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The president who has mocked the wearing of masks, who has held major rallies against the advice of local health officials, has come down with Covid 19 himself.

Words fail.

This isn’t bad luck, any more than its bad luck when a speeder on icy roads loses control and hits a tree.

Get better, Mr President. We need you real healthy to watch the election returns on November 3.

We’ve had a failed national response to the virus, led by one who has been reckless with his own health, and with that of his own supporters, a comment made many times here since the Tulsa rally.

This news, right after the horrific performance at the debate, is a final railroad spike in the coffin of his re-election hopes.

Like the great Dandy Don Meredith used to sing when a football game became a rout, “ Turn out the lights, the party’s over “.

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28 thoughts on “Turn Out The Lights

  1. with Pence keeping shtumm over his test results,
    if +ve, we have the delicious prospect of 3rd in line Pelosi taking over
    or as is likely a constitutional crises – just to add to everything else in 2020
    Theses GOP Hicks haven’t got a hope !

  2. Is it possible that this diagnoses could result in a short time increase in his opinion poll ratings for sympathetic reasons – it happened similarly to Boris Johnson here when he had the virus, especially if the President becomes unwell for a while and then recovers.

    If however the campaign cannot continue but he is able to and wishes to resume it in a few weeks, can the election date be easily postponed or is that constitutionally impossible ?

  3. //Is it possible that this diagnoses could result in a short time increase in his opinion poll ratings//

    Yes, if he is seen to face up to it with courage and then beat it. Imagine the bragging then!

    This could also be bad news for Biden in other ways:

    Trump declares he has to stay in quarantine which will enable him to avoid another direct encounter with Biden, so the next debate will have to be linked to the Oval office. That will in itself give him an advantage; but will also allow his handlers be, like the Proud Boys, on stand by and close by, so they can give him facts and figures to answer difficult questions.

    What happens if he kicks the bucket? Pence might step in and beat an ageing Biden.

    Meanwhile, if anyone wants to make a quick buck, buy shares in Clorox NOW while all the president’s fans are rushing out to buy the bleach to send to the White House with love.

    // can the election date be easily postponed or is that constitutionally impossible ?//

    Whatever about that, his term of office automatically expires at noon on 20th January.

  4. I read a long NYT piece on this this morning which seemed certain this would be a disaster for Trump and mused what would happen if he dies.

    I tend to agree with Colm and Noel. I can see this working in Trump’s favour, but it’s difficult to know for sure. An interesting few weeks ahead.

  5. Buy shares in Clorox NOW while all the president’s fans are rushing out to buy the bleach to send to the White House with love.

    I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if this were a publicity stunt. If it is legit then I imagine that Hope Hicks, who tested positive prior to this, has already left via the Trump staff revolving door.

    BTW, has anyone came across this bizarre story?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/kayleigh-mcenany-white-house-press-sec-ballot-river-b743232.html

  6. There wasn’t much of a bump for Boris after his own diagnosis. In the week or two before he got the Tories got a boost (a sort of rally to the flag thing). In the month after his diagnosis however the polls stayed remarkably stable. Tories were averaging 51% in the polls before Boris got COVID-19 and were averaging 51% in the polls after Boris got COVID-19.

    Now the obvious caveat is that Boris got a huge outpouring of sympathy at a time when the Tories were already riding very high in the polls. So he maybe would have got a sympathy boost in the polls if they hadn’t already be doing so well. The Donald is doing very badly in the polls. So the two scenarios are not the same, and the public reaction may be different.

    “What happens if he kicks the bucket? Pence might step in and beat an ageing Biden.”

    Now if The Donald were to develop a servere infection and die then likely date of death would be in a few weeks (before the election). Each state has its own election laws but as far as I am aware the deadline for registration on the ballot in each state is either in August or September. Likely speaking should The Donald kick the bucket then he couldn’t be replaced (though the matter would likely end up being litigated). That is where it gets messy. The most likely scenario is that The Donald would remain on the ballot, and should he win then standard Presidential succession would be in place. It would create a situation where Mike Pence would be both the President and the Vice-President-elect. And on inauguration day would be inaugurated as the Vice President before succeeding to the Presidency due to a vacancy. Thus would be Vice President and President twice.

  7. He did it to himself by pure carelessness, while he mocked the prudent.

    Anything can happen in these polarized, crazy times, but if this helps him, I will be surprised.

    The bullshitting leaders of the biggest English speaking nations have Covided themselves, as their countries have had among the poorest results on this

  8. Seamus, Do we not vote for a ticket of a president and vice-president? If Trump dies, would not his votes go to Pence?

  9. Why couldn’t a dead Donald be elected?

    Where in the Constitution does it say that the presidential candidate must be living?

    Besides there is precedent for electing the dead to office here

    https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/26281/4-dead-politicians-who-still-got-elected

    Charles

    Yes, it would be common sense that if elected in such circumstances, that we would have a President Pence. I can’t imagine any other outcome

    But what if both candidates were to die, both President and VP? That’s never an impossibility, and that one might be tricky

    Donald was on Hannity last night and he sounded good. Other that the idiot comments about him winning the debate, really

  10. saw it paul, she couldn’t name the river, an won goal there by the press sec

    Only want Pelosi to take charge for a couple of weeks just to hear the GOP howls 😉
    do they have to refer to her as POTUS in the scenario where she is de facto leader of USA
    lol

  11. “Seamus, Do we not vote for a ticket of a president and vice-president? If Trump dies, would not his votes go to Pence?”

    You do vote for a ticket. But that ticket is explicit. Donald Trump is the Presidential candidate, Mike Pence is the Vice Presidential candidate. I’m not sure this late in the game that that can be changed. So on election day people will be voting for President candidate Trump and Vice President candidate Pence. Now if they win and the Electoral College vote for Trump (not a given as I’ll explain below) then Pence will take office as President under normal succession rules. But at no point, as far as I am aware, could Mike Pence be the Republican nominee for President in the 2020 election.

    “Why couldn’t a dead Donald be elected?”

    Honestly he can be. Now he can’t take office but he could be elected. And things could get very tricky with the electoral college. Now most States force an elector to vote for the winnner of the State election. So if Donald Trump is the Presidential candidate then most States that he will win will force, by law, electors to vote for Donald Trump (and Mike Pence for Vice President). However, especially in a tight election, if a few electors in States that don’t require it vote for Mike Pence (and a different Vice President) then you could have a situation where there the combination of Donald Trump and Mike Pence would have enough Electoral Votes to win but neither individually would. Thus it would result in a contingent election.

  12. Phantom, on October 2nd, 2020 at 12:06 PM Said:
    He did it to himself by pure carelessness, while he mocked the prudent.

    Undoubtedly true. During the debate he mocked Biden (in the high risk category due to age) for wearing a mask ‘all the time’ and ‘the biggest mask ever’. This is schoolyard level stuff.

  13. Phantom.

    I’ve not seen that trump video before, that’s truly disgusting. What a f****** child.

    That being said, I genuinely hope Trump recovers from covid.

  14. //That being said, I genuinely hope Trump recovers from covid.//

    I too wish the President the best, but for a man his age, I fear the worst. The mockery and jeers that are coming from the left are going to be hurtful, but I think are going to backfire at the voting booth.

  15. “The mockery and jeers that are coming from the left are going to be hurtful, but I think are going to backfire at the voting booth.”

    Didn’t seem to bother Trump voters in 2016.

  16. I haven’t read the thread but I will…… I just have to ask though Phantom you banged this out before 6am this morning…… did you jump to your keyboard to gloat the instant you heard the news, or did you twist and turn all night waiting to gloat?

  17. I show admirable sympathy for Mr Trump

    The same as he displayed to Hillary, John McCain, to the handicapped NY Times reporter

    I want him to be as healthy as a horse to watch all the results come in one month from now

  18. I don’t think Trump is going to become ill with this. I have nothing to base that on. But I think huge numbers of people are able to have this virus without becoming ill of all ages, its just that they don’t usually get tested and don’t know they had it.

  19. Patrick

    Do you think that it has been a good idea for Trump to have held these large rallies where few have been wearing masks?

    Was it a good policy for him to rarely wear masks, and for him not to strongly encourage their use by others?

    This is not bad luck. This is the result of his actions.

    Actions that were criticized by many of us here for a long time

  20. Colm

    I suspect that will be the case

    He seems in good health generally

    But he looks like such a complete fool now, even more than before

  21. The famous October Surprise.

    //Besides there is precedent for electing the dead to office here//

    🙂

    Just last week a candidate for mayor of some town in Rumania died and was subsequently elected.
    But then again, that’s the country of the undead where they sometimes drive a stake into a corpse and things like that.

    Thanks, Seamus, your command of detail is uncanny. Is there any precedent for a candidate becoming permanently incapacitated or seriously ill after nominations were closed, anyone know?

    Also, Seamus, Biden’s lead has been very steady since June, consistently at 6 to 9 points. Does that mean, do you think, that most people have made up their minds, and all all these issues like conduct at debates, tax returns etc. aren’t making any difference any more?

  22. “Is there any precedent for a candidate becoming permanently incapacitated or seriously ill after nominations were closed, anyone know?”

    The closest that I can think of was in 1912. The Vice President, James S. Sherman, died a few days before the election. Now the thinking was at the time was that if President William Howard Taft was re-elected then he would ask the electoral college to elect a different running mate, Nicholas Butler. It ended up being relatively pointless because Taft came in third place (I think the last time a Republican or Democrat didn’t finish in the top 2). So there isn’t a lot of precdent in terms of Presidential elections.

    In other elections it has happened. In 2000 Governor Mel Carnahan was elected as Senator for Missouri despite the fact that he died a month before the election. The precedent is the ballot remains as it is. And the system will deal with any fallout of a dead winner after it. Dead Presidents can be replaced. Dead Senators can be replaced. There are systems for it. So if a dead man is election President then the normal system will kick in to replace a dead President.

    “Also, Seamus, Biden’s lead has been very steady since June, consistently at 6 to 9 points. Does that mean, do you think, that most people have made up their minds, and all all these issues like conduct at debates, tax returns etc. aren’t making any difference any more?”

    I think it shows that Trump’s campaigning hasn’t been effective. I think there was a lot of undecideds in 2016 (a lot of people who didn’t like any of the candidates). So the race was more volatile. But Trump was very effective in 2016 (he pretty much couldn’t win but still won). He has been far less effective in 2020. In 2016 he identified the voters he needed to win, had a strategy to get them, and executed it flawlessly. In 2020 it seems he has struggled to get through to the voters he needs to win.

  23. The debate performance and now this revelation show utter incompetence, which won’t help bring in any new supporters

  24. eight presidents have died in office: four were assassinated, and four died of natural causes

  25. “eight presidents have died in office: four were assassinated, and four died of natural causes”

    Yes and seven of the eight were the Presidents elected in 1840, 1860, 1880, 1900, 1920, 1940 and 1960. The Presidents elected in 1980 and 2000 both survived major assasination attempts. Who wants to win in 2020?

  26. //seven of the eight were the Presidents elected in 1840, 1860, 1880, 1900, 1920, 1940 and 1960. The Presidents elected in 1980 and 2000 both survived major assasination attempts. Who wants to win in 2020?//

    Hmmmm, Vice President Harris?

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