even the UK and see how the various distinctive communities tend to stay…..within their communities, because it is within their communities they can relax.
    There is no such a thing as multiculturalism unless you mean by that different communities living on the same piece of land and interacting in schools, jobs on the buses and trains.
    We even have our own Asian football league that no one seems to want to interact with!
    It’s a nonsense. I was just reading this in today’s paper..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2370625/Drunken-Brits-angry-Muslims-Med-resort-thats-frontline-culture-war.html

    Those Turkish people should not have to put up with this sort of behaviour from young British people out to get trashed etc.. Imv they have every right to kick these kids out of their country back to where they came from.
    It’s called “Culture Clash” Colm, and I would defend those Turkish Muslims’ right to live their lives in peace and dignity.
    Why?
    Because it’s THEIR country and their culture.
    The Chinese, Japanese, Africans and Arabs have no desire to let go their histories and cultures, why should we?
    Lastly,

    ” It matters that civility and decent behaviour is cultivated by each of us towards each of our neighbours and that when we look at the new child that is brought into our family/circle of friends/ neighbourhood we wonder only about his health and happiness and not what racial make up he has.

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    Agit8ed, on July 20th, 2013 at 1:40 PM Said:

    Colm,
    I see a danger in ideas of white supremacists or religious zealots who are so convinced of their cause they are willing to kill or persecute or denigrate others.

    I do not see a danger in ensuring that your own race, its history, its culture and achievements are protected and preserved.
    As I have said here many many times, human beings are tribal. We take our sense of belonging and identity from our birth roots. We feel comfortable surrounded by the familiar and the recognisable.
    If you don’t accept that, take a look around the world, even the UK and see how the various distinctive communities tend to stay…..within their communities, because it is within their communities they can relax.
    There is no such a thing as multiculturalism unless you mean by that different communities living on the same piece of land and interacting in schools, jobs on the buses and trains.
    We even have our own Asian football league that no one seems to want to interact with!

    It’s a nonsense. I was just reading this in today’s paper..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2370625/Drunken-Brits-angry-Muslims-Med-resort-thats-frontline-culture-war.html
    Those Turkish people should not have to put up with this sort of behaviour from young British people out to get trashed etc.. Imv they have every right to kick these kids out of their country back to where they came from.
    It’s called “Culture Clash” Colm, and I would defend those Turkish Muslims’ right to live their lives in peace and dignity.
    Why?
    Because it’s THEIR country and their culture.
    The Chinese, Japanese, Africans and Arabs have no desire to let go their histories and cultures, why should we?

    Lastly,

    “That is not and should not be the criteria that measures human contentment. It matters that civility and decent behaviour is cultivated by each of us towards each of our neighbours and that when we look at the new child that is brought into our family/circle of friends/ neighbourhood we wonder only about his health and happiness and not what racial make up he has.”

    But civility, decent behaviour, health and happiness according to WHO’s culture Colm, and based on what cultural/religious values?
    Someone has to decide what values will be applied to your all inclusive society. Where will they get them from? Which religion or culture will all agree to?

  46. Aileen

    There is also no such thing as a race demising (excepting through genocide), unless by some strange and weird phenomenon, every single adult member of that race suddenly decides not to have any children, which as far as I know has never happened in history.

    I find such talk of ‘defending our race’ and regarding other races as inferior degrading, disgusting and shamefull, and while I know Allan is perfectly proud to identify himself in such a way, others here who have spoken in such terms should be embarrassed.

  47. Very well said, Colm. Every word a sermon.

    I’d like to think every ethnic group in the world will continue, the same as I’d like to see every language etc. survive.

    There’s also a great, let’s call it for simplicity sake, European tradition, that I’d also like to see continuing. I don’t know if it could continue if Europeans were to be replaced by other people.
    The big danger, however, is that that tradition will be destroyed by the needs and inclinations of modern life, more than by any Immigration.

  48. Colm –

    No you don’t. You delude yourself because your mind is soaked in cultural Marxist drivel. You been surrounded by it since birth and try to act in ways that you think will please your peers.

    Noel Cunningham –

    Why do you doubt that this European tradition could survive if Europeans are replaced?

  49. Agit8ed

    I do not think that all cultures/religions/traditions are equal. I have no problem with being proud of the general liberal enlightened European ethos that has developed over the centuries. The way in which Christianity has developed in Western countries to operate with a much greater secular freedom is in my opinion superior to the much more dominant intolerance of religous dissent that is the norm in most Islamic countries and yes we should be proud and confident enough to defend that civilising culture.

    My argument here is purely about the attitude of viewing and judging individuals purely by racial identity and treating them accordingly. That is completely separate from believing in certain values and rules and being proud of your country’s achievements history and culture. Judging behaviour and achievement is perfectly acceptable. Judging by race is not.

  50. Colm

    There is also no such thing as a race demising (excepting through genocide), unless by some strange and weird phenomenon, every single adult member of that race suddenly decides not to have any children, which as far as I know has never happened in history.

    A race could “demise” through interracial breeding. (The earth may not last long enough to let it happen) The “mixed race” pool is getting bigger and bigger. To some this is a problem. If in 100 years 95 % of the UK population has non white ancestry, it doesn’t matter if it has happened naturally. (Which has nothing to to with immigration arguments). Our race doesn’t need defending. It doesn’t need to survive, People need defending. Different racial mixtures may evolve,

    “Pure” races can only be defended artifically (unless by some strange fluke).
    I hope different traditions and cultures survive. They are not race dependant

    If Joe and Jo Bloggs produce a dynasty that has 1000 living in 500 years then their people have survived and flourished – whether they are all “white” or all mixed race.

  51. Colm,
    but I am judging those young Brits in Marmaris by standards considered old fashioned or laughable by many people today. Christian values.

    I am a proud great uncle to a little six month old girl half Spanish, half English. Her Dad recently got himself a job as a technician in a college. I am torn by my belief that a British person should have had that job, and admiration that the little girls daddy has enough about him to want to work. The little girl is absolutely gorgeous, she has had a tough start to life (premature), and I rather fancy she has the same misshapen ears as myself…

    But do I want to see this country filled with Spaniards, Greeks, Poles, Albanians etc?
    No. I would have preferred it to remain similar to best of the country I was born into.

    Of course one judges and is judged by one’s behaviour, but my caution is that the more communities you have living cheek by jowl the more likely you are to cause offence or be offended, feel ill at ease or out of place.
    Now you could argue that I am then judging all the people of another community without knowing them.
    But why SHOULD I have to know them? Why in my own country, SHOULD I have to accept different cultures and be told that they are equal to mine?
    Just as those Turkish Muslims should not have to put up with our boorish, mindless, ignorant kids who only want to get pissed.

    So ultimately my point is that as a Christian I accept the dignity of all, I try to be friendly to all (outside of ATW 😉 )respect the differences between us, and will try to share my faith with them if possible.
    I don’t condemn people for being different, but I do recognise that too much intermixing means something’s gotta give.

  52. ….regarding other races as inferior degrading, disgusting and shamefull, and while I know Allan is perfectly proud to identify himself in such a way…

    Colm – either you are a liar or you didn’t understand what I wrote at 11.01pm on 19th July: it’s one or the other. But your phrase below:

    Judging behaviour and achievement is perfectly acceptable. Judging by race is not.

    invites comment. Have a look at this list of physicists:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_physicists

    As you shall notice, they are predominantly white with an occasional Indian, Persian or oriental – and there is one black to my knowledge. The correlation between being white and having the intelligence to be an accomplished physicist is indisputable. At the bottom end, the correlation between black and criminality is equally indisputable but I invite you to dispute it nonetheless. As for those who believe that race either doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter, consider language which develops from the race (compare the complexity of mandarin with the backwardness of ‘ebonics’)

    There is only one language—the human language. Vile linguistic bigots may try to pretend that English, Chinese and Navajo are somehow separate “languages”, but they merely reveal their own ignorance and stupidity. Far more unites these three meaning-delivery systems than divides them. They all use vowels and consonants, they all have ways of referring to the past, present and future, of expressing negation and hypothesis, of capturing the world and its complexities. The differences between meaning-delivery systems are so small, the similarities so vast, that we can reach only one conclusion: Language does not exist.

  53. //Why do you doubt that this European tradition could survive if Europeans are replaced?//

    It’s difficult to explain, but basically because a lot of these things – I’m talking about everything from art to the political tradition and the general way of doing things – have evolved with many links to specific place and time in our common experience. A lot of Europeans are – or should be – aware of these links, and that helps consolidate them in people’s minds and hearts.

    If there were a gradual intake of immigrants over time, and specifically if they identified with their host country and its traditions, it wouldn’t make much difference. But I can’t see the same acceptance of the tradition if the influx were large and sudden.

    I certainly don’t want to bring Ireland into this debate; it serves here only as illustration.
    There were many different ethnic groups arriving and incorporated over the centuries – Scandinavians, Norman French, the first Anglo Saxons etc. Each in time adopted the ways of the host population (usually because they were treated as the same Paddies by the next wave of conquerors). Today, Irish people play diddlee-dee music and learn Irish even if they were, for the sake of argument, to come from purely Norman stock. The differences dissappeared over time and the culture survived.

    In 17th C Ulster, on the other hand, the new influx was sudden and vast. More importantly, the new arrivals didn’t recognise the native culture; in fact they considered their position and status and prosperity to depend on ethnic and cultural differences being maintained.

    We know how that worked out.
    In the modern world, immigration is part of globalisation, and that means that the cultural values of a specific place are giving way to something new. Some things are gained, but many good things are being lost. As I said, globalisation in general will probably do the job by itself, but mass and rapid immigration will accelerate it.

  54. Agit8ed – Your racial superiority claims are anti-Christian. Some come down off your cross and stop pretending you are God’s other son.

    No one, and I mean no one, creates more atheists than some self-professed white Chrisitian blabbing on about how Christian they are and how inferior those that don’t share that race or religion.

  55. Allan – You’ve commented here thousands of times. Usually lies, infantile conspiracy theories and mouth-breathing mongoloid-like variations on ancient bigotry retreads. Spare us your nonsense directed at Colm.

  56. ” come down off your cross and stop pretending you are God’s other son. ”

    I thought you had long ago assumed that role

    Or did you opt for Pompous Pilate?

  57. No you don’t. You delude yourself because your mind is soaked in cultural Marxist drivel. You been surrounded by it since birth and try to act in ways that you think will please your peers

    Thank Odin & the Norse Gods that we have people to remind us that tolerance is really Marxist social control.

  58. Is the Christian doctrine that we are all made in God’s image not contradictory when viewed in terms of different races?

  59. Not different races Paul.
    Different religions.
    Or more accurately from a Christian viewpoint, there is only one way to reconciliation to God and that is through Jesus Christ, not the priest.

    Have you so forgotten your Catholic culture that it was God who introduced diversification?

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+11%3A1-9&version=NIV

    btw
    I say this because I can read the Bible;
    not as God’s “other” son…

    😉

  60. Not different races Paul.
    Different religions

    Eh?

    If we are all made in God’s image how can God look like someone from Africa, Aisia 6 Europe all at the same time?

  61. Because
    God is Spirit, not material.
    He manifested as a Mediterranean Jew ( Jesus Christ) because it was the Jews He chose and entered into a Covenant with.
    Did you actually read the verses?
    Did you read that Yachud blog article about Apartheidt??
    Don’t you remember anything from your days as a Catholic?

  62. Because
    God is Spirit, not material.
    He manifested as a Mediterranean Jew

    So the doctrine that we are all made in his image is flawed?

    Don’t you remember anything from your days as a Catholic?

    Of course I do.

  63. Then you should surely remember this…

    “God made human beings, as male and female, in his image and likeness (Genesis 1:26).
    The Catholic Church throughout her 2,000 years has come to understand and interpret
    what it means to be made in God’s image and likeness.
    1.
    Intellect
    . When God created us he gave us the ability to learn about things and
    understand them by the use of our intellects. A perfect example of this is the
    university. The university is our attempt to learn the truth about God, ourselves,
    and the world we live in. You see this in all the subjects of study: biology,
    chemistry, mathematics, physics, psychology, religion, pharmacy, and so forth.
    Our intellects are our guides for our lives. Unlike animals that live primarily by
    instinct (reflex action) humans live by learning, knowing, and understanding.
    [Ex. of ants and we don’t fault animals for their behavior.]
    2.
    Free will
    . We have the ability to choose between one action or another action,
    e.g. I want to be a nurse or I want to marry this particular person. We can choose
    a goal to work toward and choose the ways in which to achieve that goal.
    The opposite of freedom is slavery. A slave is ruled by another person and is
    denied the ability to choose his own daily activities, his occupation, and so forth.
    God gave us freedom to freely choose what
    is true and good, not what is false and
    evil. To choose what is false and evil is an abuse of freedom and contrary to our
    intelligent nature. The guide of our freedom is the truth.
    3.
    Self-determination
    . Thanks to our intellects and freedom, we are capable
    of determining our own lives. Pope John Paul the II wrote this about self-
    determination: “Giving man an intelligent and free nature, God wants each
    person to decide for himself his activities, so he/she will not be the blind
    tool of someone else” (Karol Wojtyla, Love and Responsibility, pg 27).
    4.
    Spiritual and immortal soul
    . Every person has an interior life. This is
    the interior life that no one has access to (except God), unless it is opened
    up to others. Our interior lives revolve around truth and goodness.
    Our spiritual nature is why we are not completely satisfied with the world
    we live in. One can have a good spouse, a great job, family and friends, a
    home, education, and more, yet in spite of all these goods, we hunger for
    something more.”

    http://www.catholicsociety.com/documents/other-documents/Image_and_Likeness_of_God.pdf

    I believe that too.

  64. ‘We are all made in God’s image’

    Image

    So, the doctrine’s flawed then?

  65. Paul,
    please read this carefully.
    I shall write it only once.

    God is Spirit.
    ie in essence He is incorporeal

    His image therefore is ???

    Not some fat little American lawyer, or Chinese Irish Spaniard living in or near a city where they train bulls to gore visitors…

  66. His image therefore is ???

    A Mediterranean Jew, a spirit?

    So we’re not all made in his image then?

  67. Are you Irish-Chinese ??

    Are you insane?

    You’re in his image, not an exact replica

    Okay Phantom I’ll bite for your semantics.

    ‘Made in his image’ doesn’t suggest a likeness?

  68. ” Are you insane?”

    And tell me Mr “Eversodecentopenheartedliberalmanoftheworld”,
    what’s wrong with being Irish-Chinese?

    And as we couldn’t afford a holiday this year, no I’m not.

  69. Spanish Turkey, Can’t translate it into Spanish, Eversodecentopenheartedliberalmanoftheworld

    Eh?

    what’s wrong with being Irish-Chinese?

    Apart from it being an exceptionally stupid question and curious as to the thought process behing it nothing.

  70. Phantom

    You’re in his image, not an exact replica

    How? Does He have two legs and arms etc?

    This never made sense to me. It was one of those things that my Sunday School teachers said but never explained. That and the 7th commandment! 🙂

  71. ” Apart from it being an exceptionally stupid question”
    ?

    Pot and kettle springs to mind.
    Especially from someone who claims a Catholic upbringing.

  72. ” Apart from it being an exceptionally stupid question”
    ?
    Pot and kettle springs to mind.
    Especially from someone who claims a Catholic upbringing

    Agi, you’re cryptology is getting rediculous so could you please say what you have on your mind directly and answer my questions on the image doctrine?

  73. No,
    I won’t Paul.
    After having found you a Catholic theological interpretation (which explains it very well imo)
    I might just as well stay tongue in cheek because I can’t believe you are
    a) dense.

    but I can believe you are
    b) being deliberately obtuse.

    🙂

  74. Allan
    I don’t think Colm does lying.

    Probably true, in which case he clearly didn’t understand my post of 11.01pm of 19th July. It was quite straight-forward and I thought well within his grasp, but it appears not.

  75. After having found you a Catholic theological interpretation which explains it very well imo

    Then, your opinion is flawed too

    IMAGE

    The word is said once in the introduction that you provide and then descendd into irrelevancies about Intellect, Free will, Self-determination & Spiritual and immortal soul.

    Now, my original comment was:

    Is the Christian doctrine that we are all made in God’s image not contradictory when viewed in terms of different races?

    Which was followed by:

    If we are all made in God’s image how can God look like someone from Africa, Aisia 6 Europe all at the same time?

    Now, putting those together a ten year old could deduce I’m speaking about physical likeness

    The fact that you’ve chosen to present some guff that in your opinion ‘explains it very well’ either means that you don’t understand or you’re avoiding the original question.

    So please, if you’d like to continue the debate let’s have less of the fauc tongue in cheekness and inane crytology and more direct talking?

  76. “I am judging those young Brits in Marmaris by standards considered old fashioned or laughable by many people today. Christian values”

    How many children did Jesus say you should have to propagate the white race?

    How many children did Jesus have to propagate his race?

    Are Christians extinct now because Jesus had no children?

  77. //That and the 7th commandment! //

    Aileen, you may be interested to know that Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox and Jews number the commandments differently.

    If you are referring to adultery, your 7th Commandment is really the 6th for Catholics. For us, the 7th is Thou shalt not steal, which is clear enough.

    You see, a lot of Protestant churches have the prohibition of graven images as the 2nd Commandment, whereas Catholics don’t have that one at all.
    But they make up the required 10 by splitting the coveting of neighbour’s wife and his goods (which I think is your 10th) into the 9th and 10th.

    Jews for their part – and they should know as they were there – have a kind of introduction as the 1st, and later squeeze some of the others into one to make up the 10.

  78. Go for it Frank!
    What has my defending Turkish Muslims’ right to peace and quiet in Marmaris got to do with birthrates – Jewish or Caucasian?

  79. ” So please, if you’d like to continue the debate let’s have less of the fauc tongue in cheekness and inane crytology and more direct talking?”

    I’ve lost interest Paul.

  80. I’ve lost interest Paul

    Well, I s’pose that’s one way of avoiding the question.

  81. Still going Aileen. I only gave it a miss one week and even then I did one day. Other than that I’ve even been able to keep to it pretty easily when abroad.

    Beyond the initial stages where I probably lost a stone, I haven’t lost weight since. However that’s probably because when they say you can eat whatever you like on non fasting days, I take them at their word 🙂

    Really does seem though that no matter what goodies you eat you’ll maintain the same weight on it.

    Occasionally it is a bit of a bore to do the fasting day but you can usually get by by telling yourself you can eat the next day. It’s also good that you can swap days if something comes up, e.g. You’re with friends who want to eat out etc.

  82. Frank

    Great! 🙂

    Have you noticed any other benefits? Probably hard to separate those that are not down to the actual weight loss.

    Whatshisname who did the TV programme had to limit himself to one day fasting a week as he was losing too much weight.

    I had hoped to start it when I retired but I have been so wiped out from flu bronchitis for a long time. I have a Vitamin D deficiency and an inner ear infection at the moment but hope to be ready to start in beginning of August. I presume Vit D tablets won’t be a break in the fast.

    I think that this sort of diet suits my temperament. I don’t do moderation. I find it far easier to eat nothing for a day than eat moderately. I also totally agree about the “next day” aspect. You are never more than 24 hrs away from eating whatever the hell you want and as much of it as you want.

    Do you do alternative days or are you on the 2:5 one? What do you eat typically on your “fast” day?

  83. Allan

    Expressing my views on your opinions is not a matter of lies or truth. It is simply my opinion. However if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

  84. Colm – what I wrote:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on July 19th, 2013 at 11:01 PM Said:

    Racism’ is simply putting one’s own people first in one’s own homeland whilst offering decent courtesies to temporary visitors from elsewhere. That is pretty much as I saw in India and China.

    What Colm wrote:

    I find such talk of ‘defending our race’ and regarding other races as inferior degrading, disgusting and shamefull, and while I know Allan is perfectly proud to identify himself in such a way,….

    In short, you’re making it up. And if my views represent truth, you are perfectly content to lie about it: that is shameful.

  85. Oh for God’s sake. What a blithering idiot!

    As if “racism is simply ….” was the only evidence Colm was basing his comment on. .

    And if my views represent truth, you are perfectly content to lie about it: that is shameful.

    LOL talk about lying! Unless of course he is so thick as to think

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

    means “if your views represent truth, I am perfectly content to lie about it”.

    He could very well be.

  86. Allan

    You have written a damn sight more than that, such as all your guff about white women ‘degrading’ their race by ‘breeding with inferior races’ and all the stuff about ‘violent races’ and such. Don’t come here with all this late founded claims aout offering decent courtesies.

  87. Racism’ is simply putting one’s own people first in one’s own homeland whilst offering decent courtesies to temporary visitors from elsewhere. That is pretty much as I saw in India and China

    But it’s not just that it is Allan?

    Isn’t it also the theory that one person is superior to another based purely on skin tone?

  88. Paul McMahon –

    “Isn’t it also the theory that one person is superior to another based purely on skin tone?”

    Might be, but racists don’t have to subscribe to everything which might be deemed racist.

    Even then, should someone always be criticised if they believe just skin tone makes someone superior to another?

  89. Even then, should someone always be criticised if they believe just skin tone makes someone superior to another?

    Well he certainly deserves criticism but whether there is any point in doing so may be a different matter.

    BTW Pete really surprised to see you doing the old PC but gramatically incorrect by using “they” instead of “he”. 😉

  90. Who said the do have to Pete.

    Even then, should someone always be criticised if they believe just skin tone makes someone superior to another?

    Yes, because it’s as illogical as saying people with green eyes are better at maths than people with blue eyes.

  91. Aileen – Genuine mistake.

    Paul McMahon – Someone should always be criticised for such a thing?

    A few weeks I posted a couple of links which show that Mahatma Gandhi believed such a thing. He thought that black Africans were virtually subhuman, and he also believed in preserving the purity of the races.

    Aileen looked at the links. She said it brought her up. No-one else commented. No-one else thought it was worthy of note. Either they prefer to block out reality in favour of the myths they’ve had soaked into their minds (which is a common trait), or they don’t really think such views are worth criticising, in which case all this criticism of Allan and me, for holding far milder views than Gandhi’s, is just blog posturing.

  92. A few weeks I posted a couple of links which show that Mahatma Gandhi believed such a thing. He thought that black Africans were virtually subhuman, and he also believed in preserving the purity of the races

    If he believed such things then he should be absolutely criticised for holding such views

  93. If he believed such things then he should be absolutely criticised for holding such views

    So Paul, you are saying that Gandhi is wrong to want India to be inhabited entirely by Indians? What about the Japanese who believe that Japan should be populated by none other than Japanese, likewise Koreans, Chinese etc. Would you tell them that they should import Africans because not to do so is ‘racist’?

    As for this primary school nonsense, I’ll deal with it word for word:

    You have written a damn sight more than that, such as all your guff about white women ‘degrading’ their race by ‘breeding with inferior races’ and all the stuff about ‘violent races’ and such. Don’t come here with all this late founded claims aout offering decent courtesies.

    Firstly, if you’re going to attempt to quote me, then quote me i.e. find the quote.

    White women who wish to co-habit with and even breed with the African should be aware of the propensity of that group to use violence. Then again, such women tend to be at the lower end of the social and intelligence rankings so, in my opinion, they wouldn’t take any notice of any warnings:

    http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

    African Americans, especially African American Women, suffer deadly violence from family members at rates decidedly higher than for other racial groups in the United States.

    Overall, African Americans were victimized by intimate partners a significantly higher rates than persons of any other race between 1993 and 1998

    The number one killer of African-American women ages 15 to 34 is homicide at the hands of a current or former intimate partner.

    Now Colm, do you really disagree with my assertion that blacks are significantly more violent than all other races?

  94. So Paul, you are saying that Gandhi is wrong to want India to be inhabited entirely by Indians? What about the Japanese who believe that Japan should be populated by none other than Japanese, likewise Koreans, Chinese etc. Would you tell them that they should import Africans because not to do so is ‘racist’?

    No, I’m saying he was wrong because, according to Pete, he He thought that black Africans were virtually subhuman, and he also believed in preserving the purity of the races.

    It’s wrong to think that someone is superior based on the tone of their skin. As I said above;

    It’s as illogical as saying people with green eyes are better at maths than people with blue eyes.

  95. Paul – Europeans (with white skins) are better at maths than Africans (with black skins). Do you disagree?

    Furthermore, when one mentions ‘purity of the races’, the only way that Indians in India would not remain as pure Indians is if other races were introduced to miscegenate with Indians. Therefore keeping other races out of India is something that Indians clearly wish to do and they don’t need some liberal whitey laden with Marxist BS telling them that they shouldn’t keep themselves as they are.

  96. Paul – Europeans (with white skins) are better at maths than Africans (with black skins). Do you disagree?

    I think it’s difficult to define the comparison between a continent with 739.2 million of a population and a continent with a population of 1.033 billion and decide A is better than B.

    It’s akin to saying that Arabs are better at algebra because its origins were in Mesopotamia or that all Jews are geniuses because of the example of Albert Einstein.

  97. No Paul, it’s quite simple. I make a comparison of white Europeans (average IQ – 100) with black Africans (average IQ to the south of 75) and I make a deduction that Europeans (whites) are better at mathematics than Africans (blacks).

    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

    1.The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

    The evident consequence of the above is that mathematics is applied in practice through engineering, and engineering has made Europe as it is, and the absence of a population capable of grasping mathematics and its practical consequences has made Africa as it is.

  98. So, I wonder how that comarison would translate between my example of people with blue, green & hazel eyes and would you then base your superiority theory on different eye colour?

  99. Paul – people with blue, green or hazel eyes are white European so your comparison doesn’t bear consideration. My comparison is based on fact, although you may feel free to dispute the fact.

  100. No? If why can do comparisons between different skin tone then why not different eye colour?

    Your comparison may be based on fact but the results of a comparison based on eyr colour would also be fact?

  101. Paul – the world chess champion has a skin tone slightly paler than that of sub-Saharan Africans, yet he’s not a sub-Saharan African. His great intelligence is not related to his skin tone but owes everything to his race, and it is race which determines the range of intelligence of those who are of that race. No African could ever become world chess champion but whites have been, an Indian is and an oriental could become so. The comparison of intelligence is not based on skin colour but on race. Taking eye colour as a comparison is irrelevant because the comparative groups would be from within the same race.

    http://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml

  102. “No African could ever become world chess champion”

    Completely untrue. No matter what you may think about the average range of intelligence between different races, it is completely false to state that an individual person of a particular race could never achieve a certain title. It is not the equivalent of trying to make a cat bark.

  103. //The comparison of intelligence is not based on skin colour //

    And intelligence is in turn not based on skill at chess.

    Otherwise the Russians would have won the Cold War.

  104. Completely untrue. No matter what you may think about the average range of intelligence between different races, it is completely false to state that an individual person of a particular race could never achieve a certain title. It is not the equivalent of trying to make a cat bark.

    It is more than merely untrue it is a gob smackingly idiotic comment. It is ironic that someone talking about intellectual superiority of whites, gives us all such a stark example of intellectual disadvantage of one (supposed) white male.

  105. Allan,

    The Romans had once the greatest most advanced civilisation in the world yet the disparity in infrastructure between northern Europe and the Mediterrainian Basin of southern Europe is notable. Most southern Europeans are brown or hazel eyed therefore is the eye colour comparison as a measure of intelligence not comparable?

    The abacus was used in parts of Aisia as a primitive form of calculator when the European was painting himself with woad. Is this fact also a comparison of different levels of intelligence between the different races?

    What you have done Allan is taken one element of many variables and used it in tandem with a number of other ‘theories’ from various blogs that you present as ‘evidence’ and cobbled them together to justify your beliefs in racial superiorty.

    Indeed, if your theory is correct then those pesky Jews that have acheived top positions in everything from artisanship to commerce in their effort to take over the globe must be the most intelligent people on Earth?

  106. No African could ever become world chess champion

    Aileen – do you have anything to support your opinion or does your arse always do your blogging for you? As you may see from above, I showed the list of the top 100 chess players and I noted that a) the current world champion is Indian b) there are no players of African descent in the list c) there has never been an African or descendant who has been world champion. I then based my opinion on that fact plus the undisputed fact that the average IQ of black Africans is some way lower than that of whites. This means that the high end for Africans and descendants EVERYWHERE will be substantially below that of the high end for other racial groups thus effectively ensuring that no African or descendant could have the brain-power to become world chess champion. Note specifically that it is not skin colour which is the determinant but race.

    At the moment, my assertion is true and will certainly remain so long after my demise. However I shall modify it to state that

    given the limitations of African intelligence, it is extremely unlikely that an African could ever become world chess champion

    As for Noel’s remark at 11.09am, the Soviets put a lot of effort into developing chess and that has ensured that the break-up states (Russia and Ukraine) continue to perform well. But if the western countries had made the same effort, the Soviets would have been challenged by more than Bobby Fischer alone. The world No. 1 is Norwegian.

    Paul – what year is this? Are we talking about things as they are now? Btw whose ‘racial superiority’ are we discussing? Be specific as I have no wish to impose any ‘superiority’ over anybody else in their own lands – I just want mine back. Tell me which components of the evidence which I presented to support my argument do you dispute? Be specific.

  107. do you have anything to support your opinion

    Just basic grounding in logic. Of course it should be no surprise that someone with very limited intellect would think it needed anything to back it up.

    Total idiot – “it is impossible for anyone to have three children called Eric, Patsy and Inez”
    Not total idiot -” no it isn’t”
    Total idiot – “do you have anything to support your opinion or does your arse always do your blogging for you”

    I showed the list of the top 100 chess players and I noted that a) the current world champion is Indian b) there are no players of African descent in the list c) there has never been an African or descendant who has been world champion. I then based my opinion on that fact plus the undisputed fact that the average IQ of black Africans is some way lower than that of whites. This means that the high end for Africans and descendants EVERYWHERE will be substantially below that of the high end for other racial groups thus effectively ensuring that no African or descendant could have the brain-power to become world chess champion. Note specifically that it is not skin colour which is the determinant but race.

    and as you seem to think that any of that means that no African could EVER become world chess champion shows your pathetic grasp of logic.

    At the moment, my assertion is true

    no it isn’t. It is illogical rubbish. It may be true that no African has yet become world chess champion but that is not your assertion.

    As to the modification

    Can that be that even with your limited intellect you realise that your comment was nonsense but at the same time think it is appropriate to attack me because pointed it out – or is it that you still think your nonsense is true

  108. Your basic grounding in logic, Aileen? Perhaps, but no higher than basic. Here’s some ‘logic’.

    I make a comparison of white Europeans (average IQ – 100) with black Africans (average IQ to the south of 75) and I make a deduction that Europeans (whites) are better at chess than Africans (blacks). Why chess? Chess is to the mind as the gym is to the body so it is logical to associate proficiency at chess with intelligence, especially at the upper end.

    1.The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Now if you disagree with the figures cited above, please show why.

    Note that the IQ figures are averages and that there is a distribution curve applied to all groups. The peak for the black curve(s) will not reach the peak for the white (and asian and oriental) curve and it is in this region that chess champions are found. This explains why no black (or African descendant) has been world chess champion, is in the top 100 chess rankings (although orientals and asians are heavily represented) or could ever be world chess champion.

    Now I’m a reasonable guy so I’ll word it any way that you wish. I could keep it as:

    No African could ever become world chess champion

    or I could word it as:

    given the limitations of African intelligence, it is extremely unlikely that an African could ever become world chess champion

    or any other way as long as it shows the clear difference in intelligence between whites (and orientals and asians) and blacks (Africans). But the first one is almost certainly true as there is no African alive today who has the necessary mental capacities to become world chess champion. How can there be as this is the reservoir:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png

  109. I have basic and more but basic is one needs to see the nonsense in your assertion.

    I make a comparison of white Europeans (average IQ – 100) with black Africans (average IQ to the south of 75) and I make a deduction that Europeans (whites) are better at chess than Africans (blacks). Why chess? Chess is to the mind as the gym is to the body so it is logical to associate proficiency at chess with intelligence, especially at the upper end.

    You made an assertion that No African could ever become world chess champion

    This explains why no black (or African descendant) has been world chess champion, is in the top 100 chess rankings (although orientals and asians are heavily represented) or could ever be world chess champion.

    It might explain it to you but you are not that bright.
    you are so lacking in intellect that you think

    No African could ever become world chess champion

    is the same thing as

    it is extremely unlikely that an African could ever become world chess champion

  110. Oh dear! Clearly block-quoting got the better of your “basic and more” logic.

  111. I had a pretty good idea that you would be stupid enough to consider a mistake in block quoting as a logic issue.

  112. Must give back my two MScs and my clearly my theorem in Applied Algebra must be bogus. Shame that the external examiner who was a world expert in Near Ring Theory didn’t point that out, but then he wasn’t an expert in block quoting.

  113. I had a pretty good idea that you would be stupid enough to consider a mistake in block quoting as a logic issue.

    🙂 And I’ll just cease being a Chartered Engineer.

    But I would like to return to this:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

    This was written by Colm but in my view he encapsulates the mindset of many on this site and in the western world generally. Suppose that my views are the truth taking, as an example, my technical opinion that the collapse of building 7 was a controlled demolition and that the time taken to prepare the building for demolition was so long as to mean that the others were controlled ‘top-down’ demolitions too. There is plenty of evidence to support my opinion but that’s not the point here. The point is that if I show it to the Colms of the world, will they be happier remaining in their matrix because being confronted by the reality of it is destructive of their artificial comfort zone?

  114. Colm is not alone. In fact, I’d wager that the majority of contributors to this site agree with him.

  115. Pete

    Not that revealing beyond revealing a distaste for that mind view.

    It’s on a par with saying “if that is wrong, I don’t want to be right”. It is based on it not being wrong but you want to distance yourself from it.

  116. Aileen –

    He said that he’d rather delude himself, and wrap himself in lies, deceit and comforting myths rather than accept truth. He’s not alone. Many people prefer the comfort blanket of myths and lies.

  117. Pete

    No. He doesn’t want that mindset.

    If I say that if the Bogside butcher’s version of what happened in NI is the truth, then I prefer to be a liar, I am not in anyway saying that I’d rather delude myself etc. It would be just a way of saying that his version is not the truth.

  118. Aileen –

    It’s on a par with saying “if that is wrong, I don’t want to be right”.

    Not correct. It’s on a par with saying “if that’s correct, I prefer to be wrong”. Have a look again:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

    The ‘mindset’ to which Colm and so many others are opposed is one which they find unpleasant owing to all the BS that they have been fed through school and now media etc. Here is something which Colm cannot face but you, being qualified to Masters level in a mathematical discipline should get it:

  119. Oh my God – So now Pete and Allan add psychological expertise to their racial bullshit. What utter garbage they engage in claiming to know the innermost sociological reasons behind my opinions, and all based on a throwaway comment of mine. Self appointed armchair experts. Utterly pathetic.

  120. Colm – neither Pete nor I would enter the contrived world of psychology, but we can both read, and what you wrote is:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

    Here’s an idea! Why don’t you tell us where we are wrong and what you really meant. There’s a good lad 🙂

  121. Allan

    The comment was a rhetorical device designed to encapsulate my opinion of your racial views. It was not meant to be a literal expression of my wish to tell lies.

  122. Paul – what year is this? Are we talking about things as they are now?

    We are talking about both then and now Allan. I speak abput then and now to demonstrate you taking one element of many variables and coupling it together with ‘evidence’ to present a thesis which suits your intelligence based on race theory.

    Btw whose ‘racial superiority’ are we discussing? Be specific as I have no wish to impose any ‘superiority’ over anybody else in their own lands – I just want mine back

    You’re not suggesting that intelligence can be calculated on skin tone?

  123. Oh please…it is clear to so many, even the most simple minded, that the phrase “I am Trayvon Martin” is an an attempt at solidarity and compassion. Some of us can identify with similar experiences/realities — “I am at risk of random aggression/disregard” …and sometimes,… “even from the police”.

  124. You’re not suggesting that intelligence can be calculated on skin tone?

    Paul – have you read the thread? I suggest you read my comment on July 21st, 2013 at 10:27. in which I mention the world chess champion. I’m sure that you agree that proficiency at chess has a good correlation to intelligence especially at the upper end.

    On the extinction of races, in this case, the white race, this is seriously twisted, genocidal stuff:

    Aileen, on July 20th, 2013 at 1:46 PM Said:

    I would qualify it by saying that it doesn’t matter a damn if any specific race survives as long as its demise (and we are talking about the demise of a race not killing people) occurs naturally…

    Millions of blacks and non-whites just migrated naturally into Europe: no aircraft were involved, they simply floated in on the wind. Hopefully Aileen will define her term “naturally” as I’d like to know how she expects my race to meet its end.

  125. Colm – genocide means the ending of a race, and if it’s by somehow ‘naturally’ importing millions of aliens to miscegenate the natives out of existence, then the native race is gone, never to return. That’s genocide, engineered to happen by a treasonous Establishment and encouraged by idiots who just don’t know any better.

    I’m quite amazed that phrases like this

    It does not matter a damn that the White/Black/Chinese etc. race survives.

    and this

    I would qualify it by saying that it doesn’t matter a damn if any specific race survives as long as its demise (and we are talking about the demise of a race not killing people) occurs naturally…

    can be put on here by people who consider themselves to be moderate.

    Here is an ‘extremist’ who states it as it is, and he’s black:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF41pcAY1OM

    Now Colm – bak to you. What did you mean by:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

    as you clearly object to those words being taken literally by Pete and me? Be specific as those words are going to become your albatross on this site if you’re not.

  126. Here’s genocide defined by the UN in 1948:

    http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

    Article 2
    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    I invoke Article 2, part c). That’s what’s being done deliberately to whites in Europe and North America through the mass importation of 3rd-worlders which has set the demographics of white births into terminal decline. The fact that many whites are OK about it compounds the genocidal intent.

  127. nd if it’s by somehow ‘naturally’ importing millions of aliens to miscegenate the natives out of existence, then the native race is gone, never to return. That’s genocide,

    No it isn’t

  128. his is seriously twisted, genocidal stuff:

    In the brain (or lack thereof) which thinks “no X can ever” means the same as “it is unlikely for a X to_

  129. (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    Is about destroying harvests, stopping access to water etc. It is about taking away those things needed for the continuance of life.

  130. Aileen – what did you mean by “naturally” as in demise of a race i.e. the white race which is the subject of our disussions? How do you see the white race ending “naturally”?

    And your ‘logic’ is seriously flawed:

    Allan@Aberdeen, on July 21st, 2013 at 9:04 PM Said:

    It’s on a par with saying “if that is wrong, I don’t want to be right”.

    Not correct. It’s on a par with saying “if that’s correct, I prefer to be wrong”. Have a look again:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

  131. (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    Is about destroying harvests, stopping access to water etc. It is about taking away those things needed for the continuance of life.

    Really – where does it say that?

    (Aileen logic)

    It says it right here:

    Aileen, on July 21st, 2013 at 11:23 PM Said:
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    Is about destroying harvests, stopping access to water etc. It is about taking away those things needed for the continuance of life.

    Amazing logic!!

  132. It is on a par with what I said it was. Is “on a par with” something else that you don’t understand the meaning of? (rhetorical question – there is no need whatsoever to answer)

    naturally – not genocide (as in the actual meaning of genocide not the mush in your head)

  133. No Aileen – you got it completely wrong, 180 degrees out. Let’s look again:

    It’s on a par with saying “if that is wrong, I don’t want to be right”.

    Not correct. It’s on a par with saying “if that’s correct, I prefer to be wrong”. Have a look again:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent

    Let’s go through it in a ‘logical’ manner:
    ‘Correct’ may be synonymous with ‘truth’. ‘Wrong’ may be synonymous with ‘false’ as in ‘lies’. ‘Correct’ can never be synonymous with ‘wrong’ nor can ‘right’ be synonymous with ‘lies’. That makes you wrong.

    Now, give me an example of the white race’s ‘natural’ demise i.e. how it would come about “naturally”? You advocate it so you must have an idea about how to bring about the end of my race “naturally”. Is it in a manner as suggested in the video of 11.04pm?

  134. “Allan’s 11:28 shows derangement.”
    Sadly, part of the derangement means he thinks he won.

  135. Aileen – give me an example of the white race’s ‘natural’ demise? How would it happen?

  136. You poor twerp

    Pity for your scenario that I didn’t say correct was synonymous with wrong or right with lies.

    Is advocate another word you don’t understand?

    I don’t think that you are intelligent to grasp the notion that as people of different races produce children with each other then over time the number of any non-mixed race decreases.

  137. Allan

    Regicide – to murder a king

    Suicide – To kill yourself

    Homicide – To kill another human being

    Genocide – To kill or seek to erase by killing an entire race of people.

    Immigration is not Genocide by any slightest tiniest feat of imagination.

  138. Btw whose ‘racial superiority’ are we discussing? Be specific as I have no wish to impose any ‘superiority’ over anybody else in their own lands

    Again, are you suggesting that intelligence can be calculated by skin tone?

    I suggest you read my comment on July 21st, 2013 at 10:27. in which I mention the world chess champion. I’m sure that you agree that proficiency at chess has a good correlation to intelligence especially at the upper end.

    No I don’t, it’s a good correlation of logical strategic thinking but not necessarily an indicator of intelligence

    On the extinction of races, in this case, the white race, this is seriously twisted, genocidal stuff

    Is that addressed to me? I’m not speaking on ‘extinction of races’ as the only people that I’m aware to have consciencely attempted extinction of other peoples were European / Turks.

  139. Aileen – you wrote:

    I would qualify it by saying that it doesn’t matter a damn if any specific race survives as long as its demise (and we are talking about the demise of a race not killing people) occurs naturally…

    The white race now numbers about 8% of the people on this planet as compared with 30% in 1900. How do you envisage the ‘natural’ end of the white race as happening? Is it related to your remark that

    I don’t think that you are intelligent to grasp the notion that as people of different races produce children with each other then over time the number of any non-mixed race decreases

    Did these different races come to Europe “naturally” (on the tide, wind etc.) or were there man-made elements to their arrival, such as aircraft, corruption, lax laws etc?

    Please be specific about the term ‘natural’.

  140. No I don’t, it’s a good correlation of logical strategic thinking but not necessarily an indicator of intelligence

    Paul – would you tell me why logical strategic thinking is not indicative of intelligence?

    Intelligence is not indicated by skin tone. Africans are insufficiently intelligent to industrialise whereas Indians are both dark-skinned and they have enough general intelligence to support industrialisation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png

  141. Paul – would you tell me why logical strategic thinking is not indicative of intelligence?

    I said: Not necessarily an indicator of intelligence – it’s a factor in that correlation

    If we use your logical startegic thinking as the factor in determining intelligence those Jews that are trying to take over the world by manouvering themselve into strategic global positions must surely be a super intelligent people then?

    Intelligence is not indicated by skin tone. Africans are insufficiently intelligent to industrialise whereas Indians are both dark-skinned and they have enough general intelligence to support industrialisation

    Other cultural, economic and historical variables don’t factor into the equation? The industrialisation of a nation is soley dependent on racial grounds?

  142. The white race now numbers about 8% of the people on this planet as compared with 30% in 1900

    I would imagine that was because of several centuries of white Europeans aggressively invading and ‘colonising’ poorer-developed countries, where the local indigenous population weren’t accounted for, or counted properly, by the authorities – ie the Whites.

    Or perhaps you are right, and the ‘White’ race have been systematically been wiped out, according to some heathen, non-white plan…

  143. Seimi

    You obviously haven’t been as clever as Pete and Allan to observe the real truth which the MSM has deliberately ignored. The FACT that millions of white people have been systematically slaughtered in their beds in recent decades by non-white Genocidists. I mean, you only have to look on the Internet to get the real truth 😉

  144. My logical strategic thinking? You wrote it, not me. But no, jews are not super-intelligent and Israel only has an average IQ of 94: good but not great. Jews simply pull for each other, an example being how Harvard entry is fixed by jews to favour jews:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4397187,00.html

    Israelis taking the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT) score lower grades than the global average, according to new figures regarding students who took the international standardized test required for master of business administration (MBA) studies from 2008 to 2012.

    And on:

    Other cultural, economic and historical variables don’t factor into the equation? The industrialisation of a nation is soley dependent on racial grounds?

    Racial? – you mean race-related intelligence in which case, yes. Whether a country is muslim, Christian or atheist, the single and sole determinant of its ability to industrialise is the intelligence of its people. Iran is fully industrialised, far more so than Pakistan (yet Pakistan has the Bomb?), China industrialises in the manner of Korea and Japan, but Africa fails ompletely. That’s related directly to the link at 12.29am which I suggest that you open to view.

  145. Colm – What did you mean by:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

    Aileen has failed to apply her great logic to it so it’s probably better coming from you.

  146. Allan

    You always rely on the crutch of linking to other websites. How can you prove that those sites haven’t invented the figures you quote from them ?

  147. “Allan logic- the holocaust wasn’t genocide but black people moving to Europe is.”

    About sums it up.

    Aileen:

    “Do you do alternative days or are you on the 2:5 one? What do you eat typically on your “fast” day?”

    The 2:5 one. I normally skip breakfast and dinner and have something like a chicken and rice dish for lunch. Other people I know doing it have small bits through the day. I find though skipping breakfast is pretty easy as lunch then just feels like a late breakfast, and sees you through til the evening where you just have a few hours where you feel a bit hungry, but it’s not that bad, and you kind of ‘go through it’.

    Oddly enough though you’d expect to be ravenous the next day (and you do tend to wake a bit earlier), I don’t usually feel that hungry the next day, nor do I feel that I have to have breakfast right away. Depending on what you have on the ‘in between’ days you can be quite hungry after the 2nd day though. You also need to drink more liquids on fast days as normally you’d get much of your water from food.

    A subway sandwich is also a handy one for one of the ‘fast’ days as you can usually find them even if you’re abroad and the calories are easy to work out.

  148. Allan

    I explained my use of that quote earlier. Do I really need to say it twice before your brain can understand my explanation.

  149. My logical strategic thinking? You wrote it, not me

    Would you tell me why logical strategic thinking is not indicative of intelligence?

    I’m pretty sure you wrote that?

    You mean race-related intelligence in which case, yes

    So to name a few poential contributory factors off the top of my head, natural disaster, tribalism, corruption, post colonialism and hundreds of different languages have nothing to do with it?

    Jews simply pull for each other

    So, mass conspiricies don’t require logical strategic thinking?

  150. if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent.

    Colm, on July 21st, 2013 at 9:26 PM Said:
    Allan

    The comment was a rhetorical device designed to encapsulate my opinion of your racial views. It was not meant to be a literal expression of my wish to tell lies.

    That nonsense doesn’t quite bear examination, does it, simply because you have failed to refute or even challenge any of my views at all – yet you have no problem with the demise of the white race? So, when truth is shown to be incompatible with what you’ve been told, you prefer to be wrong.

    You always rely on the crutch of linking to other websites.

    That ‘crutch’ is called supporting evidence. For example, Paul writes that jews must be super-intelligent so at 11.01am, I linked to an Israeli newspaper

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4397187,00.html

    Israelis taking the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT) score lower grades than the global average, according to new figures regarding students who took the international standardized test required for master of business administration (MBA) studies from 2008 to 2012.

    See that Colm – that’s evidence in support of my argument. To you, it’s a “crutch” but to me it’s supporting evidence. Perhaps you would wish to challenge the supporting evidence on this post or any other post? After all, it’s why this site exists.

  151. This sounds like a neurologists conference, with all the talk of brains.

  152. Paul – you used the phrase ‘logical strategic thinking’, not me. I simply repeated it back to you when I asked why you consider it not to be indicative of intelligence (I erroneously missed ‘necessarily’).

    Paul McMahon, on July 22nd, 2013 at 12:12 AM Said:

    No I don’t, it’s a good correlation of logical strategic thinking but not necessarily an indicator of intelligence

    So to name a few poential contributory factors off the top of my head, natural disaster, tribalism, corruption, post colonialism and hundreds of different languages have nothing to do with it?

    Hmmm… natural disaster – compare Japan with Haiti; tribalism – that correlates to primitivism so there’s Africa summed up; corruption – Russia and Israel top that league though both still function whilst Nigeria being similarly corrupt is backward in spite of its oil wealth; post-colonialism – meaning that Africa is in a worse mess than when whitey was there, and it will be interesting to watch how South Africa fials to feed itself once the white farmers are dead and departed; hundreds of different languages – as India shows, that’s what English is for.

    Here’s how jews pull for each other:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

    I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

    The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

    Btw, did you open the link of 12.29am?

  153. Allan

    You are not confident with expressing your own opinion, I understand that. I realise why you need to bolster your views by trawling the net for any statistical ‘evidence’ that appears to give credence to your prejudices.

  154. There’s nothing I wish to contribute to the subject matter of this thread at the moment, but, leaving the subject to one side and focusing solely on the debate between Aileen and Allan regarding the logic of Colm’s statement:

    if your views represent the truth I am much happier to be in the liars tent

    Aileen, I think that Allan is correct when he says that this statement is more accurately interpreted as

    if that’s correct, I prefer to be wrong

    than your interpretation

    It’s on a par with saying “if that is wrong, I don’t want to be right”

    Aileen, your sentence could be logically rephrased as “If that is wrong, I want to be wrong”, or equally, “If that’s correct, I want to be correct”. – The opposite of what Colm’s statement says, at least the way I read it.

    Knowing you to be the master of logic, Aileen, I’ll put it down to the adverse effects of this hot weather. But there’s a lesson in there for us logicians: I think that you disagree with Allan’s ulterior motives or preconceptions, but this doesn’t mean that his logic is wrong in this instance.

    …However, Allan, your mathematics is also unsound, when you assert that

    the IQ figures are averages and […] there is a distribution curve applied to all groups. The peak for the black curve(s) will [“therefore” – my word, not yours, but this is, I believe what you mean to imply] not reach the peak for the white (and asian and oriental) curve

    The differences between the AVERAGE IQs for two groups does not mean that the peak for the lower group cannot reach or exceed the peak for the higher group.

  155. Tom

    no Tom sorry
    I said it was

    on a par with

    …… and it was.
    I actually deliberately didn’t say “means the same as”.

    So someone coming up with a “more accurate interpretation” does not negate the truth of my assertion. I did not comment on the degree of fit of his alternative (in fact I didn’t give it brain room), as it was irrelevant.

    However

    If that is wrong, I want to be wrong”

    and

    If that is wrong I do not want to be right

    are basically the same apart from the latter allowing for the null/neutral state.

    You are right though that I am affected by the weather. I should have let his ramblings go without comment. I am putting the fact that I didn’t down to the weather.

    BTW nice to see you commenting. I am sending something to David later today and I’d be interested on your take on it.

  156. bugger those block quotes I’ll try again and hopefully someone will delete the above
    Tom
    no Tom sorry
    I said it was

    on a par with

    …… and it was.

    I actually deliberately didn’t say “means the same as” when I gave the example.
    So someone coming up with a “more accurate interpretation” does not negate the truth of my assertion. I did not comment on the degree of fit of his alternative (in fact I didn’t give it brain room), as it was irrelevant.

    However

    If that is wrong, I want to be wrong

    and

    If that is wrong I do not want to be right

    are basically the same apart from the latter allowing for the null/neutral state.

    In the wider context

    “if that is wrong then I don’t want to be right” when the “that” is something you are committed to.
    is on a par with
    “if that is right then I want to be wrong” when the “that” is something that is abhorant to you.

    One is a just a device to emphasise your commitment through using theoretical willingness to be on the usually undesirable side (wrong,).

    The other was just a device to emphasise your abhorrence through using theoretical willingness to be on the usually undesirable side (lying)

    You are right though that I am affected by the weather. I should have let his ramblings go without comment. I am putting the fact that I didn’t down to the weather.
    BTW nice to see you commenting. I am sending something to David later today and I’d be interested on your take on it.

    You are right though that I am badly affected by the weather. I should have let his ramblings go without comment. I am putting the fact that I didn’t down to the weather.
    BTW nice to see you commenting. I am sending something to David later today and I’d be interested on your take on it.

  157. Ross

    beautifully put as usual

    Frank

    Nearly missed your reply. You have given my motivation a bit boost. 🙂

  158. Tom – that would assume that the standard deviation for all racial groups is different and, in the case of black Africns, greatly wider. In order for the black distribution curve to have 2.5% of its population to have IQ above 100 i.e. 2 SDs above the 70 average, the lower end would have to be in the region of 40 – and 100 IQ is merely the white average noting that the top chess players score above 160. So, from an average of 70, in order to have 3SDs reaching say, 140, the lower end figure would be below 0.

    Aileen – you wrote:

    I would qualify it by saying that it doesn’t matter a damn if any specific race survives as long as its demise (and we are talking about the demise of a race not killing people) occurs naturally…

    How do you envisage the ‘natural’ end of the white race as happening? Is it related to your remark that

    I don’t think that you are intelligent to grasp the notion that as people of different races produce children with each other then over time the number of any non-mixed race decreases

    Did these different races come to Europe “naturally” (on the tide, wind etc.) or were there man-made elements to their arrival, such as aircraft, corruption, lax laws etc?

    Please be specific about the term ‘natural’.

  159. You used the phrase ‘logical strategic thinking’, not me. I simply repeated it back to you when I asked why you consider it not to be indicative of intelligence (I erroneously missed ‘necessarily’).

    (Sigh) Okay Allan, this is getting monotonous.

    Because taking that chess player and doing a comparitive analysis with a Pakistani, (who have the bomb), nuclear scientist would not be indicitive of the ‘one size fits all’ theory that you seem to embrace.

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